Any thoughts on today's N999LJ overrun at Columbia?

[Patty]

Just finished watching the press release. Any thoughts on the LR30's
accident?

[Robert M. Gary]

On Sep 20, 8:45*am, "Patty" > wrote:
> Just finished watching the press release. Any thoughts on the LR30's
> accident?

I haven't seen any factual information yet other than the fact that
the plane went off the end of the runway.

-Robert

[Vaughn Simon]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
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On Sep 20, 8:45 am, "Patty" > wrote:
>I haven't seen any factual information yet other than the fact that
>the plane went off the end of the runway.

But this is the Internet, so we can just wildly speculate right?

Vaughn

[Patty]

My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the pilots
that were not familiar with runway constraints. Plain and simple. Have a
better theory, at this point?


"Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Sep 20, 8:45 am, "Patty" > wrote:
>>I haven't seen any factual information yet other than the fact that
>>the plane went off the end of the runway.
>
> But this is the Internet, so we can just wildly speculate right?
>
> Vaughn
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Patty" > wrote in
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> My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the
> pilots that were not familiar with runway constraints.


What's a runway constraint?


Bertie

[Bob F.[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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> "Patty" > wrote in
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>
>> My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the
>> pilots that were not familiar with runway constraints.
>
>
> What's a runway constraint?
>
>
> Bertie


At the end of the runway, there is a 5000 ft drop, straight down. How's
that for a constraint.

--
Regards, Bob F.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Bob F." > wrote in
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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>> "Patty" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the
>>> pilots that were not familiar with runway constraints.
>>
>>
>> What's a runway constraint?
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
>
> At the end of the runway, there is a 5000 ft drop, straight down. How's
> that for a constraint.



Gives you some time to get flying speed up...

Bertie

[Patty]

>>
>> What's a runway constraint?
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
>
> At the end of the runway, there is a 5000 ft drop, straight down. How's
> that for a constraint.
>
exactly

[Mike]

"Bob F." > wrote in message
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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>> "Patty" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the
>>> pilots that were not familiar with runway constraints.
>>
>>
>> What's a runway constraint?
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
>
> At the end of the runway, there is a 5000 ft drop, straight down. How's
> that for a constraint.

Sounds like instant altitude.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Patty" > wrote in
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>
>>>
>>> What's a runway constraint?
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>>
>> At the end of the runway, there is a 5000 ft drop, straight down.
>> How's that for a constraint.
>>
> exactly
>
>
>

Who plans on using what lies beyond the end of a runway?

It doesn't answer the question.


Bertie

[Bob F.[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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> "Bob F." > wrote in
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>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>>> "Patty" > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the
>>>> pilots that were not familiar with runway constraints.
>>>
>>>
>>> What's a runway constraint?
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>>
>> At the end of the runway, there is a 5000 ft drop, straight down. How's
>> that for a constraint.
>
>
>
> Gives you some time to get flying speed up...
>
> Bertie


oops sorry, I just took another look at the article and noticed the accident
happened at Columbia S.C. I thought the accident was at Columbia Airport
in the California Sierra's. No drop that I know of in S.C.

--
Regards, Bob F.

[B A R R Y[_2_]]

Vaughn Simon wrote:
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Sep 20, 8:45 am, "Patty" > wrote:
>> I haven't seen any factual information yet other than the fact that
>> the plane went off the end of the runway.
>
> But this is the Internet, so we can just wildly speculate right?
>
> Vaughn


And people will...

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Bob F." > wrote in
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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>> "Bob F." > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Patty" > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the
>>>>> pilots that were not familiar with runway constraints.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's a runway constraint?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>>
>>> At the end of the runway, there is a 5000 ft drop, straight down.
>>> How's that for a constraint.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gives you some time to get flying speed up...
>>
>> Bertie
>
>
> oops sorry, I just took another look at the article and noticed the
> accident happened at Columbia S.C. I thought the accident was at
> Columbia Airport in the California Sierra's. No drop that I know of
> in S.C.
>
OK, but what I meant was that a pilot of an aircraft of that performance
level isn't really thinking "restraint". It's really more cut and dried
than that.


Bertie

[Bob F.[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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> "Patty" > wrote in
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>>
>>>>
>>>> What's a runway constraint?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>>
>>> At the end of the runway, there is a 5000 ft drop, straight down.
>>> How's that for a constraint.
>>>
>> exactly
>>
>>
>>
>
> Who plans on using what lies beyond the end of a runway?
>
> It doesn't answer the question.
>
>
> Bertie


Oh, you were asking a serious question. What about a clearway? It's beyond
the end of the runway and used for planning purposes...no?

--
Regards, Bob F.

[Robert M. Gary]

On Sep 20, 2:08*pm, "Patty" > wrote:
> My wild spec, for starters, *begins with, *most likely, *that the pilots
> that were not familiar with runway constraints. *Plain and simple. *Have a
> better theory, at this point?

Ok, here is a possibility that is equally supported by the current
evidence as your theory. I think all this hunting for Big Foot has Big
on the run and he's coming down from the hills and jumping in front of
airplanes.

-robert

[TheTruth[_3_]]

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> On Sep 20, 2:08 pm, "Patty" > wrote:
>> My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the pilots
>> that were not familiar with runway constraints. Plain and simple. Have a
>> better theory, at this point?
>
> Ok, here is a possibility that is equally supported by the current
> evidence as your theory. I think all this hunting for Big Foot has Big
> on the run and he's coming down from the hills and jumping in front of
> airplanes.
>
> -robert

Midnight departure?
Shades of LEX perhaps?

Possibly just one tired over worked poorly trained inexperienced
controller on duty while the high priced FAA managers chase whores and
wine and dine the neighbor's wife?

Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Mike]

"TheTruth" > wrote in message
...
> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>> On Sep 20, 2:08 pm, "Patty" > wrote:
>>> My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the pilots
>>> that were not familiar with runway constraints. Plain and simple. Have
>>> a
>>> better theory, at this point?
>>
>> Ok, here is a possibility that is equally supported by the current
>> evidence as your theory. I think all this hunting for Big Foot has Big
>> on the run and he's coming down from the hills and jumping in front of
>> airplanes.
>>
>> -robert
>
> Midnight departure?
> Shades of LEX perhaps?

Both runways are longer than 8,000', crackhead. Try again, JJ.

[Ed]

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:33:27 -0400, "Bob F." >
wrote:


>>> At the end of the runway, there is a 5000 ft drop, straight down. How's
>>> that for a constraint.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gives you some time to get flying speed up...
>>
>> Bertie
>
>
>oops sorry, I just took another look at the article and noticed the accident
>happened at Columbia S.C. I thought the accident was at Columbia Airport
>in the California Sierra's. No drop that I know of in S.C.

I have been into Columbia, California airport many times and if there
is a 5000 ft drop, they must have dug it recently.

Ed Sullivan

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Bob F." > wrote in
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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>> "Patty" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What's a runway constraint?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At the end of the runway, there is a 5000 ft drop, straight down.
>>>> How's that for a constraint.
>>>>
>>> exactly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Who plans on using what lies beyond the end of a runway?
>>
>> It doesn't answer the question.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
>
> Oh, you were asking a serious question. What about a clearway? It's
> beyond the end of the runway and used for planning purposes...no?
>

True, but it's part of the runway environment. The point I was trying to
make was that the word just didn't seem to fit the picture. I dont know
what word I would use in it's place. Performance limitations would
probably be closer to it, but that probably had little to do with the
accident in any case, as they were probably well within those..
I just thought "constraint" is a bit tabloid n this case.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

TheTruth > wrote in
:

> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>> On Sep 20, 2:08 pm, "Patty" > wrote:
>>> My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the
>>> pilots that were not familiar with runway constraints. Plain and
>>> simple. Have a better theory, at this point?
>>
>> Ok, here is a possibility that is equally supported by the current
>> evidence as your theory. I think all this hunting for Big Foot has
>> Big on the run and he's coming down from the hills and jumping in
>> front of airplanes.
>>
>> -robert
>
> Midnight departure?
> Shades of LEX perhaps?
>
> Possibly just one tired over worked poorly trained inexperienced
> controller on duty while the high priced FAA managers chase whores and
> wine and dine the neighbor's wife?



unlikely unless the airplane ran into another airplen, since all
controllers do is keep airplanes seperated.



Fjukkkwit.


Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Patty" > wrote in
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| > My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the
| > pilots that were not familiar with runway constraints.
|
|
| What's a runway constraint?
|
|
| Bertie

Waddda dumbass.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Bob F." > wrote in
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| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >> "Patty" > wrote in
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| >>
| >>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>> What's a runway constraint?
| >>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>> Bertie
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> At the end of the runway, there is a 5000 ft drop, straight down.
| >>>> How's that for a constraint.
| >>>>
| >>> exactly
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>
| >> Who plans on using what lies beyond the end of a runway?
| >>
| >> It doesn't answer the question.
| >>
| >>
| >> Bertie
| >
| >
| > Oh, you were asking a serious question. What about a clearway? It's
| > beyond the end of the runway and used for planning purposes...no?
| >
|
| True, but it's part of the runway environment. The point I was trying to
| make was that the word just didn't seem to fit the picture. I dont know
| what word I would use in it's place. Performance limitations would
| probably be closer to it, but that probably had little to do with the
| accident in any case, as they were probably well within those..
| I just thought "constraint" is a bit tabloid n this case.
|
|
| Bertie

Yeah, but you THINK a lot of ****.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| TheTruth > wrote in
| :
|
| > Robert M. Gary wrote:
| >> On Sep 20, 2:08 pm, "Patty" > wrote:
| >>> My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the
| >>> pilots that were not familiar with runway constraints. Plain and
| >>> simple. Have a better theory, at this point?
| >>
| >> Ok, here is a possibility that is equally supported by the current
| >> evidence as your theory. I think all this hunting for Big Foot has
| >> Big on the run and he's coming down from the hills and jumping in
| >> front of airplanes.
| >>
| >> -robert
| >
| > Midnight departure?
| > Shades of LEX perhaps?
| >
| > Possibly just one tired over worked poorly trained inexperienced
| > controller on duty while the high priced FAA managers chase whores and
| > wine and dine the neighbor's wife?
|
|
|
| unlikely unless the airplane ran into another airplen, since all
| controllers do is keep airplanes seperated.
|
|
|
| Fjukkkwit.
|
|
| Bertie

[Robert M. Gary]

On Sep 21, 9:09*am, TheTruth > wrote:

> Midnight departure?
> Shades of LEX perhaps?
>
> Possibly just one tired over worked poorly trained inexperienced
> controller on duty while the high priced FAA managers chase whores and
> wine and dine the neighbor's wife?
>
> Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Based on what evidence? Given the current known facts my Big Foot
theory is at least as supported by facts as your theory.

-roberrt

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| "Bob F." > wrote in
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| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| >> "Patty" > wrote in
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| >| >>
| >| >>>
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>> What's a runway constraint?
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>>
| >| >>>>> Bertie
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>>
| >| >>>> At the end of the runway, there is a 5000 ft drop, straight
| down.
| >| >>>> How's that for a constraint.
| >| >>>>
| >| >>> exactly
| >| >>>
| >| >>>
| >| >>>
| >| >>
| >| >> Who plans on using what lies beyond the end of a runway?
| >| >>
| >| >> It doesn't answer the question.
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >> Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| > Oh, you were asking a serious question. What about a clearway?
| It's
| >| > beyond the end of the runway and used for planning purposes...no?
| >| >
| >|
| >| True, but it's part of the runway environment. The point I was trying
| to
| >| make was that the word just didn't seem to fit the picture. I dont
| know
| >| what word I would use in it's place. Performance limitations would
| >| probably be closer to it, but that probably had little to do with the
| >| accident in any case, as they were probably well within those..
| >| I just thought "constraint" is a bit tabloid n this case.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| > Yeah, but you THINK a lot of ****.
| >
|
| Yep, I think about you, for instance.
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >|
| >| > My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the
| >| > pilots that were not familiar with runway constraints.
| >|
| >|
| >| What's a runway constraint?
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| > Waddda dumbass.
| >
| >
| >
|
| Awww, huwt you again did I kookieboi?
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| TheTruth > wrote in
| >| :
| >|
| >| > Robert M. Gary wrote:
| >| >> On Sep 20, 2:08 pm, "Patty" > wrote:
| >| >>> My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the
| >| >>> pilots that were not familiar with runway constraints. Plain and
| >| >>> simple. Have a better theory, at this point?
| >| >>
| >| >> Ok, here is a possibility that is equally supported by the current
| >| >> evidence as your theory. I think all this hunting for Big Foot has
| >| >> Big on the run and he's coming down from the hills and jumping in
| >| >> front of airplanes.
| >| >>
| >| >> -robert
| >| >
| >| > Midnight departure?
| >| > Shades of LEX perhaps?
| >| >
| >| > Possibly just one tired over worked poorly trained inexperienced
| >| > controller on duty while the high priced FAA managers chase whores
| and
| >| > wine and dine the neighbor's wife?
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| unlikely unless the airplane ran into another airplen, since all
| >| controllers do is keep airplanes seperated.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Fjukkkwit.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|
|

[Arturo Toscanini via AviationKB.com]

TheTruth wrote:
>
>Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Jeezuz. What a stupid ****.

He sees FAA managers in his cheerios.
While remaining a leech on the gov't dole.

ooh..what's that?
the FAA caused another earthquake.

oooo.. ants in the kitchen?
AAAGH the FAA put ants in my house!!!

At least the slug seems to have stopped slobbering his favorite word
"sycophant".

for now.

--
Message posted via http://www.aviationkb.com

[Mike]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
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> On Sep 21, 9:09 am, TheTruth > wrote:
>
> > Midnight departure?
> > Shades of LEX perhaps?
> >
> > Possibly just one tired over worked poorly trained inexperienced
> > controller on duty while the high priced FAA managers chase whores and
> > wine and dine the neighbor's wife?
> >
> > Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>
> Based on what evidence? Given the current known facts my Big Foot
> theory is at least as supported by facts as your theory.

Au contraire. JJ supports his theories with lysergic acid diethylamide.

[Mick[_2_]]

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| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >| >| "Patty" > wrote in
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| >| >|
| >| >| > My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the
| >| >| > pilots that were not familiar with runway constraints.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| What's a runway constraint?
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| > Waddda dumbass.
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| Awww, huwt you again did I kookieboi?
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
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| "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
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| > On Sep 21, 9:09 am, TheTruth > wrote:
| >
| > > Midnight departure?
| > > Shades of LEX perhaps?
| > >
| > > Possibly just one tired over worked poorly trained inexperienced
| > > controller on duty while the high priced FAA managers chase whores and
| > > wine and dine the neighbor's wife?
| > >
| > > Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
| >
| > Based on what evidence? Given the current known facts my Big Foot
| > theory is at least as supported by facts as your theory.
|
| Au contraire. JJ supports his theories with lysergic acid diethylamide.
|

Spoken like a true user.

[Mike]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> | "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
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> ...
> | > On Sep 21, 9:09 am, TheTruth > wrote:
> | >
> | > > Midnight departure?
> | > > Shades of LEX perhaps?
> | > >
> | > > Possibly just one tired over worked poorly trained inexperienced
> | > > controller on duty while the high priced FAA managers chase whores
> and
> | > > wine and dine the neighbor's wife?
> | > >
> | > > Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
> | >
> | > Based on what evidence? Given the current known facts my Big Foot
> | > theory is at least as supported by facts as your theory.
> |
> | Au contraire. JJ supports his theories with lysergic acid diethylamide.
> |
>
> Spoken like a true user.

....sez the fetal alcohol syndrome victim.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in
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> "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>> | "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
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>> news:56aef12d-3dd6-4d1e-b063-d28fbab81171
@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com
>> ...
>> | > On Sep 21, 9:09 am, TheTruth > wrote:
>> | >
>> | > > Midnight departure?
>> | > > Shades of LEX perhaps?
>> | > >
>> | > > Possibly just one tired over worked poorly trained
>> | > > inexperienced controller on duty while the high priced FAA
>> | > > managers chase whores
>> and
>> | > > wine and dine the neighbor's wife?
>> | > >
>> | > > Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>> | >
>> | > Based on what evidence? Given the current known facts my Big Foot
>> | > theory is at least as supported by facts as your theory.
>> |
>> | Au contraire. JJ supports his theories with lysergic acid
>> | diethylamide.
>> |
>>
>> Spoken like a true user.
>
> ...sez the fetal alcohol syndrome victim.
>
>


Yep


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Bertie