Why nitrogen?

[Viperdoc[_5_]]

The thread on brakes raised a question from the past- why nitrogen in the
tires of big jets and heavies? Air is around 78% nitrogen anyway, and the
coefficient of expansion of the remaining 20% that's oxygen can't make that
much difference in volume.

Why not just use dry air? I couldn't imagine that dry air or dry nitrogen
could make that much difference in corrosion, either.

I seem to recall someone giving me the rationale for this a long time ago,
but also seem to remember thinking it didn't make that much sense at the
time.

[a[_3_]]

On Sep 15, 6:09*pm, "Viperdoc" > wrote:
> The thread on brakes raised a question from the past- why nitrogen in the
> tires of big jets and heavies? Air is around 78% nitrogen anyway, and the
> coefficient of expansion of the remaining 20% that's oxygen can't make that
> much difference in volume.
>
> Why not just use dry air? I couldn't imagine that dry air or dry nitrogen
> could make that much difference in corrosion, either.
>
> I seem to recall someone giving me the rationale for this a long time ago,
> but also seem to remember thinking it didn't make that much sense at the
> time.

The legend is that the oxygen is reacting with the rubber. Even
though compressed air has the same fraction of oxygen as does the
atmosphere, the fact that it's compressed, it's been argued, increases
its reactivity. I can't validate the legend.

[a[_3_]]

On Sep 15, 6:20*pm, a > wrote:
> On Sep 15, 6:09*pm, "Viperdoc" > wrote:
>
> > The thread on brakes raised a question from the past- why nitrogen in the
> > tires of big jets and heavies? Air is around 78% nitrogen anyway, and the
> > coefficient of expansion of the remaining 20% that's oxygen can't make that
> > much difference in volume.
>
> > Why not just use dry air? I couldn't imagine that dry air or dry nitrogen
> > could make that much difference in corrosion, either.
>
> > I seem to recall someone giving me the rationale for this a long time ago,
> > but also seem to remember thinking it didn't make that much sense at the
> > time.
>
> The legend is that *the oxygen is reacting with the rubber. Even
> though compressed air has the same fraction of oxygen as does the
> atmosphere, the fact that it's compressed, it's been argued, increases
> its reactivity. I can't validate the legend.

I got curious, did a quick check. The process also reduces water
vapor, and N2 does not migrate through the rubber as fast as does O2,
so pressure stays more predictable. So it's more consistent tire
pressure, less corrosion.

[Jim Logajan]

"Viperdoc" > wrote:
> The thread on brakes raised a question from the past- why nitrogen in
> the tires of big jets and heavies? Air is around 78% nitrogen anyway,
> and the coefficient of expansion of the remaining 20% that's oxygen
> can't make that much difference in volume.
>
> Why not just use dry air? I couldn't imagine that dry air or dry
> nitrogen could make that much difference in corrosion, either.
>
> I seem to recall someone giving me the rationale for this a long time
> ago, but also seem to remember thinking it didn't make that much sense
> at the time.

Consumer Reports noted:

"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has seen
reduced aging of tires filled with nitrogen. Though the data does support
that passenger car tires could benefit by all the claims made for nitrogen,
tire manufacturers say that they already design tires to perform well with
air inflation. And while nitrogen will do no harm, manufacturers say that
they don't see the need to use nitrogen, which generally adds $5 or more
per tire charge."

From: http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2007/10/tires-nitrogen-.html

Also CR's Q&A answers imply that if you have a lot of tires (as on a truck)
then using N2 may be a net win, but probably not in other cases:

"The positive benefits of nitrogen in high(er) service pressure
applications, such as used in large truck tires, has been documented in the
industry. Our test centered on passenger tires, only. We are not
discrediting the use of nitrogen, but it is not a substitute for regular
inflation checks."

From: http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2007/10/nitrogen-tires-.html

[Peter Dohm]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in message
...
> The thread on brakes raised a question from the past- why nitrogen in the
> tires of big jets and heavies? Air is around 78% nitrogen anyway, and the
> coefficient of expansion of the remaining 20% that's oxygen can't make
> that much difference in volume.
>
> Why not just use dry air? I couldn't imagine that dry air or dry nitrogen
> could make that much difference in corrosion, either.
>
> I seem to recall someone giving me the rationale for this a long time ago,
> but also seem to remember thinking it didn't make that much sense at the
> time.
>
My local automotive tire dealer now has signs up touting the availability of
nitrogen. However, I agree with you that dry air should work about as well.
The big contributor to pressure change is water--since there isn't enough
CO2 in the air for its nonlinearity to be a major factor.

The only difference that would make nitrogen seen really beneficial to me
would be in the case of an aircraft which is kept hangared and seldom
operated. Then, if the tire threads last a number of years, and the tires
are sheltered from UV radiation, the inert nature of the nitrogen could be
usefull.

Peter

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in
:

> The thread on brakes raised a question from the past- why nitrogen in
> the tires of big jets and heavies? Air is around 78% nitrogen anyway,
> and the coefficient of expansion of the remaining 20% that's oxygen
> can't make that much difference in volume.
>
> Why not just use dry air? I couldn't imagine that dry air or dry
> nitrogen could make that much difference in corrosion, either.
>
> I seem to recall someone giving me the rationale for this a long time
> ago, but also seem to remember thinking it didn't make that much sense
> at the time.
>



Well, the greasemonkies say it preserves the rubber. Having said that we go
through them pretty quick and even considering retreads there wouldn't
be years of exposure or anything..
Wheel fires may be another good reason...


bertie

[Bob F.[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Viperdoc" > wrote in
> :
>
>> The thread on brakes raised a question from the past- why nitrogen in
>> the tires of big jets and heavies? Air is around 78% nitrogen anyway,
>> and the coefficient of expansion of the remaining 20% that's oxygen
>> can't make that much difference in volume.
>>
>> Why not just use dry air? I couldn't imagine that dry air or dry
>> nitrogen could make that much difference in corrosion, either.
>>
>> I seem to recall someone giving me the rationale for this a long time
>> ago, but also seem to remember thinking it didn't make that much sense
>> at the time.
>>
>
>
>
> Well, the greasemonkies say it preserves the rubber. Having said that we
> go
> through them pretty quick and even considering retreads there wouldn't
> be years of exposure or anything..
> Wheel fires may be another good reason...
>
>
> bertie


Right, they are called Napoleon tires. You heard of "Napoleon Blown Apart"
haven't you. :-)

--
Regards, Bob F.

[Viperdoc]

It all sounds like BS to me- if it's the tire we're discussing, there's no
contact with the nitrogen, just the inner tube. The outer surface of the
tire is in air of course, along with exposure to UV light, salts, etc. The
tire is going to lose its rubber well before it starts to oxidize and crack.

A tube perhaps might be more subject to oxidation, but it's dark in there,
not a lot of UV to make stuff that cause oxidation like free radicals and
ozone, and the increase in the partial pressure of oxygen at 200psi is only
around 15fold, or from around 140mm Hg to around 2000mm. If it'sdry air, I
can't believe it would make that much difference.

Need to see the aging data on rubber kept in air versus nitrogen.

Just realized I was starting to sound like you know who, so will stop this
and have another cocktail.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Bob F." > wrote in
:

> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Viperdoc" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> The thread on brakes raised a question from the past- why nitrogen
>>> in the tires of big jets and heavies? Air is around 78% nitrogen
>>> anyway, and the coefficient of expansion of the remaining 20% that's
>>> oxygen can't make that much difference in volume.
>>>
>>> Why not just use dry air? I couldn't imagine that dry air or dry
>>> nitrogen could make that much difference in corrosion, either.
>>>
>>> I seem to recall someone giving me the rationale for this a long
>>> time ago, but also seem to remember thinking it didn't make that
>>> much sense at the time.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, the greasemonkies say it preserves the rubber. Having said that
>> we go
>> through them pretty quick and even considering retreads there
>> wouldn't be years of exposure or anything..
>> Wheel fires may be another good reason...
>>
>>
>> bertie
>
>
> Right, they are called Napoleon tires. You heard of "Napoleon Blown
> Apart" haven't you. :-)
>

groan!


A guy i used to work with witnessed the aftermath of someone trying to
fill a 707 nosewheel wiht an incorrect type reduction on the bottle. The
guy was pretty much vaporised. My friend spent months as a witness in
the subsequent lawsuit.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in
:

> It all sounds like BS to me- if it's the tire we're discussing,
> there's no contact with the nitrogen, just the inner tube. The outer
> surface of the tire is in air of course, along with exposure to UV
> light, salts, etc. The tire is going to lose its rubber well before it
> starts to oxidize and crack.

Yeah, I kinda thought that myself which gave me the notion that the fire
thing wiht heavies might be more relevant we run anything up to 300PSI as
well, which might be a factor. I must ask around again.



Bertie

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in message
...
<...>
>
> Need to see the aging data on rubber kept in air versus nitrogen.
>

I've seen it at work, fwiw. Some difference.

But, for car tires, I would say there is more hype than benefit.

--
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[Viperdoc[_5_]]

I don't know whether nitrogen alone versus plain old air would make that
much difference in supporting a fire. As I recall, the heavies have blow out
plugs in case of a hot brake, so the plug melts and lets the air (nitrogen)
out before the tire blows.

On our base they fill the KC-135 tires in a big steel mesh cage- kind of a
reminder of what could happen if it let go.

Reminds me of the time a line guy in a local airport filled the air bottle
for a Vendenyev engine (they use an air start and not an electrical starter)
with oxygen rather than compressed air. The resulting fire burned up the
whole plane. The initial start-up must have been something to watch-
ignition on, engage starter, two blades, .... then kaboom!

At least it was in a Wilga, and not an aerobatic plane. It was the aviation
equivalent of Darwinism- ridding the world of ugly airplanes.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in
:

> I don't know whether nitrogen alone versus plain old air would make
> that much difference in supporting a fire. As I recall, the heavies
> have blow out plugs in case of a hot brake, so the plug melts and lets
> the air (nitrogen) out before the tire blows.
>
That's right. they do, but they can and do catch fire as well.

> On our base they fill the KC-135 tires in a big steel mesh cage- kind
> of a reminder of what could happen if it let go.
>
> Reminds me of the time a line guy in a local airport filled the air
> bottle for a Vendenyev engine (they use an air start and not an
> electrical starter) with oxygen rather than compressed air. The
> resulting fire burned up the whole plane. The initial start-up must
> have been something to watch- ignition on, engage starter, two blades,
> .... then kaboom!


wow!

>
> At least it was in a Wilga, and not an aerobatic plane. It was the
> aviation equivalent of Darwinism- ridding the world of ugly airplanes.
>
>
So, the O2 fueled an already existing fire or caused it?


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk @See My Sig.com> wrote in
:

> "Viperdoc" > wrote in message
> ...
> <...>
>>
>> Need to see the aging data on rubber kept in air versus nitrogen.
>>
>
> I've seen it at work, fwiw. Some difference.
>
> But, for car tires, I would say there is more hype than benefit.
>

Used to put it in the tires of my light plane, mostly because it was free.
I flew off grass and reckoned they'd rot before I wore them out anyway, so
I might as well get the most bang for the buck out of the tires.


Bertie

[Viperdoc[_5_]]

> So, the O2 fueled an already existing fire or caused it?


I suspect that pumping the oxygen into the system somehow started the fire:
it probably is a new definition for the term "hot start"

[terry]

On Sep 16, 8:20*am, a > wrote:
> On Sep 15, 6:09*pm, "Viperdoc" > wrote:
>
> > The thread on brakes raised a question from the past- why nitrogen in the
> > tires of big jets and heavies? Air is around 78% nitrogen anyway, and the
> > coefficient of expansion of the remaining 20% that's oxygen can't make that
> > much difference in volume.
>
> > Why not just use dry air? I couldn't imagine that dry air or dry nitrogen
> > could make that much difference in corrosion, either.
>
> > I seem to recall someone giving me the rationale for this a long time ago,
> > but also seem to remember thinking it didn't make that much sense at the
> > time.
>
> The legend is that *the oxygen is reacting with the rubber. Even
> though compressed air has the same fraction of oxygen as does the
> atmosphere, the fact that it's compressed, it's been argued, increases
> its reactivity. I can't validate the legend.

Thats is not a legend its a fact rubber is very prone to oxidation
which is why it contains chemical antioxidants, and the reactivity
will be proportional to the concentration , ie pressure of the
oxygen. I am not however saying that is the only reason otherwise why
dont we put nitrogen in our car tyres.
Terry

[terry]

On Sep 16, 8:25*am, a > wrote:
> On Sep 15, 6:20*pm, a > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 15, 6:09*pm, "Viperdoc" > wrote:
>
> > > The thread on brakes raised a question from the past- why nitrogen in the
> > > tires of big jets and heavies? Air is around 78% nitrogen anyway, and the
> > > coefficient of expansion of the remaining 20% that's oxygen can't make that
> > > much difference in volume.
>
> > > Why not just use dry air? I couldn't imagine that dry air or dry nitrogen
> > > could make that much difference in corrosion, either.
>
> > > I seem to recall someone giving me the rationale for this a long time ago,
> > > but also seem to remember thinking it didn't make that much sense at the
> > > time.
>
> > The legend is that *the oxygen is reacting with the rubber. Even
> > though compressed air has the same fraction of oxygen as does the
> > atmosphere, the fact that it's compressed, it's been argued, increases
> > its reactivity. I can't validate the legend.
>
> I got curious, did a quick check. The process also reduces water
> vapor, and N2 does not migrate through the rubber as fast as does O2,
> so pressure stays more predictable. So it's more consistent tire
> pressure, less corrosion.- Hide quoted text -
>
Dont see why it would reduce water vapour, dry air has no more water
than dry nitrogen. and migration or porosity is a function of
molecular size. There is not much difference between nitrogen MW 28
and Oxygen MW 32.
Terry

[Robert Moore]

"Viperdoc" wrote
> I suspect that pumping the oxygen into the system somehow started the
> fire: it probably is a new definition for the term "hot start"

In that engine, the compressed air is injected into the top of the
cylinders by an air distributor at about the same time as the spark
is fired. (it also has a "shower of sparks" system)
This sometimes results in the engine firing (and starting) before it
seems like it even turns.

In the YAK-52, the compressed air also operates the retractable gear,
the flaps and the brakes.

Bob Moore

[terry]

On Sep 16, 6:39*pm, terry > wrote:
> On Sep 16, 8:25*am, a > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 15, 6:20*pm, a > wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 15, 6:09*pm, "Viperdoc" > wrote:
>
> > > > The thread on brakes raised a question from the past- why nitrogen in the
> > > > tires of big jets and heavies? Air is around 78% nitrogen anyway, and the
> > > > coefficient of expansion of the remaining 20% that's oxygen can't make that
> > > > much difference in volume.
>
> > > > Why not just use dry air? I couldn't imagine that dry air or dry nitrogen
> > > > could make that much difference in corrosion, either.
>
> > > > I seem to recall someone giving me the rationale for this a long time ago,
> > > > but also seem to remember thinking it didn't make that much sense at the
> > > > time.
>
> > > The legend is that *the oxygen is reacting with the rubber. Even
> > > though compressed air has the same fraction of oxygen as does the
> > > atmosphere, the fact that it's compressed, it's been argued, increases
> > > its reactivity. I can't validate the legend.
>
> > I got curious, did a quick check. The process also reduces water
> > vapor, and N2 does not migrate through the rubber as fast as does O2,
> > so pressure stays more predictable. So it's more consistent tire
> > pressure, less corrosion.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Dont see why it would reduce water vapour, dry air has no more water
> than dry nitrogen. and migration or porosity is a function of
> molecular size. *There is not much difference between nitrogen MW 28
> and Oxygen MW 32.
> Terry- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

OK , I will stand corrected, on the porosity, the proper word was
permeation and nitrogen is actuallly a larger molecule than oxygen
despite its lower molecular weight. Attached link is a really good
explanation ..from an expert. oxygen does permeate 3 to 4 times
faster through rubber. I guess leakage through the tire would occur
even faster in an aircraft tire at altitude due to the driving force
of the pressure differential. But still not convinced if its the
primary reason.. I think I am leaning towards the fire risk. Anyways
its a very interesting aviation topic.
Terry
http://www.getnitrogen.org/pdf/graham.pdf

[Ross]

a wrote:
> On Sep 15, 6:20 pm, a > wrote:
>> On Sep 15, 6:09 pm, "Viperdoc" > wrote:
>>
>>> The thread on brakes raised a question from the past- why nitrogen in the
>>> tires of big jets and heavies? Air is around 78% nitrogen anyway, and the
>>> coefficient of expansion of the remaining 20% that's oxygen can't make that
>>> much difference in volume.
>>> Why not just use dry air? I couldn't imagine that dry air or dry nitrogen
>>> could make that much difference in corrosion, either.
>>> I seem to recall someone giving me the rationale for this a long time ago,
>>> but also seem to remember thinking it didn't make that much sense at the
>>> time.
>> The legend is that the oxygen is reacting with the rubber. Even
>> though compressed air has the same fraction of oxygen as does the
>> atmosphere, the fact that it's compressed, it's been argued, increases
>> its reactivity. I can't validate the legend.
>
> I got curious, did a quick check. The process also reduces water
> vapor, and N2 does not migrate through the rubber as fast as does O2,
> so pressure stays more predictable. So it's more consistent tire
> pressure, less corrosion.

We bought a new Toyota and the salesman stated the tires were filled
with N2 since the molecule was larger and less corrosive than air which
contained O2. Now, how easy is it to find N2 around town. I can take it
to the airport where the mechanic has a tank. But, all the years of
owning a car, I never seem to really have a problem with tires going
down that quick. At the 3K oil changes they top them off anyway. I did
buy a small compressor for the hangar, but never really used it that
much. I have a couple of bikes that I have to air up before each ride.
Those tires really loose pressure. I brought the compressor home.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[JGalban via AviationKB.com]

Peter Dohm wrote:
>The only difference that would make nitrogen seen really beneficial to me
>would be in the case of an aircraft which is kept hangared and seldom
>operated. Then, if the tire threads last a number of years, and the tires
>are sheltered from UV radiation, the inert nature of the nitrogen could be
>usefull.
>

In theory, perhaps. In practice, tires oxidize from the outside as well as
the inside. I've noticed that every time I've bought expensive, long-life
tires, they have to be chucked because the sidewalls are rotting, even though
the tread is still good. It's not just air, but pollutants (particularly in
the cities). Ozone, a common urban pollutant, is particularly bad for tires.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

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[Robert M. Gary]

On Sep 15, 3:09*pm, "Viperdoc" > wrote:
> The thread on brakes raised a question from the past- why nitrogen in the
> tires of big jets and heavies? Air is around 78% nitrogen anyway, and the
> coefficient of expansion of the remaining 20% that's oxygen can't make that
> much difference in volume.
>
> Why not just use dry air? I couldn't imagine that dry air or dry nitrogen
> could make that much difference in corrosion, either.
>
> I seem to recall someone giving me the rationale for this a long time ago,
> but also seem to remember thinking it didn't make that much sense at the
> time.

I just got new tires for my wife's car. They're usnig Nitrogen too.
They put green caps on the valve steam to show its not air.

-Robert

[Viperdoc[_5_]]

Everything posted so far leads me to believe that dry air should work just
as well as dry nitrogen.

At least it's about aviation.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Nomen Nescio > wrote in
:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> From: "Viperdoc" >
>
>>The thread on brakes raised a question from the past- why nitrogen in
>>the tires of big jets and heavies? Air is around 78% nitrogen anyway,
>>and the coefficient of expansion of the remaining 20% that's oxygen
>>can't make that much difference in volume.
>>
>>Why not just use dry air?
>
> 1) It's AVIATION
> 2) Nitrogen is more expensive
>

Asked a grease monkey friend there a few minutes ago.
He says that O2 under pressure is considerably more reactive than it is at
normal atmospheric pressures. So the main reason is to prevent oxidation of
tires and seals. A secondary consideation is detonation in oleos.

Bertie

[Viperdoc[_3_]]

Bertie:

I find this hard to swallow, and I doubt that oxygen (at 20% of air),
regardless of pressure, is going to cause a detonation in an oleo. Just like
in a tire, the percentage of oxygen remains the same, so its ability to
support combustion also remains the same. Now, the increased oxygen pressure
might slightly increase the risk of corrosion, but we are not talking orders
of magnitude higher compared to ambient. At least this is my understanding
as I recall from being a chemistry undergrad and grad student.

The more I hear about this, the more I think it's an old wive's tale.

Anway, what did you think of Anthony's claim"it's not me?" What a moron.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in
:

> Bertie:
>
> I find this hard to swallow, and I doubt that oxygen (at 20% of air),
> regardless of pressure, is going to cause a detonation in an oleo.

Our oleos are a little more, eh, enthusiastic shall we say, than the
oleo on a cherokee! Thumping a hypothetical airplane that weighs, say
500,000 lbs onto an oleo strut of about a foot in dia at, maybe over
1,000 fpm rate of descent is going to get things pretty exciting inside
the strut.I have no idea what the compression ratio is in there, but
it's got to be reasonably high.
I do come across one grease monkey who has answers galore. Anything he
doesn't know he finds out for me the next time I'm through. He's just
one of these guys with an insatiable curiosity about all things
mechanical..

> Just like in a tire, the percentage of oxygen remains the same, so its
> ability to support combustion also remains the same.


Now, the
> increased oxygen pressure might slightly increase the risk of
> corrosion, but we are not talking orders of magnitude higher compared
> to ambient. At least this is my understanding as I recall from being a
> chemistry undergrad and grad student.

Apparenlty, the increased prsssure makes O2 much more aggresive so the
effect is not slight, but in any case, I'm only telling you what my bud
said and he's quality control for a big airline.
>
> The more I hear about this, the more I think it's an old wive's tale.
>
> Anway, what did you think of Anthony's claim"it's not me?" What a
> moron.

Oh yeh. Couldn't care less if it's him or not, to be honest!


Bertie

[Vaughn Simon]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
...
>I just got new tires for my wife's car. They're usnig Nitrogen too.
>They put green caps on the valve steam to show its not air.

Yes, those green caps have proven to be much better at keeping the snake oil
inside the tire where it belongs. Also, I have never once seen a car with green
valve stem caps get attacked by elephants, (but that is just anecdotal evidence
and your experience may vary).


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[B A R R Y[_2_]]

Vaughn Simon wrote:
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I just got new tires for my wife's car. They're usnig Nitrogen too.
>> They put green caps on the valve steam to show its not air.
>
> Yes, those green caps have proven to be much better at keeping the snake oil
> inside the tire where it belongs.

On a side note...

- I learned a few years back that the CAP on a Schrader valve (the
common tire valve) is the PRIMARY seal. No cap, no promise of a good
seal from the valve.

- Green valves on bicycles mean the tire is "Slimed", and has a fiber /
goop sealant.

- Nitrogen DOES leak less than air, and is dryer than most compressed
air. While it isn't worth $59.95, some really good tire shops, and
places like Costco, provide it for free.

CO2, commonly used to quickly repair bicycle flats on the road, leaks
much faster than air!

- Anyone who's ever had an ice chunk in a tire can appreciate a "drier"
fill...

[Peter Dohm]

"JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote in message
news:8a4950eac1beb@uwe...
> Peter Dohm wrote:
>>The only difference that would make nitrogen seen really beneficial to me
>>would be in the case of an aircraft which is kept hangared and seldom
>>operated. Then, if the tire threads last a number of years, and the tires
>>are sheltered from UV radiation, the inert nature of the nitrogen could be
>>usefull.
>>
>
> In theory, perhaps. In practice, tires oxidize from the outside as well
> as
> the inside. I've noticed that every time I've bought expensive, long-life
> tires, they have to be chucked because the sidewalls are rotting, even
> though
> the tread is still good. It's not just air, but pollutants (particularly
> in
> the cities). Ozone, a common urban pollutant, is particularly bad for
> tires.
>
> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>
Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the greenies have decided
that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling oxygen) and O3 (which is
nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are "pollutants" according to the
strange reasoning of their adled brains, I feel compelled to point out that
I suggested that the aircraft would be sheltered in a hangar--which would
protect the outsides of the tires from part of the damage. They still won't
last until the treads wear out, but it will help.

Peter

[Peter Dohm]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Viperdoc" > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>>> So, the O2 fueled an already existing fire or caused it?
>>
>>
>> I suspect that pumping the oxygen into the system somehow started the
>> fire: it probably is a new definition for the term "hot start"
>
>
> Mm, nice.
>
> You heard about this?
>
> http://www.gadling.com/2007/12/16/quantas-maintenance-fills-oxygen-tanks-
> with-nitrogen/
>
> Sounds worse than it was, but still....
>
> Bertie

It appears that they were lucky and the oxygen was'nt needed; but it does
remind me of some of the speculation surrunding the Paine Stewart case. Two
hypotheses around my local airport were that 1) the tank was inadvertantly
filled with nitrogen or 2) that someone misread the labeling on the
regulator on/off handle--which is counterintuitively labeled with "on" or
"off" and arrows pointing which direction to turn the knob for the desired
result. I don't recall whether the case was ever fully resolved; but a lot
of pilots found a couple of areas worthy of their maximum vigilance!

Peter

[Peter Dohm]

"B A R R Y" > wrote in message
...
> Vaughn Simon wrote:
>> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I just got new tires for my wife's car. They're usnig Nitrogen too.
>>> They put green caps on the valve steam to show its not air.
>>
>> Yes, those green caps have proven to be much better at keeping the
>> snake oil inside the tire where it belongs.
>
> On a side note...
>
> - I learned a few years back that the CAP on a Schrader valve (the common
> tire valve) is the PRIMARY seal. No cap, no promise of a good seal from
> the valve.
>
> - Green valves on bicycles mean the tire is "Slimed", and has a fiber /
> goop sealant.
>
> - Nitrogen DOES leak less than air, and is dryer than most compressed air.
> While it isn't worth $59.95, some really good tire shops, and places like
> Costco, provide it for free.
>
> CO2, commonly used to quickly repair bicycle flats on the road, leaks much
> faster than air!
>
> - Anyone who's ever had an ice chunk in a tire can appreciate a "drier"
> fill...

CO2 also has wildly varying pressures with changes in temperature, and he
effect is worse at higher pressures. Of course, the same was true of the
various forms of Freon, which were previously used in canned quick repair
kits.

Peter

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Peter Dohm" > wrote in
:

> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Viperdoc" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>>
>>>> So, the O2 fueled an already existing fire or caused it?
>>>
>>>
>>> I suspect that pumping the oxygen into the system somehow started
>>> the fire: it probably is a new definition for the term "hot start"
>>
>>
>> Mm, nice.
>>
>> You heard about this?
>>
>> http://www.gadling.com/2007/12/16/quantas-maintenance-fills-oxygen-
tan
>> ks- with-nitrogen/
>>
>> Sounds worse than it was, but still....
>>
>> Bertie
>
> It appears that they were lucky and the oxygen was'nt needed; but it
> does remind me of some of the speculation surrunding the Paine Stewart
> case. Two hypotheses around my local airport were that 1) the tank
> was inadvertantly filled with nitrogen or 2) that someone misread the
> labeling on the regulator on/off handle--which is counterintuitively
> labeled with "on" or "off" and arrows pointing which direction to turn
> the knob for the desired result. I don't recall whether the case was
> ever fully resolved; but a lot of pilots found a couple of areas
> worthy of their maximum vigilance!

Moe likely was they passed out before they even realised they were in
trouble on that one. More easily done than I'd certainly expect.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Peter Dohm" > wrote in
:

> "JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote in message
> news:8a4950eac1beb@uwe...
>> Peter Dohm wrote:
>>>The only difference that would make nitrogen seen really beneficial
>>>to me would be in the case of an aircraft which is kept hangared and
>>>seldom operated. Then, if the tire threads last a number of years,
>>>and the tires are sheltered from UV radiation, the inert nature of
>>>the nitrogen could be usefull.
>>>
>>
>> In theory, perhaps. In practice, tires oxidize from the outside as
>> well
>> as
>> the inside. I've noticed that every time I've bought expensive,
>> long-life tires, they have to be chucked because the sidewalls are
>> rotting, even though
>> the tread is still good. It's not just air, but pollutants
>> (particularly in
>> the cities). Ozone, a common urban pollutant, is particularly bad
>> for tires.
>>
>> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>>
> Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the greenies have
> decided that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling oxygen) and O3
> (which is nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are "pollutants"
> according to the strange reasoning of their adled brains,



Here is an explanation for you.


If you find it too difficult to understand I'll have a look around for
the Litle Golden Book of Wonder version for you.



http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/globalchange/global_warming/03.html



Bertie

[Peter Dohm]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in message
...
> Bertie:
>
> I find this hard to swallow, and I doubt that oxygen (at 20% of air),
> regardless of pressure, is going to cause a detonation in an oleo. Just
> like in a tire, the percentage of oxygen remains the same, so its ability
> to support combustion also remains the same. Now, the increased oxygen
> pressure might slightly increase the risk of corrosion, but we are not
> talking orders of magnitude higher compared to ambient. At least this is
> my understanding as I recall from being a chemistry undergrad and grad
> student.
>
> The more I hear about this, the more I think it's an old wive's tale.
>
> Anway, what did you think of Anthony's claim"it's not me?" What a moron.
>
About all that I know on the reactivity subject is by inferance from the
assertion that our own need for suplemental oxygen at altitude is based on
partial pressure. On that basis, it seems to make a sort of sense, even
though it would require a *lot* of pressure and might also require the oil
in the strut to be partially vaporized--possibly during the early stages of
the rebound after the struts were vigorously compressed.

In the case of light plane tires, I agree with you that really dry air
should work well enough to make the issue trivial. But, if you need
nitrogen for any other reason, it is the cheapest thing that I know of in an
L bottle or larger and using it in the tires may be essentially
free--because you may have to pay rental on the tanks if they are not
refilled at a prescribed interval.

Peter

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Peter Dohm" > wrote
>
> It appears that they were lucky and the oxygen was'nt needed; but it does
> remind me of some of the speculation surrunding the Paine Stewart case.
> Two hypotheses around my local airport were that 1) the tank was
> inadvertantly filled with nitrogen or 2) that someone misread the labeling
> on the regulator on/off handle--which is counterintuitively labeled with
> "on" or "off" and arrows pointing which direction to turn the knob for the
> desired result. I don't recall whether the case was ever fully resolved;
> but a lot of pilots found a couple of areas worthy of their maximum
> vigilance!

Learjets don't use bottled oxygen; they have pressurized air from the
engines.

The fact that it was level and on autopilot would suggest that they did not
have a problem with the pressurization system that was noticed, that would
have caused them to try to go onto the bottled oxygen.
--
Jim in NC

[Peter Dohm]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
> :
>
>> "JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote in message
>> news:8a4950eac1beb@uwe...
>>> Peter Dohm wrote:
>>>>The only difference that would make nitrogen seen really beneficial
>>>>to me would be in the case of an aircraft which is kept hangared and
>>>>seldom operated. Then, if the tire threads last a number of years,
>>>>and the tires are sheltered from UV radiation, the inert nature of
>>>>the nitrogen could be usefull.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In theory, perhaps. In practice, tires oxidize from the outside as
>>> well
>>> as
>>> the inside. I've noticed that every time I've bought expensive,
>>> long-life tires, they have to be chucked because the sidewalls are
>>> rotting, even though
>>> the tread is still good. It's not just air, but pollutants
>>> (particularly in
>>> the cities). Ozone, a common urban pollutant, is particularly bad
>>> for tires.
>>>
>>> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>>>
>> Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the greenies have
>> decided that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling oxygen) and O3
>> (which is nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are "pollutants"
>> according to the strange reasoning of their adled brains,
>
>
>
> Here is an explanation for you.
>
>
> If you find it too difficult to understand I'll have a look around for
> the Litle Golden Book of Wonder version for you.
>
>
>
> http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/globalchange/global_warming/03.html
>
>
>
> Bertie

You are too kind!

BTW, it did make a good case for the expansion of nuclear power--which I
have long favored.

Peter

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Morgans" > wrote in
:

>
> "Peter Dohm" > wrote
>>
>> It appears that they were lucky and the oxygen was'nt needed; but it
>> does remind me of some of the speculation surrunding the Paine
>> Stewart case. Two hypotheses around my local airport were that 1) the
>> tank was inadvertantly filled with nitrogen or 2) that someone
>> misread the labeling on the regulator on/off handle--which is
>> counterintuitively labeled with "on" or "off" and arrows pointing
>> which direction to turn the knob for the desired result. I don't
>> recall whether the case was ever fully resolved; but a lot of pilots
>> found a couple of areas worthy of their maximum vigilance!
>
> Learjets don't use bottled oxygen; they have pressurized air from the
> engines.
>


Bwawhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw !



> The fact that it was level and on autopilot would suggest that they
> did not have a problem with the pressurization system that was
> noticed, that would have caused them to try to go onto the bottled
> oxygen.


Wow, you don't know anything about airplanes, do you?

An autoflight system will happily level an airplane off all by itself.
Even an airplane with no alt intercpet and no autothrottle will
eventually settle down at an altitude.


Bertie

[Peter Dohm]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
> :
>
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Viperdoc" > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So, the O2 fueled an already existing fire or caused it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that pumping the oxygen into the system somehow started
>>>> the fire: it probably is a new definition for the term "hot start"
>>>
>>>
>>> Mm, nice.
>>>
>>> You heard about this?
>>>
>>> http://www.gadling.com/2007/12/16/quantas-maintenance-fills-oxygen-
> tan
>>> ks- with-nitrogen/
>>>
>>> Sounds worse than it was, but still....
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>> It appears that they were lucky and the oxygen was'nt needed; but it
>> does remind me of some of the speculation surrunding the Paine Stewart
>> case. Two hypotheses around my local airport were that 1) the tank
>> was inadvertantly filled with nitrogen or 2) that someone misread the
>> labeling on the regulator on/off handle--which is counterintuitively
>> labeled with "on" or "off" and arrows pointing which direction to turn
>> the knob for the desired result. I don't recall whether the case was
>> ever fully resolved; but a lot of pilots found a couple of areas
>> worthy of their maximum vigilance!
>
> Moe likely was they passed out before they even realised they were in
> trouble on that one. More easily done than I'd certainly expect.
>
>
> Bertie

That was also suggested, and could well be the real answer.

Peter

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Peter Dohm" > wrote in news:csYzk.30660$kh2.574
@bignews3.bellsouth.net:

> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> "JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote in message
>>> news:8a4950eac1beb@uwe...
>>>> Peter Dohm wrote:
>>>>>The only difference that would make nitrogen seen really beneficial
>>>>>to me would be in the case of an aircraft which is kept hangared
and
>>>>>seldom operated. Then, if the tire threads last a number of years,
>>>>>and the tires are sheltered from UV radiation, the inert nature of
>>>>>the nitrogen could be usefull.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In theory, perhaps. In practice, tires oxidize from the outside
as
>>>> well
>>>> as
>>>> the inside. I've noticed that every time I've bought expensive,
>>>> long-life tires, they have to be chucked because the sidewalls are
>>>> rotting, even though
>>>> the tread is still good. It's not just air, but pollutants
>>>> (particularly in
>>>> the cities). Ozone, a common urban pollutant, is particularly bad
>>>> for tires.
>>>>
>>>> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>>>>
>>> Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the greenies have
>>> decided that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling oxygen) and
O3
>>> (which is nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are "pollutants"
>>> according to the strange reasoning of their adled brains,
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is an explanation for you.
>>
>>
>> If you find it too difficult to understand I'll have a look around
for
>> the Litle Golden Book of Wonder version for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/globalchange/global_warming/03.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> You are too kind!
>
> BTW, it did make a good case for the expansion of nuclear power--which
I
> have long favored.


No, it didn't.

Maybe if I find something with pictures for you.



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Peter Dohm" > wrote in news:csYzk.30661$kh2.3884
@bignews3.bellsouth.net:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Viperdoc" > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, the O2 fueled an already existing fire or caused it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect that pumping the oxygen into the system somehow started
>>>>> the fire: it probably is a new definition for the term "hot start"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mm, nice.
>>>>
>>>> You heard about this?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.gadling.com/2007/12/16/quantas-maintenance-fills-oxygen-
>> tan
>>>> ks- with-nitrogen/
>>>>
>>>> Sounds worse than it was, but still....
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> It appears that they were lucky and the oxygen was'nt needed; but it
>>> does remind me of some of the speculation surrunding the Paine
Stewart
>>> case. Two hypotheses around my local airport were that 1) the tank
>>> was inadvertantly filled with nitrogen or 2) that someone misread
the
>>> labeling on the regulator on/off handle--which is counterintuitively
>>> labeled with "on" or "off" and arrows pointing which direction to
turn
>>> the knob for the desired result. I don't recall whether the case
was
>>> ever fully resolved; but a lot of pilots found a couple of areas
>>> worthy of their maximum vigilance!
>>
>> Moe likely was they passed out before they even realised they were in
>> trouble on that one. More easily done than I'd certainly expect.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> That was also suggested, and could well be the real answer.


Doesn't really matter. It's done and the only thing that matters is that
all the possibilities are looked at and equipment and training are
geared towards avoiding a repetition of the accident. Easier said than
done.


Bertie
>

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

on 9/16/2008 6:31 PM Peter Dohm said the following:
> Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the greenies have decided
> that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling oxygen) and O3 (which is
> nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are "pollutants" according to the
> strange reasoning of their adled brains, I feel compelled to point out that
> I suggested that the aircraft would be sheltered in a hangar--which would
> protect the outsides of the tires from part of the damage. They still won't
> last until the treads wear out, but it will help.

You're suggesting hangars are so airtight that CO2 and O3 are somehow
sealed away from the tires inside? The effect of O3 on tires is not
through increased UV or global warming. It's direct chemical interaction
with the polymer chains in the rubber compounds.

[Peter Dohm]

"Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
. net...
> on 9/16/2008 6:31 PM Peter Dohm said the following:
>> Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the greenies have
>> decided that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling oxygen) and O3
>> (which is nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are "pollutants" according
>> to the strange reasoning of their adled brains, I feel compelled to point
>> out that I suggested that the aircraft would be sheltered in a
>> hangar--which would protect the outsides of the tires from part of the
>> damage. They still won't last until the treads wear out, but it will
>> help.
>
> You're suggesting hangars are so airtight that CO2 and O3 are somehow
> sealed away from the tires inside? The effect of O3 on tires is not
> through increased UV or global warming. It's direct chemical interaction
> with the polymer chains in the rubber compounds.

Not at all. However, UV is supposedly a player in rubber deterioration.

There is not much you can do about O3, you'll just have to live with it.

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

on 9/16/2008 8:39 PM Peter Dohm said the following:
> "Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
> . net...
>> on 9/16/2008 6:31 PM Peter Dohm said the following:
>>> Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the greenies have
>>> decided that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling oxygen) and O3
>>> (which is nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are "pollutants" according
>>> to the strange reasoning of their adled brains, I feel compelled to point
>>> out that I suggested that the aircraft would be sheltered in a
>>> hangar--which would protect the outsides of the tires from part of the
>>> damage. They still won't last until the treads wear out, but it will
>>> help.
>> You're suggesting hangars are so airtight that CO2 and O3 are somehow
>> sealed away from the tires inside? The effect of O3 on tires is not
>> through increased UV or global warming. It's direct chemical interaction
>> with the polymer chains in the rubber compounds.
>
> Not at all. However, UV is supposedly a player in rubber deterioration.

Via a separate mechanism. That's why tires are made and/or treated with
ozone protection additives.

> There is not much you can do about O3, you'll just have to live with it.

Bull****. Reduce the amount of hydrocarbon and nitrogen oxides emitted
by various sources and you reduce the amount of low-level ozone produced
by their interactions. I'm not talking about the ozone layer here. I
mean the air we're breathing at our level of the atmosphere.

[John Godwin]

"Peter Dohm" > wrote in
:

> In the case of light plane tires, I agree with you that really dry
> air should work well enough to make the issue trivial. But, if
> you need nitrogen for any other reason, it is the cheapest thing
> that I know of in an L bottle or larger and using it in the tires
> may be essentially free--because you may have to pay rental on the
> tanks if they are not refilled at a prescribed interval.

My daughter is a Crew Chief on a C-130 Herc and said that Nitrogen is
used in the struts.

--

[Allen[_1_]]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Peter Dohm" > wrote
>>
>> It appears that they were lucky and the oxygen was'nt needed; but it does
>> remind me of some of the speculation surrunding the Paine Stewart case.
>> Two hypotheses around my local airport were that 1) the tank was
>> inadvertantly filled with nitrogen or 2) that someone misread the
>> labeling on the regulator on/off handle--which is counterintuitively
>> labeled with "on" or "off" and arrows pointing which direction to turn
>> the knob for the desired result. I don't recall whether the case was
>> ever fully resolved; but a lot of pilots found a couple of areas worthy
>> of their maximum vigilance!
>
> Learjets don't use bottled oxygen; they have pressurized air from the
> engines.
>
> --
> Jim in NC

Learjets do indeed use bottled oxygen and it is found in the nose bay area.
There is a thin capillary that runs into the cockpit to a pressure gauge.
The pressure gauge displays the pressure in the tank regardless of whether
the valve is turned on or off. The pressure in the tank can read full on
the ground but at low temperature at altitude will read several hundred
pounds less.

--

*H. Allen Smith*
WACO - We are all here, because we are not all there.

[Peter Dohm]

"Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
. net...
> on 9/16/2008 8:39 PM Peter Dohm said the following:
>> "Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
>> . net...
>>> on 9/16/2008 6:31 PM Peter Dohm said the following:
>>>> Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the greenies have
>>>> decided that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling oxygen) and O3
>>>> (which is nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are "pollutants"
>>>> according to the strange reasoning of their adled brains, I feel
>>>> compelled to point out that I suggested that the aircraft would be
>>>> sheltered in a hangar--which would protect the outsides of the tires
>>>> from part of the damage. They still won't last until the treads wear
>>>> out, but it will help.
>>> You're suggesting hangars are so airtight that CO2 and O3 are somehow
>>> sealed away from the tires inside? The effect of O3 on tires is not
>>> through increased UV or global warming. It's direct chemical interaction
>>> with the polymer chains in the rubber compounds.
>>
>> Not at all. However, UV is supposedly a player in rubber deterioration.
>
> Via a separate mechanism. That's why tires are made and/or treated with
> ozone protection additives.
>
>> There is not much you can do about O3, you'll just have to live with it.
>
> Bull****. Reduce the amount of hydrocarbon and nitrogen oxides emitted by
> various sources and you reduce the amount of low-level ozone produced by
> their interactions. I'm not talking about the ozone layer here. I mean the
> air we're breathing at our level of the atmosphere.

....and YOU are going to accomplish all of that for the good of your tires in
YOUR hangar...

WOW! I'm VERY impressed.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
> . net...
>> on 9/16/2008 8:39 PM Peter Dohm said the following:
>>> "Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
>>> . net...
>>>> on 9/16/2008 6:31 PM Peter Dohm said the following:
>>>>> Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the greenies have
>>>>> decided that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling oxygen) and O3
>>>>> (which is nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are "pollutants"
>>>>> according to the strange reasoning of their adled brains, I feel
>>>>> compelled to point out that I suggested that the aircraft would be
>>>>> sheltered in a hangar--which would protect the outsides of the tires
>>>>> from part of the damage. They still won't last until the treads wear
>>>>> out, but it will help.
>>>> You're suggesting hangars are so airtight that CO2 and O3 are somehow
>>>> sealed away from the tires inside? The effect of O3 on tires is not
>>>> through increased UV or global warming. It's direct chemical
>>>> interaction with the polymer chains in the rubber compounds.
>>>
>>> Not at all. However, UV is supposedly a player in rubber deterioration.
>>
>> Via a separate mechanism. That's why tires are made and/or treated with
>> ozone protection additives.
>>
>>> There is not much you can do about O3, you'll just have to live with it.
>>
>> Bull****. Reduce the amount of hydrocarbon and nitrogen oxides emitted by
>> various sources and you reduce the amount of low-level ozone produced by
>> their interactions. I'm not talking about the ozone layer here. I mean
>> the air we're breathing at our level of the atmosphere.
>
> ...and YOU are going to accomplish all of that for the good of your tires
> in YOUR hangar...
>
> WOW! I'm VERY impressed.
>


Yeah! Me too!

[Peter Dohm]

"John Godwin" > wrote in message
...
> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
> :
>
>> In the case of light plane tires, I agree with you that really dry
>> air should work well enough to make the issue trivial. But, if
>> you need nitrogen for any other reason, it is the cheapest thing
>> that I know of in an L bottle or larger and using it in the tires
>> may be essentially free--because you may have to pay rental on the
>> tanks if they are not refilled at a prescribed interval.
>
> My daughter is a Crew Chief on a C-130 Herc and said that Nitrogen is
> used in the struts.
>
> --

I'm sure that they use nitrogen in the tires as well--even though they run
at less than half of the pressure of a lot of the heavy jets--it just makes
sense to use it when you have it available.

Getting back to the original subject of whether nitrogen behaves in a manner
more like an "ideal gas" than air, aside from the issue of reactivity, the
answer is yes--especially as pressure is increased and/or temperature is
decreased. Basically, it is relatively easy to have nitrogen that is
extremely dry because it it normally dispensed from the top of a very high
pressure storage bottle--with the result that nearly all of any water vapor
and/or CO2 that is in the bottle will be left in a condensed form at the
bottom of the bottle.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Allen" > wrote

> Learjets do indeed use bottled oxygen and it is found in the nose bay
> area. There is a thin capillary that runs into the cockpit to a pressure
> gauge. The pressure gauge displays the pressure in the tank regardless of
> whether the valve is turned on or off. The pressure in the tank can read
> full on the ground but at low temperature at altitude will read several
> hundred pounds less.

They do? For primary breathing air at altitude? Is there no cabin air
pressurization provided by bleed air from the engines?

I'm not doubting your word, just trying to understand. I thought all
bizjets used bleed air to pressurize the cabins.
--
Jim in NC

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

John Godwin > wrote in news:Xns9B1BD7A3321FBAvSvcs@
208.49.82.60:

> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
> :
>
>> In the case of light plane tires, I agree with you that really dry
>> air should work well enough to make the issue trivial. But, if
>> you need nitrogen for any other reason, it is the cheapest thing
>> that I know of in an L bottle or larger and using it in the tires
>> may be essentially free--because you may have to pay rental on the
>> tanks if they are not refilled at a prescribed interval.
>
> My daughter is a Crew Chief on a C-130 Herc and said that Nitrogen is
> used in the struts.
>

Your daughter smokes cigars?



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
>> . net...
>>> on 9/16/2008 8:39 PM Peter Dohm said the following:
>>>> "Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
>>>> . net...
>>>>> on 9/16/2008 6:31 PM Peter Dohm said the following:
>>>>>> Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the greenies
>>>>>> have decided that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling
>>>>>> oxygen) and O3 (which is nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are
>>>>>> "pollutants" according to the strange reasoning of their adled
>>>>>> brains, I feel compelled to point out that I suggested that the
>>>>>> aircraft would be sheltered in a hangar--which would protect the
>>>>>> outsides of the tires from part of the damage. They still won't
>>>>>> last until the treads wear out, but it will help.
>>>>> You're suggesting hangars are so airtight that CO2 and O3 are
>>>>> somehow sealed away from the tires inside? The effect of O3 on
>>>>> tires is not through increased UV or global warming. It's direct
>>>>> chemical interaction with the polymer chains in the rubber
>>>>> compounds.
>>>>
>>>> Not at all. However, UV is supposedly a player in rubber
>>>> deterioration.
>>>
>>> Via a separate mechanism. That's why tires are made and/or treated
>>> with ozone protection additives.
>>>
>>>> There is not much you can do about O3, you'll just have to live
>>>> with it.
>>>
>>> Bull****. Reduce the amount of hydrocarbon and nitrogen oxides
>>> emitted by various sources and you reduce the amount of low-level
>>> ozone produced by their interactions. I'm not talking about the
>>> ozone layer here. I mean the air we're breathing at our level of the
>>> atmosphere.
>>
>> ...and YOU are going to accomplish all of that for the good of your
>> tires in YOUR hangar...
>>
>> WOW! I'm VERY impressed.
>>
>
>
> Yeah! Me too!
>

Enough to distract you from the ball of yarn you were chasing around the
floor?


Bertie

[Bob F.[_2_]]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Allen" > wrote
>
>> Learjets do indeed use bottled oxygen and it is found in the nose bay
>> area. There is a thin capillary that runs into the cockpit to a pressure
>> gauge. The pressure gauge displays the pressure in the tank regardless of
>> whether the valve is turned on or off. The pressure in the tank can read
>> full on the ground but at low temperature at altitude will read several
>> hundred pounds less.
>
> They do? For primary breathing air at altitude? Is there no cabin air
> pressurization provided by bleed air from the engines?
>
> I'm not doubting your word, just trying to understand. I thought all
> bizjets used bleed air to pressurize the cabins.
> --
> Jim in NC
>


All the business jets I know of do use bleed air for cabin pressurization,
and have oxygen bottles for emergency when you have a cabin pressure
failure. You only need enough oxygen to get you down to 10k feet. It would
be nice to be conscious during this phase.

--
Regards, Bob F.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Morgans" > wrote in
:

>
> "Allen" > wrote
>
>> Learjets do indeed use bottled oxygen and it is found in the nose bay
>> area. There is a thin capillary that runs into the cockpit to a
>> pressure gauge. The pressure gauge displays the pressure in the tank
>> regardless of whether the valve is turned on or off. The pressure in
>> the tank can read full on the ground but at low temperature at
>> altitude will read several hundred pounds less.
>
> They do? For primary breathing air at altitude? Is there no cabin
> air pressurization provided by bleed air from the engines?
>
> I'm not doubting your word, just trying to understand. I thought all
> bizjets used bleed air to pressurize the cabins.



They do you idiot. Loss of pressurisation was being discussed.

Learn to read...


Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>
> Learn to read...
>
>
> Bertie

Why you can't.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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> John Godwin > wrote in news:Xns9B1BD7A3321FBAvSvcs@
> 208.49.82.60:
>
>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> In the case of light plane tires, I agree with you that really dry
>>> air should work well enough to make the issue trivial. But, if
>>> you need nitrogen for any other reason, it is the cheapest thing
>>> that I know of in an L bottle or larger and using it in the tires
>>> may be essentially free--because you may have to pay rental on the
>>> tanks if they are not refilled at a prescribed interval.
>>
>> My daughter is a Crew Chief on a C-130 Herc and said that Nitrogen is
>> used in the struts.
>>
>
> Your daughter smokes cigars?
>
>
>
> Bertie

You're a dumb ass.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :

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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Learn to read...
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Why you can't.
>


And you might learn to write.



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> John Godwin > wrote in
>> news:Xns9B1BD7A3321FBAvSvcs@ 208.49.82.60:
>>
>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> In the case of light plane tires, I agree with you that really dry
>>>> air should work well enough to make the issue trivial. But, if
>>>> you need nitrogen for any other reason, it is the cheapest thing
>>>> that I know of in an L bottle or larger and using it in the tires
>>>> may be essentially free--because you may have to pay rental on the
>>>> tanks if they are not refilled at a prescribed interval.
>>>
>>> My daughter is a Crew Chief on a C-130 Herc and said that Nitrogen
>>> is used in the struts.
>>>
>>
>> Your daughter smokes cigars?
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> You're a dumb ass.
>
>
>



Nope.


Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Learn to read...
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>> Why you can't.
>>
>
>
> And you might learn to write.
>
>
>
> Bertie

Why you can't.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :

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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> Learn to read...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> Why you can't.
>>>
>>
>>
>> And you might learn to write.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Why you can't.
>

Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying here, do you, illiterate
boi?



Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> Learn to read...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>>> Why you can't.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And you might learn to write.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>> Why you can't.
>>
>
> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying here, do you, illiterate
> boi?
>
>
>
> Bertie

Why you don't?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :

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>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
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>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Learn to read...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>
>>>>> Why you can't.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you might learn to write.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> Why you can't.
>>>
>>
>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying here, do you,
>> illiterate boi?
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Why you don't?
>

And there it is again..


Good thing there's usually a picture on the mens room door or you'd be
peeing in the transformer room, eh?


Zaaaaaaapppp!



Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Learn to read...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why you can't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And you might learn to write.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>>> Why you can't.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying here, do you,
>>> illiterate boi?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>> Why you don't?
>>
>
> And there it is again..
>
>
> Good thing there's usually a picture on the mens room door or you'd be
> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
>
>
> Zaaaaaaapppp!
>
>
>
> Bertie
>

Why not you do.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
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>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why you can't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>
>>>>> Why you can't.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying here, do you,
>>>> illiterate boi?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> Why you don't?
>>>
>>
>> And there it is again..
>>
>>
>> Good thing there's usually a picture on the mens room door or you'd be
>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
>>
>>
>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>
> Why not you do.
>

And this my good friends, is how you keep a moron busy for 30 minutes.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :

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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:fUgAk.14183$Dj1.8609
@newsfe01.iad:
>>
>>>
>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why you can't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>
>>>>> Why you can't.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying here, do you,
>>>> illiterate boi?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> Why you don't?
>>>
>>
>> And there it is again..
>>
>>
>> Good thing there's usually a picture on the mens room door or you'd
be
>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
>>
>>
>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>
> Why not you do.
>


Aww, and now you cuttin and pasting your replies..



Bwawahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahh wha!


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :

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> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:fUgAk.14183$Dj1.8609
@newsfe01.iad:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why you can't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why you can't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying here, do you,
>>>>> illiterate boi?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>>> Why you don't?
>>>>
>>>
>>> And there it is again..
>>>
>>>
>>> Good thing there's usually a picture on the mens room door or you'd
be
>>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
>>>
>>>
>>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>>
>> Why not you do.
>>
>
> And this my good friends, is how you keep a moron busy for 30 minutes.
>

aww, give me some credit Maxine. It's been months now.







bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> Aww, and now you cuttin and pasting your replies..
>
>
>
> Bwawahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahh wha!
>
>
> Bertie

Learn to read. I didn't cut and paste anything. Just your head rattling
again.

[Rich Ahrens[_2_]]

on 9/17/2008 8:58 AM Peter Dohm said the following:
> "Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
> . net...
>> on 9/16/2008 8:39 PM Peter Dohm said the following:
>>> "Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
>>> . net...
>>>> on 9/16/2008 6:31 PM Peter Dohm said the following:
>>>>> Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the greenies have
>>>>> decided that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling oxygen) and O3
>>>>> (which is nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are "pollutants"
>>>>> according to the strange reasoning of their adled brains, I feel
>>>>> compelled to point out that I suggested that the aircraft would be
>>>>> sheltered in a hangar--which would protect the outsides of the tires
>>>>> from part of the damage. They still won't last until the treads wear
>>>>> out, but it will help.
>>>> You're suggesting hangars are so airtight that CO2 and O3 are somehow
>>>> sealed away from the tires inside? The effect of O3 on tires is not
>>>> through increased UV or global warming. It's direct chemical interaction
>>>> with the polymer chains in the rubber compounds.
>>> Not at all. However, UV is supposedly a player in rubber deterioration.
>> Via a separate mechanism. That's why tires are made and/or treated with
>> ozone protection additives.
>>
>>> There is not much you can do about O3, you'll just have to live with it.
>> Bull****. Reduce the amount of hydrocarbon and nitrogen oxides emitted by
>> various sources and you reduce the amount of low-level ozone produced by
>> their interactions. I'm not talking about the ozone layer here. I mean the
>> air we're breathing at our level of the atmosphere.
>
> ...and YOU are going to accomplish all of that for the good of your tires in
> YOUR hangar...
>
> WOW! I'm VERY impressed.

Whoosh...

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>>
>> Aww, and now you cuttin and pasting your replies..
>>
>>
>>
>> Bwawahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahh wha!
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Learn to read.


I know how. Read many many books.



I didn't cut and paste anything. Just your head rattling
> again.
>


Yeh, OK illiterate boi.


Bertie

[Allen[_1_]]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Allen" > wrote
>
>> Learjets do indeed use bottled oxygen and it is found in the nose bay
>> area. There is a thin capillary that runs into the cockpit to a pressure
>> gauge. The pressure gauge displays the pressure in the tank regardless of
>> whether the valve is turned on or off. The pressure in the tank can read
>> full on the ground but at low temperature at altitude will read several
>> hundred pounds less.
>
> They do? For primary breathing air at altitude? Is there no cabin air
> pressurization provided by bleed air from the engines?
>
> I'm not doubting your word, just trying to understand. I thought all
> bizjets used bleed air to pressurize the cabins.
> --
> Jim in NC


I am sorry Jim, the O2 is for emergency use. The cabin is pressurized from
engine bleed air. The O2 masks drop from the ceiling at 14K' cabin altitude
just like the airliners.

--

*H. Allen Smith*
WACO - We are all here, because we are not all there.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Bob F." > wrote in
> :
>
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Viperdoc" > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> The thread on brakes raised a question from the past- why nitrogen
>>>> in the tires of big jets and heavies? Air is around 78% nitrogen
>>>> anyway, and the coefficient of expansion of the remaining 20% that's
>>>> oxygen can't make that much difference in volume.
>>>>
>>>> Why not just use dry air? I couldn't imagine that dry air or dry
>>>> nitrogen could make that much difference in corrosion, either.
>>>>
>>>> I seem to recall someone giving me the rationale for this a long
>>>> time ago, but also seem to remember thinking it didn't make that
>>>> much sense at the time.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, the greasemonkies say it preserves the rubber. Having said that
>>> we go
>>> through them pretty quick and even considering retreads there
>>> wouldn't be years of exposure or anything..
>>> Wheel fires may be another good reason...
>>>
>>>
>>> bertie
>>
>>
>> Right, they are called Napoleon tires. You heard of "Napoleon Blown
>> Apart" haven't you. :-)
>>
>
> groan!
>
>
> A guy i used to work with witnessed the aftermath of someone trying to
> fill a 707 nosewheel wiht an incorrect type reduction on the bottle. The
> guy was pretty much vaporised. My friend spent months as a witness in
> the subsequent lawsuit.
>
> Bertie

You're a cross posting dumb ass.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk @See My Sig.com> wrote in
> :
>
>> "Viperdoc" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> <...>
>>>
>>> Need to see the aging data on rubber kept in air versus nitrogen.
>>>
>>
>> I've seen it at work, fwiw. Some difference.
>>
>> But, for car tires, I would say there is more hype than benefit.
>>
>
> Used to put it in the tires of my light plane, mostly because it was
> free.
> I flew off grass and reckoned they'd rot before I wore them out anyway, so
> I might as well get the most bang for the buck out of the tires.
>
>
> Bertie

You're a cross posting dumb ass.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in news:csYzk.30660$kh2.574
> @bignews3.bellsouth.net:
>
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> "JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote in message
>>>> news:8a4950eac1beb@uwe...
>>>>> Peter Dohm wrote:
>>>>>>The only difference that would make nitrogen seen really beneficial
>>>>>>to me would be in the case of an aircraft which is kept hangared
> and
>>>>>>seldom operated. Then, if the tire threads last a number of years,
>>>>>>and the tires are sheltered from UV radiation, the inert nature of
>>>>>>the nitrogen could be usefull.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In theory, perhaps. In practice, tires oxidize from the outside
> as
>>>>> well
>>>>> as
>>>>> the inside. I've noticed that every time I've bought expensive,
>>>>> long-life tires, they have to be chucked because the sidewalls are
>>>>> rotting, even though
>>>>> the tread is still good. It's not just air, but pollutants
>>>>> (particularly in
>>>>> the cities). Ozone, a common urban pollutant, is particularly bad
>>>>> for tires.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>>>>>
>>>> Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the greenies have
>>>> decided that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling oxygen) and
> O3
>>>> (which is nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are "pollutants"
>>>> according to the strange reasoning of their adled brains,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is an explanation for you.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you find it too difficult to understand I'll have a look around
> for
>>> the Litle Golden Book of Wonder version for you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/globalchange/global_warming/03.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>> You are too kind!
>>
>> BTW, it did make a good case for the expansion of nuclear power--which
> I
>> have long favored.
>
>
> No, it didn't.
>
> Maybe if I find something with pictures for you.
>
>
>
> Bertie
>
>
>

You're a cross posting dumb ass.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in news:csYzk.30661$kh2.3884
> @bignews3.bellsouth.net:
>
>>
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Viperdoc" > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, the O2 fueled an already existing fire or caused it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect that pumping the oxygen into the system somehow started
>>>>>> the fire: it probably is a new definition for the term "hot start"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mm, nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> You heard about this?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.gadling.com/2007/12/16/quantas-maintenance-fills-oxygen-
>>> tan
>>>>> ks- with-nitrogen/
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds worse than it was, but still....
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>>> It appears that they were lucky and the oxygen was'nt needed; but it
>>>> does remind me of some of the speculation surrunding the Paine
> Stewart
>>>> case. Two hypotheses around my local airport were that 1) the tank
>>>> was inadvertantly filled with nitrogen or 2) that someone misread
> the
>>>> labeling on the regulator on/off handle--which is counterintuitively
>>>> labeled with "on" or "off" and arrows pointing which direction to
> turn
>>>> the knob for the desired result. I don't recall whether the case
> was
>>>> ever fully resolved; but a lot of pilots found a couple of areas
>>>> worthy of their maximum vigilance!
>>>
>>> Moe likely was they passed out before they even realised they were in
>>> trouble on that one. More easily done than I'd certainly expect.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>> That was also suggested, and could well be the real answer.
>
>
> Doesn't really matter. It's done and the only thing that matters is that
> all the possibilities are looked at and equipment and training are
> geared towards avoiding a repetition of the accident. Easier said than
> done.
>
>
> Bertie
>>
>

You're a cross posting dumb ass.

[Mick[_2_]]

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> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
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>>> "Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
>>> . net...
>>>> on 9/16/2008 8:39 PM Peter Dohm said the following:
>>>>> "Rich Ahrens" > wrote in message
>>>>> . net...
>>>>>> on 9/16/2008 6:31 PM Peter Dohm said the following:
>>>>>>> Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the greenies
>>>>>>> have decided that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling
>>>>>>> oxygen) and O3 (which is nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are
>>>>>>> "pollutants" according to the strange reasoning of their adled
>>>>>>> brains, I feel compelled to point out that I suggested that the
>>>>>>> aircraft would be sheltered in a hangar--which would protect the
>>>>>>> outsides of the tires from part of the damage. They still won't
>>>>>>> last until the treads wear out, but it will help.
>>>>>> You're suggesting hangars are so airtight that CO2 and O3 are
>>>>>> somehow sealed away from the tires inside? The effect of O3 on
>>>>>> tires is not through increased UV or global warming. It's direct
>>>>>> chemical interaction with the polymer chains in the rubber
>>>>>> compounds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not at all. However, UV is supposedly a player in rubber
>>>>> deterioration.
>>>>
>>>> Via a separate mechanism. That's why tires are made and/or treated
>>>> with ozone protection additives.
>>>>
>>>>> There is not much you can do about O3, you'll just have to live
>>>>> with it.
>>>>
>>>> Bull****. Reduce the amount of hydrocarbon and nitrogen oxides
>>>> emitted by various sources and you reduce the amount of low-level
>>>> ozone produced by their interactions. I'm not talking about the
>>>> ozone layer here. I mean the air we're breathing at our level of the
>>>> atmosphere.
>>>
>>> ...and YOU are going to accomplish all of that for the good of your
>>> tires in YOUR hangar...
>>>
>>> WOW! I'm VERY impressed.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah! Me too!
>>
>
> Enough to distract you from the ball of yarn you were chasing around the
> floor?
>
>
> Bertie
>

You're a cross posting dumb ass.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
>
>>
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> John Godwin > wrote in
>>> news:Xns9B1BD7A3321FBAvSvcs@ 208.49.82.60:
>>>
>>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> In the case of light plane tires, I agree with you that really dry
>>>>> air should work well enough to make the issue trivial. But, if
>>>>> you need nitrogen for any other reason, it is the cheapest thing
>>>>> that I know of in an L bottle or larger and using it in the tires
>>>>> may be essentially free--because you may have to pay rental on the
>>>>> tanks if they are not refilled at a prescribed interval.
>>>>
>>>> My daughter is a Crew Chief on a C-130 Herc and said that Nitrogen
>>>> is used in the struts.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Your daughter smokes cigars?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>> You're a dumb ass.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Nope.
>
>
> Bertie

You're a cross posting dumb ass.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
>
>>
>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:fUgAk.14183$Dj1.8609
> @newsfe01.iad:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why you can't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why you can't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying here, do you,
>>>>>> illiterate boi?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>
>>>>> Why you don't?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And there it is again..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good thing there's usually a picture on the mens room door or you'd
> be
>>>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why not you do.
>>>
>>
>> And this my good friends, is how you keep a moron busy for 30 minutes.
>>
>
> aww, give me some credit Maxine. It's been months now.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> bertie

You're a cross posting dumb ass.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
>
>>
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>>
>>> Aww, and now you cuttin and pasting your replies..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bwawahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahh wha!
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>> Learn to read.
>
>
> I know how. Read many many books.
>
>
>
> I didn't cut and paste anything. Just your head rattling
>> again.
>>
>
>
> Yeh, OK illiterate boi.
>
>
> Bertie


You're a cross posting dumb ass.

[a[_3_]]

On Sep 18, 5:01*pm, "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote:
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in .com...
>
>
>
> > "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote :
>
> >> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
> >>> Aww, and now you cuttin and pasting your replies..
>
> >>> Bwawahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahh wha!
>
> >>> Bertie
>
> >> Learn to read.
>
> > I know how. Read many many books.
>
> > I didn't cut and paste anything. Just your head rattling
> >> again.
>
> > Yeh, OK illiterate boi.
>
> > Bertie
>
> You're a cross posting dumb ass.

feel better?

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Allen" > wrote

> I am sorry Jim, the O2 is for emergency use. The cabin is pressurized
> from engine bleed air. The O2 masks drop from the ceiling at 14K' cabin
> altitude just like the airliners.

Yep, that's what I thought.

Sorry you misunderstood me, and I misunderstood you.

This went back to the possibility of oxy causing the Payne Stewart crash,
when I replied it was not likely because that was believed to be a primary
pressurization problem.
--
Jim in NC

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...

****y shot of your wife Butlipps, she's looked better.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
|
| Doubt it. Would you ever feel better if you were maxie?
|
| Bertie

Maxie feel fine.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:86hAk.14226$Dj1.12895
| @newsfe01.iad:
| >>
| >>>
| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >>> .. .
| >>>>
| >>>> Aww, and now you cuttin and pasting your replies..
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> Bwawahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahh wha!
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> Bertie
| >>>
| >>> Learn to read.
| >>
| >>
| >> I know how. Read many many books.
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> I didn't cut and paste anything. Just your head rattling
| >>> again.
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >> Yeh, OK illiterate boi.
| >>
| >>
| >> Bertie
| >
| >
| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >
| >
| >
|
| Snort!
|
| bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:Z0hAk.14223$Dj1.9558
| @newsfe01.iad:
| >>
| >>>
| >>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
| >>> ...
| >>>>
| >>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >>>> .. .
| >>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:fUgAk.14183$Dj1.8609
| >> @newsfe01.iad:
| >>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >>>>>> ...
| >>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >>>>>>> :
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >>>>>>>> ...
| >>>>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >>>>>>>>> :
| >>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >>>>>>>>>> ...
| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
| >>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying here, do you,
| >>>>>>> illiterate boi?
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>> Bertie
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> Why you don't?
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>> And there it is again..
| >>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>> Good thing there's usually a picture on the mens room door or
| you'd
| >> be
| >>>>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
| >>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
| >>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>> Bertie
| >>>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> Why not you do.
| >>>>
| >>>
| >>> And this my good friends, is how you keep a moron busy for 30
| minutes.
| >>>
| >>
| >> aww, give me some credit Maxine. It's been months now.
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> bertie
| >
| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >
| >
| >
|
| Oh no! You're wearing me down!
|
| Stoooooop!
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in news:csYzk.30661
| $kh2.3884
| >> @bignews3.bellsouth.net:
| >>
| >>>
| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >>> ...
| >>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
| >>>> :
| >>>>
| >>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >>>>> ...
| >>>>>> "Viperdoc" > wrote in
| >>>>>> :
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>> So, the O2 fueled an already existing fire or caused it?
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>> I suspect that pumping the oxygen into the system somehow
| started
| >>>>>>> the fire: it probably is a new definition for the term "hot
| start"
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> Mm, nice.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> You heard about this?
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> http://www.gadling.com/2007/12/16/quantas-maintenance-fills-
| oxygen-
| >>>> tan
| >>>>>> ks- with-nitrogen/
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> Sounds worse than it was, but still....
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> Bertie
| >>>>>
| >>>>> It appears that they were lucky and the oxygen was'nt needed; but
| it
| >>>>> does remind me of some of the speculation surrunding the Paine
| >> Stewart
| >>>>> case. Two hypotheses around my local airport were that 1) the
| tank
| >>>>> was inadvertantly filled with nitrogen or 2) that someone misread
| >> the
| >>>>> labeling on the regulator on/off handle--which is
| counterintuitively
| >>>>> labeled with "on" or "off" and arrows pointing which direction to
| >> turn
| >>>>> the knob for the desired result. I don't recall whether the case
| >> was
| >>>>> ever fully resolved; but a lot of pilots found a couple of areas
| >>>>> worthy of their maximum vigilance!
| >>>>
| >>>> Moe likely was they passed out before they even realised they were
| in
| >>>> trouble on that one. More easily done than I'd certainly expect.
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> Bertie
| >>>
| >>> That was also suggested, and could well be the real answer.
| >>
| >>
| >> Doesn't really matter. It's done and the only thing that matters is
| that
| >> all the possibilities are looked at and equipment and training are
| >> geared towards avoiding a repetition of the accident. Easier said
| than
| >> done.
| >>
| >>
| >> Bertie
| >>>
| >>
| >
| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >
| >
| >
|
| Guess again fjukkktard.
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in news:csYzk.30660
| $kh2.574
| >> @bignews3.bellsouth.net:
| >>
| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >>> ...
| >>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
| >>>> :
| >>>>
| >>>>> "JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote in message
| >>>>> news:8a4950eac1beb@uwe...
| >>>>>> Peter Dohm wrote:
| >>>>>>>The only difference that would make nitrogen seen really
| beneficial
| >>>>>>>to me would be in the case of an aircraft which is kept hangared
| >> and
| >>>>>>>seldom operated. Then, if the tire threads last a number of
| years,
| >>>>>>>and the tires are sheltered from UV radiation, the inert nature
| of
| >>>>>>>the nitrogen could be usefull.
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> In theory, perhaps. In practice, tires oxidize from the outside
| >> as
| >>>>>> well
| >>>>>> as
| >>>>>> the inside. I've noticed that every time I've bought expensive,
| >>>>>> long-life tires, they have to be chucked because the sidewalls
| are
| >>>>>> rotting, even though
| >>>>>> the tread is still good. It's not just air, but pollutants
| >>>>>> (particularly in
| >>>>>> the cities). Ozone, a common urban pollutant, is particularly
| bad
| >>>>>> for tires.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
| >>>>>>
| >>>>> Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the greenies
| have
| >>>>> decided that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling oxygen) and
| >> O3
| >>>>> (which is nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are "pollutants"
| >>>>> according to the strange reasoning of their adled brains,
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> Here is an explanation for you.
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> If you find it too difficult to understand I'll have a look around
| >> for
| >>>> the Litle Golden Book of Wonder version for you.
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/globalchange/global_warming/03.html
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> Bertie
| >>>
| >>> You are too kind!
| >>>
| >>> BTW, it did make a good case for the expansion of nuclear power--
| which
| >> I
| >>> have long favored.
| >>
| >>
| >> No, it didn't.
| >>
| >> Maybe if I find something with pictures for you.
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> Bertie
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >
| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >
| >
| >
|
| Shooting for another AUP violation fjukkkwit?
|
| Bertie''

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >> "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk @See My Sig.com> wrote in
| >> :
| >>
| >>> "Viperdoc" > wrote in message
| >>> ...
| >>> <...>
| >>>>
| >>>> Need to see the aging data on rubber kept in air versus nitrogen.
| >>>>
| >>>
| >>> I've seen it at work, fwiw. Some difference.
| >>>
| >>> But, for car tires, I would say there is more hype than benefit.
| >>>
| >>
| >> Used to put it in the tires of my light plane, mostly because it was
| >> free.
| >> I flew off grass and reckoned they'd rot before I wore them out
| >> anyway, so I might as well get the most bang for the buck out of the
| >> tires.
| >>
| >>
| >> Bertie
| >
| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >
| >
| >
|
| Snort!
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:bBgAk.13838$Dj1.12866
| @newsfe01.iad:
| >>
| >>>
| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >>> ...
| >>>> John Godwin > wrote in
| >>>> news:Xns9B1BD7A3321FBAvSvcs@ 208.49.82.60:
| >>>>
| >>>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
| >>>>> :
| >>>>>
| >>>>>> In the case of light plane tires, I agree with you that really
| dry
| >>>>>> air should work well enough to make the issue trivial. But, if
| >>>>>> you need nitrogen for any other reason, it is the cheapest thing
| >>>>>> that I know of in an L bottle or larger and using it in the tires
| >>>>>> may be essentially free--because you may have to pay rental on
| the
| >>>>>> tanks if they are not refilled at a prescribed interval.
| >>>>>
| >>>>> My daughter is a Crew Chief on a C-130 Herc and said that Nitrogen
| >>>>> is used in the struts.
| >>>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> Your daughter smokes cigars?
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> Bertie
| >>>
| >>> You're a dumb ass.
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> Nope.
| >>
| >>
| >> Bertie
| >
| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >
| >
| >
|
| Please stop! You're hurting meeeeeee!
|
|
|
| Bwahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwh!
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >> "Bob F." > wrote in
| >> :
| >>
| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >>> ...
| >>>> "Viperdoc" > wrote in
| >>>> :
| >>>>
| >>>>> The thread on brakes raised a question from the past- why nitrogen
| >>>>> in the tires of big jets and heavies? Air is around 78% nitrogen
| >>>>> anyway, and the coefficient of expansion of the remaining 20%
| that's
| >>>>> oxygen can't make that much difference in volume.
| >>>>>
| >>>>> Why not just use dry air? I couldn't imagine that dry air or dry
| >>>>> nitrogen could make that much difference in corrosion, either.
| >>>>>
| >>>>> I seem to recall someone giving me the rationale for this a long
| >>>>> time ago, but also seem to remember thinking it didn't make that
| >>>>> much sense at the time.
| >>>>>
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> Well, the greasemonkies say it preserves the rubber. Having said
| that
| >>>> we go
| >>>> through them pretty quick and even considering retreads there
| >>>> wouldn't be years of exposure or anything..
| >>>> Wheel fires may be another good reason...
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> bertie
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> Right, they are called Napoleon tires. You heard of "Napoleon Blown
| >>> Apart" haven't you. :-)
| >>>
| >>
| >> groan!
| >>
| >>
| >> A guy i used to work with witnessed the aftermath of someone trying
| to
| >> fill a 707 nosewheel wiht an incorrect type reduction on the bottle.
| The
| >> guy was pretty much vaporised. My friend spent months as a witness in
| >> the subsequent lawsuit.
| >>
| >> Bertie
| >
| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >
| >
| >
|
| And you're a fjukktard wannbe just about anythign.
|
| Bertie









































































































































Give'm hell, Squirty ****drip.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .

|
| Bertie

I love the radical cross posts. Shows your lever of desperation.

Calling all kooks, calling all kooks. I'm getting my ass kicked, I need back
up!

[Viperdoc[_5_]]

Mick:

Not to change the subject, but why do you think nitrogen is better than dry
air for tires and struts?

[Mick[_2_]]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in message
...
| Mick:
|
| Not to change the subject, but why do you think nitrogen is better than
dry
| air for tires and struts?
|
|

Proven results in high performance use.

[Viperdoc[_5_]]

>
> Proven results in high performance use.

Have you trained at the Anthony Atkielski School of Circular Logic? Would
you care to cite some actual data that says nitrogen is superior to dry air
for tires or struts?

My hypothesis is that nitrogen or argon is in some way superior to dry air
is simply an old wive's tale, not substantiated by data. So far, I have
heard a lot of rationales, but not seen any data. In graduate school in
organic chemistry, we used dry nitrogen or argon to distill a variety of
compounds that were sensitive to water (nothing like distilling
tetrahydrofuran over sodium metal to remove even trace water). It was like
an explosion waiting to happen.

None of the posts I have read has offered a logical explanation as to why
nitrogen is superior in some way to dry air.

If you think you, or anyone else has something to add to this topic, please
feel free.

I could give a **** about you or Bertie, the logic of those interactions has
long been gone. I challenge you or anyone else to give some information that
actually educates the rest of us, because I honestly don't know the answer.
>
>

[Jim Logajan]

"Viperdoc" > wrote:
> My hypothesis is that nitrogen or argon is in some way superior to dry
> air is simply an old wive's tale, not substantiated by data. So far, I
> have heard a lot of rationales, but not seen any data.

The following research paper has data and a conclusion:

"Effects of Nitrogen Inflation on Tire Aging and Performance"
By John M. Baldwin
David R. Bauer
Kevin R. Ellwood
Ford Motor Company

Presented at a meeting of the
Rubber Division, American Chemical Society
Grand Rapids, MI
May 17-19, 2004

It shouldn't be hard to find. It's on the web.

[Robert M. Gary]

On Sep 16, 4:04*pm, "Vaughn Simon" >
wrote:
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in ...
>
> >I just got new tires for my wife's car. They're usnig Nitrogen too.
> >They put green caps on the valve steam to show its not air.
>
> * *Yes, those green caps have proven to be much better at keeping the snake oil
> inside the tire where it belongs. *Also, I have never once seen a car with green
> valve stem caps get attacked by elephants, (but that is just anecdotal evidence
> and your experience may vary).

Well the Nitrogen they used was free so I reallly don't care too much
if its better or not.

-Robert

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Morgans" > wrote in
:

>
> "Allen" > wrote
>
>> I am sorry Jim, the O2 is for emergency use. The cabin is
>> pressurized from engine bleed air. The O2 masks drop from the
>> ceiling at 14K' cabin altitude just like the airliners.
>
> Yep, that's what I thought.
>
> Sorry you misunderstood me, and I misunderstood you.
>
> This went back to the possibility of oxy causing the Payne Stewart
> crash, when I replied it was not likely because that was believed to
> be a primary pressurization problem.


That isn't what you replied.


Bertie

[Allen[_1_]]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Allen" > wrote
>
>> I am sorry Jim, the O2 is for emergency use. The cabin is pressurized
>> from engine bleed air. The O2 masks drop from the ceiling at 14K' cabin
>> altitude just like the airliners.
>
> Yep, that's what I thought.
>
> Sorry you misunderstood me, and I misunderstood you.
>
> This went back to the possibility of oxy causing the Payne Stewart crash,
> when I replied it was not likely because that was believed to be a primary
> pressurization problem.
> --
> Jim in NC

The Lear does have an emergency pressurization system. When the cabin
altitude reaches (I believe) 12,000' there is a valve that opens and puts
full, uncooled bleed air into the cabin. There is no mistaking when this
happens; it is loud and it is hot.

--

*H. Allen Smith*
WACO - We are all here, because we are not all there.

[Mick[_2_]]

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| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:bBgAk.13838$Dj1.12866
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| >| >>
| >| >>>
| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >>> ...
| >| >>>> John Godwin > wrote in
| >| >>>> news:Xns9B1BD7A3321FBAvSvcs@ 208.49.82.60:
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
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| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>>> In the case of light plane tires, I agree with you that really
| >| dry
| >| >>>>>> air should work well enough to make the issue trivial. But,
| if
| >| >>>>>> you need nitrogen for any other reason, it is the cheapest
| thing
| >| >>>>>> that I know of in an L bottle or larger and using it in the
| tires
| >| >>>>>> may be essentially free--because you may have to pay rental on
| >| the
| >| >>>>>> tanks if they are not refilled at a prescribed interval.
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>> My daughter is a Crew Chief on a C-130 Herc and said that
| Nitrogen
| >| >>>>> is used in the struts.
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>> Your daughter smokes cigars?
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >>>
| >| >>> You're a dumb ass.
| >| >>>
| >| >>>
| >| >>>
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >> Nope.
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >> Bertie
| >| >
| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Please stop! You're hurting meeeeeee!
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bwahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwh!
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| Lame UPA!
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| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

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| > ****y shot of your wife Butlipps, she's looked better.
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| awww, another IKYABWAI poast.
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| Lame, Maxine.
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| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

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| > "Allen" > wrote
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| >> I am sorry Jim, the O2 is for emergency use. The cabin is
| >> pressurized from engine bleed air. The O2 masks drop from the
| >> ceiling at 14K' cabin altitude just like the airliners.
| >
| > Yep, that's what I thought.
| >
| > Sorry you misunderstood me, and I misunderstood you.
| >
| > This went back to the possibility of oxy causing the Payne Stewart
| > crash, when I replied it was not likely because that was believed to
| > be a primary pressurization problem.
|
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| That isn't what you replied.
|
|
| Bertie
|

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| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:86hAk.14226$Dj1.12895
| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >>
| >| >>>
| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >>> .. .
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>> Aww, and now you cuttin and pasting your replies..
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>> Bwawahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahh wha!
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >>>
| >| >>> Learn to read.
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >> I know how. Read many many books.
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >> I didn't cut and paste anything. Just your head rattling
| >| >>> again.
| >| >>>
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >> Yeh, OK illiterate boi.
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >> Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Snort!
| >|
| >| bertie
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| Snort!
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|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

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| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:Z0hAk.14223$Dj1.9558
| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >>
| >| >>>
| >| >>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
| >| >>> ...
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >>>> .. .
| >| >>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:fUgAk.14183$Dj1.8609
| >| >> @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>>>
| >| >>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >>>>>> ...
| >| >>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >>>>>>> :
| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >>>>>>>> ...
| >| >>>>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >>>>>>>>> :
| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >>>>>>>>>> ...
| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying here, do
| >| >>>>>>> you, illiterate boi?
| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >>>>>>
| >| >>>>>> Why you don't?
| >| >>>>>>
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>> And there it is again..
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>> Good thing there's usually a picture on the mens room door or
| >| you'd
| >| >> be
| >| >>>>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>> Bertie
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>> Why not you do.
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>
| >| >>> And this my good friends, is how you keep a moron busy for 30
| >| minutes.
| >| >>>
| >| >>
| >| >> aww, give me some credit Maxine. It's been months now.
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >> bertie
| >| >
| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Oh no! You're wearing me down!
| >|
| >| Stoooooop!
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| I'm sooooo tired!
|
|
| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwha!
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

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| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in news:csYzk.30661
| >| $kh2.3884
| >| >> @bignews3.bellsouth.net:
| >| >>
| >| >>>
| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >>> ...
| >| >>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
| >| >>>> :
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >>>>> ...
| >| >>>>>> "Viperdoc" > wrote in
| >| >>>>>> :
| >| >>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>> So, the O2 fueled an already existing fire or caused it?
| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>> I suspect that pumping the oxygen into the system somehow
| >| started
| >| >>>>>>> the fire: it probably is a new definition for the term "hot
| >| start"
| >| >>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>
| >| >>>>>> Mm, nice.
| >| >>>>>>
| >| >>>>>> You heard about this?
| >| >>>>>>
| >| >>>>>> http://www.gadling.com/2007/12/16/quantas-maintenance-fills-
| >| oxygen-
| >| >>>> tan
| >| >>>>>> ks- with-nitrogen/
| >| >>>>>>
| >| >>>>>> Sounds worse than it was, but still....
| >| >>>>>>
| >| >>>>>> Bertie
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>> It appears that they were lucky and the oxygen was'nt needed;
| >| >>>>> but
| >| it
| >| >>>>> does remind me of some of the speculation surrunding the Paine
| >| >> Stewart
| >| >>>>> case. Two hypotheses around my local airport were that 1) the
| >| tank
| >| >>>>> was inadvertantly filled with nitrogen or 2) that someone
| >| >>>>> misread
| >| >> the
| >| >>>>> labeling on the regulator on/off handle--which is
| >| counterintuitively
| >| >>>>> labeled with "on" or "off" and arrows pointing which direction
| >| >>>>> to
| >| >> turn
| >| >>>>> the knob for the desired result. I don't recall whether the
| >| >>>>> case
| >| >> was
| >| >>>>> ever fully resolved; but a lot of pilots found a couple of
| >| >>>>> areas worthy of their maximum vigilance!
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>> Moe likely was they passed out before they even realised they
| >| >>>> were
| >| in
| >| >>>> trouble on that one. More easily done than I'd certainly expect.
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >>>
| >| >>> That was also suggested, and could well be the real answer.
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >> Doesn't really matter. It's done and the only thing that matters
| >| >> is
| >| that
| >| >> all the possibilities are looked at and equipment and training are
| >| >> geared towards avoiding a repetition of the accident. Easier said
| >| than
| >| >> done.
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >> Bertie
| >| >>>
| >| >>
| >| >
| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Guess again fjukkktard.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| Guess again fjukkktard.
|
|
|
| Bertie

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| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in news:csYzk.30660
| >| $kh2.574
| >| >> @bignews3.bellsouth.net:
| >| >>
| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >>> ...
| >| >>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
| >| >>>> :
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>> "JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote in message
| >| >>>>> news:8a4950eac1beb@uwe...
| >| >>>>>> Peter Dohm wrote:
| >| >>>>>>>The only difference that would make nitrogen seen really
| >| beneficial
| >| >>>>>>>to me would be in the case of an aircraft which is kept
| >| >>>>>>>hangared
| >| >> and
| >| >>>>>>>seldom operated. Then, if the tire threads last a number of
| >| years,
| >| >>>>>>>and the tires are sheltered from UV radiation, the inert
| >| >>>>>>>nature
| >| of
| >| >>>>>>>the nitrogen could be usefull.
| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >>>>>>
| >| >>>>>> In theory, perhaps. In practice, tires oxidize from the
| >| >>>>>> outside
| >| >> as
| >| >>>>>> well
| >| >>>>>> as
| >| >>>>>> the inside. I've noticed that every time I've bought
| >| >>>>>> expensive, long-life tires, they have to be chucked because
| >| >>>>>> the sidewalls
| >| are
| >| >>>>>> rotting, even though
| >| >>>>>> the tread is still good. It's not just air, but pollutants
| >| >>>>>> (particularly in
| >| >>>>>> the cities). Ozone, a common urban pollutant, is particularly
| >| bad
| >| >>>>>> for tires.
| >| >>>>>>
| >| >>>>>> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
| >| >>>>>>
| >| >>>>> Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the greenies
| >| have
| >| >>>>> decided that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling oxygen)
| >| >>>>> and
| >| >> O3
| >| >>>>> (which is nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are "pollutants"
| >| >>>>> according to the strange reasoning of their adled brains,
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>> Here is an explanation for you.
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>> If you find it too difficult to understand I'll have a look
| >| >>>> around
| >| >> for
| >| >>>> the Litle Golden Book of Wonder version for you.
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>> http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/globalchange/global_warming/03.html
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >>>
| >| >>> You are too kind!
| >| >>>
| >| >>> BTW, it did make a good case for the expansion of nuclear power--
| >| which
| >| >> I
| >| >>> have long favored.
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >> No, it didn't.
| >| >>
| >| >> Maybe if I find something with pictures for you.
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >> Bertie
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >
| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Shooting for another AUP violation fjukkkwit?
| >|
| >| Bertie''
| >
|
|
| Snort!
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

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| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:21:01 -0500
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| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| Bertie
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| > I love the radical cross posts. Shows your lever of desperation.
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| Actually, it just shows the level of enertainment you're providing. I
| don;t get desperate, maxine....
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| > Calling all kooks, calling all kooks. I'm getting my ass kicked, I
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| Bertie
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[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619353
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| > 04:14:58 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:14:58 UTC
| > Organization: Cox
| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:14:51 -0500
| >
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| > "Viperdoc" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| Mick:
| >|
| >| Not to change the subject, but why do you think nitrogen is better
| >| than
| > dry
| >| air for tires and struts?
| >|
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| > Proven results in high performance use.
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| But you said before that it wasn't true, fjukkktard.
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| Make up your so called mind Maxine.
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| Bertie
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|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619346
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| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
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| > 02:09:42 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:09:42 UTC
| > Organization: Cox
| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:09:35 -0500
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| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >> "Bob F." > wrote in
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| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >>> ...
| >| >>>> "Viperdoc" > wrote in
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| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>> The thread on brakes raised a question from the past- why
| >| >>>>> nitrogen in the tires of big jets and heavies? Air is around
| >| >>>>> 78% nitrogen anyway, and the coefficient of expansion of the
| >| >>>>> remaining 20%
| >| that's
| >| >>>>> oxygen can't make that much difference in volume.
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>> Why not just use dry air? I couldn't imagine that dry air or
| >| >>>>> dry nitrogen could make that much difference in corrosion,
| >| >>>>> either.
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>> I seem to recall someone giving me the rationale for this a
| >| >>>>> long time ago, but also seem to remember thinking it didn't
| >| >>>>> make that much sense at the time.
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>> Well, the greasemonkies say it preserves the rubber. Having said
| >| that
| >| >>>> we go
| >| >>>> through them pretty quick and even considering retreads there
| >| >>>> wouldn't be years of exposure or anything..
| >| >>>> Wheel fires may be another good reason...
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>> bertie
| >| >>>
| >| >>>
| >| >>> Right, they are called Napoleon tires. You heard of "Napoleon
| >| >>> Blown Apart" haven't you. :-)
| >| >>>
| >| >>
| >| >> groan!
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >> A guy i used to work with witnessed the aftermath of someone
| >| >> trying
| >| to
| >| >> fill a 707 nosewheel wiht an incorrect type reduction on the
| >| >> bottle.
| >| The
| >| >> guy was pretty much vaporised. My friend spent months as a witness
| >| >> in the subsequent lawsuit.
| >| >>
| >| >> Bertie
| >| >
| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
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| >| And you're a fjukktard wannbe just about anythign.
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[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619334
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| > nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!69.16.1 85.11.MISMATCH!
| npeer0
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| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
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| > 02:04:59 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:04:59 UTC
| > Organization: Cox
| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:04:52 -0500
| >
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >> "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk @See My Sig.com> wrote in
| >| >> :
| >| >>
| >| >>> "Viperdoc" > wrote in message
| >| >>> ...
| >| >>> <...>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>> Need to see the aging data on rubber kept in air versus
| >| >>>> nitrogen.
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>
| >| >>> I've seen it at work, fwiw. Some difference.
| >| >>>
| >| >>> But, for car tires, I would say there is more hype than benefit.
| >| >>>
| >| >>
| >| >> Used to put it in the tires of my light plane, mostly because it
| >| >> was free.
| >| >> I flew off grass and reckoned they'd rot before I wore them out
| >| >> anyway, so I might as well get the most bang for the buck out of
| >| >> the tires.
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >> Bertie
| >| >
| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
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| >| Snort!
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[Mick[_2_]]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in message
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| >
| > Proven results in high performance use.
|
| Have you trained at the Anthony Atkielski School of Circular Logic? Would
| you care to cite some actual data that says nitrogen is superior to dry
air
| for tires or struts?

Why? Unlike a anal ******* like you, I have no probem accepting decision of
NASCAR and so many aircraft companies.


|
| My hypothesis is that nitrogen or argon is in some way superior to dry air
| is simply an old wive's tale, not substantiated by data. So far, I have
| heard a lot of rationales, but not seen any data. In graduate school in
| organic chemistry, we used dry nitrogen or argon to distill a variety of
| compounds that were sensitive to water (nothing like distilling
| tetrahydrofuran over sodium metal to remove even trace water). It was like
| an explosion waiting to happen.

I could give a **** less about your hypothesis. What qualifies you to
question so many experts?


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| None of the posts I have read has offered a logical explanation as to why
| nitrogen is superior in some way to dry air.

I don't know anyone that give a **** what you think.

|
| If you think you, or anyone else has something to add to this topic,
please
| feel free.

Here, www.google.com is your friend.

|
| I could give a **** about you or Bertie, the logic of those interactions
has
| long been gone. I challenge you or anyone else to give some information
that
| actually educates the rest of us, because I honestly don't know the
answer.

First you need to find someone that gives a **** about your personal doubts.
Have you tried therapy.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
...
On Sep 16, 4:04 pm, "Vaughn Simon" >
wrote:
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in
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> >I just got new tires for my wife's car. They're usnig Nitrogen too.
> >They put green caps on the valve steam to show its not air.
>
> Yes, those green caps have proven to be much better at keeping the snake
> oil
> inside the tire where it belongs. Also, I have never once seen a car with
> green
> valve stem caps get attacked by elephants, (but that is just anecdotal
> evidence
> and your experience may vary).

Well the Nitrogen they used was free so I reallly don't care too much
if its better or not.

-Robert

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I think that's the point. Cost.

In applications where cost is not a big issue, it becomes the default
because of somewhat superior quality.

[Peter Dohm]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in message
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>
>
> My hypothesis is that nitrogen or argon is in some way superior to dry air
> is simply an old wive's tale, not substantiated by data. So far, I have
> heard a lot of rationales, but not seen any data. In graduate school in
> organic chemistry, we used dry nitrogen or argon to distill a variety of
> compounds that were sensitive to water (nothing like distilling
> tetrahydrofuran over sodium metal to remove even trace water). It was like
> an explosion waiting to happen.
>
> None of the posts I have read has offered a logical explanation as to why
> nitrogen is superior in some way to dry air.
>
I am curious regarding the tire and strut pressures used on the Baron.

The treatise from several Ford Motor Company engineers, which was referenced
elsewhere in the thread, appeared to only be on the web for sale and as a
second hand source. Therefore, I am left with my partial pressure
model--which simply does not justify using inert gas in tires at 60 or 70
psi (roughly 4 to 5 ATM) nor in struts at roughly twice that
pressure--unless you just happen to have it in the shop.

OTOH, on a heavy with the struts presumably pressurized to 100 ATM or more,
the partial pressure would would dramatically exceed 20 ATM of pure oxygen
on full bounce--so inert gas makes good sense.

Based on my presumption of the pressures involved for a light aircraft, dry
inert gas is mainly justified by eliminating the need for a good quality
dryer. In anything like normal service, it sounds like hype to me as well.

[[email protected]]

Peter Dohm > wrote:

> The treatise from several Ford Motor Company engineers, which was referenced
> elsewhere in the thread, appeared to only be on the web for sale and as a
> second hand source.

I found several free links to the paper.


--
Jim Pennino

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[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:03 -0500
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| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:BkzAk.9130$PS3.8242
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| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:Z0hAk.14223$Dj1.9558
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| >| >| >>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| >| >>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| >| >>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
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| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
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| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
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| >| >| >>>>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
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| >| >| >>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >| >>>>>>>>
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| >| >| >>>>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying here, do
| >| >| >>>>>>> you, illiterate boi?
| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>> Why you don't?
| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >>>>> And there it is again..
| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >>>>> Good thing there's usually a picture on the mens room door
| or
| >| >| you'd
| >| >| >> be
| >| >| >>>>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >>>>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>> Why not you do.
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >>> And this my good friends, is how you keep a moron busy for 30
| >| >| minutes.
| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> aww, give me some credit Maxine. It's been months now.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Oh no! You're wearing me down!
| >| >|
| >| >| Stoooooop!
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| I'm sooooo tired!
| >|
| >|
| >| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwha!
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:_IDAk.13285$rV4.8533
| @newsfe03.iad:
| >|
| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619332
| >| > Path:
| >| > news.glorb.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-
| >| media.com
| >| > !feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| >| newsfe03.ia
| >| > d.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| > References: >
| >| > >
| >| > >
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| >| > >
| >| > > Subject: Re: Why
| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 96
| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789626 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008
| >| > 02:00:26 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:00:26 UTC
| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:18 -0500
| >| >
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:ZjzAk.9127$PS3.3361
| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in news:csYzk.30661
| >| >| $kh2.3884
| >| >| >> @bignews3.bellsouth.net:
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >>> ...
| >| >| >>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
| >| >| >>>> :
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >>>>> ...
| >| >| >>>>>> "Viperdoc" > wrote in
| >| >| >>>>>> :
| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>>>> So, the O2 fueled an already existing fire or caused it?
| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>>> I suspect that pumping the oxygen into the system somehow
| >| >| started
| >| >| >>>>>>> the fire: it probably is a new definition for the term
| "hot
| >| >| start"
| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>> Mm, nice.
| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>> You heard about this?
| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>> http://www.gadling.com/2007/12/16/quantas-maintenance-
| fills-
| >| >| oxygen-
| >| >| >>>> tan
| >| >| >>>>>> ks- with-nitrogen/
| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>> Sounds worse than it was, but still....
| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >>>>> It appears that they were lucky and the oxygen was'nt
| needed;
| >| >| >>>>> but
| >| >| it
| >| >| >>>>> does remind me of some of the speculation surrunding the
| Paine
| >| >| >> Stewart
| >| >| >>>>> case. Two hypotheses around my local airport were that 1)
| the
| >| >| tank
| >| >| >>>>> was inadvertantly filled with nitrogen or 2) that someone
| >| >| >>>>> misread
| >| >| >> the
| >| >| >>>>> labeling on the regulator on/off handle--which is
| >| >| counterintuitively
| >| >| >>>>> labeled with "on" or "off" and arrows pointing which
| direction
| >| >| >>>>> to
| >| >| >> turn
| >| >| >>>>> the knob for the desired result. I don't recall whether the
| >| >| >>>>> case
| >| >| >> was
| >| >| >>>>> ever fully resolved; but a lot of pilots found a couple of
| >| >| >>>>> areas worthy of their maximum vigilance!
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>> Moe likely was they passed out before they even realised they
| >| >| >>>> were
| >| >| in
| >| >| >>>> trouble on that one. More easily done than I'd certainly
| expect.
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >>> That was also suggested, and could well be the real answer.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> Doesn't really matter. It's done and the only thing that
| matters
| >| >| >> is
| >| >| that
| >| >| >> all the possibilities are looked at and equipment and training
| are
| >| >| >> geared towards avoiding a repetition of the accident. Easier
| said
| >| >| than
| >| >| >> done.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> Bertie
| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >
| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Guess again fjukkktard.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Guess again fjukkktard.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
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|
| "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| ...
|| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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|| >
|| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
|| > .. .
|| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:LIDAk.13284$rV4.5522
|| @newsfe03.iad:
|| >|
|| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619331
|| >| > Path:
|| >| > news.glorb.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-
|| >| media.com
|| >| > !feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!
|| >| newsfe03.ia
|| >| > d.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
|| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
|| >| > References: >
|| >| > >
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|| >| > > <Z0hAk.14223$Dj1.9558
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|| >| > >
|| >| > >
|| >| > > Subject: Re: Why
|| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 109
|| >| > X-Priority: 3
|| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
|| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
|| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
|| >| > Message-ID: >
|| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
|| >| > X-Complaints-To:
|| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789611 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008
|| >| > 02:00:11 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:00:11 UTC
|| >| > Organization: Cox
|| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:03 -0500
|| >| >
|| >| >
|| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
|| >| > .. .
|| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:BkzAk.9130$PS3.8242
|| @newsfe06.iad:
|| >| >|
|| >| >| >
|| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
|| >| >| > .. .
|| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:Z0hAk.14223$Dj1.9558
|| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
|| >| >| >>
|| >| >| >>>
|| >| >| >>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
|| >| >| >>> ...
|| >| >| >>>>
|| >| >| >>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
|| >| >| >>>> .. .
|| >| >| >>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:fUgAk.14183$Dj1.8609
|| >| >| >> @newsfe01.iad:
|| >| >| >>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
|| >| >| >>>>>> ...
|| >| >| >>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
|| >| >| >>>>>>> :
|| >| >| >>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
|| >| >| >>>>>>>> ...
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> :
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> ...
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Bertie
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> Why you can't.
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> Bertie
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>>> Why you can't.
|| >| >| >>>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying here, do
|| >| >| >>>>>>> you, illiterate boi?
|| >| >| >>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>>> Bertie
|| >| >| >>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>> Why you don't?
|| >| >| >>>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>> And there it is again..
|| >| >| >>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>> Good thing there's usually a picture on the mens room door
|| or
|| >| >| you'd
|| >| >| >> be
|| >| >| >>>>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
|| >| >| >>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
|| >| >| >>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>> Bertie
|| >| >| >>>>>
|| >| >| >>>>
|| >| >| >>>> Why not you do.
|| >| >| >>>>
|| >| >| >>>
|| >| >| >>> And this my good friends, is how you keep a moron busy for 30
|| >| >| minutes.
|| >| >| >>>
|| >| >| >>
|| >| >| >> aww, give me some credit Maxine. It's been months now.
|| >| >| >>
|| >| >| >>
|| >| >| >>
|| >| >| >>
|| >| >| >>
|| >| >| >>
|| >| >| >>
|| >| >| >> bertie
|| >| >| >
|| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
|| >| >| >
|| >| >| >
|| >| >| >
|| >| >|
|| >| >| Oh no! You're wearing me down!
|| >| >|
|| >| >| Stoooooop!
|| >| >|
|| >| >| Bertie
|| >| >
|| >| >
|| >| >
|| >|
|| >| I'm sooooo tired!
|| >|
|| >|
|| >| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwha!
|| >|
|| >|
|| >| Bertie
|| >
|| >
|| >
||
||
||
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:wIDAk.13283$rV4.3854
| @newsfe03.iad:
| >|
| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619330
| >| > Path:
| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!69.16.1 85.11.MISMATCH!
| >| npeer0
| >| > 1.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-
| me.highwinds-
| >| me
| >| > dia.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe03.iad.POSTED!
| 7564ea0f!
| >| not
| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| > References: >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > > <gapjoe$ksn$1
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| >| > > >
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| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > >
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| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > > Subject: Re: Why
| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 52
| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789596 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008
| >| > 01:59:56 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:59:56 UTC
| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:59:49 -0500
| >| >
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:NkzAk.9131$PS3.2342
| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:86hAk.14226$Dj1.12895
| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >>> .. .
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>> Aww, and now you cuttin and pasting your replies..
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>> Bwawahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahh wha!
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >>> Learn to read.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> I know how. Read many many books.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> I didn't cut and paste anything. Just your head rattling
| >| >| >>> again.
| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> Yeh, OK illiterate boi.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Snort!
| >| >|
| >| >| bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Snort!
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:ONDAk.13289$rV4.9506
| @newsfe03.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:nkzAk.9129$PS3.3826
| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:bBgAk.13838$Dj1.12866
| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >>> ...
| >| >| >>>> John Godwin > wrote in
| >| >| >>>> news:Xns9B1BD7A3321FBAvSvcs@ 208.49.82.60:
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
| >| >| >>>>> :
| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>> In the case of light plane tires, I agree with you that
| really
| >| >| dry
| >| >| >>>>>> air should work well enough to make the issue trivial.
| But,
| >| if
| >| >| >>>>>> you need nitrogen for any other reason, it is the cheapest
| >| thing
| >| >| >>>>>> that I know of in an L bottle or larger and using it in the
| >| tires
| >| >| >>>>>> may be essentially free--because you may have to pay rental
| on
| >| >| the
| >| >| >>>>>> tanks if they are not refilled at a prescribed interval.
| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >>>>> My daughter is a Crew Chief on a C-130 Herc and said that
| >| Nitrogen
| >| >| >>>>> is used in the struts.
| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>> Your daughter smokes cigars?
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >>> You're a dumb ass.
| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> Nope.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Please stop! You're hurting meeeeeee!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bwahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwh!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
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| >| >
| >| awww, Maxine is trying some UPA!
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Lame UPA!
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| Very lame.
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Morgans" > wrote in
| >| :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Allen" > wrote
| >| >
| >| >> I am sorry Jim, the O2 is for emergency use. The cabin is
| >| >> pressurized from engine bleed air. The O2 masks drop from the
| >| >> ceiling at 14K' cabin altitude just like the airliners.
| >| >
| >| > Yep, that's what I thought.
| >| >
| >| > Sorry you misunderstood me, and I misunderstood you.
| >| >
| >| > This went back to the possibility of oxy causing the Payne Stewart
| >| > crash, when I replied it was not likely because that was believed
| to
| >| > be a primary pressurization problem.
| >|
| >|
| >| That isn't what you replied.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
| Aww, run out of drivel Maxie?
|
|
| That's the disadvantage of having no imagination whatsoever.
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:s0EAk.13305$rV4.6925
| @newsfe03.iad:
| >|
| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619347
| >| > Path:
| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!69.16.1 85.21.MISMATCH!
| >| npeer0
| >| > 3.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-
| me.highwinds-
| >| me
| >| > dia.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe03.iad.POSTED!
| 7564ea0f!
| >| not
| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| > References: >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > > Subject: Re: Why
| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 13
| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221790872 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008
| >| > 02:21:12 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:21:12 UTC
| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:21:01 -0500
| >| >
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| > I love the radical cross posts. Shows your lever of desperation.
| >|
| >|
| >| Actually, it just shows the level of enertainment you're providing. I
| >| don;t get desperate, maxine....
| >| >
| >| > Calling all kooks, calling all kooks. I'm getting my ass kicked, I
| >| > need back up!
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| They'll come a runnin for you i'm sure Maxine.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
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|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:6HFAk.26045$QF5.19074
| @newsfe08.iad:
| >|
| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619353
| >| > Path:
| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!69.16.1 85.11.MISMATCH!
| >| npeer0
| >| > 1.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-
| me.highwinds-
| >| me
| >| > dia.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe08.iad.POSTED!
| 7564ea0f!
| >| not
| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| > References: >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > > Subject: Re: Why nitrogen?
| >| > Lines: 14
| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| > X-Trace: newsfe08.iad 1221797698 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008
| >| > 04:14:58 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:14:58 UTC
| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:14:51 -0500
| >| >
| >| >
| >| > "Viperdoc" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| Mick:
| >| >|
|
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:kJDAk.13286$rV4.1278
| @newsfe03.iad:
| >|
| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619333
| >| > Path:
| >| > wns11feed!worldnet.att.net!63.218.45.11!nx02.iad01 .newshosting.com!
| >| news
| >| > hosting.com!69.16.185.11.MISMATCH!npeer01.iad.high winds-media.com!
| >| news.
| >| > highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!
| post02.iad.highwinds-
| >| me
| >| > dia.com!newsfe03.iad.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Mick"
| >| > <@_#`~#@.^net> Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| > References: >
| >| > > <8a4950eac1beb@uwe>
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > > Subject: Re: Why
| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 279
| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789648 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008
| >| > 02:00:48 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:00:48 UTC
| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:41 -0500
| >| >
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:PjzAk.9125$PS3.1317
| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in news:csYzk.30660
| >| >| $kh2.574
| >| >| >> @bignews3.bellsouth.net:
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >>> ...
| >| >| >>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
| >| >| >>>> :
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>> "JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote in message
| >| >| >>>>> news:8a4950eac1beb@uwe...
| >| >| >>>>>> Peter Dohm wrote:
| >| >| >>>>>>>The only difference that would make nitrogen seen really
| >| >| beneficial
| >| >| >>>>>>>to me would be in the case of an aircraft which is kept
| >| >| >>>>>>>hangared
| >| >| >> and
| >| >| >>>>>>>seldom operated. Then, if the tire threads last a number
| of
| >| >| years,
| >| >| >>>>>>>and the tires are sheltered from UV radiation, the inert
| >| >| >>>>>>>nature
| >| >| of
| >| >| >>>>>>>the nitrogen could be usefull.
| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>> In theory, perhaps. In practice, tires oxidize from the
| >| >| >>>>>> outside
| >| >| >> as
| >| >| >>>>>> well
| >| >| >>>>>> as
| >| >| >>>>>> the inside. I've noticed that every time I've bought
| >| >| >>>>>> expensive, long-life tires, they have to be chucked because
| >| >| >>>>>> the sidewalls
| >| >| are
| >| >| >>>>>> rotting, even though
| >| >| >>>>>> the tread is still good. It's not just air, but pollutants
| >| >| >>>>>> (particularly in
| >| >| >>>>>> the cities). Ozone, a common urban pollutant, is
| particularly
| >| >| bad
| >| >| >>>>>> for tires.
| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>>> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >>>>> Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the
| greenies
| >| >| have
| >| >| >>>>> decided that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling
| oxygen)
| >| >| >>>>> and
| >| >| >> O3
| >| >| >>>>> (which is nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are
| "pollutants"
| >| >| >>>>> according to the strange reasoning of their adled brains,
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>> Here is an explanation for you.
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>> If you find it too difficult to understand I'll have a look
| >| >| >>>> around
| >| >| >> for
| >| >| >>>> the Litle Golden Book of Wonder version for you.
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/globalchange/global_warming/03.html
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >>> You are too kind!
| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >>> BTW, it did make a good case for the expansion of nuclear
| power--
| >| >| which
| >| >| >> I
| >| >| >>> have long favored.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> No, it didn't.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> Maybe if I find something with pictures for you.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> Bertie
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >
| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Shooting for another AUP violation fjukkkwit?
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie''
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >| Snort!
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:N8RAk.11459$PS3.2852
| @newsfe06.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:ONDAk.13289$rV4.9506
| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:nkzAk.9129$PS3.3826
| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:bBgAk.13838$Dj1.12866
| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >>> ...
| >| >| >| >>>> John Godwin > wrote in
| >| >| >| >>>> news:Xns9B1BD7A3321FBAvSvcs@ 208.49.82.60:
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
| >| >| >| >>>>> :
| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>> In the case of light plane tires, I agree with you that
| >| really
| >| >| >| dry
| >| >| >| >>>>>> air should work well enough to make the issue trivial.
| >| But,
| >| >| if
| >| >| >| >>>>>> you need nitrogen for any other reason, it is the
| cheapest
| >| >| thing
| >| >| >| >>>>>> that I know of in an L bottle or larger and using it in
| the
| >| >| tires
| >| >| >| >>>>>> may be essentially free--because you may have to pay
| rental
| >| on
| >| >| >| the
| >| >| >| >>>>>> tanks if they are not refilled at a prescribed interval.
| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>> My daughter is a Crew Chief on a C-130 Herc and said that
| >| >| Nitrogen
| >| >| >| >>>>> is used in the struts.
| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>> Your daughter smokes cigars?
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >>> You're a dumb ass.
| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> Nope.
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> Bertie
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Please stop! You're hurting meeeeeee!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bwahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwh!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
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| >| >| awww, Maxine is trying some UPA!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Lame UPA!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
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| >| Very lame.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| Even lamer!
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
| > ...
| >|
| >| "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| ...
| >|| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:d9RAk.11463$PS3.2888
| @newsfe06.iad:
| >||
| >|| >
| >|| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >|| > .. .
| >|| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:LIDAk.13284$rV4.5522
| >|| @newsfe03.iad:
| >|| >|
| >|| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619331
| >|| >| > Path:
| >|| >| > news.glorb.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-
| >|| >| media.com
| >|| >| > !feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| >|| >| newsfe03.ia
| >|| >| > d.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >|| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >|| >| > References: >
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| >|| >| > >
| >|| >| > > Subject: Re: Why
| >|| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 109
| >|| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >|| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >|| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >|| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >|| >| > Message-ID: >
| >|| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >|| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >|| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789611 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008
| >|| >| > 02:00:11 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:00:11 UTC
| >|| >| > Organization: Cox
| >|| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:03 -0500
| >|| >| >
| >|| >| >
| >|| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >|| >| > .. .
| >|| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:BkzAk.9130$PS3.8242
| >|| @newsfe06.iad:
| >|| >| >|
| >|| >| >| >
| >|| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >|| >| >| > .. .
| >|| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:Z0hAk.14223$Dj1.9558
| >|| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >|| >| >| >>
| >|| >| >| >>>
| >|| >| >| >>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
| >|| >| >| >>> ...
| >|| >| >| >>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >|| >| >| >>>> .. .
| >|| >| >| >>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:fUgAk.14183$Dj1.8609
| >|| >| >| >> @newsfe01.iad:
| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >|| >| >| >>>>>> ...
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> :
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>> ...
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> :
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> ...
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying here,
| do
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> you, illiterate boi?
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> Bertie
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>> Why you don't?
| >|| >| >| >>>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>> And there it is again..
| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>> Good thing there's usually a picture on the mens room
| door
| >|| or
| >|| >| >| you'd
| >|| >| >| >> be
| >|| >| >| >>>>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>> Bertie
| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>> Why not you do.
| >|| >| >| >>>>
| >|| >| >| >>>
| >|| >| >| >>> And this my good friends, is how you keep a moron busy for
| 30
| >|| >| >| minutes.
| >|| >| >| >>>
| >|| >| >| >>
| >|| >| >| >> aww, give me some credit Maxine. It's been months now.
| >|| >| >| >>
| >|| >| >| >>
| >|| >| >| >>
| >|| >| >| >>
| >|| >| >| >>
| >|| >| >| >>
| >|| >| >| >>
| >|| >| >| >> bertie
| >|| >| >| >
| >|| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >|| >| >| >
| >|| >| >| >
| >|| >| >| >
| >|| >| >|
| >|| >| >| Oh no! You're wearing me down!
| >|| >| >|
| >|| >| >| Stoooooop!
| >|| >| >|
| >|| >| >| Bertie
| >|| >| >
| >|| >| >
| >|| >| >
| >|| >|
| >|| >| I'm sooooo tired!
| >|| >|
| >|| >|
| >|| >| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwha!
| >|| >|
| >|| >|
| >|| >| Bertie
| >|| >
| >|| >
| >|| >
| >||
| >||
| >||
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
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|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:d9RAk.11463$PS3.2888
| @newsfe06.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:LIDAk.13284$rV4.5522
| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619331
| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| > news.glorb.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-
| >| >| media.com
| >| >| > !feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| >| >| newsfe03.ia
| >| >| > d.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| > References: >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > > <gapjoe$ksn$1
| >| @aioe.org>
| >| >| > > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > > <Z0hAk.14223$Dj1.9558
| >| @newsfe01.iad>
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > > Subject: Re: Why
| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 109
| >| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789611 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008
| >| >| > 02:00:11 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:00:11 UTC
| >| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:03 -0500
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:BkzAk.9130$PS3.8242
| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:Z0hAk.14223$Dj1.9558
| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
| >| >| >| >>> ...
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >>>> .. .
| >| >| >| >>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:fUgAk.14183$Dj1.8609
| >| >| >| >> @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >>>>>> ...
| >| >| >| >>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| >| >>>>>>> :
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> ...
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> :
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> ...
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying here,
| do
| >| >| >| >>>>>>> you, illiterate boi?
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>> Why you don't?
| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>> And there it is again..
| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>> Good thing there's usually a picture on the mens room
| door
| >| or
| >| >| >| you'd
| >| >| >| >> be
| >| >| >| >>>>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>> Why not you do.
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >>> And this my good friends, is how you keep a moron busy for
| 30
| >| >| >| minutes.
| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> aww, give me some credit Maxine. It's been months now.
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> bertie
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Oh no! You're wearing me down!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Stoooooop!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| I'm sooooo tired!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwha!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:d9RAk.11463$PS3.2888
| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:LIDAk.13284$rV4.5522
| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619331
| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| > news.glorb.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| news.highwinds-
| >| >| >| media.com
| >| >| >| > !feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| >| >| >| newsfe03.ia
| >| >| >| > d.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| >| > References: >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > > <gapjoe$ksn$1
| >| >| @aioe.org>
| >| >| >| > > <garskj$c4t$1
| @aioe.org>
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > > <Z0hAk.14223$Dj1.9558
| >| >| @newsfe01.iad>
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > > Subject: Re:
| Why
| >| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 109
| >| >| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| >| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789611 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep
| 2008
| >| >| >| > 02:00:11 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:00:11
| UTC
| >| >| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:03 -0500
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:BkzAk.9130$PS3.8242
| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:Z0hAk.14223$Dj1.9558
| >| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >>> ...
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >>>> .. .
| >| >| >| >| >>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:fUgAk.14183
| $Dj1.8609
| >| >| >| >| >> @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> ...
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> :
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> ...
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> :
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> news:Xns9B1CE6A9AECA3****upropeeh@
| 208.90.168.18...
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying
| here,
| >| do
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> you, illiterate boi?
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> Why you don't?
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>> And there it is again..
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Good thing there's usually a picture on the mens room
| >| door
| >| >| or
| >| >| >| >| you'd
| >| >| >| >| >> be
| >| >| >| >| >>>>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>> Why not you do.
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >>> And this my good friends, is how you keep a moron busy
| for
| >| 30
| >| >| >| >| minutes.
| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> aww, give me some credit Maxine. It's been months now.
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> bertie
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Oh no! You're wearing me down!
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Stoooooop!
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| I'm sooooo tired!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwha!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
| That it, you just going to do this forever?
|
| OK
|
|
| That busted Urinal is in the bag, Maxie.
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:RISAk.19912$PK.15285
| @newsfe04.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >|
| >| >| "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| ...
| >| >|| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:d9RAk.11463$PS3.2888
| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >||
| >| >|| >
| >| >|| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >|| > .. .
| >| >|| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:LIDAk.13284$rV4.5522
| >| >|| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >|| >|
| >| >|| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619331
| >| >|| >| > Path:
| >| >|| >| > news.glorb.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| news.highwinds-
| >| >|| >| media.com
| >| >|| >| > !feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| >| >|| >| newsfe03.ia
| >| >|| >| > d.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| >|| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >|| >| > References: >
| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >|| >| > > <gapjoe$ksn$1
| >| >|| @aioe.org>
| >| >|| >| > > <garskj$c4t$1
| @aioe.org>
| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >|| >| > > <Z0hAk.14223$Dj1.9558
| >| >|| @newsfe01.iad>
| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >|| >| > > Subject: Re:
| Why
| >| >|| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 109
| >| >|| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >|| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >|| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >|| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >|| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| >|| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >|| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >|| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789611 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep
| 2008
| >| >|| >| > 02:00:11 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:00:11
| UTC
| >| >|| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >|| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:03 -0500
| >| >|| >| >
| >| >|| >| >
| >| >|| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >|| >| > .. .
| >| >|| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:BkzAk.9130$PS3.8242
| >| >|| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >|| >| >|
| >| >|| >| >| >
| >| >|| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >|| >| >| > .. .
| >| >|| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:Z0hAk.14223$Dj1.9558
| >| >|| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >|| >| >| >>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
| >| >|| >| >| >>> ...
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >|| >| >| >>>> .. .
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:fUgAk.14183
| $Dj1.8609
| >| >|| >| >| >> @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>> ...
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> :
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>> ...
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> :
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> news:Xns9B1CE6A9AECA3****upropeeh@
| 208.90.168.18...
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying
| here,
| >| do
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> you, illiterate boi?
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>> Why you don't?
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>> And there it is again..
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>> Good thing there's usually a picture on the mens room
| >| door
| >| >|| or
| >| >|| >| >| you'd
| >| >|| >| >| >> be
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>> Bertie
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>> Why not you do.
| >| >|| >| >| >>>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>> And this my good friends, is how you keep a moron busy
| for
| >| 30
| >| >|| >| >| minutes.
| >| >|| >| >| >>>
| >| >|| >| >| >>
| >| >|| >| >| >> aww, give me some credit Maxine. It's been months now.
| >| >|| >| >| >>
| >| >|| >| >| >>
| >| >|| >| >| >>
| >| >|| >| >| >>
| >| >|| >| >| >>
| >| >|| >| >| >>
| >| >|| >| >| >>
| >| >|| >| >| >> bertie
| >| >|| >| >| >
| >| >|| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >|| >| >| >
| >| >|| >| >| >
| >| >|| >| >| >
| >| >|| >| >|
| >| >|| >| >| Oh no! You're wearing me down!
| >| >|| >| >|
| >| >|| >| >| Stoooooop!
| >| >|| >| >|
| >| >|| >| >| Bertie
| >| >|| >| >
| >| >|| >| >
| >| >|| >| >
| >| >|| >|
| >| >|| >| I'm sooooo tired!
| >| >|| >|
| >| >|| >|
| >| >|| >| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwha!
| >| >|| >|
| >| >|| >|
| >| >|| >| Bertie
| >| >|| >
| >| >|| >
| >| >|| >
| >| >||
| >| >||
| >| >||
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
| Awww, yer lusin Maxine, and you don't even know it.
|
| Part of your charm, of course.
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:N8RAk.11459$PS3.2852
| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:ONDAk.13289$rV4.9506
| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:nkzAk.9129$PS3.3826
| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:bBgAk.13838$Dj1.12866
| >| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >>> ...
| >| >| >| >| >>>> John Godwin > wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >>>> news:Xns9B1BD7A3321FBAvSvcs@ 208.49.82.60:
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >>>>> :
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> In the case of light plane tires, I agree with you
| that
| >| >| really
| >| >| >| >| dry
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> air should work well enough to make the issue
| trivial.
| >| >| But,
| >| >| >| if
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> you need nitrogen for any other reason, it is the
| >| cheapest
| >| >| >| thing
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> that I know of in an L bottle or larger and using it
| in
| >| the
| >| >| >| tires
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> may be essentially free--because you may have to pay
| >| rental
| >| >| on
| >| >| >| >| the
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> tanks if they are not refilled at a prescribed
| interval.
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>> My daughter is a Crew Chief on a C-130 Herc and said
| that
| >| >| >| Nitrogen
| >| >| >| >| >>>>> is used in the struts.
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>> Your daughter smokes cigars?
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >>> You're a dumb ass.
| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> Nope.
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Please stop! You're hurting meeeeeee!
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Bwahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwh!
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
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| >| >| >| >
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| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
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| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
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| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| awww, Maxine is trying some UPA!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Lame UPA!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Very lame.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Even lamer!
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| And lamer agin
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:S9RAk.11467$PS3.7878
| @newsfe06.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:6HFAk.26045$QF5.19074
| >| @newsfe08.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619353
| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!
| 69.16.185.11.MISMATCH!
| >| >| npeer0
| >| >| > 1.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-
| >| me.highwinds-
| >| >| me
| >| >| > dia.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe08.iad.POSTED!
| >| 7564ea0f!
| >| >| not
| >| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| > References: >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > > Subject: Re: Why
| nitrogen?
| >| >| > Lines: 14
| >| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >| > X-Trace: newsfe08.iad 1221797698 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008
| >| >| > 04:14:58 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:14:58 UTC
| >| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:14:51 -0500
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Viperdoc" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| Mick:
| >| >| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
| It is, you know
|
|
|
| bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:K9RAk.11466$PS3.9779
| @newsfe06.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:s0EAk.13305$rV4.6925
| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619347
| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!
| 69.16.185.21.MISMATCH!
| >| >| npeer0
| >| >| > 3.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-
| >| me.highwinds-
| >| >| me
| >| >| > dia.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe03.iad.POSTED!
| >| 7564ea0f!
| >| >| not
| >| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| > References: >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > > Subject: Re: Why
| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 13
| >| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221790872 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008
| >| >| > 02:21:12 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:21:12 UTC
| >| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:21:01 -0500
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| > I love the radical cross posts. Shows your lever of desperation.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Actually, it just shows the level of enertainment you're
| providing. I
| >| >| don;t get desperate, maxine....
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Calling all kooks, calling all kooks. I'm getting my ass kicked,
| I
| >| >| > need back up!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| They'll come a runnin for you i'm sure Maxine.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
| You do know that repetitive posts are against your AUP, eh?
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:kJDAk.13286$rV4.1278
| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619333
| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| > wns11feed!worldnet.att.net!63.218.45.11!
| nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!
| >| >| news
| >| >| > hosting.com!69.16.185.11.MISMATCH!npeer01.iad.high winds-
| media.com!
| >| >| news.
| >| >| > highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!
| >| post02.iad.highwinds-
| >| >| me
| >| >| > dia.com!newsfe03.iad.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Mick"
| >| >| > <@_#`~#@.^net> Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| > References: >
| >| >| > >
| <8a4950eac1beb@uwe>
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > > Subject: Re: Why
| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 279
| >| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789648 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008
| >| >| > 02:00:48 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:00:48 UTC
| >| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:41 -0500
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:PjzAk.9125$PS3.1317
| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
| news:csYzk.30660
| >| >| >| $kh2.574
| >| >| >| >> @bignews3.bellsouth.net:
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >>> ...
| >| >| >| >>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
| >| >| >| >>>> :
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>> "JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote in
| message
| >| >| >| >>>>> news:8a4950eac1beb@uwe...
| >| >| >| >>>>>> Peter Dohm wrote:
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>The only difference that would make nitrogen seen really
| >| >| >| beneficial
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>to me would be in the case of an aircraft which is kept
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>hangared
| >| >| >| >> and
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>seldom operated. Then, if the tire threads last a
| number
| >| of
| >| >| >| years,
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>and the tires are sheltered from UV radiation, the inert
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>nature
| >| >| >| of
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>the nitrogen could be usefull.
| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>> In theory, perhaps. In practice, tires oxidize from
| the
| >| >| >| >>>>>> outside
| >| >| >| >> as
| >| >| >| >>>>>> well
| >| >| >| >>>>>> as
| >| >| >| >>>>>> the inside. I've noticed that every time I've bought
| >| >| >| >>>>>> expensive, long-life tires, they have to be chucked
| because
| >| >| >| >>>>>> the sidewalls
| >| >| >| are
| >| >| >| >>>>>> rotting, even though
| >| >| >| >>>>>> the tread is still good. It's not just air, but
| pollutants
| >| >| >| >>>>>> (particularly in
| >| >| >| >>>>>> the cities). Ozone, a common urban pollutant, is
| >| particularly
| >| >| >| bad
| >| >| >| >>>>>> for tires.
| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>>> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>> Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the
| >| greenies
| >| >| >| have
| >| >| >| >>>>> decided that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling
| >| oxygen)
| >| >| >| >>>>> and
| >| >| >| >> O3
| >| >| >| >>>>> (which is nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are
| >| "pollutants"
| >| >| >| >>>>> according to the strange reasoning of their adled brains,
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>> Here is an explanation for you.
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>> If you find it too difficult to understand I'll have a
| look
| >| >| >| >>>> around
| >| >| >| >> for
| >| >| >| >>>> the Litle Golden Book of Wonder version for you.
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/globalchange/global_warming/03.html
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >>> You are too kind!
| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >>> BTW, it did make a good case for the expansion of nuclear
| >| power--
| >| >| >| which
| >| >| >| >> I
| >| >| >| >>> have long favored.
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> No, it didn't.
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> Maybe if I find something with pictures for you.
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> Bertie
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Shooting for another AUP violation fjukkkwit?
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie''
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Snort!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
| Snort snort snort snort snort
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:19RAk.11462$PS3.7677
| @newsfe06.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:wIDAk.13283$rV4.3854
| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619330
| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!
| 69.16.185.11.MISMATCH!
| >| >| npeer0
| >| >| > 1.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-
| >| me.highwinds-
| >| >| me
| >| >| > dia.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe03.iad.POSTED!
| >| 7564ea0f!
| >| >| not
| >| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| > References: >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > > <gapjoe$ksn$1
| >| @aioe.org>
| >| >| > > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > > Subject: Re: Why
| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 52
| >| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789596 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008
| >| >| > 01:59:56 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:59:56 UTC
| >| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:59:49 -0500
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:NkzAk.9131$PS3.2342
| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:86hAk.14226$Dj1.12895
| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >>> .. .
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>> Aww, and now you cuttin and pasting your replies..
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>> Bwawahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahh wha!
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >>> Learn to read.
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> I know how. Read many many books.
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> I didn't cut and paste anything. Just your head rattling
| >| >| >| >>> again.
| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> Yeh, OK illiterate boi.
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> Bertie
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Snort!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Snort!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
| Awwww, po little Maxie.
|
| nothing to say.
|
|
| But then, you never did.
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

Be more careful Buttlipps, you forgot to cross post two of them this time.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Allen" > wrote

> The Lear does have an emergency pressurization system. When the cabin
> altitude reaches (I believe) 12,000' there is a valve that opens and puts
> full, uncooled bleed air into the cabin. There is no mistaking when this
> happens; it is loud and it is hot.

Yeah, I'll bet that is exciting!

Let's see, death by altitude blackout, or death by cooking like a lobster.
Which would I choose? <g>

Interesting. I didn't know that. I wonder why the Payne Stewart plane
(Lear 35) did not have that system activate. Perhaps the sensor that
measures cabin altitude was on the fritz. What kind of backup would there
be? It would seem reasonable to have separate sensors for normal
pressurization operation, and one for the emergency system, and perhaps one
for a aural and visual cockpit warning.

Do you know how it is set up?

Thanks for the information.
--
Jim in NC

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Morgans" > wrote in
:

>
> "Allen" > wrote
>
>> The Lear does have an emergency pressurization system. When the
>> cabin altitude reaches (I believe) 12,000' there is a valve that
>> opens and puts full, uncooled bleed air into the cabin. There is no
>> mistaking when this happens; it is loud and it is hot.
>
> Yeah, I'll bet that is exciting!
>
> Let's see, death by altitude blackout, or death by cooking like a
> lobster. Which would I choose? <g>
>
> Interesting. I didn't know that. I wonder why the Payne Stewart
> plane (Lear 35) did not have that system activate.

oh brother.


Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Morgans" > wrote in
| :
|
| >
| > "Allen" > wrote
| >
| >> The Lear does have an emergency pressurization system. When the
| >> cabin altitude reaches (I believe) 12,000' there is a valve that
| >> opens and puts full, uncooled bleed air into the cabin. There is no
| >> mistaking when this happens; it is loud and it is hot.
| >
| > Yeah, I'll bet that is exciting!
| >
| > Let's see, death by altitude blackout, or death by cooking like a
| > lobster. Which would I choose? <g>
| >
| > Interesting. I didn't know that. I wonder why the Payne Stewart
| > plane (Lear 35) did not have that system activate.
|
| oh brother.
|
|
| Bertie
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:RISAk.19912$PK.15285
| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| ...
| >| >| >|| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:d9RAk.11463$PS3.2888
| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >||
| >| >| >|| >
| >| >| >|| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >|| > .. .
| >| >| >|| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:LIDAk.13284$rV4.5522
| >| >| >|| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >|| >|
| >| >| >|| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619331
| >| >| >|| >| > Path:
| >| >| >|| >| > news.glorb.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| >| news.highwinds-
| >| >| >|| >| media.com
| >| >| >|| >| > !feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad.highwinds-
| media.com!
| >| >| >|| >| newsfe03.ia
| >| >| >|| >| > d.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.
| ^net>
| >| >| >|| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| >|| >| > References: >
| >| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >| >|| >| > > <gapjoe$ksn
| $1
| >| >| >|| @aioe.org>
| >| >| >|| >| > > <garskj$c4t$1
| >| @aioe.org>
| >| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >| >|| >| > > <Z0hAk.14223$Dj1.9558
| >| >| >|| @newsfe01.iad>
| >| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >| >|| >| > >
| >| >| >|| >| > > Subject:
| Re:
| >| Why
| >| >| >|| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 109
| >| >| >|| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >| >|| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >| >|| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >| >|| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >| >|| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| >| >|| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >| >|| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >| >|| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789611 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19
| Sep
| >| 2008
| >| >| >|| >| > 02:00:11 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008
| 02:00:11
| >| UTC
| >| >| >|| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >| >|| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:03 -0500
| >| >| >|| >| >
| >| >| >|| >| >
| >| >| >|| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >|| >| > .. .
| >| >| >|| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:BkzAk.9130$PS3.8242
| >| >| >|| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >|| >| >|
| >| >| >|| >| >| >
| >| >| >|| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >|| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >|| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:Z0hAk.14223
| $Dj1.9558
| >| >| >|| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>> ...
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>> .. .
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:fUgAk.14183
| >| $Dj1.8609
| >| >| >|| >| >| >> @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>> news:gas5h7$p43$4
| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> :
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>> news:gas4qj$p43$1
| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> :
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
| message
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> news:Xns9B1CE6A9AECA3****upropeeh@
| >| 208.90.168.18...
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying
| >| here,
| >| >| do
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> you, illiterate boi?
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>> Why you don't?
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>> And there it is again..
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>> Good thing there's usually a picture on the mens
| room
| >| >| door
| >| >| >|| or
| >| >| >|| >| >| you'd
| >| >| >|| >| >| >> be
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>> Why not you do.
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>> And this my good friends, is how you keep a moron
| busy
| >| for
| >| >| 30
| >| >| >|| >| >| minutes.
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >> aww, give me some credit Maxine. It's been months
| now.
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >>
| >| >| >|| >| >| >> bertie
| >| >| >|| >| >| >
| >| >| >|| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >|| >| >| >
| >| >| >|| >| >| >
| >| >| >|| >| >| >
| >| >| >|| >| >|
| >| >| >|| >| >| Oh no! You're wearing me down!
| >| >| >|| >| >|
| >| >| >|| >| >| Stoooooop!
| >| >| >|| >| >|
| >| >| >|| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >|| >| >
| >| >| >|| >| >
| >| >| >|| >| >
| >| >| >|| >|
| >| >| >|| >| I'm sooooo tired!
| >| >| >|| >|
| >| >| >|| >|
| >| >| >|| >| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwha!
| >| >| >|| >|
| >| >| >|| >|
| >| >| >|| >| Bertie
| >| >| >|| >
| >| >| >|| >
| >| >| >|| >
| >| >| >||
| >| >| >||
| >| >| >||
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Awww, yer lusin Maxine, and you don't even know it.
| >|
| >| Part of your charm, of course.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:1USAk.20105$PK.20083
| @newsfe04.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:sKSAk.19942$PK.3057
| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:N8RAk.11459$PS3.2852
| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:ONDAk.13289$rV4.9506
| >| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:nkzAk.9129$PS3.3826
| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:bBgAk.13838
| $Dj1.12866
| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >>> ...
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> John Godwin > wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> news:Xns9B1BD7A3321FBAvSvcs@ 208.49.82.60:
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> :
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> In the case of light plane tires, I agree with you
| >| that
| >| >| >| really
| >| >| >| >| >| dry
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> air should work well enough to make the issue
| >| trivial.
| >| >| >| But,
| >| >| >| >| if
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> you need nitrogen for any other reason, it is the
| >| >| cheapest
| >| >| >| >| thing
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> that I know of in an L bottle or larger and using
| it
| >| in
| >| >| the
| >| >| >| >| tires
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> may be essentially free--because you may have to
| pay
| >| >| rental
| >| >| >| on
| >| >| >| >| >| the
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> tanks if they are not refilled at a prescribed
| >| interval.
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> My daughter is a Crew Chief on a C-130 Herc and
| said
| >| that
| >| >| >| >| Nitrogen
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> is used in the struts.
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> Your daughter smokes cigars?
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>> You're a dumb ass.
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
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| >| >| >| >| >| >>
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| >| >| >| >| >| >> Nope.
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >> Bertie
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| >| >| >| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >| >| >| >
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| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| Please stop! You're hurting meeeeeee!
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| Bwahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwh!
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| Bertie
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| >| >| >| >| awww, Maxine is trying some UPA!
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Lame UPA!
| >| >| >| >|
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| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >
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| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Very lame.
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| >| >| >| Bertie
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| >| >|
| >| >| Even lamer!
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| And lamer agin
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| >|
| >| Bertie
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|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:XNSAk.20003$PK.13088
| @newsfe04.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:S9RAk.11467$PS3.7878
| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:6HFAk.26045$QF5.19074
| >| >| @newsfe08.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619353
| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!
| >| 69.16.185.11.MISMATCH!
| >| >| >| npeer0
| >| >| >| > 1.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-
| >| >| me.highwinds-
| >| >| >| me
| >| >| >| > dia.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe08.iad.POSTED!
| >| >| 7564ea0f!
| >| >| >| not
| >| >| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| >| > References: >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > > Subject: Re: Why
| >| nitrogen?
| >| >| >| > Lines: 14
| >| >| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| >| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >| >| > X-Trace: newsfe08.iad 1221797698 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep
| 2008
| >| >| >| > 04:14:58 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:14:58
| UTC
| >| >| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:14:51 -0500
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Viperdoc" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| Mick:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >|
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| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| It is, you know
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| bertie
| >
| >
| >
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| w
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[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:K9RAk.11466$PS3.9779
| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:s0EAk.13305$rV4.6925
| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619347
| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!
| >| 69.16.185.21.MISMATCH!
| >| >| >| npeer0
| >| >| >| > 3.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-
| >| >| me.highwinds-
| >| >| >| me
| >| >| >| > dia.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe03.iad.POSTED!
| >| >| 7564ea0f!
| >| >| >| not
| >| >| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| >| > References: >
| >| >| >| > >
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| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > > Subject: Re:
| Why
| >| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 13
|
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|

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| "Morgans" > wrote in
>| :
>|
>| >
>| > "Allen" > wrote
>| >
>| >> The Lear does have an emergency pressurization system. When the
>| >> cabin altitude reaches (I believe) 12,000' there is a valve that
>| >> opens and puts full, uncooled bleed air into the cabin. There is no
>| >> mistaking when this happens; it is loud and it is hot.
>| >
>| > Yeah, I'll bet that is exciting!
>| >
>| > Let's see, death by altitude blackout, or death by cooking like a
>| > lobster. Which would I choose? <g>
>| >
>| > Interesting. I didn't know that. I wonder why the Payne Stewart
>| > plane (Lear 35) did not have that system activate.
>|
>| oh brother.
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>|
>
>
>

Oh fjukkktard.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :

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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
>|
>| >
>| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| > .. .
>| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:JUSAk.20116$PK.9045
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>| >|
>| >| >
>| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| >| > ...
>| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:RISAk.19912$PK.15285
>| >| @newsfe04.iad:
>| >| >|
>| >| >| >
>| >| >| > "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
>| >| >| > ...
>| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >| "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| >| >| >| ...
>| >| >| >|| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:d9RAk.11463$PS3.2888
>| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
>| >| >| >||
>| >| >| >|| >
>| >| >| >|| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| >| >| >|| > .. .
>| >| >| >|| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:LIDAk.13284$rV4.5522
>| >| >| >|| @newsfe03.iad:
>| >| >| >|| >|
>| >| >| >|| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619331
>| >| >| >|| >| > Path:
>| >| >| >|| >| > news.glorb.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!
>| >| news.highwinds-
>| >| >| >|| >| media.com
>| >| >| >|| >| > !feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad.highwinds-
>| media.com!
>| >| >| >|| >| newsfe03.ia
>| >| >| >|| >| > d.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.
>| ^net>
>| >| >| >|| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
>| >| >| >|| >| > References: >
>| >| >| >|| >| > >
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>| >| >| >|| >| > >
>| >| >| >|| >| > > <gapjoe
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>| >| >| >|| @aioe.org>
>| >| >| >|| >| > > <garskj$c4t$1
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>| >| >| >|| @newsfe01.iad>
>| >| >| >|| >| > >
>| >| >| >|| >| > >
>| >| >| >|| >| > > Subject:
>| Re:
>| >| Why
>| >| >| >|| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 109
>| >| >| >|| >| > X-Priority: 3
>| >| >| >|| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>| >| >| >|| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
>| >| >| >|| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
V6.00.2900.5579
>| >| >| >|| >| > Message-ID: >
>| >| >| >|| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
>| >| >| >|| >| > X-Complaints-To:
>| >| >| >|| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789611 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19
>| Sep
>| >| 2008
>| >| >| >|| >| > 02:00:11 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008
>| 02:00:11
>| >| UTC
>| >| >| >|| >| > Organization: Cox
>| >| >| >|| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:03 -0500
>| >| >| >|| >| >
>| >| >| >|| >| >
>| >| >| >|| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| >| >| >|| >| > .. .
>| >| >| >|| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:BkzAk.9130
$PS3.8242
>| >| >| >|| @newsfe06.iad:
>| >| >| >|| >| >|
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >
>| >| >| >|| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| >| >| >|| >| >| > .. .
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:Z0hAk.14223
>| $Dj1.9558
>| >| >| >|| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>> ...
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>> news:gas5vn$p43$11
@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:fUgAk.14183
>| >| $Dj1.8609
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >> @newsfe01.iad:
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
message
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>> news:gas5h7$p43$4
>| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> :
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
message
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>> news:gas4qj$p43$1
>| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> :
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
>| message
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> news:Xns9B1CE6A9AECA3****upropeeh@
>| >| 208.90.168.18...
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Bertie
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> Why you can't.
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>> Bertie
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>> Why you can't.
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're
saying
>| >| here,
>| >| >| do
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> you, illiterate boi?
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>> Bertie
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>> Why you don't?
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>> And there it is again..
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>> Good thing there's usually a picture on the
mens
>| room
>| >| >| door
>| >| >| >|| or
>| >| >| >|| >| >| you'd
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >> be
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>> Bertie
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>> Why not you do.
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>> And this my good friends, is how you keep a moron
>| busy
>| >| for
>| >| >| 30
>| >| >| >|| >| >| minutes.
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >> aww, give me some credit Maxine. It's been months
>| now.
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >> bertie
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >
>| >| >| >|| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >
>| >| >| >|| >| >| >
>| >| >| >|| >| >|
>| >| >| >|| >| >| Oh no! You're wearing me down!
>| >| >| >|| >| >|
>| >| >| >|| >| >| Stoooooop!
>| >| >| >|| >| >|
>| >| >| >|| >| >| Bertie
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>| >| >| >|| >| I'm sooooo tired!
>| >| >| >|| >|
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>| >| >| >|| >| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwha!
>| >| >| >|| >|
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>| >| >| >|| >| Bertie
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>| >| Awww, yer lusin Maxine, and you don't even know it.
>| >|
>| >| Part of your charm, of course.
>| >|
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>| >| >| >| >| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> John Godwin > wrote in
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> news:Xns9B1BD7A3321FBAvSvcs@ 208.49.82.60:
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> news:AQXzk.30648$kh2.23388
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>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> In the case of light plane tires, I agree with
you
>| >| that
>| >| >| >| really
>| >| >| >| >| >| dry
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> air should work well enough to make the issue
>| >| trivial.
>| >| >| >| But,
>| >| >| >| >| if
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> you need nitrogen for any other reason, it is
the
>| >| >| cheapest
>| >| >| >| >| thing
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> that I know of in an L bottle or larger and
using
>| it
>| >| in
>| >| >| the
>| >| >| >| >| tires
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> may be essentially free--because you may have
to
>| pay
>| >| >| rental
>| >| >| >| on
>| >| >| >| >| >| the
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> tanks if they are not refilled at a prescribed
>| >| interval.
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> My daughter is a Crew Chief on a C-130 Herc and
>| said
>| >| that
>| >| >| >| >| Nitrogen
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> is used in the struts.
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> Your daughter smokes cigars?
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> Bertie
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>> You're a dumb ass.
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

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>| >| >| >| >| >| >> Nope.
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>| >| >| >| >| >| >> Bertie
>| >| >| >| >| >| >
>| >| >| >| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
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>| >| >| >| >| >| Please stop! You're hurting meeeeeee!
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>| >| >| >| >| >| Bwahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwh!
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>| >| >| >| >| awww, Maxine is trying some UPA!
>| >| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >| >|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:wIDAk.13283$rV4.3854
| @newsfe03.iad:
| >|
| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619330
| >| > Path:
| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!69.16.1 85.11.MISMATCH!
| >| npeer0
| >| > 1.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-
| me.highwinds-
| >| me
| >| > dia.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe03.iad.POSTED!
| 7564ea0f!
| >| not
| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| > References: >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > >
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| >| > > <gapjoe$ksn$1
| @aioe.org>
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| >| > >
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| >| > >
| >| > > Subject: Re: Why
| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 52
| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789596 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008
| >| > 01:59:56 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:59:56 UTC
| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:59:49 -0500
| >| >
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:NkzAk.9131$PS3.2342
| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:86hAk.14226$Dj1.12895
| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >>> .. .
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>> Aww, and now you cuttin and pasting your replies..
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>> Bwawahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahh wha!
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >>> Learn to read.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> I know how. Read many many books.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> I didn't cut and paste anything. Just your head rattling
| >| >| >>> again.
| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> Yeh, OK illiterate boi.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Snort!
| >| >|
| >| >| bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Snort!
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
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[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:YHSAk.19896$PK.8013
| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:d9RAk.11463$PS3.2888
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| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:LIDAk.13284$rV4.5522
| >| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619331
| >| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| >| > news.glorb.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| >| news.highwinds-
| >| >| >| >| media.com
| >| >| >| >| > !feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad.highwinds-
| media.com!
| >| >| >| >| newsfe03.ia
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| >| >| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| >| >| > References: >
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| >| >| >| >| > > <Z0hAk.14223$Dj1.9558
| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad>
| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| > > Subject: Re:
| >| Why
| >| >| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 109
| >| >| >| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >| >| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >| >| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >| >| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >| >| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| >| >| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >| >| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >| >| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789611 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep
| >| 2008
| >| >| >| >| > 02:00:11 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:00:11
| >| UTC
| >| >| >| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >| >| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:03 -0500
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:BkzAk.9130$PS3.8242
| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
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| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:Z0hAk.14223
| $Dj1.9558
| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >>> ...
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:fUgAk.14183
| >| $Dj1.8609
| >| >| >| >| >| >> @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> ...
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> :
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> news:gas4qj$p43$1
| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> :
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
| message
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> news:Xns9B1CE6A9AECA3****upropeeh@
| >| 208.90.168.18...
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying
| >| here,
| >| >| do
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> you, illiterate boi?
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> Why you don't?
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> And there it is again..
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Good thing there's usually a picture on the mens
| room
| >| >| door
| >| >| >| or
| >| >| >| >| >| you'd
| >| >| >| >| >| >> be
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> Why not you do.
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>> And this my good friends, is how you keep a moron
| busy
| >| for
| >| >| 30
| >| >| >| >| >| minutes.
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >> aww, give me some credit Maxine. It's been months now.
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >> bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| Oh no! You're wearing me down!
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| Stoooooop!
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| I'm sooooo tired!
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwha!
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| That it, you just going to do this forever?
| >|
| >| OK
| >|
| >|
| >| That busted Urinal is in the bag, Maxie.
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
|
| Hehe
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:v9RAk.11465$PS3.924
| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:kJDAk.13286$rV4.1278
| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619333
| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| > wns11feed!worldnet.att.net!63.218.45.11!
| >| nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!
| >| >| >| news
| >| >| >| > hosting.com!69.16.185.11.MISMATCH!npeer01.iad.high winds-
| >| media.com!
| >| >| >| news.
| >| >| >| > highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!
| >| >| post02.iad.highwinds-
| >| >| >| me
| >| >| >| > dia.com!newsfe03.iad.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From:
| "Mick"
| >| >| >| > <@_#`~#@.^net> Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| >| > References: >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| <8a4950eac1beb@uwe>
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > > Subject: Re:
| Why
| >| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 279
| >| >| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| >| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789648 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep
| 2008
| >| >| >| > 02:00:48 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:00:48
| UTC
| >| >| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:41 -0500
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:PjzAk.9125$PS3.1317
| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| >> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
| >| news:csYzk.30660
| >| >| >| >| $kh2.574
| >| >| >| >| >> @bignews3.bellsouth.net:
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >>> ...
| >| >| >| >| >>>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >>>> :
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>> "JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote in
| >| message
| >| >| >| >| >>>>> news:8a4950eac1beb@uwe...
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> Peter Dohm wrote:
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>The only difference that would make nitrogen seen
| really
| >| >| >| >| beneficial
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>to me would be in the case of an aircraft which is
| kept
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>hangared
| >| >| >| >| >> and
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>seldom operated. Then, if the tire threads last a
| >| number
| >| >| of
| >| >| >| >| years,
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>and the tires are sheltered from UV radiation, the
| inert
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>nature
| >| >| >| >| of
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>the nitrogen could be usefull.
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> In theory, perhaps. In practice, tires oxidize from
| >| the
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> outside
| >| >| >| >| >> as
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> well
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> as
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> the inside. I've noticed that every time I've bought
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> expensive, long-life tires, they have to be chucked
| >| because
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> the sidewalls
| >| >| >| >| are
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> rotting, even though
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> the tread is still good. It's not just air, but
| >| pollutants
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> (particularly in
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> the cities). Ozone, a common urban pollutant, is
| >| >| particularly
| >| >| >| >| bad
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> for tires.
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the
| >| >| greenies
| >| >| >| >| have
| >| >| >| >| >>>>> decided that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling
| >| >| oxygen)
| >| >| >| >| >>>>> and
| >| >| >| >| >> O3
| >| >| >| >| >>>>> (which is nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are
| >| >| "pollutants"
| >| >| >| >| >>>>> according to the strange reasoning of their adled
| brains,
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>> Here is an explanation for you.
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>> If you find it too difficult to understand I'll have a
| >| look
| >| >| >| >| >>>> around
| >| >| >| >| >> for
| >| >| >| >| >>>> the Litle Golden Book of Wonder version for you.
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/globalchange/global_warming/03.html
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >>> You are too kind!
| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >>> BTW, it did make a good case for the expansion of
| nuclear
| >| >| power--
| >| >| >| >| which
| >| >| >| >| >> I
| >| >| >| >| >>> have long favored.
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> No, it didn't.
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> Maybe if I find something with pictures for you.
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Shooting for another AUP violation fjukkkwit?
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Bertie''
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Snort!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Snort snort snort snort snort
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| n
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Morgans" > wrote in
| >| :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Allen" > wrote
| >| >
| >| >> The Lear does have an emergency pressurization system. When the
| >| >> cabin altitude reaches (I believe) 12,000' there is a valve that
| >| >> opens and puts full, uncooled bleed air into the cabin. There is no
| >| >> mistaking when this happens; it is loud and it is hot.
| >| >
| >| > Yeah, I'll bet that is exciting!
| >| >
| >| > Let's see, death by altitude blackout, or death by cooking like a
| >| > lobster. Which would I choose? <g>
| >| >
| >| > Interesting. I didn't know that. I wonder why the Payne Stewart
| >| > plane (Lear 35) did not have that system activate.
| >|
| >| oh brother.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
| Oh fjukkktard.
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:MNSAk.19999$PK.5210
| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:K9RAk.11466$PS3.9779
| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:s0EAk.13305$rV4.6925
| >| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619347
| >| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!
| >| >| 69.16.185.21.MISMATCH!
| >| >| >| >| npeer0
| >| >| >| >| > 3.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-
| >| >| >| me.highwinds-
| >| >| >| >| me
| >| >| >| >| > dia.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| newsfe03.iad.POSTED!
| >| >| >| 7564ea0f!
| >| >| >| >| not
| >| >| >| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| >| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| >| >| > References: >
| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| > > Subject: Re:
| >| Why
| >| >| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 13
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:aaTAk.20381$PK.19110
| @newsfe04.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:6VSAk.20124$PK.5685
| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:YHSAk.19896$PK.8013
| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:d9RAk.11463$PS3.2888
| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:LIDAk.13284$rV4.5522
| >| >| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619331
| >| >| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| >| >| > news.glorb.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| >| >| news.highwinds-
| >| >| >| >| >| media.com
| >| >| >| >| >| > !feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad.highwinds-
| >| media.com!
| >| >| >| >| >| newsfe03.ia
| >| >| >| >| >| > d.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.
| ^net>
| >| >| >| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| >| >| >| > References: >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > > <gapjoe
| $ksn$1
| >| >| >| >| @aioe.org>
| >| >| >| >| >| > > <garskj$c4t$1
| >| >| @aioe.org>
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > > <Z0hAk.14223$Dj1.9558
| >| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad>
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > > Subject:
| Re:
| >| >| Why
| >| >| >| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 109
| >| >| >| >| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >| >| >| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >| >| >| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >| >| >| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
| V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >| >| >| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| >| >| >| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >| >| >| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >| >| >| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789611 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19
| Sep
| >| >| 2008
| >| >| >| >| >| > 02:00:11 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008
| 02:00:11
| >| >| UTC
| >| >| >| >| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >| >| >| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:03 -0500
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:BkzAk.9130
| $PS3.8242
| >| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:Z0hAk.14223
| >| $Dj1.9558
| >| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>> ...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> news:gas5vn$p43$11
| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:fUgAk.14183
| >| >| $Dj1.8609
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> news:gas5h7$p43$4
| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> :
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
| message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> news:gas4qj$p43$1
| >| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> :
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
| >| message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> news:Xns9B1CE6A9AECA3****upropeeh@
| >| >| 208.90.168.18...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're
| saying
| >| >| here,
| >| >| >| do
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> you, illiterate boi?
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> Why you don't?
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> And there it is again..
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Good thing there's usually a picture on the mens
| >| room
| >| >| >| door
| >| >| >| >| or
| >| >| >| >| >| >| you'd
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> be
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> Why not you do.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>> And this my good friends, is how you keep a moron
| >| busy
| >| >| for
| >| >| >| 30
| >| >| >| >| >| >| minutes.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> aww, give me some credit Maxine. It's been months
| now.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| Oh no! You're wearing me down!
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| Stoooooop!
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >
|>| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| I'm sooooo tired!
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwha!
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| That it, you just going to do this forever?
| >| >|
| >| >| OK
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| That busted Urinal is in the bag, Maxie.
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Hehe
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| You can try,m but I can tell you how it's going to go, Maxine..
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Morgans" > wrote in
| >| >| :
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Allen" > wrote
| >| >| >
| >| >| >> The Lear does have an emergency pressurization system. When
| >| >| >> the cabin altitude reaches (I believe) 12,000' there is a valve
| >| >| >> that opens and puts full, uncooled bleed air into the cabin.
| >| >| >> There is no mistaking when this happens; it is loud and it is
| >| >| >> hot.
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Yeah, I'll bet that is exciting!
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Let's see, death by altitude blackout, or death by cooking like
| >| >| > a lobster. Which would I choose? <g>
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Interesting. I didn't know that. I wonder why the Payne
| >| >| > Stewart plane (Lear 35) did not have that system activate.
| >| >|
| >| >| oh brother.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Oh fjukkktard.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| Oh Fjukkwit.
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Watson[_3_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:_aTAk.20399$PK.5518
| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:MNSAk.19999$PK.5210
| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:K9RAk.11466$PS3.9779
| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:s0EAk.13305$rV4.6925
| >| >| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619347
| >| >| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| >| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!
| >| >| >| 69.16.185.21.MISMATCH!
| >| >| >| >| >| npeer0
| >| >| >| >| >| > 3.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!
| feed-
| >| >| >| >| me.highwinds-
| >| >| >| >| >| me
| >| >| >| >| >| > dia.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| >| newsfe03.iad.POSTED!
| >| >| >| >| 7564ea0f!
| >| >| >| >| >| not
| >| >| >| >| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| >| >| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| >| >| >| > References: >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > > Subject:
| Re:
| >| >| Why
| >| >| >| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 13
| >| >|
| >| >|
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| Snbort!
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:aaTAk.20381$PK.19110
| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:6VSAk.20124$PK.5685
| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:YHSAk.19896$PK.8013
| >| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:d9RAk.11463$PS3.2888
| >| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:LIDAk.13284
| $rV4.5522
| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619331
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > news.glorb.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| >| >| >| news.highwinds-
| >| >| >| >| >| >| media.com
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > !feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad.highwinds-
| >| >| media.com!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| newsfe03.ia
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > d.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Mick"
| <@_#`~#@.
| >| ^net>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > References: >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
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| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > > <gapjoe
| >| $ksn$1
| >| >| >| >| >| @aioe.org>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > > <garskj$c4t
| $1
| >| >| >| @aioe.org>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
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| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > > <Z0hAk.14223
| $Dj1.9558
| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| Subject:
| >| Re:
| >| >| >| Why
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 109
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express
| 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
| >| V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789611 68.13.227.40 (Fri,
| 19
| >| Sep
| >| >| >| 2008
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > 02:00:11 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008
| >| 02:00:11
| >| >| >| UTC
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:03 -0500
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:BkzAk.9130
| >| $PS3.8242
| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > news:gas6hi$p43$15
| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:Z0hAk.14223
| >| >| $Dj1.9558
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>> ...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
| message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> news:gas5vn$p43$11
| >| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| news:fUgAk.14183
| >| >| >| $Dj1.8609
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
| message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> news:gas5h7$p43$4
| >| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> :
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
| >| message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> news:gas4qj$p43$1
| >| >| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> :
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
| >| >| message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> news:Xns9B1CE6A9AECA3****upropeeh@
| >| >| >| 208.90.168.18...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what you're
| >| saying
| >| >| >| here,
| >| >| >| >| do
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> you, illiterate boi?
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> Why you don't?
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> And there it is again..
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Good thing there's usually a picture on the
| mens
| >| >| room
| >| >| >| >| door
| >| >| >| >| >| or
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| you'd
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> be
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> Why not you do.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>> And this my good friends, is how you keep a
| moron
| >| >| busy
| >| >| >| for
| >| >| >| >| 30
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| minutes.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> aww, give me some credit Maxine. It's been
| months
| >| now.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| Oh no! You're wearing me down!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| Stoooooop!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >|>| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| I'm sooooo tired!
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwha!
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| That it, you just going to do this forever?
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| OK
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| That busted Urinal is in the bag, Maxie.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Hehe
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| You can try,m but I can tell you how it's going to go, Maxine..
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| Not even breaking a sweat, fjukkktard.
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:3J7Bk.10940$Il.4029
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| "Morgans" > wrote in
| >| >| >| :
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Allen" > wrote
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >> The Lear does have an emergency pressurization system. When
| >| >| >| >> the cabin altitude reaches (I believe) 12,000' there is a
| valve
| >| >| >| >> that opens and puts full, uncooled bleed air into the cabin.
| >| >| >| >> There is no mistaking when this happens; it is loud and it
| is
| >| >| >| >> hot.
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > Yeah, I'll bet that is exciting!
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > Let's see, death by altitude blackout, or death by cooking
| like
| >| >| >| > a lobster. Which would I choose? <g>
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > Interesting. I didn't know that. I wonder why the Payne
| >| >| >| > Stewart plane (Lear 35) did not have that system activate.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| oh brother.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Oh fjukkktard.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Oh Fjukkwit.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Watson" > wrote in news:48d55311$0$22232
| :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:CK7Bk.10950$Il.5024
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:_aTAk.20399$PK.5518
| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:MNSAk.19999$PK.5210
| >| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:K9RAk.11466$PS3.9779
| >| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:s0EAk.13305
| $rV4.6925
| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619347
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!
| >| >| >| >| 69.16.185.21.MISMATCH!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| npeer0
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > 3.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!
| >| feed-
| >| >| >| >| >| me.highwinds-
| >| >| >| >| >| >| me
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > dia.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| >| >| newsfe03.iad.POSTED!
| >| >| >| >| >| 7564ea0f!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| not
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > References: >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| Subject:
| >| Re:
| >| >| >| Why
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 13
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >
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| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Snbort!
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:_aTAk.20399$PK.5518
| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:MNSAk.19999$PK.5210
| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:K9RAk.11466$PS3.9779
| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:s0EAk.13305$rV4.6925
| >| >| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619347
| >| >| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| >| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!
| >| >| >| 69.16.185.21.MISMATCH!
| >| >| >| >| >| npeer0
| >| >| >| >| >| > 3.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!
| feed-
| >| >| >| >| me.highwinds-
| >| >| >| >| >| me
| >| >| >| >| >| > dia.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| >| newsfe03.iad.POSTED!
| >| >| >| >| 7564ea0f!
| >| >| >| >| >| not
| >| >| >| >| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| >| >| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| >| >| >| > References: >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| > > Subject:
| Re:
| >| >| Why
| >| >| >| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 13
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
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| Snbort!
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >
| >| > ****y shot of your wife Butlipps, she's looked better.
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| awww, another IKYABWAI poast.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Lame, Maxine.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| Even lamer
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| :
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >
| >| >| > ****y shot of your wife Butlipps, she's looked better.
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| awww, another IKYABWAI poast.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Lame, Maxine.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Even lamer
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| and lamer again.
|
|
| bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:sQbBk.11280$Il.543
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:aaTAk.20381$PK.19110
| >| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:6VSAk.20124$PK.5685
| >| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:YHSAk.19896$PK.8013
| >| >| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:d9RAk.11463
| $PS3.2888
| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:LIDAk.13284
| >| $rV4.5522
| >| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619331
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > news.glorb.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| >| >| >| >| news.highwinds-
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| media.com
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > !feed-me.highwinds-media.com!
| post02.iad.highwinds-
| >| >| >| media.com!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| newsfe03.ia
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > d.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Mick"
| >| <@_#`~#@.
| >| >| ^net>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > References: <B2Bzk.502$YU2.124
| @nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
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| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| <gapjoe
| >| >| $ksn$1
| >| >| >| >| >| >| @aioe.org>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > > <garskj
| $c4t
| >| $1
| >| >| >| >| @aioe.org>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > > <Z0hAk.14223
| >| $Dj1.9558
| >| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| Subject:
| >| >| Re:
| >| >| >| >| Why
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 109
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express
| >| 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
| >| >| V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789611 68.13.227.40
| (Fri,
| >| 19
| >| >| Sep
| >| >| >| >| 2008
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > 02:00:11 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008
| >| >| 02:00:11
| >| >| >| >| UTC
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:03 -0500
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > news:gaus19$1cd$16
| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:BkzAk.9130
| >| >| $PS3.8242
| >| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
| message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > news:gas6hi$p43$15
| >| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| news:Z0hAk.14223
| >| >| >| $Dj1.9558
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>> ...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
| >| message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> news:gas5vn$p43$11
| >| >| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| news:fUgAk.14183
| >| >| >| >| $Dj1.8609
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
| >| message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> news:gas5h7$p43$4
| >| >| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> :
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
| >| >| message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> news:gas4qj$p43$1
| >| >| >| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> :
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote
| in
| >| >| >| message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> news:Xns9B1CE6A9AECA3****upropeeh@
| >| >| >| >| 208.90.168.18...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what
| you're
| >| >| saying
| >| >| >| >| here,
| >| >| >| >| >| do
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> you, illiterate boi?
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> Why you don't?
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> And there it is again..
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Good thing there's usually a picture on
| the
| >| mens
| >| >| >| room
| >| >| >| >| >| door
| >| >| >| >| >| >| or
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| you'd
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> be
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> Why not you do.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>> And this my good friends, is how you keep a
| >| moron
| >| >| >| busy
| >| >| >| >| for
| >| >| >| >| >| 30
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| minutes.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> aww, give me some credit Maxine. It's been
| >| months
| >| >| now.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| Oh no! You're wearing me down!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| Stoooooop!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >|>| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| I'm sooooo tired!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwha!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| That it, you just going to do this forever?
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| OK
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| That busted Urinal is in the bag, Maxie.
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Hehe
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| You can try,m but I can tell you how it's going to go, Maxine..
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Not even breaking a sweat, fjukkktard.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| Still not even breaking a sweat...
|
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:19RAk.11462$PS3.7677
| @newsfe06.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:wIDAk.13283$rV4.3854
| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619330
| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!
| 69.16.185.11.MISMATCH!
| >| >| npeer0
| >| >| > 1.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-
| >| me.highwinds-
| >| >| me
| >| >| > dia.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe03.iad.POSTED!
| >| 7564ea0f!
| >| >| not
| >| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| > References: >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > > <gapjoe$ksn$1
| >| @aioe.org>
| >| >| > > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > >
| >| >| > > Subject: Re: Why
| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 52
| >| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789596 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008
| >| >| > 01:59:56 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:59:56 UTC
| >| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:59:49 -0500
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:NkzAk.9131$PS3.2342
| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:86hAk.14226$Dj1.12895
| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >>> .. .
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>> Aww, and now you cuttin and pasting your replies..
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>> Bwawahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahh wha!
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >>> Learn to read.
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> I know how. Read many many books.
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> I didn't cut and paste anything. Just your head rattling
| >| >| >| >>> again.
| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> Yeh, OK illiterate boi.
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> Bertie
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Snort!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Snort!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| > Be more careful Buttlipps, you forgot to cross post two of them this
| > time.
| >
| >
| >
|
| Forged?
|
|
| You're a moron
|
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Watson" > wrote in news:48d55311$0$22232
| >| :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:z1cBk.11305$Il.3577
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:CK7Bk.10950$Il.5024
| >| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:_aTAk.20399$PK.5518
| >| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:MNSAk.19999$PK.5210
| >| >| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:K9RAk.11466
| $PS3.9779
| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:s0EAk.13305
| >| $rV4.6925
| >| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619347
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!
| >| >| >| >| >| 69.16.185.21.MISMATCH!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| npeer0
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > 3.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-
| media.com!
| >| >| feed-
| >| >| >| >| >| >| me.highwinds-
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| me
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > dia.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| >| >| >| newsfe03.iad.POSTED!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| 7564ea0f!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| not
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > References: <B2Bzk.502$YU2.124
| @nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| Subject:
| >| >| Re:
| >| >| >| >| Why
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 13
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Snbort!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
| Sncort
| !
|
|
|
| Bertie
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:_aTAk.20399$PK.5518
| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:MNSAk.19999$PK.5210
| >| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:K9RAk.11466$PS3.9779
| >| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
|
|
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:CK7Bk.10950$Il.5024
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| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:_aTAk.20399$PK.5518
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| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:MNSAk.19999$PK.5210
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| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:K9RAk.11466$PS3.9779
| >| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >|
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| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:s0EAk.13305
| $rV4.6925
| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619347
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!
| >| >| >| >| 69.16.185.21.MISMATCH!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| npeer0
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > 3.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!
| >| feed-
| >| >| >| >| >| me.highwinds-
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| >| >| >| >| >| >| > dia.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| >| >| newsfe03.iad.POSTED!
| >| >| >| >| >| 7564ea0f!
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| >| >| >| >| >| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
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| >| Re:
| >| >| >| Why
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 13
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[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:A_FBk.28762$rV4.9844
| @newsfe03.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| :
| >| >|
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| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
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| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > ****y shot of your wife Butlipps, she's looked better.
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| >| >| >| awww, another IKYABWAI poast.
| >| >| >|
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| >| >| >| Lame, Maxine.
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| >| >| >| Bertie
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| >| >| Even lamer
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| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| and lamer again.
| >|
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| >| bertie
| >
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[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:POFBk.28744$rV4.20399
| @newsfe03.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:occBk.11324$Il.2630
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:sQbBk.11280$Il.543
| >| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:aaTAk.20381$PK.19110
| >| >| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
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| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:6VSAk.20124$PK.5685
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| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:YHSAk.19896
| $PK.8013
| >| >| >| >| @newsfe04.iad:
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| >| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:d9RAk.11463
| >| $PS3.2888
| >| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > news:gavl34$bsc$25
| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:LIDAk.13284
| >| >| $rV4.5522
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619331
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > news.glorb.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-
| media.com!
| >| >| >| >| >| news.highwinds-
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| media.com
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > !feed-me.highwinds-media.com!
| >| post02.iad.highwinds-
| >| >| >| >| media.com!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| newsfe03.ia
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > d.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Mick"
| >| >| <@_#`~#@.
| >| >| >| ^net>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > References: <B2Bzk.502$YU2.124
| >| @nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
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| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| <gapjoe
| >| >| >| $ksn$1
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| @aioe.org>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
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| >| $c4t
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| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > > <Z0hAk.14223
| >| >| $Dj1.9558
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| Subject:
| >| >| >| Re:
| >| >| >| >| >| Why
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 109
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express
| >| >| 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
| >| >| >| V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Message-ID: <LIDAk.13284$rV4.5522
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| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789611 68.13.227.40
| >| (Fri,
| >| >| 19
| >| >| >| Sep
| >| >| >| >| >| 2008
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > 02:00:11 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep
| 2008
| >| >| >| 02:00:11
| >| >| >| >| >| UTC
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:03 -0500
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
| message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > news:gaus19$1cd$16
| >| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| news:BkzAk.9130
| >| >| >| $PS3.8242
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
| >| message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > news:gas6hi$p43$15
| >| >| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| news:Z0hAk.14223
| >| >| >| >| $Dj1.9558
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>> ...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
| >| >| message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> news:gas5vn$p43$11
| >| >| >| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| news:fUgAk.14183
| >| >| >| >| >| $Dj1.8609
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote
| in
| >| >| message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> news:gas5h7$p43$4
| >| >| >| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> news:uNgAk.14078$Dj1.6618
| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote
| in
| >| >| >| message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> news:gas4qj$p43$1
| >| >| >| >| @blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> news:gAgAk.13816$Dj1.930
| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" >
| wrote
| >| in
| >| >| >| >| message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> news:Xns9B1CE6A9AECA3****upropeeh@
| >| >| >| >| >| 208.90.168.18...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Learn to read...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> And you might learn to write.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>> Why you can't.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> Yeh. You really don't realise what
| >| you're
| >| >| >| saying
| >| >| >| >| >| here,
| >| >| >| >| >| >| do
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> you, illiterate boi?
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>> Why you don't?
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> And there it is again..
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Good thing there's usually a picture on
| >| the
| >| >| mens
| >| >| >| >| room
| >| >| >| >| >| >| door
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| or
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| you'd
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> be
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> peeing in the transformer room, eh?
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Zaaaaaaapppp!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> Why not you do.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>> And this my good friends, is how you keep
| a
| >| >| moron
| >| >| >| >| busy
| >| >| >| >| >| for
| >| >| >| >| >| >| 30
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| minutes.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> aww, give me some credit Maxine. It's been
| >| >| months
| >| >| >| now.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >> bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| Oh no! You're wearing me down!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| Stoooooop!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >|>| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| I'm sooooo tired!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwha!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
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| >| >| >| >| >| That it, you just going to do this forever?
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| >| >| >| >| >| OK
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| >| >| >| >| >| That busted Urinal is in the bag, Maxie.
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| >| >| >| >| >| Bertie
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| >| >| >| >| Hehe
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| >| >| >| >| Bertie
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| >| >| >| You can try,m but I can tell you how it's going to go, Maxine..
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| >| >| Not even breaking a sweat, fjukkktard.
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[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:VKbBk.11257$Il.10850
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:19RAk.11462$PS3.7677
| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:wIDAk.13283$rV4.3854
| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619330
| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!
| >| 69.16.185.11.MISMATCH!
| >| >| >| npeer0
| >| >| >| > 1.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-
| >| >| me.highwinds-
| >| >| >| me
| >| >| >| > dia.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe03.iad.POSTED!
| >| >| 7564ea0f!
| >| >| >| not
| >| >| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| >| > References: >
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| >| >| >| > > <gapjoe$ksn$1
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| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| > > Subject: Re:
| Why
| >| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 52
| >| >| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| >| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789596 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep
| 2008
| >| >| >| > 01:59:56 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:59:56
| UTC
| >| >| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:59:49 -0500
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| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:NkzAk.9131$PS3.2342
| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:86hAk.14226$Dj1.12895
| >| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >>> .. .
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>> Aww, and now you cuttin and pasting your replies..
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>> Bwawahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahh wha!
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >>> Learn to read.
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> I know how. Read many many books.
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> I didn't cut and paste anything. Just your head rattling
| >| >| >| >| >>> again.
| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> Yeh, OK illiterate boi.
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| >| >| >| >| >> Bertie
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| >| >| >| >| > You're a cross posting dumb ass.
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| >| >| >| >| Snort!
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| >| >| >| Snort!
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[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >| > Be more careful Buttlipps, you forgot to cross post two of them this
| >| > time.
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| >| Forged?
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| >| You're a moron
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| >| Bertie
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[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:rTFBk.28749$rV4.12376
| @newsfe03.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:z1cBk.11305$Il.3577
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
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| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:_aTAk.20399$PK.5518
| >| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
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| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:MNSAk.19999$PK.5210
| >| >| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:K9RAk.11466
| $PS3.9779
| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:rTFBk.28749$rV4.12376
| @newsfe03.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:z1cBk.11305$Il.3577
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:CK7Bk.10950$Il.5024
| >| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:_aTAk.20399$PK.5518
| >| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:MNSAk.19999$PK.5210
| >| >| >| @newsfe04.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:K9RAk.11466
| $PS3.9779
| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:s0EAk.13305
| >| $rV4.6925
| >| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619347
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!
| >| >| >| >| >| 69.16.185.21.MISMATCH!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| npeer0
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > 3.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-
| media.com!
| >| >| feed-
| >| >| >| >| >| >| me.highwinds-
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| me
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > dia.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| >| >| >| newsfe03.iad.POSTED!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| 7564ea0f!
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| not
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > References: <B2Bzk.502$YU2.124
| @nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com>
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
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| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > >
| >| Subject:
| >| >| Re:
| >| >| >| >| Why
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[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:Mc4Ck.17858$wr1.10542
| @newsfe02.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:VKbBk.11257$Il.10850
| >| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:19RAk.11462$PS3.7677
| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:wIDAk.13283$rV4.3854
| >| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619330
| >| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!
| >| >| 69.16.185.11.MISMATCH!
| >| >| >| >| npeer0
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| >| >| >| >| > dia.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!
| newsfe03.iad.POSTED!
| >| >| >| 7564ea0f!
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| >| >| >| >| > -for-mail From: "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net>
| >| >| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
| >| >| >| >| > References: >
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| >| >| >| >| > > Subject: Re:
| >| Why
| >| >| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 52
| >| >| >| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >| >| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >| >| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >| >| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >| >| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| >| >| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >| >| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >| >| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789596 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep
| >| 2008
| >| >| >| >| > 01:59:56 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:59:56
| >| UTC
| >| >| >| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >| >| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:59:49 -0500
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| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:NkzAk.9131$PS3.2342
| >| >| >| @newsfe06.iad:
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| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| >| >| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:86hAk.14226
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| >| >| >| >| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> Aww, and now you cuttin and pasting your replies..
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
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| Bwawahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahh wha!
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>> Learn to read.
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| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >> I know how. Read many many books.
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| >| >| >| >| >| >> I didn't cut and paste anything. Just your head
| rattling
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| >| >| >| >| >| >> Yeh, OK illiterate boi.
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[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:Mc4Ck.17858$wr1.10542
| @newsfe02.iad:
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| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:VKbBk.11257$Il.10850
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| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:19RAk.11462$PS3.7677
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| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:wIDAk.13283$rV4.3854
| >| >| >| @newsfe03.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| > Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619330
| >| >| >| >| > Path:
| >| >| >| >| > nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!
| >| >| 69.16.185.11.MISMATCH!
| >| >| >| >| npeer0
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| >| >| >| me.highwinds-
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| >| >| >| 7564ea0f!
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| >| >| >| >| > Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
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| >| >| >| >| > > Subject: Re:
| >| Why
| >| >| >| >| > nitrogen? Lines: 52
| >| >| >| >| > X-Priority: 3
| >| >| >| >| > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >| >| >| >| > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| >| >| >| >| > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
| >| >| >| >| > Message-ID: >
| >| >| >| >| > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40
| >| >| >| >| > X-Complaints-To:
| >| >| >| >| > X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789596 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep
| >| 2008
| >| >| >| >| > 01:59:56 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:59:56
| >| UTC
| >| >| >| >| > Organization: Cox
| >| >| >| >| > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:59:49 -0500
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| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:NkzAk.9131$PS3.2342
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| >| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| >| >| >| >| >> "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:86hAk.14226
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| >| >| >| >| >| @newsfe01.iad:
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| >| >| >| >| >| >>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| >| >>> .. .
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> Aww, and now you cuttin and pasting your replies..
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| Bwawahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahh wha!
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>> Learn to read.
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >> I know how. Read many many books.
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >> I didn't cut and paste anything. Just your head
| rattling
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| >| >| >| >| >| >>>
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| >| >| >| >| >| >> Yeh, OK illiterate boi.
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[[email protected]]

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:25:21 -0700 (PDT), a > wrote:

>On Sep 15, 6:20*pm, a > wrote:
>> On Sep 15, 6:09*pm, "Viperdoc" > wrote:
>>
>> > The thread on brakes raised a question from the past- why nitrogen in the
>> > tires of big jets and heavies? Air is around 78% nitrogen anyway, and the
>> > coefficient of expansion of the remaining 20% that's oxygen can't make that
>> > much difference in volume.
>>
>> > Why not just use dry air? I couldn't imagine that dry air or dry nitrogen
>> > could make that much difference in corrosion, either.
>>
>> > I seem to recall someone giving me the rationale for this a long time ago,
>> > but also seem to remember thinking it didn't make that much sense at the
>> > time.
>>
>> The legend is that *the oxygen is reacting with the rubber. Even
>> though compressed air has the same fraction of oxygen as does the
>> atmosphere, the fact that it's compressed, it's been argued, increases
>> its reactivity. I can't validate the legend.
>
>I got curious, did a quick check. The process also reduces water
>vapor, and N2 does not migrate through the rubber as fast as does O2,
>so pressure stays more predictable. So it's more consistent tire
>pressure, less corrosion.

Howevwer even in air the % of O2 is considerably smaller than N2. I
practice I've never been able to see a difference. Possibly with the
old style "natural rubber" innertubes in aircrat tires it would make a
difference, but I doubt any of us would see any difference in todays
car and aircraft tires. I've not had to put air in the tires on
either car in over two years. It's been over a year on the Debonair
and the mains are still up to pressure. The nose gear which still has
the old Natural Rubber has to be filled about every two to three
months. OTOH I've nver tried N2 in it.


Technically O2 leaks about 3 times as fast in Natural Rubber as does
N2. However it that proved out in practice we'd actually be purifying
the N2 in the tires and after refilling them 3 or 4 times there would
be almost no O2 left.



Roger (K8RI) ARRL Life Member
N833R (World's oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com