Heathrow crash

[Andy Hawkins]

Hi,

See the report into the Heathrow crash has concluded it was 'probably' fuel
line icing? Seems a bit vague to me, slightly worrying a definite cause
couldn't be found.

Interested in what the big iron drivers on here thought?

Cheers

Andy

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Andy Hawkins > wrote in
:

> Hi,
>
> See the report into the Heathrow crash has concluded it was 'probably'
> fuel line icing? Seems a bit vague to me, slightly worrying a definite
> cause couldn't be found.


Well, the evidence would have melted away.
>
> Interested in what the big iron drivers on here thought?

I've heard a lot of talk about this accident. this isn't the only 777
that has had thrust issues on approach after a long flight, but it's the
only one who had both wind down at the same time.
I've heard today that the report came out but I can't find it on the
net. I'd be able to comment more fully if I had it to read.

It isn't exactly fuel icing, but what's called waxing. The fuel gets
very gooey near it's freezing point and doesn't flow so good when it
gets into this state. A typical freezing point for fuel is around -39C
and we have a temp gauge to tell us what the temp is in at least one of
the wing tanks.
Long flights in temps of as low as -70C can get the fuel that cold.
Actually, the total temp including skin friction would be about 25
degrees higher than that.
The main lines of defence, mechanically, at least, are that the
hydraulic system radiators are in the fuel tanks. This keeps the
hydraulics form cooking and also warms up the fuel a bit, and the engine
oil is cooled by fuel through a heat exchanger.
Older airplanes, like the older 737s and 727s, had fuel heat. This used
bleed air for short periods of time, usually 30 seconds, and heated up
the fuel in a big way. It had a failing in that if it got stuck on you
had to shut down the engine. That happened to me twice in 727s, but it's
no big deal and the shutdown is precautionary.
For some reason they don't install the bleed air fuel heat on modern
airplanes. I have no idea why, but it would definitely have saved that
BA airplane. I wouldn't be surprised to find they're considering putting
it back in.
The BA flight was polar and very long, so the temps would have been very
low. The crew would have certainly been monitoring the temps. they have
**** all else to do on a long flight like that anyway, and if the temps
were getting low, they would have probably requested a lower altitude,
and/or increased the cruise speed to increase the TAT (total air temp)




Bertie

[Lonnie[_3_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>

Power snip->

You can almost say more and explain less than your brother Dudley.

But I'm sure you will keep trying.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>
> Power snip->
>
> You can almost say more and explain less than your brother Dudley.


Well, obviously al above your head, but then making a paper airplane also
falls into that category.
>
> But I'm sure you will keep trying



Yep.


Forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and
ever.


Bertie

[Andy Hawkins]

Hi,

In article >,
Bertie the > wrote:
> Well, the evidence would have melted away.

:) Good point!

> I've heard today that the report came out but I can't find it on the
> net. I'd be able to comment more fully if I had it to read.

It's still just another interim report I understand.

http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/cms_resources/G-YMMM%20Interim%20Report.pdf

[snip interesting stuff]

Thanks for that, always interesting to read about possible causes of things
like this and whether any lessons can be learned. As you say, odd that
there's no way of 'warming' the fuel should it become necessary.

Cheers

Andy

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Andy Hawkins > wrote in
:

> Hi,
>
> In article >,
> Bertie the > wrote:
>> Well, the evidence would have melted away.
>
>:) Good point!
>
>> I've heard today that the report came out but I can't find it on the
>> net. I'd be able to comment more fully if I had it to read.
>
> It's still just another interim report I understand.
>
> http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/cms_resources/G-YMMM%20Interim%20Report.pdf
>
> [snip interesting stuff]
>
> Thanks for that, always interesting to read about possible causes of
> things like this and whether any lessons can be learned. As you say,
> odd that there's no way of 'warming' the fuel should it become
> necessary.
>

Yeah, I found mainstream news reports on it after I posted that. They
seem to be insisting it wasn't waxing, but actual ice in the fuel, which
would be a very rare event. i have had it happen to me using Avgas. When
100LL came out first it had a habit of keeping water in suspension. I
nearly came to grief, in fact, as did many others. that problem was
solved with 100LL AFAIK, though. When I heard about the accident first I
thought it might have been duff fuel they got in China, bu tI see no
finger pointing in that direction. in some parts of the world the fuel
is still pretty crude, being fairly wide cut. The engines sem to digest
it with no problem, but fire hazards while fueling are greatly increased
by them and I've often wondered if there are other risks. i have no idea
what they refueled with in China or how carefully the fuel's quality is
looked after.


Bertie

[Andy Hawkins]

Hi,

In article >,
Bertie the > wrote:
> Yeah, I found mainstream news reports on it after I posted that. They
> seem to be insisting it wasn't waxing, but actual ice in the fuel, which
> would be a very rare event. i have had it happen to me using Avgas. When
> 100LL came out first it had a habit of keeping water in suspension. I
> nearly came to grief, in fact, as did many others. that problem was
> solved with 100LL AFAIK, though. When I heard about the accident first I
> thought it might have been duff fuel they got in China, bu tI see no
> finger pointing in that direction. in some parts of the world the fuel
> is still pretty crude, being fairly wide cut. The engines sem to digest
> it with no problem, but fire hazards while fueling are greatly increased
> by them and I've often wondered if there are other risks. i have no idea
> what they refueled with in China or how carefully the fuel's quality is
> looked after.

As you say, sounds odd. Hopefully the final report will shed a bit more
light on things.

Thanks for the info.

Andy

[Stefan]

Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:

....
> I've heard today that the report came out but I can't find it on the
> net. I'd be able to comment more fully if I had it to read.
>
> It isn't exactly fuel icing, but what's called waxing. The fuel gets
....

Funny that you say that you haven't read the report (BTW intermediate,
not final), but this doesn't stop you to explain in detail what has
happened.

Even more funny that despite your attitude you're completely wrong. It
*was* icing. Read the report.

[Stefan]

Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:

> Yeah, I found mainstream news reports on it after I posted that. They
> seem to be insisting it wasn't waxing, but actual ice in the fuel, which
> would be a very rare event. i have had it happen to me using Avgas. When
> 100LL came out first it had a habit of keeping water in suspension. I
> nearly came to grief, in fact, as did many others. that problem was
> solved with 100LL AFAIK, though. When I heard about the accident first I
> thought it might have been duff fuel they got in China, bu tI see no
> finger pointing in that direction. in some parts of the world the fuel
> is still pretty crude, being fairly wide cut. The engines sem to digest
> it with no problem, but fire hazards while fueling are greatly increased
> by them and I've often wondered if there are other risks. i have no idea
> what they refueled with in China or how carefully the fuel's quality is
> looked after.

Blah blah blah

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Stefan > wrote in news:6fade$48c11b12$54497efa
:

> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>
> ...
>> I've heard today that the report came out but I can't find it on the
>> net. I'd be able to comment more fully if I had it to read.
>>
>> It isn't exactly fuel icing, but what's called waxing. The fuel gets
> ...
>
> Funny that you say that you haven't read the report (BTW intermediate,
> not final), but this doesn't stop you to explain in detail what has
> happened.


I dodn't explain in detail what hapened, fjukkwit. I explained the
shortcomings of airliner fuel systems in general.
>
> Even more funny that despite your attitude you're completely wrong. It
> *was* icing. Read the report.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh6pZQX22CQ


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Stefan > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>
>> Yeah, I found mainstream news reports on it after I posted that. They
>> seem to be insisting it wasn't waxing, but actual ice in the fuel,
>> which would be a very rare event. i have had it happen to me using
>> Avgas. When 100LL came out first it had a habit of keeping water in
>> suspension. I nearly came to grief, in fact, as did many others. that
>> problem was solved with 100LL AFAIK, though. When I heard about the
>> accident first I thought it might have been duff fuel they got in
>> China, bu tI see no finger pointing in that direction. in some parts
>> of the world the fuel is still pretty crude, being fairly wide cut.
>> The engines sem to digest it with no problem, but fire hazards while
>> fueling are greatly increased by them and I've often wondered if
>> there are other risks. i have no idea what they refueled with in
>> China or how carefully the fuel's quality is looked after.
>
> Blah blah blah
>

Oh do tell, fjukktard.


Bertie

[Lonnie[_3_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...

>
> Yeah, I found mainstream news reports on it after I posted that. They
> seem to be insisting it wasn't waxing, but actual ice in the fuel, which
> would be a very rare event.

Ya got a link?

i have had it happen to me using Avgas. When
> 100LL came out first it had a habit of keeping water in suspension. I
> nearly came to grief, in fact, as did many others. that problem was
> solved with 100LL AFAIK, though.

You forgot to begin this with "Once upon a time".

When I heard about the accident first I
> thought it might have been duff fuel they got in China, bu tI see no
> finger pointing in that direction. in some parts of the world the fuel
> is still pretty crude, being fairly wide cut.

Got a link???


The engines sem to digest
> it with no problem, but fire hazards while fueling are greatly increased
> by them and I've often wondered if there are other risks. i have no idea
> what they refueled with in China or how carefully the fuel's quality is
> looked after.
>
>
> Bertie

Sounds more like Bert****.

[Lonnie[_3_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> Stefan > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>>
>>> Yeah, I found mainstream news reports on it after I posted that. They
>>> seem to be insisting it wasn't waxing, but actual ice in the fuel,
>>> which would be a very rare event. i have had it happen to me using
>>> Avgas. When 100LL came out first it had a habit of keeping water in
>>> suspension. I nearly came to grief, in fact, as did many others. that
>>> problem was solved with 100LL AFAIK, though. When I heard about the
>>> accident first I thought it might have been duff fuel they got in
>>> China, bu tI see no finger pointing in that direction. in some parts
>>> of the world the fuel is still pretty crude, being fairly wide cut.
>>> The engines sem to digest it with no problem, but fire hazards while
>>> fueling are greatly increased by them and I've often wondered if
>>> there are other risks. i have no idea what they refueled with in
>>> China or how carefully the fuel's quality is looked after.
>>
>> Blah blah blah
>>
>
> Oh do tell, fjukktard.
>
>
> Bertie

There ya go, get that cross posting **** going, dumb ass.

[Lonnie[_3_]]

"Andy Hawkins" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
>
> In article >,
> Bertie the > wrote:
>> Yeah, I found mainstream news reports on it after I posted that. They
>> seem to be insisting it wasn't waxing, but actual ice in the fuel, which
>> would be a very rare event. i have had it happen to me using Avgas. When
>> 100LL came out first it had a habit of keeping water in suspension. I
>> nearly came to grief, in fact, as did many others. that problem was
>> solved with 100LL AFAIK, though. When I heard about the accident first I
>> thought it might have been duff fuel they got in China, bu tI see no
>> finger pointing in that direction. in some parts of the world the fuel
>> is still pretty crude, being fairly wide cut. The engines sem to digest
>> it with no problem, but fire hazards while fueling are greatly increased
>> by them and I've often wondered if there are other risks. i have no idea
>> what they refueled with in China or how carefully the fuel's quality is
>> looked after.
>
> As you say, sounds odd. Hopefully the final report will shed a bit more
> light on things.
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Andy

You should be cross posting this **** to Andy, your hero is.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>> Yeah, I found mainstream news reports on it after I posted that. They
>> seem to be insisting it wasn't waxing, but actual ice in the fuel,
which
>> would be a very rare event.
>
> Ya got a link?
>


No fjukkktard. do your own research.


> i have had it happen to me using Avgas. When
>> 100LL came out first it had a habit of keeping water in suspension. I
>> nearly came to grief, in fact, as did many others. that problem was
>> solved with 100LL AFAIK, though.
>
> You forgot to begin this with "Once upon a time".
>
> When I heard about the accident first I
>> thought it might have been duff fuel they got in China, bu tI see no
>> finger pointing in that direction. in some parts of the world the
fuel
>> is still pretty crude, being fairly wide cut.
>
> Got a link???


Don't need one. I dind't look it up fjukkkwit.
>
>
> The engines sem to digest
>> it with no problem, but fire hazards while fueling are greatly
increased
>> by them and I've often wondered if there are other risks. i have no
idea
>> what they refueled with in China or how carefully the fuel's quality
is
>> looked after.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Sounds more like Bert****.



To a halfwit like you, of course it does.


Bertie

[Lonnie[_3_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> Stefan > wrote in news:6fade$48c11b12$54497efa
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>>
>> ...
>>> I've heard today that the report came out but I can't find it on the
>>> net. I'd be able to comment more fully if I had it to read.
>>>
>>> It isn't exactly fuel icing, but what's called waxing. The fuel gets
>> ...
>>
>> Funny that you say that you haven't read the report (BTW intermediate,
>> not final), but this doesn't stop you to explain in detail what has
>> happened.
>
>
> I dodn't explain in detail what hapened, fjukkwit. I explained the
> shortcomings of airliner fuel systems in general.
>>
>> Even more funny that despite your attitude you're completely wrong. It
>> *was* icing. Read the report.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh6pZQX22CQ
>
>
> Bertie

You don't explain anything, you just talk ****.

Link is a dumb assed re-run, but a great example of you **** poor attitude.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Stefan > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, I found mainstream news reports on it after I posted that.
They
>>>> seem to be insisting it wasn't waxing, but actual ice in the fuel,
>>>> which would be a very rare event. i have had it happen to me using
>>>> Avgas. When 100LL came out first it had a habit of keeping water in
>>>> suspension. I nearly came to grief, in fact, as did many others.
that
>>>> problem was solved with 100LL AFAIK, though. When I heard about the
>>>> accident first I thought it might have been duff fuel they got in
>>>> China, bu tI see no finger pointing in that direction. in some
parts
>>>> of the world the fuel is still pretty crude, being fairly wide cut.
>>>> The engines sem to digest it with no problem, but fire hazards
while
>>>> fueling are greatly increased by them and I've often wondered if
>>>> there are other risks. i have no idea what they refueled with in
>>>> China or how carefully the fuel's quality is looked after.
>>>
>>> Blah blah blah
>>>
>>
>> Oh do tell, fjukktard.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> There ya go, get that cross posting **** going, dumb ass.
>

Every time i respond to you. That's the way it works! I see a k00k and I
share, maxie



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "Andy Hawkins" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hi,
>>
>> In article >,
>> Bertie the > wrote:
>>> Yeah, I found mainstream news reports on it after I posted that.
>>> They seem to be insisting it wasn't waxing, but actual ice in the
>>> fuel, which would be a very rare event. i have had it happen to me
>>> using Avgas. When 100LL came out first it had a habit of keeping
>>> water in suspension. I nearly came to grief, in fact, as did many
>>> others. that problem was solved with 100LL AFAIK, though. When I
>>> heard about the accident first I thought it might have been duff
>>> fuel they got in China, bu tI see no finger pointing in that
>>> direction. in some parts of the world the fuel is still pretty
>>> crude, being fairly wide cut. The engines sem to digest it with no
>>> problem, but fire hazards while fueling are greatly increased by
>>> them and I've often wondered if there are other risks. i have no
>>> idea what they refueled with in China or how carefully the fuel's
>>> quality is looked after.
>>
>> As you say, sounds odd. Hopefully the final report will shed a bit
>> more light on things.
>>
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>> Andy
>
> You should be cross posting this **** to Andy, your hero is.
>


Yes yes gibber boi.



Bertie>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Stefan > wrote in
>> news:6fade$48c11b12$54497efa :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>> I've heard today that the report came out but I can't find it on
>>>> the net. I'd be able to comment more fully if I had it to read.
>>>>
>>>> It isn't exactly fuel icing, but what's called waxing. The fuel
>>>> gets
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Funny that you say that you haven't read the report (BTW
>>> intermediate, not final), but this doesn't stop you to explain in
>>> detail what has happened.
>>
>>
>> I dodn't explain in detail what hapened, fjukkwit. I explained the
>> shortcomings of airliner fuel systems in general.
>>>
>>> Even more funny that despite your attitude you're completely wrong.
>>> It *was* icing. Read the report.
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh6pZQX22CQ
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> You don't explain anything, you just talk ****.
>
> Link is a dumb assed re-run, but a great example of you **** poor
> attitude.
>

Thenkew.


Bertie

[Lonnie[_3_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...

Put up or shut up lamer. You pulled every bit of that, right out of your
ass.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> Put up or shut up lamer. You pulled every bit of that, right out of your
> ass.
>
>
>

Nope, I fly jets, therefore I know something about the subject,


period.


As for shutting up.

never.

Ever.




Bertie

[Lonnie[_3_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :
>
>>
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> Put up or shut up lamer. You pulled every bit of that, right out of your
>> ass.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Nope, I fly jets, therefore I know something about the subject,
>
>


Prove it, lamer.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in
>> :
>>
>>>
>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Put up or shut up lamer. You pulled every bit of that, right out of
>>> your ass.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Nope, I fly jets, therefore I know something about the subject,
>>
>>
>
>
> Prove it, lamer.

Why?


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :

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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in
>> :
>>
>>>
>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Put up or shut up lamer. You pulled every bit of that, right out of
>>> your ass.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Nope, I fly jets, therefore I know something about the subject,
>>
>>
>
>
> Prove it, lamer.
>

Easy, you're a ****bag, you like jay, jay liks you.

Q.E.D



Bertie

[Lonnie[_3_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
>>
>> Prove it, lamer.
>
> Why?
>
>
> Bertie

Cuz ya can't.

[Lonnie[_3_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> Easy, you're a ****bag, you like jay, jay liks you.
>
> Q.E.D
>
>
>
> Bertie

Prove it lamer.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>>
>> Easy, you're a ****bag, you like jay, jay liks you.
>>
>> Q.E.D
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Prove it lamer.
>
>

Don't need to.


Bertie
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :

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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>>>
>>> Prove it, lamer.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Cuz ya can't.

Why would I care to?




Bertie

[Lonnie[_3_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>
> Don't need to.
>
>
> Bertie
>>
>

That's the difference between you and your brother Anthony. He will admit he
isn't a pilot.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :

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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Don't need to.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>>
>>
>
> That's the difference between you and your brother Anthony. He will
> admit he isn't a pilot.


No, actually he won't.

I couldn't care less if you or anyone else thinks I'm a pilot Maxine.


And your failure to grasp that as well as every other portion of my mastery
of your tiny existence is what makes you so ****ing funny.



Bertie

[Lonnie[_3_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
>
> And your failure to grasp that as well as every other portion of my
> mastery
> of your tiny existence is what makes you so ****ing funny.
>
>
>
> Bertie

You're the one that's funny dick head,

you believe your OWN line of ****!

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :

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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> And your failure to grasp that as well as every other portion of my
>> mastery
>> of your tiny existence is what makes you so ****ing funny.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> You're the one that's funny dick head,
>


I know.



> you believe your OWN line of ****!
>

Yes, I do.


Bertie

[Lonnie[_3_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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> "Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :
>
>>
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>>>
>>>> Prove it, lamer.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>> Cuz ya can't.
>
> Why would I care to?
>

You wouldn't, because you can't.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :

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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :
>>
>>>
>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>>>>
>>>>> Prove it, lamer.
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> Cuz ya can't.
>>
>> Why would I care to?
>>
>
> You wouldn't, because you can't.

Yeh, it's obvious, isn't it fjukktard?


You really got me on the ropes now.

Whatever will I do?



Bertie

[Lonnie[_3_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>
> Whatever will I do?
>
>
>
> Bertie

Just keep lying, it's all you have ever had.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :

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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Whatever will I do?
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Just keep lying, it's all you have ever had.
>

Yeh, s'pose so.


Remind me, k00k, what were those lies again?


i forgot.


bertie

[Lonnie[_3_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Just keep lying, it's all you have ever had.
>>
>
> Yeh, s'pose so.
>
>
> Remind me, k00k, what were those lies again?
>
>
> i forgot.
>
>
> bertie

More ant poison and chardonnay today?

When you said you were a world class troll and pilot.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>
>>> Just keep lying, it's all you have ever had.
>>>
>>
>> Yeh, s'pose so.
>>
>>
>> Remind me, k00k, what were those lies again?
>>
>>
>> i forgot.
>>
>>
>> bertie
>
> More ant poison and chardonnay today?
>
> When you said you were a world class troll and pilot.
>

Really? Where id I say I was a world class pilot?


That must be just an assumption you made when you were dazzled by my
brilliance.


Of course, don't take much to dazzle a fuzzy witted turd like you.


Bertie

[Lonnie[_3_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :
>
>>
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Just keep lying, it's all you have ever had.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeh, s'pose so.
>>>
>>>
>>> Remind me, k00k, what were those lies again?
>>>
>>>
>>> i forgot.
>>>
>>>
>>> bertie
>>
>> More ant poison and chardonnay today?
>>
>> When you said you were a world class troll and pilot.
>>
>
> Really? Where id I say I was a world class pilot?
>
>
> That must be just an assumption you made when you were dazzled by my
> brilliance.
>
>
> Of course, don't take much to dazzle a fuzzy witted turd like you.
>
>
> Bertie

There ya go, just start lying again.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in news:Rhhwk.38097$Rs1.14813
@newsfe08.iad:
>>
>>>
>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Just keep lying, it's all you have ever had.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeh, s'pose so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Remind me, k00k, what were those lies again?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i forgot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bertie
>>>
>>> More ant poison and chardonnay today?
>>>
>>> When you said you were a world class troll and pilot.
>>>
>>
>> Really? Where id I say I was a world class pilot?
>>
>>
>> That must be just an assumption you made when you were dazzled by my
>> brilliance.
>>
>>
>> Of course, don't take much to dazzle a fuzzy witted turd like you.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> There ya go, just start lying again.
>
>
>

Awww, dat so huwtfuw.


Bertie

[Cardinal Snarky of the Fannish Inquisition]

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:46:18 +0000, Bertie the Bunyip sat in thee Comfee
Chaire, and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
> Stefan wrote:
>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>> ...
>>> I've heard today that the report came out but I can't find it on the
>>> net. I'd be able to comment more fully if I had it to read.
>>>
>>> It isn't exactly fuel icing, but what's called waxing. The fuel gets
>> ...
>>
>> Funny that you say that you haven't read the report (BTW intermediate,
>> not final), but this doesn't stop you to explain in detail what has
>> happened.
>
> I dodn't explain in detail what hapened, fjukkwit. I explained the
> shortcomings of airliner fuel systems in general.
>>
>> Even more funny that despite your attitude you're completely wrong. It
>> *was* icing. Read the report.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh6pZQX22CQ

Succinctly put -- harden the **** up, "Stefan".

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>> Are you the Peter J Ross that I've heard so much about?
>
> Probably. I'm the one who doesn't resort to forgery after losing an
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how I can make something so lame that you tossed out there so gosh darn
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I guess lots of people just don't watch dateline or read stories much.
Why don;t you go to pervertedjustice,com and see what they do. They are
awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they lied to membners of the
public.
They are awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they posed as an
underage person and agreed to do all sorts of sex acts wioth adult
males, and they are adults posing as teenager themselves. They make
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Why don't you read it where they tell these victims of their deceit
about how they have been with grown men and such? Why don't you read it
where they say, "That would be cool." after someone makes an advance
towards an adult who is posing as a teenager? And, where they agree to
meet the person, etc.
Lost control, didn't you?
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>

To Whom It May Concern: Michael J. Cranston attorney kook is a stalker

[Naked Gonad[_2_]]

Cardinal Snarky of the Fannish Inquisition wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:46:18 +0000, Bertie the Bunyip sat in thee Comfee
> Chaire, and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
>> Stefan wrote:
>>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>>> ...
>>>> I've heard today that the report came out but I can't find it on the
>>>> net. I'd be able to comment more fully if I had it to read.
>>>>
>>>> It isn't exactly fuel icing, but what's called waxing. The fuel gets
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Funny that you say that you haven't read the report (BTW intermediate,
>>> not final), but this doesn't stop you to explain in detail what has
>>> happened.
>> I dodn't explain in detail what hapened, fjukkwit. I explained the
>> shortcomings of airliner fuel systems in general.
>>> Even more funny that despite your attitude you're completely wrong. It
>>> *was* icing. Read the report.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh6pZQX22CQ
>
> Succinctly put -- harden the **** up, "Stefan".
>
You are all wrong! the elastic band broke. Please get
your facts right!

D Bader (alias Gonad)

[Lola Stonewall Riot]

Hail Eris! On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:25:30 +0000, Bertie the Bunyip frothed
and foamed:
> "Lonnie" wrote:
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote...
>>>>
>>>> Just keep lying, it's all you have ever had.
>>>
>>> Yeh, s'pose so.
>>>
>>> Remind me, k00k, what were those lies again?
>>>
>>> i forgot.
>>
>> More ant poison and chardonnay today?
>>
>> When you said you were a world class troll and pilot.
>
> Really? Where id I say I was a world class pilot?
>
> That must be just an assumption you made when you were dazzled by my
> brilliance.
>
> Of course, don't take much to dazzle a fuzzy witted turd like you.

Funny thing is, Maxipad's quite wrong. Bertie _is_ a world-class
troll(er). Just ask a New Zealand politician...

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personal contact info in x-poasted subject lines:
"Plenty of people post under their real names and do not attempt to hide
their contact info. You are scared of being 'outed' because you are a
pathological abuser of usenet, and people rightly despise you for it.
You're afraid of being reported to the authorities or, better, visited
by a couple of guys with baseball bats. Other people don't have this
obsessive fear. Ward Hardman himself has posted plenty of personal
information - nothing that anyone else added was hidden in any way.
You're so ****ing scared you've built up this whole sick mythology about
different categories of bad dudes who 'out' scum like you.

"Meanwhile you are the ugliest pig****er in the universe. You are the
coward without ethics. You call me a 'newbie' - ha! what an asshole you
are. Those who want to remain anonymous do so. There is absolutely no
way you could identify me, not unless you had the sort of subpoena power
that only gets turned on for big-time terrorists. That's because I chose
to be anonymous. Some people don't. Only really stupid dicks like you
choose the sort of semi-anonymity which leaves you in constant fear.

"What a dickless wonder you are 'Snarky' you fat asshole."
-- in MID: om>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Lola Stonewall Riot > wrote in
news:pan.2008.09.08.09.49.19.476584
@meow.disorg.flonk.discord.kookology.alexa.cameron .the.k00k.georgewbush.
the.bobo:

> Hail Eris! On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:25:30 +0000, Bertie the Bunyip
frothed
> and foamed:
>> "Lonnie" wrote:
>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote...
>>>>>
>>>>> Just keep lying, it's all you have ever had.
>>>>
>>>> Yeh, s'pose so.
>>>>
>>>> Remind me, k00k, what were those lies again?
>>>>
>>>> i forgot.
>>>
>>> More ant poison and chardonnay today?
>>>
>>> When you said you were a world class troll and pilot.
>>
>> Really? Where id I say I was a world class pilot?
>>
>> That must be just an assumption you made when you were dazzled by my
>> brilliance.
>>
>> Of course, don't take much to dazzle a fuzzy witted turd like you.
>
> Funny thing is, Maxipad's quite wrong. Bertie _is_ a world-class
> troll(er). Just ask a New Zealand politician...


Amongst others.

Of course, i've never got an AUK award like Maxi......


Bertie