Pirat transition

[Ian]

Folks,

Has anyone out there successfully transitioned a Pirat from BGA to
EASA? If there is, please get in touch - there are a couple of
questions I really need to ask.

Ian

[Martin Gregorie[_4_]]

On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:07:11 -0700, Ian wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Has anyone out there successfully transitioned a Pirat from BGA to EASA?
> If there is, please get in touch - there are a couple of questions I
> really need to ask.
>
If you don't get any other answers, give Milfield a ring. The club has
one, but I don't know if its been transitioned.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[Ian]

On 5 Sep, 01:25, Martin Gregorie >
wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:07:11 -0700, Ian wrote:
> > Folks,
>
> > Has anyone out there successfully transitioned a Pirat from BGA to EASA?
> > If there is, please get in touch - there are a couple of questions I
> > really need to ask.
>
> If you don't get any other answers, give Milfield a ring. The club has
> one, but I don't know if its been transitioned.

It hasn't - they've got the same questions as I have. Mine was "the
other one" there for years ...

Ian

[Martyn Johnson]

Ian,

You may have done this already....

Go here:

http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=summary&aircrafttype=pirat

There are 18 transitioned Pirats listed.

Click on the registration to get the name and address of the owner of each
one.

Write a letter to a few of them, asking your questions.

Regards

Martyn Johnson


At 20:07 04 September 2008, Ian wrote:
>Folks,
>
>Has anyone out there successfully transitioned a Pirat from BGA to
>EASA? If there is, please get in touch - there are a couple of
>questions I really need to ask.
>
>Ian
>

[Ian]

On 5 Sep, 09:08, Martyn Johnson >
wrote:

> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mo...
>
> There are 18 transitioned Pirats listed.
>
> Click on the registration to get the name and address of the owner of each
> one.
>
> Write a letter to a few of them, asking your questions.

Spiffing!

Ian

[Ian]

On 5 Sep, 09:08, Martyn Johnson >
wrote:

> There are 18 transitioned Pirats listed.

Ah-ha. There are certainly 18 Pirats listed as registered, but that
doesn't mean they have transitioned - and none of them has a "C of A"
type recorded. Mind you, neither do any other gliders I have checked,
like the Portmoak fleet, so it seems they may be a little behind on
that.

The Borders GC one (CKD) is there, and certainly hasn't transitioned.

Ian

[Martyn Johnson]

Ian,

Since we're right at the end of the transition year, I'd be very
surprised if most of them hadn't been done.

Cheers,

Martyn

At 08:44 05 September 2008, Ian wrote:
>On 5 Sep, 09:08, Martyn Johnson
>wrote:
>
>> There are 18 transitioned Pirats listed.
>
>Ah-ha. There are certainly 18 Pirats listed as registered, but that
>doesn't mean they have transitioned - and none of them has a "C of A"
>type recorded. Mind you, neither do any other gliders I have checked,
>like the Portmoak fleet, so it seems they may be a little behind on
>that.
>
>The Borders GC one (CKD) is there, and certainly hasn't transitioned.
>
>Ian
>
>

[Martyn Johnson]

Ian,

Since we're right at the end of the transition year, I'd be very
surprised if most of them hadn't been done.

Cheers,

Martyn

At 08:44 05 September 2008, Ian wrote:
>On 5 Sep, 09:08, Martyn Johnson
>wrote:
>
>> There are 18 transitioned Pirats listed.
>
>Ah-ha. There are certainly 18 Pirats listed as registered, but that
>doesn't mean they have transitioned - and none of them has a "C of A"
>type recorded. Mind you, neither do any other gliders I have checked,
>like the Portmoak fleet, so it seems they may be a little behind on
>that.
>
>The Borders GC one (CKD) is there, and certainly hasn't transitioned.
>
>Ian
>
>

[Ian]

On 5 Sep, 15:23, Martyn Johnson >
wrote:

> Since we're right at the end of the transition year, I'd be very
> surprised if most of them hadn't been done.

You'd be surprised. I know about five: three are in progress and two
have abandoned the attempt.

I wonder what arrangements will pertain after 28th September. I know
that it's officially only until then, but ...

Ian

[Martin Gregorie[_4_]]

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:08:45 +0000, Martyn Johnson wrote:

> Since we're right at the end of the transition year, I'd be very
> surprised if most of them hadn't been done.
>
The whole sorry mess is still very much a work in progress.

My Std Libelle's paperwork was submitted in March and is still marked IP,
i.e. still at the BGA. At least somebody had the sense to extend the
temporary CofA to the full year, but I'm not taking bets on whether the
transition will be complete before it expires.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[Cats]

On Sep 6, 1:43*am, Martin Gregorie
> wrote:
<snip>
>
> My Std Libelle's paperwork was submitted in March and is still marked IP,
> i.e. still at the BGA.

I can beat that and I'm sure plenty of others can. Mine was submitted
in January and is marked IP...

<snip>

[Martyn Johnson]

The EASA transition is undoubtedly somewhat becalmed, but underlying it all
is a requirement to check a glider's current state and produce a proper
audit trail of all work required and done historically. I assume the
original questions Ian wanted answering related to that. We are at the end
of that 1 year process.

The very fact that any of us has a C of A back from the BGA (of whatever
flavour) means that our inspector is happy and the BGA are happy.

What the BGA calls this on a spreadsheet, and whether the documentation
has been sent to the CAA, is not hugely relevant to me. I really can't
see the CAA bouncing many back to the BGA.

Or am I naive?

Cheers

Martyn


At 07:55 06 September 2008, Cats wrote:
>On Sep 6, 1:43=A0am, Martin Gregorie
> wrote:
>
>>
>> My Std Libelle's paperwork was submitted in March and is still marked
>IP,
>> i.e. still at the BGA.
>
>I can beat that and I'm sure plenty of others can. Mine was submitted
>in January and is marked IP...
>
>
>

[Ian]

On 6 Sep, 11:23, Martyn Johnson >
wrote:
> The EASA transition is undoubtedly somewhat becalmed, but underlying it all
> is a requirement to check a glider's current state and produce a proper
> audit trail of all work required and done historically. I assume the
> original questions Ian wanted answering related to that. We are at the end
> of that 1 year process.
>
> The very fact that any of us has a C of A back from the BGA (of whatever
> flavour) means that our inspector is happy and the BGA are happy.
>
> What the BGA calls this on a spreadsheet, and whether the documentation
> has been sent to the CAA, is not hugely relevant to me. I really can't
> see the CAA bouncing many back to the BGA.

I think the problem is that the whole process hasn't been thought
through to conclusion. As I understand it, nobody has an EASA C of A
yet, no arrangements have been decided for how they will be renewed
(BGA inspectors are not qualified, yet, to do CAA annual inspections)
and maintenence procedures are a complete unknown.

Ian