Plane & car collide NTSB prilim

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The NTSB preliminary report is out: LAX08LA266 for N3156B

Though we'll probably never know, my wild guess from the description
and the fact that his last medical was in 1997 is that he opted for
one last ride while he was still able to get in the airplane.

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Jim Pennino

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[BT]

That seems like a rather ... but excuse me... STUPID statement to make..
If my research is correct.. the Titan Tornado qualifies as a Light Sport
Aircraft and a current medical would not be required.

Any Pilot of Any Rating level can fly a LSA without a valid medical as long
as he has not applied for and been denied a medical.


BT

> wrote in message
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> The NTSB preliminary report is out: LAX08LA266 for N3156B
>
> Though we'll probably never know, my wild guess from the description
> and the fact that his last medical was in 1997 is that he opted for
> one last ride while he was still able to get in the airplane.
>
> --
> Jim Pennino
>
> Remove .spam.sux to reply.

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BT > wrote:
> That seems like a rather ... but excuse me... STUPID statement to make..
> If my research is correct.. the Titan Tornado qualifies as a Light Sport
> Aircraft and a current medical would not be required.
>
> Any Pilot of Any Rating level can fly a LSA without a valid medical as long
> as he has not applied for and been denied a medical.
>
>
> BT
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> The NTSB preliminary report is out: LAX08LA266 for N3156B
>>
>> Though we'll probably never know, my wild guess from the description
>> and the fact that his last medical was in 1997 is that he opted for
>> one last ride while he was still able to get in the airplane.
>>
>> --
>> Jim Pennino
>>
>> Remove .spam.sux to reply.

Point missed entirely.

If the last medical was in 1997, and there is no reason to not take a
medical other than the fear of failure, do you imagine the person's health
has improved in those 11 years?


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[Vaughn Simon]

"BT" > wrote in message
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> Any Pilot of Any Rating level can fly a LSA without a valid medical as long as
> he has not applied for and been denied a medical.

No so. 61.23(c)(1), 61.23(c)(2)(i), and especially 61.23(c)(2)(iv).

Vaughn

[Jay Maynard]

On 2008-09-16, > wrote:
> If the last medical was in 1997, and there is no reason to not take a
> medical other than the fear of failure, do you imagine the person's health
> has improved in those 11 years?

It's a major stretch to go from this to assuming the guy wasn't in good
enough health to be airworthy. Lots of folks have issues that would get in
the way of a third class medical but neither make them ineligible to hold a
driver's license nor make them unsafe to fly. The fraction of folks who have
accidents caused by medical issues is tiny, and not significantly different
for light sport aviation from the general aviation population.
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AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC

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Jay Maynard > wrote:
> On 2008-09-16, > wrote:
>> If the last medical was in 1997, and there is no reason to not take a
>> medical other than the fear of failure, do you imagine the person's health
>> has improved in those 11 years?
>
> It's a major stretch to go from this to assuming the guy wasn't in good
> enough health to be airworthy. Lots of folks have issues that would get in
> the way of a third class medical but neither make them ineligible to hold a
> driver's license nor make them unsafe to fly. The fraction of folks who have
> accidents caused by medical issues is tiny, and not significantly different
> for light sport aviation from the general aviation population.

OK, wild ass guess number 2.

His health was just fine, but he lost everything in the stock market.

How many plausible reasons can you come up with for someone flying
along with freeway traffic then turning against it and flying 3 feet
off the ground?


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[Mick[_2_]]

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> OK, wild ass guess number 2.
>
> His health was just fine, but he lost everything in the stock market.
>
> How many plausible reasons can you come up with for someone flying
> along with freeway traffic then turning against it and flying 3 feet
> off the ground?
>

When he saw that Bertie had returned, it was just more than he could take.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :

>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> OK, wild ass guess number 2.
>>
>> His health was just fine, but he lost everything in the stock market.
>>
>> How many plausible reasons can you come up with for someone flying
>> along with freeway traffic then turning against it and flying 3 feet
>> off the ground?
>>
>
> When he saw that Bertie had returned, it was just more than he could
> take.
>
>
>

Ah. Power. Good thing i use it judiciously, eh?


Bertie

[BT]

so what's your point.. if he let his last Class3 expire and never
reapplied.. 61.23(c)(2)(iv) does not apply.
and as far as 61.23(c)(2)(i), how do you know if there were any restrictions
on his drivers license and he was not in compliance..
and as far as 61.23(c)(1).. are you saying he did not have a drivers
license?

So I take it that your point is... that he had to at least hold a valid
drivers license to fly the LSA.
Point taken

BT

"Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
...
>
> "BT" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Any Pilot of Any Rating level can fly a LSA without a valid medical as
>> long as he has not applied for and been denied a medical.
>
> No so. 61.23(c)(1), 61.23(c)(2)(i), and especially 61.23(c)(2)(iv).
>
> Vaughn
>

[BT]

Why guess...

If you are implying that it was intentional.. any one with intentions do not
hurt others in the process, he could have just as easily plowed into
something out in the desert to never be found.

BT

> wrote in message
...
> Jay Maynard > wrote:
>> On 2008-09-16, >
>> wrote:
>>> If the last medical was in 1997, and there is no reason to not take a
>>> medical other than the fear of failure, do you imagine the person's
>>> health
>>> has improved in those 11 years?
>>
>> It's a major stretch to go from this to assuming the guy wasn't in good
>> enough health to be airworthy. Lots of folks have issues that would get
>> in
>> the way of a third class medical but neither make them ineligible to hold
>> a
>> driver's license nor make them unsafe to fly. The fraction of folks who
>> have
>> accidents caused by medical issues is tiny, and not significantly
>> different
>> for light sport aviation from the general aviation population.
>
> OK, wild ass guess number 2.
>
> His health was just fine, but he lost everything in the stock market.
>
> How many plausible reasons can you come up with for someone flying
> along with freeway traffic then turning against it and flying 3 feet
> off the ground?
>
>
> --
> Jim Pennino
>
> Remove .spam.sux to reply.

[BT]

>
> Point missed entirely.
>
> If the last medical was in 1997, and there is no reason to not take a
> medical other than the fear of failure, do you imagine the person's health
> has improved in those 11 years?
>
>
> --
> Jim Pennino
>

Some people stop flying for financial reasons.. kids growing up, what ever..
And in the process they decide it is not worth keeping the medical up if
they cannot afford to fly.
and then find a way to get back into it..

Give it a rest
BT

[Jay Maynard]

On 2008-09-16, > wrote:
> How many plausible reasons can you come up with for someone flying
> along with freeway traffic then turning against it and flying 3 feet
> off the ground?

Dunno. Why does anyone ever do a buzz job? This could easily just be someone
trying to buzz traffic.
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http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC

[Vaughn Simon]

"BT" > wrote in message
...
>
> So I take it that your point is... that he had to at least hold a valid
> drivers license to fly the LSA.

I see that you did not bother to read the regs. Yes, you figured out one
point, you need a valid driver's license, but missed the most important one:
Even with a valid driver's license, you still can't fly an LSA with a known
medical condition that makes it unsafe for you to fly.

There is a third point that makes your original post wrong: What is it?


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> Point taken
>
> BT
>
> "Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "BT" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Any Pilot of Any Rating level can fly a LSA without a valid medical as long
>>> as he has not applied for and been denied a medical.
>>
>> No so. 61.23(c)(1), 61.23(c)(2)(i), and especially 61.23(c)(2)(iv).
>>
>> Vaughn
>>
>
>

[Jay Maynard]

On 2008-09-16, Vaughn Simon > wrote:
> Even with a valid driver's license, you still can't fly an LSA with a known
> medical condition that makes it unsafe for you to fly.

This does not mean, however, that a condition that would preclude an
automatic issuance of a third-class medical automatically makes it unsafe
for you to fly, and therefore a violation to fly as a sport pilot.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC

[Vaughn Simon]

"Jay Maynard" > wrote in message
...
>
> This does not mean, however, that a condition that would preclude an
> automatic issuance of a third-class medical automatically makes it unsafe
> for you to fly, and therefore a violation to fly as a sport pilot.

Agreed.

Vaughn