Snowbirds.....

[Canuck[_2_]]

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Wouldn't it be great if they didn't mothball the CF-18's and gave a few of
them to the Snowbirds? I know it would cost a few bucks...but...it is time
to retire those Tutors.

Nick

[Jon Anderson]

Canuck wrote:

> Wouldn't it be great if they didn't mothball the CF-18's and gave a few
> of them to the Snowbirds? I know it would cost a few bucks...but...it is
> time to retire those Tutors.

Don't know about that. I saw them at the Reno Air Races some
years ago, and the lack of speed and noise was rather
refreshing. The slow and graceful maneuvers were
spectacular, I think the best aerial routine I've ever seen.
I was off the airport property, a narrow strip of land along
what I think was the north boundary. Standing in line with
the runway, the Snowbirds would come swooping down in
formation, low and slow enough I could clearly see the
pilots. The Thunderbirds were fast and noisy and took a lot
of airspace turning around to come back for the next pass,
during which they were more or less out of sight. Everything
the Snowbirds did was right there, up close and personal.
Someday they'll have to move on, I know, and I really think
something will be lost in that move.

Just my opinion of course....

Jon

[Canuck[_2_]]

"Jon Anderson" > wrote in message
...
> Canuck wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't it be great if they didn't mothball the CF-18's and gave a few
>> of them to the Snowbirds? I know it would cost a few bucks...but...it is
>> time to retire those Tutors.
>
> Don't know about that. I saw them at the Reno Air Races some years ago,
> and the lack of speed and noise was rather refreshing. The slow and
> graceful maneuvers were spectacular, I think the best aerial routine I've
> ever seen.
> I was off the airport property, a narrow strip of land along what I think
> was the north boundary. Standing in line with the runway, the Snowbirds
> would come swooping down in formation, low and slow enough I could clearly
> see the pilots. The Thunderbirds were fast and noisy and took a lot of
> airspace turning around to come back for the next pass, during which they
> were more or less out of sight. Everything the Snowbirds did was right
> there, up close and personal. Someday they'll have to move on, I know, and
> I really think something will be lost in that move.
>
> Just my opinion of course....
>
> Jon

I've seen the Snowbirds several times and they never fail to impress.
Unfortunately, the Tutors are way too old and nobody else uses them any
more. To me, it would make sense to give them some of the CF-18s that have
been mothballed. Why should they collect dust when they could be put to good
use?

Nick

[Bill & Ange]

The only other country that used them was Belguim, and they retired them
quite some time ago. There are still a number in storage at CFB Mountain
View just for the team. It seems the current aircraft that they would go to
is the BAe Hawk. The same type the Red Arrows currently use.

"Canuck" > wrote in message
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> "Jon Anderson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Canuck wrote:
>>
>>> Wouldn't it be great if they didn't mothball the CF-18's and gave a few
>>> of them to the Snowbirds? I know it would cost a few bucks...but...it is
>>> time to retire those Tutors.
>>
>> Don't know about that. I saw them at the Reno Air Races some years ago,
>> and the lack of speed and noise was rather refreshing. The slow and
>> graceful maneuvers were spectacular, I think the best aerial routine I've
>> ever seen.
>> I was off the airport property, a narrow strip of land along what I think
>> was the north boundary. Standing in line with the runway, the Snowbirds
>> would come swooping down in formation, low and slow enough I could
>> clearly see the pilots. The Thunderbirds were fast and noisy and took a
>> lot of airspace turning around to come back for the next pass, during
>> which they were more or less out of sight. Everything the Snowbirds did
>> was right there, up close and personal. Someday they'll have to move on,
>> I know, and I really think something will be lost in that move.
>>
>> Just my opinion of course....
>>
>> Jon
>
> I've seen the Snowbirds several times and they never fail to impress.
> Unfortunately, the Tutors are way too old and nobody else uses them any
> more. To me, it would make sense to give them some of the CF-18s that have
> been mothballed. Why should they collect dust when they could be put to
> good use?
>
> Nick
>


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[Canuck[_2_]]

"Bill & Ange" > wrote in message
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> The only other country that used them was Belguim, and they retired them
> quite some time ago. There are still a number in storage at CFB Mountain
> View just for the team. It seems the current aircraft that they would go
> to is the BAe Hawk. The same type the Red Arrows currently use.

The Hawk would be a great replacement as well. It is quite a nice aircraft
and the Red Arrows put on quite a display with it.

Nick

[Maple1]

Not True the other user Malaysia

Belgium used the CF-100


Bill & Ange wrote:
> The only other country that used them was Belguim, and they retired them
> quite some time ago. There are still a number in storage at CFB Mountain

[Bill & Ange]

whoops, sorry wrong country. got the planes mixed up...

"Maple1" > wrote in message
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> Not True the other user Malaysia
>
> Belgium used the CF-100
>
>
> Bill & Ange wrote:
>> The only other country that used them was Belguim, and they retired them
>> quite some time ago. There are still a number in storage at CFB Mountain
>


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[Bob Harrington]

Jon Anderson > wrote in
:

> Canuck wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't it be great if they didn't mothball the CF-18's and gave a
>> few of them to the Snowbirds? I know it would cost a few
>> bucks...but...it is time to retire those Tutors.
>
> Don't know about that. I saw them at the Reno Air Races some
> years ago, and the lack of speed and noise was rather
> refreshing. The slow and graceful maneuvers were
> spectacular, I think the best aerial routine I've ever seen.
> I was off the airport property, a narrow strip of land along
> what I think was the north boundary. Standing in line with
> the runway, the Snowbirds would come swooping down in
> formation, low and slow enough I could clearly see the
> pilots. The Thunderbirds were fast and noisy and took a lot
> of airspace turning around to come back for the next pass,
> during which they were more or less out of sight. Everything
> the Snowbirds did was right there, up close and personal.
> Someday they'll have to move on, I know, and I really think
> something will be lost in that move.
>
> Just my opinion of course....
>
> Jon

I vote they put the Tutor back into production just to keep 431 Sq in
business. Grace, beauty - and humor - have always been the greatest
strengths of the Snowbirds.

Bob ^,,^

[Bob Harrington]

"Bill & Ange" > wrote in
:

> The only other country that used them was Belguim, and they retired
> them quite some time ago. There are still a number in storage at CFB
> Mountain View just for the team. It seems the current aircraft that
> they would go to is the BAe Hawk. The same type the Red Arrows
> currently use.

That might be a fair compromuse. I've never had the pleasure of seeing the
RedArrows in person, but photos show they are every bit as clever as the
Snowbirds. The Royal Saudi Air Force also has a Hawk equipped demo team.

We have a privately owned Tutor here in Washington State.

Bob ^,,^

[Dave Whiley]

Canuck wrote:
>
> I've seen the Snowbirds several times and they never fail to impress.
> Unfortunately, the Tutors are way too old and nobody else uses them any
> more. To me, it would make sense to give them some of the CF-18s that
> have been mothballed. Why should they collect dust when they could be
> put to good use?

Although, what does make the better platform for a formation aerobatic
display? A fighter or a trainer?

Fighters look more impressive on a largely straight run in tight
formation because of their higher speed. On the other hand, a trainer
can make a tighter turn for the same g-loading at a lower speed, so
that's going to look better in a display with a lot of turning and
formation changing.

For me, the most important feature of a replacement would be air-to-air
refuelling capability, so that they could pop across the Atlantic for a
week or three!

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Dave

not-me should be djw001 and there's no need for any wossname