Preflighting my plane - Video [Archive]

September 19th 08, 09:00 PM

Today's flight, figured to video how I preflight my plane. Comments
here or on the video most welcomed. Always nice to hear input to make
me a safer pilot!

Preflighting an airplane Part 1
Walking to the airplane - Preflight inside the cockpit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jnz8ikkAlA

Preflighting an airplane Part 2
Preflighting the airplane walk around.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAhF-x1kvpQ

Preflighting an airplane Part 3
Inside the plane after preflight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4mkhUFHWa0

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

September 19th 08, 09:28 PM

" > wrote in news:baaaeed8-05e4-498d-
:

> Today's flight, figured to video how I preflight my plane. Comments
> here or on the video most welcomed. Always nice to hear input to make
> me a safer pilot!

Very Good. i didn;t watch all of it, but it's thorough and you use the
checklist.

Two thins I'd add to it if they're not already in there.

One, as you walk around, stand back every so often and look at the
airframe. You're looking for wrinkles in the skin or anything else that
might look strange.
Second, you should grab the wingtip and give the airplane a good shaking (
after the tiedowns are removed)
this does two things. Reveals some kinds of damage, like elongated wing
mounting holes and such, and perhaps more importantly, it will get any fuel
that might be hiding in the fuel tank away from the sump out of it's
depression and into the sump.

Bertie

[email protected]

September 19th 08, 09:43 PM

On Sep 19, 3:28*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

> One, as you walk around, stand back every so often and look at the
> airframe. You're looking for wrinkles in the skin or anything else that
> might look strange.

Definately good one for the checklist. Never thought of this and
while I always step back after doing the entire check list for a last
once over (long video - part 2, you will see me do this at the very
end) I never thought about skin wrinkles.

> mounting holes and such, and perhaps more importantly, it will get any fuel
> that might be hiding in the fuel tank away from the sump out of it's
> depression and into the sump.

Not quite sure I understand the above??

Obviously has something to do with the sump jiggies, and mine are
"spring loaded" and pressed in using the outer edge of the fuel sump
diddy rather then a center piece like a Cessna.

Does the style of sump make any difference?

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

September 19th 08, 09:47 PM

" > wrote in
:

> On Sep 19, 3:28*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>> One, as you walk around, stand back every so often and look at the
>> airframe. You're looking for wrinkles in the skin or anything else
>> that might look strange.
>
> Definately good one for the checklist. Never thought of this and
> while I always step back after doing the entire check list for a last
> once over (long video - part 2, you will see me do this at the very
> end) I never thought about skin wrinkles.
>
>> mounting holes and such, and perhaps more importantly, it will get
>> any fu
> el
>> that might be hiding in the fuel tank away from the sump out of it's
>> depression and into the sump.
>
> Not quite sure I understand the above??
>
> Obviously has something to do with the sump jiggies, and mine are
> "spring loaded" and pressed in using the outer edge of the fuel sump
> diddy rather then a center piece like a Cessna.
>
> Does the style of sump make any difference?

No, nothing to do with the sump drains themselves. The sump area is a
small depession at the bottom of the tank. All water in the tank should
go there by design. However most tanks have small imperfections in them
where water can get into and stick there. You do a nice calm walkaround
and drain your fuel and then when you start taxying, the water becomes
dislodged and gets into a feed port. With some designs, this can add up
to a lot of water...

Bertie
>

[email protected]

September 19th 08, 10:31 PM

On Sep 19, 3:47*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

> No, nothing to do with the sump drains themselves. The sump area is a
> small depession at the bottom of the tank. All water in the tank should
> go there by design. However most tanks have small imperfections in them
> where water can get into and stick there. You do a nice calm walkaround
> and drain your fuel and then when you start taxying, the water becomes
> dislodged and gets into a feed port. With some designs, this can add up
> to a lot of water...

Gotchya, gotchya and gotchya, never thought of what you say, and makes
perfect sense.

Tanks I have are "stainless steel" and not bladders, so I **think**I
have a lesser risk of water settling where it shouldn't be but like
you say, a good shake would be prudent to better assure the water
indeed does settle down to the sumps so it gets sumped out.

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

September 19th 08, 11:00 PM

" > wrote in news:7b0f558c-1f70-462f-
:

> On Sep 19, 3:47*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>> No, nothing to do with the sump drains themselves. The sump area is a
>> small depession at the bottom of the tank. All water in the tank should
>> go there by design. However most tanks have small imperfections in them
>> where water can get into and stick there. You do a nice calm walkaround
>> and drain your fuel and then when you start taxying, the water becomes
>> dislodged and gets into a feed port. With some designs, this can add up
>> to a lot of water...
>
> Gotchya, gotchya and gotchya, never thought of what you say, and makes
> perfect sense.
>
> Tanks I have are "stainless steel" and not bladders, so I **think**I
> have a lesser risk of water settling where it shouldn't be but like
> you say, a good shake would be prudent to better assure the water
> indeed does settle down to the sumps so it gets sumped out.

Depends on the type, but tin tanks are no kind of insurance against it. Try
it sometime. Drain some fuel, if there's some water, drain it all out and
then shake the airplane. Pretty sure you;ll get some more.

BTW, you're tanks are more than likely aluminum. I could be wrong, but I've
never seen stainless tanks in any airplane.

Bertie
>

a[_3_]

September 20th 08, 01:40 AM

On Sep 19, 6:00*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> " > wrote in news:7b0f558c-1f70-462f-
> :
>
>
>
> > On Sep 19, 3:47*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> >> No, nothing to do with the sump drains themselves. The sump area is a
> >> small depession at the bottom of the tank. All water in the tank should
> >> go there by design. However most tanks have small imperfections in them
> >> where water can get into and stick there. You do a nice calm walkaround
> >> and drain your fuel and then when you start taxying, the water becomes
> >> dislodged and gets into a feed port. With some designs, this can add up
> >> to a lot of water...
>
> > Gotchya, gotchya and gotchya, never thought of what you say, and makes
> > perfect sense.
>
> > Tanks I have are "stainless steel" and not bladders, so I **think**I
> > have a lesser risk of water settling where it shouldn't be but like
> > you say, a good shake would be prudent to better assure the water
> > indeed does settle down to the sumps so it gets sumped out.
>
> Depends on the type, but tin tanks are no kind of insurance against it. Try
> it sometime. Drain some fuel, if there's some water, drain it all out and
> then shake the airplane. Pretty sure you;ll get some more.
>
> BTW, you're tanks are more than likely aluminum. I could be wrong, but I've
> never seen stainless tanks in any airplane.
>
> Bertie
>
>

Big design flaw on the early M20J (Mooney 201) was the fuel tanks were
wet wing, and the seam sealant failed. If one smells gas in flight it
is NOT good, and we did. Huge pain in the ass to reseal. The other
thing about those tanks is the fuel caps were a little tricky to put
back right (this was back in the old days when the fuel truck would
come to the airplane) and if they were not put on right rain got in
big time. Nothing like draining a tank in a rain storm while wearing a
suit!

It was a lot of years ago but I was at a meeting in Rochester NY, got
to the airplane late, heavy rain, and got lots of water in the fuel
because the fuel caps were not on right. I wrote a letter of complaint
to the FBO, they kept it in mind and the next I I stopped there they
fueled the airplane for free. I should have taken a rain check on the
free refueling!

BTW, preflight checks don't end when you start the engine. A couple of
times in my couple of thousand hours I was approaching rotation speed
and a last look at the panel showed something not quite right. You're
not committed to the flight until there is not enough runway left to
stop! I approach every takeoff with the expectation I'll have to about
it, and every landing with the expectation I'll have to go around.
That mind set makes it a LOT easier to make the safe decision when you
have to.

This advice is worth exactly what you paid for it!

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

September 20th 08, 01:50 AM

a > wrote in
:

> On Sep 19, 6:00*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> " > wrote in
>> news:7b0f558c-1f70-462f-
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 19, 3:47*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>> >> No, nothing to do with the sump drains themselves. The sump area
>> >> is a small depession at the bottom of the tank. All water in the
>> >> tank shoul
> d
>> >> go there by design. However most tanks have small imperfections in
>> >> the
> m
>> >> where water can get into and stick there. You do a nice calm
>> >> walkaroun
> d
>> >> and drain your fuel and then when you start taxying, the water
>> >> becomes dislodged and gets into a feed port. With some designs,
>> >> this can add u
> p
>> >> to a lot of water...
>>
>> > Gotchya, gotchya and gotchya, never thought of what you say, and
>> > makes perfect sense.
>>
>> > Tanks I have are "stainless steel" and not bladders, so I
>> > **think**I have a lesser risk of water settling where it shouldn't
>> > be but like you say, a good shake would be prudent to better assure
>> > the water indeed does settle down to the sumps so it gets sumped
>> > out.
>>
>> Depends on the type, but tin tanks are no kind of insurance against
>> it. T
> ry
>> it sometime. Drain some fuel, if there's some water, drain it all out
>> and then shake the airplane. Pretty sure you;ll get some more.
>>
>> BTW, you're tanks are more than likely aluminum. I could be wrong,
>> but I'
> ve
>> never seen stainless tanks in any airplane.
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>>
>
> Big design flaw on the early M20J (Mooney 201) was the fuel tanks were
> wet wing, and the seam sealant failed. If one smells gas in flight it
> is NOT good, and we did. Huge pain in the ass to reseal. The other
> thing about those tanks is the fuel caps were a little tricky to put
> back right (this was back in the old days when the fuel truck would
> come to the airplane) and if they were not put on right rain got in
> big time. Nothing like draining a tank in a rain storm while wearing a
> suit!

Yeah, I know the caps you're talking about. They were a bitch to get on.
I sem to remember a lot of Mooneys having bladders, though. Earlier ones
maybe? Maybe wood wing airplanes?

Bertie

[email protected]

September 20th 08, 01:53 AM

On Sep 19, 5:00*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> " > wrote in news:7b0f558c-

epends on the type, but tin tanks are no kind of insurance against it.
Try
> it sometime. Drain some fuel, if there's some water, drain it all out and
> then shake the airplane. Pretty sure you;ll get some more.
>
> BTW, you're tanks are more than likely aluminum. I could be wrong, but I've
> never seen stainless tanks in any airplane.
>
> Bertie

Surprisingly, I can count on one hand getting water in the fuel and my
bet how it got in there is my carelessness on taking the caps off
after a rain and the residual rain underneath the lever sneaks into
the tank. But I will give what you say above a try, nothing gain,
nothing loss but the adventure.

AND YES, you are right, it's aluminum and I knew that, why stainless
steel came out of my keyboard is beyond my belief :-))

[email protected]

September 20th 08, 01:57 AM

On Sep 19, 7:40*pm, a > wrote:
> I approach every takeoff with the expectation I'll have to about
> it, and every landing with the expectation I'll have to go around.
> That mind set makes it a LOT easier to make the safe decision when you
> have to.

I do the same :-) as well as set physical parameters that I expect
certain things to happen. I.E wheels up by midfield or designated
1000 foot marker or abort, or if my wheels are not down by a certain
point, go around.

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

September 20th 08, 02:05 AM

" > wrote in
:

> On Sep 19, 5:00*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> " > wrote in news:7b0f558c-
>
> epends on the type, but tin tanks are no kind of insurance against it.
> Try
>> it sometime. Drain some fuel, if there's some water, drain it all out
>> and then shake the airplane. Pretty sure you;ll get some more.
>>
>> BTW, you're tanks are more than likely aluminum. I could be wrong,
>> but I'
> ve
>> never seen stainless tanks in any airplane.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Surprisingly, I can count on one hand getting water in the fuel and my
> bet how it got in there is my carelessness on taking the caps off
> after a rain and the residual rain underneath the lever sneaks into
> the tank. But I will give what you say above a try, nothing gain,
> nothing loss but the adventure.

Yeah, it's rare enough. depends on the airplane and where you live.
We had an accident near where I live with an engine failure on takeoff
after some very heavy rain. The guys were OK, but the airplane was
destroyed ( Cherokee). There was no problem found with the engine. I think
thye might have had this problem.

Bertie

Gezellig

September 20th 08, 07:11 AM

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:43:00 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

> On Sep 19, 3:28*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>> One, as you walk around, stand back every so often and look at the
>> airframe. You're looking for wrinkles in the skin or anything else that
>> might look strange.
>
> Definately good one for the checklist. Never thought of this and
> while I always step back after doing the entire check list for a last
> once over (long video - part 2, you will see me do this at the very
> end) I never thought about skin wrinkles.

I look and feel for these. What about places you can't either touch or
see?

Gezellig

September 20th 08, 07:12 AM

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:43:00 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

>> mounting holes and such, and perhaps more importantly, it will get any fuel
>> that might be hiding in the fuel tank away from the sump out of it's
>> depression and into the sump.
>
> Not quite sure I understand the above??
>
> Obviously has something to do with the sump jiggies, and mine are
> "spring loaded" and pressed in using the outer edge of the fuel sump
> diddy rather then a center piece like a Cessna.
>
> Does the style of sump make any difference?

Yes, some sumps drop water to the bottom, don't know about your AC.

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 03:00 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| " > wrote in news:baaaeed8-05e4-498d-
| :
|
| > Today's flight, figured to video how I preflight my plane. Comments
| > here or on the video most welcomed. Always nice to hear input to make
| > me a safer pilot!
|
|
| Very Good. i didn;t watch all of it, but it's thorough and you use the
| checklist.
|
| Two thins I'd add to it if they're not already in there.
|
| One, as you walk around, stand back every so often and look at the
| airframe. You're looking for wrinkles in the skin or anything else that
| might look strange.
| Second, you should grab the wingtip and give the airplane a good shaking (
| after the tiedowns are removed)
| this does two things. Reveals some kinds of damage, like elongated wing
| mounting holes and such, and perhaps more importantly, it will get any
fuel
| that might be hiding in the fuel tank away from the sump out of it's
| depression and into the sump.
|
|
|
|
| Bertie

You better start sucking up and acting like a contributor, you dumb ass.

Should have watched more of the movie though, it would have been more
convincing. Pretty clear you didn't see much it.

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 03:11 PM

> wrote in message
...

Not quite sure I understand the above??

Obviously has something to do with the sump jiggies, and mine are
"spring loaded" and pressed in using the outer edge of the fuel sump
diddy rather then a center piece like a Cessna.

Does the style of sump make any difference?

-------------------------------------------------------

It's hard to imagine were every divot, rib, baffle, fitting or fastener
might be in a tank. Although the drain is in the designed low point,
droplets of water can cling to imperfections elsewhere. Condensation also
collects in the tanks unwetted areas, and doesn't join the mix until
splashed.

Carefully rocking the wings, from the wing tip, sloshes the fuel around and
helps rinse trapped droplets to the drain area.

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 03:24 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| " > wrote in news:7b0f558c-1f70-462f-
| :
|
| > On Sep 19, 3:47 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >
| >> No, nothing to do with the sump drains themselves. The sump area is a
| >> small depession at the bottom of the tank. All water in the tank should
| >> go there by design. However most tanks have small imperfections in them
| >> where water can get into and stick there. You do a nice calm walkaround
| >> and drain your fuel and then when you start taxying, the water becomes
| >> dislodged and gets into a feed port. With some designs, this can add up
| >> to a lot of water...
| >
| > Gotchya, gotchya and gotchya, never thought of what you say, and makes
| > perfect sense.
| >
| > Tanks I have are "stainless steel" and not bladders, so I **think**I
| > have a lesser risk of water settling where it shouldn't be but like
| > you say, a good shake would be prudent to better assure the water
| > indeed does settle down to the sumps so it gets sumped out.
|
| Depends on the type, but tin tanks are no kind of insurance against it.
Try
| it sometime. Drain some fuel, if there's some water, drain it all out and
| then shake the airplane. Pretty sure you;ll get some more.
|
| BTW, you're tanks are more than likely aluminum. I could be wrong, but
I've
| never seen stainless tanks in any airplane.
|
|
|
| Bertie
| >
|

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 03:24 PM

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 03:24 PM

[email protected]

September 20th 08, 03:45 PM

On Sep 20, 1:11*am, Gezellig > wrote:

> I look and feel for these. What about places you can't either touch or
> see?

Heh heh, you do more then I did regarding looking for the wrinkling of
the skin as I never thought about it until Bertie brought it up,
soooo, you probably will have to "trust" what you don't see, don't
hurt.

Getting some good stuff out of this latest video to add to my "tool
kit" of being a safer pilot from here and a couple other forums I
shared the video with.

Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]

September 20th 08, 06:38 PM

Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]

September 20th 08, 06:39 PM

Gezellig > wrote in news:6jjih3F3lpbtU1
@mid.individual.net:

> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:43:00 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>
>> On Sep 19, 3:28*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>>> One, as you walk around, stand back every so often and look at the
>>> airframe. You're looking for wrinkles in the skin or anything else that
>>> might look strange.
>>
>> Definately good one for the checklist. Never thought of this and
>> while I always step back after doing the entire check list for a last
>> once over (long video - part 2, you will see me do this at the very
>> end) I never thought about skin wrinkles.
>
> I look and feel for these. What about places you can't either touch or
> see?
>

Well, you can only do so much, but damage from a hard landing will usually
give some sort of sign on the outside.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]

September 20th 08, 06:41 PM

"Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| " > wrote in
>| news:baaaeed8-05e4-498d-
>| :
>|
>| > Today's flight, figured to video how I preflight my plane.
>| > Comments here or on the video most welcomed. Always nice to hear
>| > input to make me a safer pilot!
>|
>|
>| Very Good. i didn;t watch all of it, but it's thorough and you use
>| the checklist.
>|
>| Two thins I'd add to it if they're not already in there.
>|
>| One, as you walk around, stand back every so often and look at the
>| airframe. You're looking for wrinkles in the skin or anything else
>| that might look strange.
>| Second, you should grab the wingtip and give the airplane a good
>| shaking ( after the tiedowns are removed)
>| this does two things. Reveals some kinds of damage, like elongated
>| wing mounting holes and such, and perhaps more importantly, it will
>| get any
> fuel
>| that might be hiding in the fuel tank away from the sump out of it's
>| depression and into the sump.
>|
>|
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>
> You better start sucking up and acting like a contributor, you dumb
> ass.

Oh yes sir. mr fjukkktard.
>
> Should have watched more of the movie though, it would have been more
> convincing. Pretty clear you didn't see much it.

Pretty clear you have your head so firmly up your own butt you're
licking your tonsils from the back.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]

September 20th 08, 06:43 PM

"Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :

>
> > wrote in message
> news:f40edb8b-1cb7-43b6-9017-4d35ac42dea1
@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com.
> ..
>
>
> Not quite sure I understand the above??
>
> Obviously has something to do with the sump jiggies, and mine are
> "spring loaded" and pressed in using the outer edge of the fuel sump
> diddy rather then a center piece like a Cessna.
>
> Does the style of sump make any difference?
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> It's hard to imagine were every divot, rib, baffle, fitting or
> fastener might be in a tank. Although the drain is in the designed low
> point, droplets of water can cling to imperfections elsewhere.
> Condensation also collects in the tanks unwetted areas, and doesn't
> join the mix until splashed.
>
> Carefully rocking the wings, from the wing tip, sloshes the fuel
> around and helps rinse trapped droplets to the drain area.

Awww, you read my poast!

Good k00k!

Goog boi!

Here's a treat, fjukkktard!

Smakkkk!

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]

September 20th 08, 06:44 PM

Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]

September 20th 08, 06:44 PM

Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]

September 20th 08, 07:21 PM

jeremy > wrote in
:

> Mick wrote:
>
>> Carefully rocking the wings, from the wing tip, sloshes the fuel
>> around and helps rinse trapped droplets to the drain area.
>
> Best done with plenty of air underneath you.
>

Most of Maxie's air is betwixt his ears.

Bertie

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 07:53 PM

"jeremy" > wrote in message
...
| Mick wrote:
|
| > Carefully rocking the wings, from the wing tip, sloshes the fuel around
and
| > helps rinse trapped droplets to the drain area.
|
| Best done with plenty of air underneath you.
|
| JJ

Best done during preflight as well.

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 08:13 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| " > wrote in
| >| news:62dfd245-3863-4a15-90c1-a645f988c237
| @y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com
| >| :
| >|
| >| > On Sep 19, 5:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >| >> " > wrote in news:7b0f558c-
| >| >
| >| > epends on the type, but tin tanks are no kind of insurance against
| >| > it. Try
| >| >> it sometime. Drain some fuel, if there's some water, drain it all
| >| >> out and then shake the airplane. Pretty sure you;ll get some more.
| >| >>
| >| >> BTW, you're tanks are more than likely aluminum. I could be wrong,
| >| >> but I'
| >| > ve
| >| >> never seen stainless tanks in any airplane.
| >| >>
| >| >> Bertie
| >| >
| >| > Surprisingly, I can count on one hand getting water in the fuel and
| >| > my bet how it got in there is my carelessness on taking the caps
| >| > off after a rain and the residual rain underneath the lever sneaks
| >| > into the tank. But I will give what you say above a try, nothing
| >| > gain, nothing loss but the adventure.
| >|
| >|
| >| Yeah, it's rare enough. depends on the airplane and where you live.
| >| We had an accident near where I live with an engine failure on
| >| takeoff after some very heavy rain. The guys were OK, but the
| >| airplane was destroyed ( Cherokee). There was no problem found with
| >| the engine. I think thye might have had this problem.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| Thanks, Wasn't sure if this propogated fully.
|
|
|
| You're performing a public service afer all by ensuring my wisdom
| reaches around the globe.
|
|
| Bertie

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 08:13 PM

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 08:13 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| " > wrote in
| >| news:baaaeed8-05e4-498d-
| >| :
| >|
| >| > Today's flight, figured to video how I preflight my plane.
| >| > Comments here or on the video most welcomed. Always nice to hear
| >| > input to make me a safer pilot!
| >|
| >|
| >| Very Good. i didn;t watch all of it, but it's thorough and you use
| >| the checklist.
| >|
| >| Two thins I'd add to it if they're not already in there.
| >|
| >| One, as you walk around, stand back every so often and look at the
| >| airframe. You're looking for wrinkles in the skin or anything else
| >| that might look strange.
| >| Second, you should grab the wingtip and give the airplane a good
| >| shaking ( after the tiedowns are removed)
| >| this does two things. Reveals some kinds of damage, like elongated
| >| wing mounting holes and such, and perhaps more importantly, it will
| >| get any
| > fuel
| >| that might be hiding in the fuel tank away from the sump out of it's
| >| depression and into the sump.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| > You better start sucking up and acting like a contributor, you dumb
| > ass.
|
|
|
| Oh yes sir. mr fjukkktard.
| >
| > Should have watched more of the movie though, it would have been more
| > convincing. Pretty clear you didn't see much it.
|
|
| Pretty clear you have your head so firmly up your own butt you're
| licking your tonsils from the back.
|
| Bertie
|
|

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 08:14 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| " > wrote in
| >| news:baaaeed8-05e4-498d-
| >| :
| >|
| >| > Today's flight, figured to video how I preflight my plane.
| >| > Comments here or on the video most welcomed. Always nice to hear
| >| > input to make me a safer pilot!
| >|
| >|
| >| Very Good. i didn;t watch all of it, but it's thorough and you use
| >| the checklist.
| >|
| >| Two thins I'd add to it if they're not already in there.
| >|
| >| One, as you walk around, stand back every so often and look at the
| >| airframe. You're looking for wrinkles in the skin or anything else
| >| that might look strange.
| >| Second, you should grab the wingtip and give the airplane a good
| >| shaking ( after the tiedowns are removed)
| >| this does two things. Reveals some kinds of damage, like elongated
| >| wing mounting holes and such, and perhaps more importantly, it will
| >| get any
| > fuel
| >| that might be hiding in the fuel tank away from the sump out of it's
| >| depression and into the sump.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| > You better start sucking up and acting like a contributor, you dumb
| > ass.
|
|
|
| Oh yes sir. mr fjukkktard.
| >
| > Should have watched more of the movie though, it would have been more
| > convincing. Pretty clear you didn't see much it.
|
|
| Pretty clear you have your head so firmly up your own butt you're
| licking your tonsils from the back.
|
| Bertie
|
|

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 08:17 PM

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 08:17 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| " > wrote in
| >| news:7b0f558c-1f70-462f-
| >| :
| >|
| >| > On Sep 19, 3:47 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >| >
| >| >> No, nothing to do with the sump drains themselves. The sump area
| >| >> is a small depession at the bottom of the tank. All water in the
| >| >> tank should go there by design. However most tanks have small
| >| >> imperfections in them where water can get into and stick there.
| >| >> You do a nice calm walkaround and drain your fuel and then when
| >| >> you start taxying, the water becomes dislodged and gets into a
| >| >> feed port. With some designs, this can add up to a lot of water...
| >| >
| >| > Gotchya, gotchya and gotchya, never thought of what you say, and
| >| > makes perfect sense.
| >| >
| >| > Tanks I have are "stainless steel" and not bladders, so I
| >| > **think**I have a lesser risk of water settling where it shouldn't
| >| > be but like you say, a good shake would be prudent to better assure
| >| > the water indeed does settle down to the sumps so it gets sumped
| >| > out.
| >|
| >| Depends on the type, but tin tanks are no kind of insurance against
| >| it.
| > Try
| >| it sometime. Drain some fuel, if there's some water, drain it all out
| >| and then shake the airplane. Pretty sure you;ll get some more.
| >|
| >| BTW, you're tanks are more than likely aluminum. I could be wrong,
| >| but
| > I've
| >| never seen stainless tanks in any airplane.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
| Thanks again for repropogating my poast.
|
|
| you'e a hell of a k00k.
|
|
| Bertie

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 08:17 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >|a > wrote in
| >| news:2f153a45-9c80-4001-a2de-
| :
| >|
| >| > On Sep 19, 6:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >| >> " > wrote in
| >| >> news:7b0f558c-1f70-462f-
| >| >> :
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >> > On Sep 19, 3:47 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >| >>
| >| >> >> No, nothing to do with the sump drains themselves. The sump
| area
| >| >> >> is a small depession at the bottom of the tank. All water in
| the
| >| >> >> tank shoul
| >| > d
| >| >> >> go there by design. However most tanks have small imperfections
| in
| >| >> >> the
| >| > m
| >| >> >> where water can get into and stick there. You do a nice calm
| >| >> >> walkaroun
| >| > d
| >| >> >> and drain your fuel and then when you start taxying, the water
| >| >> >> becomes dislodged and gets into a feed port. With some designs,
| >| >> >> this can add u
| >| > p
| >| >> >> to a lot of water...
| >| >>
| >| >> > Gotchya, gotchya and gotchya, never thought of what you say, and
| >| >> > makes perfect sense.
| >| >>
| >| >> > Tanks I have are "stainless steel" and not bladders, so I
| >| >> > **think**I have a lesser risk of water settling where it
| shouldn't
| >| >> > be but like you say, a good shake would be prudent to better
| assure
| >| >> > the water indeed does settle down to the sumps so it gets sumped
| >| >> > out.
| >| >>
| >| >> Depends on the type, but tin tanks are no kind of insurance
| against
| >| >> it. T
| >| > ry
| >| >> it sometime. Drain some fuel, if there's some water, drain it all
| out
| >| >> and then shake the airplane. Pretty sure you;ll get some more.
| >| >>
| >| >> BTW, you're tanks are more than likely aluminum. I could be wrong,
| >| >> but I'
| >| > ve
| >| >> never seen stainless tanks in any airplane.
| >| >>
| >| >> Bertie
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >
| >| > Big design flaw on the early M20J (Mooney 201) was the fuel tanks
| were
| >| > wet wing, and the seam sealant failed. If one smells gas in flight
| it
| >| > is NOT good, and we did. Huge pain in the ass to reseal. The other
| >| > thing about those tanks is the fuel caps were a little tricky to
| put
| >| > back right (this was back in the old days when the fuel truck would
| >| > come to the airplane) and if they were not put on right rain got in
| >| > big time. Nothing like draining a tank in a rain storm while
| wearing a
| >| > suit!
| >|
| >|
| >| Yeah, I know the caps you're talking about. They were a bitch to get
| on.
| >| I sem to remember a lot of Mooneys having bladders, though. Earlier
| ones
| >| maybe? Maybe wood wing airplanes?
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
| Good fanboi!
|
|
|
| Bertie

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 08:31 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| " > wrote in
| >| >| news:baaaeed8-05e4-498d-
| >| >| :
| >| >|
| >| >| > Today's flight, figured to video how I preflight my plane.
| >| >| > Comments here or on the video most welcomed. Always nice to
| hear
| >| >| > input to make me a safer pilot!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Very Good. i didn;t watch all of it, but it's thorough and you use
| >| >| the checklist.
| >| >|
| >| >| Two thins I'd add to it if they're not already in there.
| >| >|
| >| >| One, as you walk around, stand back every so often and look at the
| >| >| airframe. You're looking for wrinkles in the skin or anything else
| >| >| that might look strange.
| >| >| Second, you should grab the wingtip and give the airplane a good
| >| >| shaking ( after the tiedowns are removed)
| >| >| this does two things. Reveals some kinds of damage, like elongated
| >| >| wing mounting holes and such, and perhaps more importantly, it
| will
| >| >| get any
| >| > fuel
| >| >| that might be hiding in the fuel tank away from the sump out of
| it's
| >| >| depression and into the sump.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| > You better start sucking up and acting like a contributor, you dumb
| >| > ass.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Oh yes sir. mr fjukkktard.
| >| >
| >| > Should have watched more of the movie though, it would have been
| more
| >| > convincing. Pretty clear you didn't see much it.
| >|
| >|
| >| Pretty clear you have your head so firmly up your own butt you're
| >| licking your tonsils from the back.
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|
|

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 08:32 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| " > wrote in
| >| >| news:baaaeed8-05e4-498d-
| >| >| :
| >| >|
| >| >| > Today's flight, figured to video how I preflight my plane.
| >| >| > Comments here or on the video most welcomed. Always nice to
| hear
| >| >| > input to make me a safer pilot!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Very Good. i didn;t watch all of it, but it's thorough and you use
| >| >| the checklist.
| >| >|
| >| >| Two thins I'd add to it if they're not already in there.
| >| >|
| >| >| One, as you walk around, stand back every so often and look at the
| >| >| airframe. You're looking for wrinkles in the skin or anything else
| >| >| that might look strange.
| >| >| Second, you should grab the wingtip and give the airplane a good
| >| >| shaking ( after the tiedowns are removed)
| >| >| this does two things. Reveals some kinds of damage, like elongated
| >| >| wing mounting holes and such, and perhaps more importantly, it
| will
| >| >| get any
| >| > fuel
| >| >| that might be hiding in the fuel tank away from the sump out of
| it's
| >| >| depression and into the sump.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| > You better start sucking up and acting like a contributor, you dumb
| >| > ass.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Oh yes sir. mr fjukkktard.
| >| >
| >| > Should have watched more of the movie though, it would have been
| more
| >| > convincing. Pretty clear you didn't see much it.
| >|
| >|
| >| Pretty clear you have your head so firmly up your own butt you're
| >| licking your tonsils from the back.
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|
|

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 08:32 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| Gezellig > wrote in news:6jjih3F3lpbtU1
| >| @mid.individual.net:
| >|
| >| > On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:43:00 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
| >| >
| >| >> On Sep 19, 3:28 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >| >>
| >| >>> One, as you walk around, stand back every so often and look at
| >| >>> the airframe. You're looking for wrinkles in the skin or anything
| >| >>> else
| > that
| >| >>> might look strange.
| >| >>
| >| >> Definately good one for the checklist. Never thought of this and
| >| >> while I always step back after doing the entire check list for a
| >| >> last once over (long video - part 2, you will see me do this at
| >| >> the very end) I never thought about skin wrinkles.
| >| >
| >| > I look and feel for these. What about places you can't either touch
| >| > or see?
| >| >
| >|
| >| Well, you can only do so much, but damage from a hard landing will
| >| usually give some sort of sign on the outside.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|
|

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 08:32 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| " > wrote in
| >| >| news:62dfd245-3863-4a15-90c1-a645f988c237
| >| @y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com
| >| >| :
| >| >|
| >| >| > On Sep 19, 5:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >| >| >> " > wrote in news:7b0f558c-
| >| >| >
| >| >| > epends on the type, but tin tanks are no kind of insurance
| against
| >| >| > it. Try
| >| >| >> it sometime. Drain some fuel, if there's some water, drain it
| all
| >| >| >> out and then shake the airplane. Pretty sure you;ll get some
| more.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> BTW, you're tanks are more than likely aluminum. I could be
| wrong,
| >| >| >> but I'
| >| >| > ve
| >| >| >> never seen stainless tanks in any airplane.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Surprisingly, I can count on one hand getting water in the fuel
| and
| >| >| > my bet how it got in there is my carelessness on taking the caps
| >| >| > off after a rain and the residual rain underneath the lever
| sneaks
| >| >| > into the tank. But I will give what you say above a try,
| nothing
| >| >| > gain, nothing loss but the adventure.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Yeah, it's rare enough. depends on the airplane and where you
| live.
| >| >| We had an accident near where I live with an engine failure on
| >| >| takeoff after some very heavy rain. The guys were OK, but the
| >| >| airplane was destroyed ( Cherokee). There was no problem found
| with
| >| >| the engine. I think thye might have had this problem.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Thanks, Wasn't sure if this propogated fully.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| You're performing a public service afer all by ensuring my wisdom
| >| reaches around the globe.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|
|

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 08:32 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > > wrote in message
| >| > news:f40edb8b-1cb7-43b6-9017-4d35ac42dea1
| >| @e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com.
| >| > ..
| >| >
| >| >
| >| > Not quite sure I understand the above??
| >| >
| >| > Obviously has something to do with the sump jiggies, and mine are
| >| > "spring loaded" and pressed in using the outer edge of the fuel sump
| >| > diddy rather then a center piece like a Cessna.
| >| >
| >| > Does the style of sump make any difference?
| >| >
| >| > -------------------------------------------------------
| >| >
| >| > It's hard to imagine were every divot, rib, baffle, fitting or
| >| > fastener might be in a tank. Although the drain is in the designed
low
| >| > point, droplets of water can cling to imperfections elsewhere.
| >| > Condensation also collects in the tanks unwetted areas, and doesn't
| >| > join the mix until splashed.
| >| >
| >| > Carefully rocking the wings, from the wing tip, sloshes the fuel
| >| > around and helps rinse trapped droplets to the drain area.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Awww, you read my poast!
| >|
| >| Good k00k!
| >|
| >| Goog boi!
| >|
| >|
| >| Here's a treat, fjukkktard!
| >|
| >| Smakkkk!
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| Good Kookieboi!
|
|
|
| Bertie

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 08:33 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| " > wrote in
| >| >| news:7b0f558c-1f70-462f-
| >| >| :
| >| >|
| >| >| > On Sep 19, 3:47 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >| >| >
| >| >| >> No, nothing to do with the sump drains themselves. The sump
| area
| >| >| >> is a small depession at the bottom of the tank. All water in
| the
| >| >| >> tank should go there by design. However most tanks have small
| >| >| >> imperfections in them where water can get into and stick there.
| >| >| >> You do a nice calm walkaround and drain your fuel and then when
| >| >| >> you start taxying, the water becomes dislodged and gets into a
| >| >| >> feed port. With some designs, this can add up to a lot of
| water...
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Gotchya, gotchya and gotchya, never thought of what you say, and
| >| >| > makes perfect sense.
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Tanks I have are "stainless steel" and not bladders, so I
| >| >| > **think**I have a lesser risk of water settling where it
| shouldn't
| >| >| > be but like you say, a good shake would be prudent to better
| assure
| >| >| > the water indeed does settle down to the sumps so it gets sumped
| >| >| > out.
| >| >|
| >| >| Depends on the type, but tin tanks are no kind of insurance
| against
| >| >| it.
| >| > Try
| >| >| it sometime. Drain some fuel, if there's some water, drain it all
| out
| >| >| and then shake the airplane. Pretty sure you;ll get some more.
| >| >|
| >| >| BTW, you're tanks are more than likely aluminum. I could be wrong,
| >| >| but
| >| > I've
| >| >| never seen stainless tanks in any airplane.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Thanks again for repropogating my poast.
| >|
| >|
| >| you'e a hell of a k00k.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| A HELL of a k00k!
|
|
| Bertie

Mick[_2_]

September 20th 08, 08:34 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >|a > wrote in
| >| >| news:2f153a45-9c80-4001-a2de-
| >| :
| >| >|
| >| >| > On Sep 19, 6:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >| >| >> " > wrote in
| >| >| >> news:7b0f558c-1f70-462f-
| >| >| >> :
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> > On Sep 19, 3:47 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> >> No, nothing to do with the sump drains themselves. The sump
| >| area
| >| >| >> >> is a small depession at the bottom of the tank. All water in
| >| the
| >| >| >> >> tank shoul
| >| >| > d
| >| >| >> >> go there by design. However most tanks have small
| imperfections
| >| in
| >| >| >> >> the
| >| >| > m
| >| >| >> >> where water can get into and stick there. You do a nice calm
| >| >| >> >> walkaroun
| >| >| > d
| >| >| >> >> and drain your fuel and then when you start taxying, the
| water
| >| >| >> >> becomes dislodged and gets into a feed port. With some
| designs,
| >| >| >> >> this can add u
| >| >| > p
| >| >| >> >> to a lot of water...
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> > Gotchya, gotchya and gotchya, never thought of what you say,
| and
| >| >| >> > makes perfect sense.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> > Tanks I have are "stainless steel" and not bladders, so I
| >| >| >> > **think**I have a lesser risk of water settling where it
| >| shouldn't
| >| >| >> > be but like you say, a good shake would be prudent to better
| >| assure
| >| >| >> > the water indeed does settle down to the sumps so it gets
| sumped
| >| >| >> > out.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> Depends on the type, but tin tanks are no kind of insurance
| >| against
| >| >| >> it. T
| >| >| > ry
| >| >| >> it sometime. Drain some fuel, if there's some water, drain it
| all
| >| out
| >| >| >> and then shake the airplane. Pretty sure you;ll get some more.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> BTW, you're tanks are more than likely aluminum. I could be
| wrong,
| >| >| >> but I'
| >| >| > ve
| >| >| >> never seen stainless tanks in any airplane.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> Bertie
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Big design flaw on the early M20J (Mooney 201) was the fuel
| tanks
| >| were
| >| >| > wet wing, and the seam sealant failed. If one smells gas in
| flight
| >| it
| >| >| > is NOT good, and we did. Huge pain in the ass to reseal. The
| other
| >| >| > thing about those tanks is the fuel caps were a little tricky to
| >| put
| >| >| > back right (this was back in the old days when the fuel truck
| would
| >| >| > come to the airplane) and if they were not put on right rain got
| in
| >| >| > big time. Nothing like draining a tank in a rain storm while
| >| wearing a
| >| >| > suit!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Yeah, I know the caps you're talking about. They were a bitch to
| get
| >| on.
| >| >| I sem to remember a lot of Mooneys having bladders, though.
| Earlier
| >| ones
| >| >| maybe? Maybe wood wing airplanes?
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Good fanboi!
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| Here's another treat!
|
|
| Thukk.
|
|
| Bertie

Mick[_2_]

September 22nd 08, 05:27 AM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:RI7Bk.10938$Il.7867
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >|a > wrote in
| >| >| >| news:2f153a45-9c80-4001-a2de-
| >| >| :
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| > On Sep 19, 6:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >| >| >| >> " > wrote in
| >| >| >| >> news:7b0f558c-1f70-462f-
| >| >| >| >> :
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> > On Sep 19, 3:47 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> >> No, nothing to do with the sump drains themselves. The
| sump
| >| >| area
| >| >| >| >> >> is a small depession at the bottom of the tank. All water
| in
| >| >| the
| >| >| >| >> >> tank shoul
| >| >| >| > d
| >| >| >| >> >> go there by design. However most tanks have small
| >| imperfections
| >| >| in
| >| >| >| >> >> the
| >| >| >| > m
| >| >| >| >> >> where water can get into and stick there. You do a nice
| calm
| >| >| >| >> >> walkaroun
| >| >| >| > d
| >| >| >| >> >> and drain your fuel and then when you start taxying, the
| >| water
| >| >| >| >> >> becomes dislodged and gets into a feed port. With some
| >| designs,
| >| >| >| >> >> this can add u
| >| >| >| > p
| >| >| >| >> >> to a lot of water...
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> > Gotchya, gotchya and gotchya, never thought of what you
| say,
| >| and
| >| >| >| >> > makes perfect sense.
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> > Tanks I have are "stainless steel" and not bladders, so I
| >| >| >| >> > **think**I have a lesser risk of water settling where it
| >| >| shouldn't
| >| >| >| >> > be but like you say, a good shake would be prudent to
| better
| >| >| assure
| >| >| >| >> > the water indeed does settle down to the sumps so it gets
| >| sumped
| >| >| >| >> > out.
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> Depends on the type, but tin tanks are no kind of insurance
| >| >| against
| >| >| >| >> it. T
| >| >| >| > ry
| >| >| >| >> it sometime. Drain some fuel, if there's some water, drain
| it
| >| all
| >| >| out
| >| >| >| >> and then shake the airplane. Pretty sure you;ll get some
| more.
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> BTW, you're tanks are more than likely aluminum. I could be
| >| wrong,
| >| >| >| >> but I'
| >| >| >| > ve
| >| >| >| >> never seen stainless tanks in any airplane.
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> Bertie
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > Big design flaw on the early M20J (Mooney 201) was the fuel
| >| tanks
| >| >| were
| >| >| >| > wet wing, and the seam sealant failed. If one smells gas in
| >| flight
| >| >| it
| >| >| >| > is NOT good, and we did. Huge pain in the ass to reseal. The
| >| other
| >| >| >| > thing about those tanks is the fuel caps were a little tricky
| to
| >| >| put
| >| >| >| > back right (this was back in the old days when the fuel truck
| >| would
| >| >| >| > come to the airplane) and if they were not put on right rain
| got
| >| in
| >| >| >| > big time. Nothing like draining a tank in a rain storm while
| >| >| wearing a
| >| >| >| > suit!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Yeah, I know the caps you're talking about. They were a bitch
| to
| >| get
| >| >| on.
| >| >| >| I sem to remember a lot of Mooneys having bladders, though.
| >| Earlier
| >| >| ones
| >| >| >| maybe? Maybe wood wing airplanes?
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Good fanboi!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Here's another treat!
| >|
| >|
| >| Thukk.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|
|

Mick[_2_]

September 22nd 08, 05:49 AM

In your case it's a sickness

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:NI7Bk.10937$Il.5229
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| " > wrote in
| >| >| >| news:7b0f558c-1f70-462f-
| >| >| >| :
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| > On Sep 19, 3:47 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >> No, nothing to do with the sump drains themselves. The sump
| >| area
| >| >| >| >> is a small depession at the bottom of the tank. All water in
| >| the
| >| >| >| >> tank should go there by design. However most tanks have
| small
| >| >| >| >> imperfections in them where water can get into and stick
| there.
| >| >| >| >> You do a nice calm walkaround and drain your fuel and then
| when
| >| >| >| >> you start taxying, the water becomes dislodged and gets into
| a
| >| >| >| >> feed port. With some designs, this can add up to a lot of
| >| water...
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > Gotchya, gotchya and gotchya, never thought of what you say,
| and
| >| >| >| > makes perfect sense.
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > Tanks I have are "stainless steel" and not bladders, so I
| >| >| >| > **think**I have a lesser risk of water settling where it
| >| shouldn't
| >| >| >| > be but like you say, a good shake would be prudent to better
| >| assure
| >| >| >| > the water indeed does settle down to the sumps so it gets
| sumped
| >| >| >| > out.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Depends on the type, but tin tanks are no kind of insurance
| >| against
| >| >| >| it.
| >| >| > Try
| >| >| >| it sometime. Drain some fuel, if there's some water, drain it
| all
| >| out
| >| >| >| and then shake the airplane. Pretty sure you;ll get some more.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| BTW, you're tanks are more than likely aluminum. I could be
| wrong,
| >| >| >| but
| >| >| > I've
| >| >| >| never seen stainless tanks in any airplane.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Thanks again for repropogating my poast.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| you'e a hell of a k00k.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| A HELL of a k00k!
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| I'm soo proud!
|
|
|
| Bertie

Mick[_2_]

September 22nd 08, 05:50 AM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| Gezellig > wrote in news:6jjih3F3lpbtU1
| >| >| @mid.individual.net:
| >| >|
| >| >| > On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:43:00 -0700 (PDT),
| wrote:
| >| >| >
| >| >| >> On Sep 19, 3:28 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >>> One, as you walk around, stand back every so often and look at
| >| >| >>> the airframe. You're looking for wrinkles in the skin or
| anything
| >| >| >>> else
| >| > that
| >| >| >>> might look strange.
| >| >| >>
| >| >| >> Definately good one for the checklist. Never thought of this
| and
| >| >| >> while I always step back after doing the entire check list for
| a
| >| >| >> last once over (long video - part 2, you will see me do this at
| >| >| >> the very end) I never thought about skin wrinkles.
| >| >| >
| >| >| > I look and feel for these. What about places you can't either
| touch
| >| >| > or see?
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Well, you can only do so much, but damage from a hard landing will
| >| >| usually give some sort of sign on the outside.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|
|

Mick[_2_]

September 22nd 08, 05:51 AM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| :
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > > wrote in message
| >| >| > news:f40edb8b-1cb7-43b6-9017-4d35ac42dea1
| >| >| @e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com.
| >| >| > ..
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Not quite sure I understand the above??
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Obviously has something to do with the sump jiggies, and mine
| >| >| > are "spring loaded" and pressed in using the outer edge of the
| >| >| > fuel sump diddy rather then a center piece like a Cessna.
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Does the style of sump make any difference?
| >| >| >
| >| >| > -------------------------------------------------------
| >| >| >
| >| >| > It's hard to imagine were every divot, rib, baffle, fitting or
| >| >| > fastener might be in a tank. Although the drain is in the
| >| >| > designed
| > low
| >| >| > point, droplets of water can cling to imperfections elsewhere.
| >| >| > Condensation also collects in the tanks unwetted areas, and
| >| >| > doesn't join the mix until splashed.
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Carefully rocking the wings, from the wing tip, sloshes the fuel
| >| >| > around and helps rinse trapped droplets to the drain area.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Awww, you read my poast!
| >| >|
| >| >| Good k00k!
| >| >|
| >| >| Goog boi!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Here's a treat, fjukkktard!
| >| >|
| >| >| Smakkkk!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Good Kookieboi!
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| There there k00kieboi
|
|
| Bertie

Mick[_2_]

September 22nd 08, 05:51 AM

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| >
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| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
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| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:%l7Bk.10927$Il.3008
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| " > wrote in
| >| >| >| news:baaaeed8-05e4-498d-
| >| >| >| :
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| > Today's flight, figured to video how I preflight my plane.
| >| >| >| > Comments here or on the video most welcomed. Always nice to
| >| hear
| >| >| >| > input to make me a safer pilot!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Very Good. i didn;t watch all of it, but it's thorough and you
| use
| >| >| >| the checklist.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Two thins I'd add to it if they're not already in there.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| One, as you walk around, stand back every so often and look at
| the
| >| >| >| airframe. You're looking for wrinkles in the skin or anything
| else
| >| >| >| that might look strange.
| >| >| >| Second, you should grab the wingtip and give the airplane a
| good
| >| >| >| shaking ( after the tiedowns are removed)
| >| >| >| this does two things. Reveals some kinds of damage, like
| elongated
| >| >| >| wing mounting holes and such, and perhaps more importantly, it
| >| will
| >| >| >| get any
| >| >| > fuel
| >| >| >| that might be hiding in the fuel tank away from the sump out of
| >| it's
| >| >| >| depression and into the sump.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| > You better start sucking up and acting like a contributor, you
| dumb
| >| >| > ass.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Oh yes sir. mr fjukkktard.
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Should have watched more of the movie though, it would have been
| >| more
| >| >| > convincing. Pretty clear you didn't see much it.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Pretty clear you have your head so firmly up your own butt you're
| >| >| licking your tonsils from the back.
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|
|

Mick[_2_]

September 22nd 08, 05:52 AM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >
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| > ...
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| >|
| >| >
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| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:%l7Bk.10927$Il.3008
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| " > wrote in
| >| >| >| news:baaaeed8-05e4-498d-
| >| >| >| :
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| > Today's flight, figured to video how I preflight my plane.
| >| >| >| > Comments here or on the video most welcomed. Always nice to
| >| hear
| >| >| >| > input to make me a safer pilot!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Very Good. i didn;t watch all of it, but it's thorough and you
| use
| >| >| >| the checklist.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Two thins I'd add to it if they're not already in there.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| One, as you walk around, stand back every so often and look at
| the
| >| >| >| airframe. You're looking for wrinkles in the skin or anything
| else
| >| >| >| that might look strange.
| >| >| >| Second, you should grab the wingtip and give the airplane a
| good
| >| >| >| shaking ( after the tiedowns are removed)
| >| >| >| this does two things. Reveals some kinds of damage, like
| elongated
| >| >| >| wing mounting holes and such, and perhaps more importantly, it
| >| will
| >| >| >| get any
| >| >| > fuel
| >| >| >| that might be hiding in the fuel tank away from the sump out of
| >| it's
| >| >| >| depression and into the sump.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| > You better start sucking up and acting like a contributor, you
| dumb
| >| >| > ass.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Oh yes sir. mr fjukkktard.
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Should have watched more of the movie though, it would have been
| >| more
| >| >| > convincing. Pretty clear you didn't see much it.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Pretty clear you have your head so firmly up your own butt you're
| >| >| licking your tonsils from the back.
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|
|

Mick[_2_]

September 23rd 08, 12:15 PM

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| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:8%bBk.11295$Il.314
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in
| >| >| >| :
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > news:f40edb8b-1cb7-43b6-9017-4d35ac42dea1
| >| >| >| @e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com.
| >| >| >| > ..
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > Not quite sure I understand the above??
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > Obviously has something to do with the sump jiggies, and mine
| >| >| >| > are "spring loaded" and pressed in using the outer edge of
| the
| >| >| >| > fuel sump diddy rather then a center piece like a Cessna.
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > Does the style of sump make any difference?
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > -------------------------------------------------------
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > It's hard to imagine were every divot, rib, baffle, fitting
| or
| >| >| >| > fastener might be in a tank. Although the drain is in the
| >| >| >| > designed
| >| > low
| >| >| >| > point, droplets of water can cling to imperfections
| elsewhere.
| >| >| >| > Condensation also collects in the tanks unwetted areas, and
| >| >| >| > doesn't join the mix until splashed.
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > Carefully rocking the wings, from the wing tip, sloshes the
| fuel
| >| >| >| > around and helps rinse trapped droplets to the drain area.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Awww, you read my poast!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Good k00k!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Goog boi!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Here's a treat, fjukkktard!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Smakkkk!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Good Kookieboi!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| There there k00kieboi
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| S' OK k00kieboi.
|
|
|
| Bertie

Mick[_2_]

September 23rd 08, 12:15 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:_XbBk.11292$Il.6725
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:%l7Bk.10927$Il.3008
| >| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| " > wrote in
| >| >| >| >| news:baaaeed8-05e4-498d-
| >| >| >| >| :
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| > Today's flight, figured to video how I preflight my plane.
| >| >| >| >| > Comments here or on the video most welcomed. Always nice
| to
| >| >| hear
| >| >| >| >| > input to make me a safer pilot!
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Very Good. i didn;t watch all of it, but it's thorough and
| you
| >| use
| >| >| >| >| the checklist.
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Two thins I'd add to it if they're not already in there.
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| One, as you walk around, stand back every so often and look
| at
| >| the
| >| >| >| >| airframe. You're looking for wrinkles in the skin or
| anything
| >| else
| >| >| >| >| that might look strange.
| >| >| >| >| Second, you should grab the wingtip and give the airplane a
| >| good
| >| >| >| >| shaking ( after the tiedowns are removed)
| >| >| >| >| this does two things. Reveals some kinds of damage, like
| >| elongated
| >| >| >| >| wing mounting holes and such, and perhaps more importantly,
| it
| >| >| will
| >| >| >| >| get any
| >| >| >| > fuel
| >| >| >| >| that might be hiding in the fuel tank away from the sump out
| of
| >| >| it's
| >| >| >| >| depression and into the sump.
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > You better start sucking up and acting like a contributor,
| you
| >| dumb
| >| >| >| > ass.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Oh yes sir. mr fjukkktard.
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > Should have watched more of the movie though, it would have
| been
| >| >| more
| >| >| >| > convincing. Pretty clear you didn't see much it.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Pretty clear you have your head so firmly up your own butt
| you're
| >| >| >| licking your tonsils from the back.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|

Mick[_2_]

September 23rd 08, 12:15 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:pYbBk.11294$Il.1242
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:%l7Bk.10927$Il.3008
| >| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| " > wrote in
| >| >| >| >| news:baaaeed8-05e4-498d-
| >| >| >| >| :
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| > Today's flight, figured to video how I preflight my plane.
| >| >| >| >| > Comments here or on the video most welcomed. Always nice
| to
| >| >| hear
| >| >| >| >| > input to make me a safer pilot!
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Very Good. i didn;t watch all of it, but it's thorough and
| you
| >| use
| >| >| >| >| the checklist.
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Two thins I'd add to it if they're not already in there.
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| One, as you walk around, stand back every so often and look
| at
| >| the
| >| >| >| >| airframe. You're looking for wrinkles in the skin or
| anything
| >| else
| >| >| >| >| that might look strange.
| >| >| >| >| Second, you should grab the wingtip and give the airplane a
| >| good
| >| >| >| >| shaking ( after the tiedowns are removed)
| >| >| >| >| this does two things. Reveals some kinds of damage, like
| >| elongated
| >| >| >| >| wing mounting holes and such, and perhaps more importantly,
| it
| >| >| will
| >| >| >| >| get any
| >| >| >| > fuel
| >| >| >| >| that might be hiding in the fuel tank away from the sump out
| of
| >| >| it's
| >| >| >| >| depression and into the sump.
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > You better start sucking up and acting like a contributor,
| you
| >| dumb
| >| >| >| > ass.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Oh yes sir. mr fjukkktard.
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > Should have watched more of the movie though, it would have
| been
| >| >| more
| >| >| >| > convincing. Pretty clear you didn't see much it.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Pretty clear you have your head so firmly up your own butt
| you're
| >| >| >| licking your tonsils from the back.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|
|

Mick[_2_]

September 23rd 08, 07:10 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:p%bBk.11297$Il.8464
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:RI7Bk.10938$Il.7867
| >| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >|a > wrote in
| >| >| >| >| news:2f153a45-9c80-4001-a2de-
| >| >| >| :
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| > On Sep 19, 6:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >| >| >| >| >> " > wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >> news:7b0f558c-1f70-462f-
| >| >| >| >| >> :
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> > On Sep 19, 3:47 pm, Bertie the Bunyip >
| wrote:
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> >> No, nothing to do with the sump drains themselves. The
| >| sump
| >| >| >| area
| >| >| >| >| >> >> is a small depession at the bottom of the tank. All
| water
| >| in
| >| >| >| the
| >| >| >| >| >> >> tank shoul
| >| >| >| >| > d
| >| >| >| >| >> >> go there by design. However most tanks have small
| >| >| imperfections
| >| >| >| in
| >| >| >| >| >> >> the
| >| >| >| >| > m
| >| >| >| >| >> >> where water can get into and stick there. You do a
| nice
| >| calm
| >| >| >| >| >> >> walkaroun
| >| >| >| >| > d
| >| >| >| >| >> >> and drain your fuel and then when you start taxying,
| the
| >| >| water
| >| >| >| >| >> >> becomes dislodged and gets into a feed port. With some
| >| >| designs,
| >| >| >| >| >> >> this can add u
| >| >| >| >| > p
| >| >| >| >| >> >> to a lot of water...
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> > Gotchya, gotchya and gotchya, never thought of what you
| >| say,
| >| >| and
| >| >| >| >| >> > makes perfect sense.
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> > Tanks I have are "stainless steel" and not bladders, so
| I
| >| >| >| >| >> > **think**I have a lesser risk of water settling where
| it
| >| >| >| shouldn't
| >| >| >| >| >> > be but like you say, a good shake would be prudent to
| >| better
| >| >| >| assure
| >| >| >| >| >> > the water indeed does settle down to the sumps so it
| gets
| >| >| sumped
| >| >| >| >| >> > out.
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> Depends on the type, but tin tanks are no kind of
| insurance
| >| >| >| against
| >| >| >| >| >> it. T
| >| >| >| >| > ry
| >| >| >| >| >> it sometime. Drain some fuel, if there's some water,
| drain
| >| it
| >| >| all
| >| >| >| out
| >| >| >| >| >> and then shake the airplane. Pretty sure you;ll get some
| >| more.
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> BTW, you're tanks are more than likely aluminum. I could
| be
| >| >| wrong,
| >| >| >| >| >> but I'
| >| >| >| >| > ve
| >| >| >| >| >> never seen stainless tanks in any airplane.
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > Big design flaw on the early M20J (Mooney 201) was the
| fuel
| >| >| tanks
| >| >| >| were
| >| >| >| >| > wet wing, and the seam sealant failed. If one smells gas
| in
| >| >| flight
| >| >| >| it
| >| >| >| >| > is NOT good, and we did. Huge pain in the ass to reseal.
| The
| >| >| other
| >| >| >| >| > thing about those tanks is the fuel caps were a little
| tricky
| >| to
| >| >| >| put
| >| >| >| >| > back right (this was back in the old days when the fuel
| truck
| >| >| would
| >| >| >| >| > come to the airplane) and if they were not put on right
| rain
| >| got
| >| >| in
| >| >| >| >| > big time. Nothing like draining a tank in a rain storm
| while
| >| >| >| wearing a
| >| >| >| >| > suit!
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Yeah, I know the caps you're talking about. They were a
| bitch
| >| to
| >| >| get
| >| >| >| on.
| >| >| >| >| I sem to remember a lot of Mooneys having bladders, though.
| >| >| Earlier
| >| >| >| ones
| >| >| >| >| maybe? Maybe wood wing airplanes?
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Good fanboi!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Here's another treat!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Thukk.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
| Spnack!
|
|
|
| Bertie

Mick[_2_]

September 23rd 08, 11:34 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Watson" > wrote in message
| > m...
| >|
| >| "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| ...
| >|| "Watson" > wrote in
| >|| m:
| >||
| >|| >
| >|| > "Wim Jay" > wrote in message
| >|| > ...
| >|| >|
| >|| >| "Watson" > wrote in message
| >|| >| m...
| >|| >| >
| >|| >| > "Wim Jay" > wrote in message
| >|| >| > ...
| >|| >| > |
| >|| >| > | "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >|| >| > | .. .
| >|| >| > | > Something in the water?
| >|| >| > | >
| >|| >| > | >
| >|| >| > | >
| >|| >| > | > Bertie
| >|| >| > |
| >|| >| > | Well I once knew a Chief Engineer Okie called Ben and he
| >|| >| > | wasn't
| >|| > stupid.
| >|| >| > You
| >|| >| > | must have met the wrong Okie.
| >|| >| > |
| >|| >| > | --
| >|| >| > | Wim
| >|| >| > |
| >|| >| > |
| >|| >| >
| >|| >| > This guy is just a cross post crazy troll, that will do
| >|| >| > anything to
| >|| > destroy
| >|| >| > the piloting groups.
| >|| >|
| >|| >| Who are you talking about? Me or Bertie? And what are the
| >|| >| piloting groups?
| >|| > I
| >|| >| once knew a pilot who worked for Trinity House. Does that entitle
| >|| >| me to
| >|| > post?
| >|| >|
| >|| >| > He obviously wouldn't know and Okie, if one walked up and bit
| >|| >| > him in the ass.
| >|| >|
| >|| >| Well I never knew ant ass-biting Okies, that's for sure. Maybe
| >|| >| Bertie did
| >|| > and
| >|| >| that's why he has a low opinion of them in general?
| >|| >|
| >|| >| --
| >|| >| Wim
| >|| >|
| >|| >|
| >|| >
| >|| > No, Bertie is just a dumb ass.
| >|| >
| >||
| >||
| >|| Snort!
| >||
| >|| A dumb ass that has ayou k00king out all over usenet.
| >||
| >||
| >||
| >|| Bertie
| >|| >
| >|| >
| >||
| >|
| >| Certainly no more than you dick head.
| >|
| >
| > You can say that again.
| >
|
|
|
| Snort!
|
|
| Maxine has a sock puppet!
|
|
| sweeeeet irony.
|
|
|
|
| Bertie
| >
| >
|

Mick[_2_]

September 23rd 08, 11:34 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:NXbBk.11291$Il.4843
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| Gezellig > wrote in news:6jjih3F3lpbtU1
| >| >| >| @mid.individual.net:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| > On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:43:00 -0700 (PDT),
| >| wrote:
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >> On Sep 19, 3:28 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >>> One, as you walk around, stand back every so often and look
| at
| >| >| >| >>> the airframe. You're looking for wrinkles in the skin or
| >| anything
| >| >| >| >>> else
| >| >| > that
| >| >| >| >>> might look strange.
| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >> Definately good one for the checklist. Never thought of
| this
| >| and
| >| >| >| >> while I always step back after doing the entire check list
| for
| >| a
| >| >| >| >> last once over (long video - part 2, you will see me do this
| at
| >| >| >| >> the very end) I never thought about skin wrinkles.
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > I look and feel for these. What about places you can't either
| >| touch
| >| >| >| > or see?
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Well, you can only do so much, but damage from a hard landing
| will
| >| >| >| usually give some sort of sign on the outside.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|

Mick[_2_]

September 23rd 08, 11:34 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| > In your case it's a sickness
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:h%bBk.11296$Il.563
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:NI7Bk.10937$Il.5229
| >| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| " > wrote in
| >| >| >| >| news:7b0f558c-1f70-462f-
| >| >| >| >| :
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| > On Sep 19, 3:47 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >> No, nothing to do with the sump drains themselves. The
| sump
| >| >| area
| >| >| >| >| >> is a small depession at the bottom of the tank. All water
| in
| >| >| the
| >| >| >| >| >> tank should go there by design. However most tanks have
| >| small
| >| >| >| >| >> imperfections in them where water can get into and stick
| >| there.
| >| >| >| >| >> You do a nice calm walkaround and drain your fuel and
| then
| >| when
| >| >| >| >| >> you start taxying, the water becomes dislodged and gets
| into
| >| a
| >| >| >| >| >> feed port. With some designs, this can add up to a lot of
| >| >| water...
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > Gotchya, gotchya and gotchya, never thought of what you
| say,
| >| and
| >| >| >| >| > makes perfect sense.
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > Tanks I have are "stainless steel" and not bladders, so I
| >| >| >| >| > **think**I have a lesser risk of water settling where it
| >| >| shouldn't
| >| >| >| >| > be but like you say, a good shake would be prudent to
| better
| >| >| assure
| >| >| >| >| > the water indeed does settle down to the sumps so it gets
| >| sumped
| >| >| >| >| > out.
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Depends on the type, but tin tanks are no kind of insurance
| >| >| against
| >| >| >| >| it.
| >| >| >| > Try
| >| >| >| >| it sometime. Drain some fuel, if there's some water, drain
| it
| >| all
| >| >| out
| >| >| >| >| and then shake the airplane. Pretty sure you;ll get some
| more.
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| BTW, you're tanks are more than likely aluminum. I could be
| >| wrong,
| >| >| >| >| but
| >| >| >| > I've
| >| >| >| >| never seen stainless tanks in any airplane.
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Thanks again for repropogating my poast.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| you'e a hell of a k00k.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| A HELL of a k00k!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| I'm soo proud!
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
| Beam!
|
|
| Bertie

B A R R Y[_2_]

September 24th 08, 12:19 AM

Mick wrote:
>
>

Got Meds?

Mick[_2_]

September 25th 08, 10:30 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:T8FBk.28707$rV4.4091
| @newsfe03.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:hfcBk.11333$Il.6671
| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:p%bBk.11297$Il.8464
| >| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:RI7Bk.10938$Il.7867
| >| >| @newsfe09.iad:
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| >| >| > ...
| >| >| >| >| >|a > wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >| news:2f153a45-9c80-4001-a2de-
| >| >| >| >| :
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| > On Sep 19, 6:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip >
| wrote:
| >| >| >| >| >| >> " > wrote in
| >| >| >| >| >| >> news:7b0f558c-1f70-462f-
| >| >| >| >| >| >> :
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >> > On Sep 19, 3:47 pm, Bertie the Bunyip >
| >| wrote:
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> No, nothing to do with the sump drains themselves.
| The
| >| >| sump
| >| >| >| >| area
| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> is a small depession at the bottom of the tank. All
| >| water
| >| >| in
| >| >| >| >| the
| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> tank shoul
| >| >| >| >| >| > d
| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> go there by design. However most tanks have small
| >| >| >| imperfections
| >| >| >| >| in
| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> the
| >| >| >| >| >| > m
| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> where water can get into and stick there. You do a
| >| nice
| >| >| calm
| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> walkaroun
| >| >| >| >| >| > d
| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> and drain your fuel and then when you start
| taxying,
| >| the
| >| >| >| water
| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> becomes dislodged and gets into a feed port. With
| some
| >| >| >| designs,
| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> this can add u
| >| >| >| >| >| > p
| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> to a lot of water...
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >> > Gotchya, gotchya and gotchya, never thought of what
| you
| >| >| say,
| >| >| >| and
| >| >| >| >| >| >> > makes perfect sense.
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >> > Tanks I have are "stainless steel" and not bladders,
| so
| >| I
| >| >| >| >| >| >> > **think**I have a lesser risk of water settling
| where
| >| it
| >| >| >| >| shouldn't
| >| >| >| >| >| >> > be but like you say, a good shake would be prudent
| to
| >| >| better
| >| >| >| >| assure
| >| >| >| >| >| >> > the water indeed does settle down to the sumps so it
| >| gets
| >| >| >| sumped
| >| >| >| >| >| >> > out.
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >> Depends on the type, but tin tanks are no kind of
| >| insurance
| >| >| >| >| against
| >| >| >| >| >| >> it. T
| >| >| >| >| >| > ry
| >| >| >| >| >| >> it sometime. Drain some fuel, if there's some water,
| >| drain
| >| >| it
| >| >| >| all
| >| >| >| >| out
| >| >| >| >| >| >> and then shake the airplane. Pretty sure you;ll get
| some
| >| >| more.
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >> BTW, you're tanks are more than likely aluminum. I
| could
| >| be
| >| >| >| wrong,
| >| >| >| >| >| >> but I'
| >| >| >| >| >| > ve
| >| >| >| >| >| >> never seen stainless tanks in any airplane.
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >> Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >>
| >| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >| > Big design flaw on the early M20J (Mooney 201) was the
| >| fuel
| >| >| >| tanks
| >| >| >| >| were
| >| >| >| >| >| > wet wing, and the seam sealant failed. If one smells
| gas
| >| in
| >| >| >| flight
| >| >| >| >| it
| >| >| >| >| >| > is NOT good, and we did. Huge pain in the ass to
| reseal.
| >| The
| >| >| >| other
| >| >| >| >| >| > thing about those tanks is the fuel caps were a little
| >| tricky
| >| >| to
| >| >| >| >| put
| >| >| >| >| >| > back right (this was back in the old days when the fuel
| >| truck
| >| >| >| would
| >| >| >| >| >| > come to the airplane) and if they were not put on right
| >| rain
| >| >| got
| >| >| >| in
| >| >| >| >| >| > big time. Nothing like draining a tank in a rain storm
| >| while
| >| >| >| >| wearing a
| >| >| >| >| >| > suit!
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| Yeah, I know the caps you're talking about. They were a
| >| bitch
| >| >| to
| >| >| >| get
| >| >| >| >| on.
| >| >| >| >| >| I sem to remember a lot of Mooneys having bladders,
| though.
| >| >| >| Earlier
| >| >| >| >| ones
| >| >| >| >| >| maybe? Maybe wood wing airplanes?
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Good fanboi!
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Here's another treat!
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Thukk.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Spnack!
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
| >
|
|
| Spnulk.
|
|
| Bertie

Mick[_2_]

September 25th 08, 10:31 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >|
| >| Anyone else with eyes can see it and no matter how many times you are
| >| told and no matter how many people tell you, you will ocntinue to be my
| >| chew toy for as long as I choose you to be so.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| > Ok, prove it liar man. Choose it not to be so, for just two weeks.
| >
|
|
| Why would I want to do that?
|
| I have nothing to prove to anyone, least of all a redneck fjukkkwit like
| you, chewtoy
|
|
|
|
| Bertie

Mick[_2_]

September 25th 08, 10:38 PM

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Watson" > wrote in message
| >| > m...
| >| >|
| >| >| "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| ...
| >| >|| "Watson" > wrote in
| >| >|| m:
| >| >||
| >| >|| >
| >| >|| > "Wim Jay" > wrote in message
| >| >|| > ...
| >| >|| >|
| >| >|| >| "Watson" > wrote in message
| >| >|| >| m...
| >| >|| >| >
| >| >|| >| > "Wim Jay" > wrote in message
| >| >|| >| > ...
| >| >|| >| > |
| >| >|| >| > | "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >|| >| > | .. .
| >| >|| >| > | > Something in the water?
| >| >|| >| > | >
| >| >|| >| > | >
| >| >|| >| > | >
| >| >|| >| > | > Bertie
| >| >|| >| > |
| >| >|| >| > | Well I once knew a Chief Engineer Okie called Ben and he
| >| >|| >| > | wasn't
| >| >|| > stupid.
| >| >|| >| > You
| >| >|| >| > | must have met the wrong Okie.
| >| >|| >| > |
| >| >|| >| > | --
| >| >|| >| > | Wim
| >| >|| >| > |
| >| >|| >| > |
| >| >|| >| >
| >| >|| >| > This guy is just a cross post crazy troll, that will do
| >| >|| >| > anything to
| >| >|| > destroy
| >| >|| >| > the piloting groups.
| >| >|| >|
| >| >|| >| Who are you talking about? Me or Bertie? And what are the
| >| >|| >| piloting groups?
| >| >|| > I
| >| >|| >| once knew a pilot who worked for Trinity House. Does that
| entitle
| >| >|| >| me to
| >| >|| > post?
| >| >|| >|
| >| >|| >| > He obviously wouldn't know and Okie, if one walked up and
| bit
| >| >|| >| > him in the ass.
| >| >|| >|
| >| >|| >| Well I never knew ant ass-biting Okies, that's for sure. Maybe
| >| >|| >| Bertie did
| >| >|| > and
| >| >|| >| that's why he has a low opinion of them in general?
| >| >|| >|
| >| >|| >| --
| >| >|| >| Wim
| >| >|| >|
| >| >|| >|
| >| >|| >
| >| >|| > No, Bertie is just a dumb ass.
| >| >|| >
| >| >||
| >| >||
| >| >|| Snort!
| >| >||
| >| >|| A dumb ass that has ayou k00king out all over usenet.
| >| >||
| >| >||
| >| >||
| >| >|| Bertie
| >| >|| >
| >| >|| >
| >| >||
| >| >|
| >| >| Certainly no more than you dick head.
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| > You can say that again.
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Snort!
| >|
| >|
| >| Maxine has a sock puppet!
| >|
| >|
| >| sweeeeet irony.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >
| >
| >
| >
|
| wqwqwqwq
|
|

Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]

September 26th 08, 05:14 AM

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
>|
>| >
>| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| > .. .
>| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:T8FBk.28707$rV4.4091
>| @newsfe03.iad:
>| >|
>| >| >
>| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| >| > ...
>| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:hfcBk.11333$Il.6671
>| @newsfe09.iad:
>| >| >|
>| >| >| >
>| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| >| >| > .. .
>| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:p%bBk.11297$Il.8464
>| >| @newsfe09.iad:
>| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >| >
>| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| >| >| >| > ...
>| >| >| >| >| "Mick" <@_#`~#@.^net> wrote in news:RI7Bk.10938$Il.7867
>| >| >| @newsfe09.iad:
>| >| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >| >| >
>| >| >| >| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| >| >| >| >| > ...
>| >| >| >| >| >|a > wrote in
>| >| >| >| >| >| news:2f153a45-9c80-4001-a2de-
>| >| >| >| >| :
>| >| >| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >| >| >| > On Sep 19, 6:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip >
>| wrote:
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> " > wrote in
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> news:7b0f558c-1f70-462f-
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> :
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> > On Sep 19, 3:47 pm, Bertie the Bunyip <T...
@ld.you>
>| >| wrote:
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> No, nothing to do with the sump drains
themselves.
>| The
>| >| >| sump
>| >| >| >| >| area
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> is a small depession at the bottom of the tank.
All
>| >| water
>| >| >| in
>| >| >| >| >| the
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> tank shoul
>| >| >| >| >| >| > d
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> go there by design. However most tanks have
small
>| >| >| >| imperfections
>| >| >| >| >| in
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> the
>| >| >| >| >| >| > m
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> where water can get into and stick there. You do
a
>| >| nice
>| >| >| calm
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> walkaroun
>| >| >| >| >| >| > d
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> and drain your fuel and then when you start
>| taxying,
>| >| the
>| >| >| >| water
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> becomes dislodged and gets into a feed port.
With
>| some
>| >| >| >| designs,
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> this can add u
>| >| >| >| >| >| > p
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> >> to a lot of water...
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> > Gotchya, gotchya and gotchya, never thought of
what
>| you
>| >| >| say,
>| >| >| >| and
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> > makes perfect sense.
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> > Tanks I have are "stainless steel" and not
bladders,
>| so
>| >| I
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> > **think**I have a lesser risk of water settling
>| where
>| >| it
>| >| >| >| >| shouldn't
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> > be but like you say, a good shake would be
prudent
>| to
>| >| >| better
>| >| >| >| >| assure
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> > the water indeed does settle down to the sumps so
it
>| >| gets
>| >| >| >| sumped
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> > out.
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> Depends on the type, but tin tanks are no kind of
>| >| insurance
>| >| >| >| >| against
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> it. T
>| >| >| >| >| >| > ry
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> it sometime. Drain some fuel, if there's some
water,
>| >| drain
>| >| >| it
>| >| >| >| all
>| >| >| >| >| out
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> and then shake the airplane. Pretty sure you;ll get
>| some
>| >| >| more.
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> BTW, you're tanks are more than likely aluminum. I
>| could
>| >| be
>| >| >| >| wrong,
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> but I'
>| >| >| >| >| >| > ve
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> never seen stainless tanks in any airplane.
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >> Bertie
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >>
>| >| >| >| >| >| >
>| >| >| >| >| >| > Big design flaw on the early M20J (Mooney 201) was
the
>| >| fuel
>| >| >| >| tanks
>| >| >| >| >| were
>| >| >| >| >| >| > wet wing, and the seam sealant failed. If one smells
>| gas
>| >| in
>| >| >| >| flight
>| >| >| >| >| it
>| >| >| >| >| >| > is NOT good, and we did. Huge pain in the ass to
>| reseal.
>| >| The
>| >| >| >| other
>| >| >| >| >| >| > thing about those tanks is the fuel caps were a
little
>| >| tricky
>| >| >| to
>| >| >| >| >| put
>| >| >| >| >| >| > back right (this was back in the old days when the
fuel
>| >| truck
>| >| >| >| would
>| >| >| >| >| >| > come to the airplane) and if they were not put on
right
>| >| rain
>| >| >| got
>| >| >| >| in
>| >| >| >| >| >| > big time. Nothing like draining a tank in a rain
storm
>| >| while
>| >| >| >| >| wearing a
>| >| >| >| >| >| > suit!
>| >| >| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >| >| >| Yeah, I know the caps you're talking about. They were
a
>| >| bitch
>| >| >| to
>| >| >| >| get
>| >| >| >| >| on.
>| >| >| >| >| >| I sem to remember a lot of Mooneys having bladders,
>| though.
>| >| >| >| Earlier
>| >| >| >| >| ones
>| >| >| >| >| >| maybe? Maybe wood wing airplanes?
>| >| >| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >| >| >| Bertie
>| >| >| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >| >| >
>| >| >| >| >| >
>| >| >| >| >| >
>| >| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >| >| Good fanboi!
>| >| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >| >| Bertie
>| >| >| >| >
>| >| >| >| >
>| >| >| >| >
>| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >| Here's another treat!
>| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >| Thukk.
>| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >|
>| >| >| >| Bertie
>| >| >| >
>| >| >| >
>| >| >| >
>| >| >|
>| >| >|
>| >| >|
>| >| >|
>| >| >
>| >| >
>| >| >
>| >|
>| >| Spnack!
>| >|
>| >|
>| >|
>| >| Bertie
>| >
>| >
>| >
>| >
>|
>|
>| Spnulk.
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>
>
>

Srunplk

Bertie

Kloudy via AviationKB.com

September 26th 08, 07:48 PM

wrote:
>Today's flight, figured to video how I preflight my plane. Comments
>here or on the video most welcomed. Always nice to hear input to make
>me a safer pilot!

I Haven't flown an airplane for around 20+ years but I remember most of the
preflight procedure from memory. One thing we did was after taking the fuel
sample, we would chuck it out on the ground.
You make reference to EPA's take on that.
I'm certain there are recommendations against- if not outright prohibitions
on tossing fuel on the ground nowadays.
What are current approaches to fuel sample disposal and such.

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john smith

September 26th 08, 09:25 PM

In article <8ac82ae29a700@uwe>,
"Kloudy via AviationKB.com" <u33403@uwe> wrote:

> I Haven't flown an airplane for around 20+ years but I remember most of the
> preflight procedure from memory. One thing we did was after taking the fuel
> sample, we would chuck it out on the ground.
> You make reference to EPA's take on that.
> I'm certain there are recommendations against- if not outright prohibitions
> on tossing fuel on the ground nowadays.
> What are current approaches to fuel sample disposal and such.

Fuel at $8.00+ per gallon is too precious to "chuck on the ground".
There is a device known as a Gatt Jar that one holds up to the sump to
drain a fuel sample. The top of the Gatt Jar has a lid with a fine mesh
strainer, which is attached to a large (0.5 l) plastic bottle to hold
the fuel. The fuel is then poured back into the tank through the filler
cap.
Some states have environmental laws against "chucking it on the
ground"due to the lead content and potential contamination.

Kloudy via AviationKB.com

September 26th 08, 09:41 PM

John Smith wrote:

>Fuel at $8.00+ per gallon is too precious to "chuck on the ground".
>There is a device known as a Gatt Jar
I haven't found anything on the web about gatt jar and aviation fuel.
How does potential water contamination get separated?

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john smith

September 27th 08, 10:45 PM

In article <8ac9263a27232@uwe>,
"Kloudy via AviationKB.com" <u33403@uwe> wrote:

> John Smith wrote:
>
> >Fuel at $8.00+ per gallon is too precious to "chuck on the ground".
> >There is a device known as a Gatt Jar
> I haven't found anything on the web about gatt jar and aviation fuel.
> How does potential water contamination get separated?

http://www.sportys.com/acb/showdetl.cfm?&did=19&product_id=1821

This fuel tester allows you to put preflight fuel samples back into your
airplane (a great alternative to tossing sampled fuel onto the ground: a
practice now discouraged by the EPA). Sample and check your fuel as
always. Then, as sampled fuel is returned to the tank, a unique,
built-in screen separates solids and non-petroleum contaminants, so only
clean, pure fuel is returned to the tank. Reversible sump actuator fits
both pin and petcock actuators. Wide mouth collector helps protect hands
and clothing. Resilient plastic construction makes the GATS Jar
virtually indestructible with normal handling.