Crab, slips, and crossed controls

[Amine]

Hey,

Some of you may have heard of Air Canada 143 [http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=dfJIpA2gv1g] which ran out of fuel in mid air and had to make
an emergency descent at velocities way above the normal limits. The
pilot's makeshift technique was to engage a sideslip to decelerate the
aircraft (which by then had no flaps, and only minimal hydraulics).

Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
between the two is...) were only to be used to handle crosswinds. I
didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive speed,
although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective. Anyone out
there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind approaches?

PS: I have read about many cases of jetliners that had to make
emergency descents at abnormally high speeds, but the AC143 seems the
only one to have used the sideslip.

[Stealth Pilot[_2_]]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:10:03 -0700 (PDT), Amine >
wrote:

>Hey,
>
>Some of you may have heard of Air Canada 143 [http://www.youtube.com/
>watch?v=dfJIpA2gv1g] which ran out of fuel in mid air and had to make
>an emergency descent at velocities way above the normal limits. The
>pilot's makeshift technique was to engage a sideslip to decelerate the
>aircraft (which by then had no flaps, and only minimal hydraulics).
>
>Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
>between the two is...) were only to be used to handle crosswinds. I
>didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive speed,
>although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective. Anyone out
>there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind approaches?
>
>PS: I have read about many cases of jetliners that had to make
>emergency descents at abnormally high speeds, but the AC143 seems the
>only one to have used the sideslip.

all the time to increase the descent angle. not because of bad
piloting mind you.

I was given clearance to land at Parafield once when I came over to
refuel. the clearance was absurd since I was above short base at
1500ft still approaching the circuit but a clearance to land it was
and it was convenient. I side slipped off nearly 1500ft and made it
bang on the numbers. not bang as in splat but 'bang on' as in
precisely at the position (australian idiom)

Sideslips are a very useful tool because they allow you to
substantially increase the drag, which makes you descent like a
plumbers toolbag, but doesnt change the forward speed. so you have no
increased risk of stalling as you wash off the height.

The Gimli glider pilot used the technique for all the right reasons.
Stealth Pilot

[Gene Seibel]

On Sep 22, 7:10*am, Amine > wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Some of you may have heard of Air Canada 143 [http://www.youtube.com/
> watch?v=dfJIpA2gv1g] which ran out of fuel in mid air and had to make
> an emergency descent at velocities way above the normal limits. The
> pilot's makeshift technique was to engage a sideslip to decelerate the
> aircraft (which by then had no flaps, and only minimal hydraulics).
>
> Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
> between the two is...) were only to be used to handle crosswinds. I
> didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive speed,
> although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective. Anyone out
> there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind approaches?
>
> PS: I have read about many cases of jetliners that had to make
> emergency descents at abnormally high speeds, but the AC143 seems the
> only one to have used the sideslip.

Slips were in common use for bringing an aircraft down in the days
before flaps, and were taught for that purpose when learned to fly in
the 70's. They work very well. Is that no longer being taught?
--
Gene Seibel
Gene & Sue's Flying Machine - http://pad39a.com/gene/
Because we fly, we envy no one.

[Robert Moore]

Stealth Pilot wrote
> Sideslips are a very useful tool because they allow you to
> substantially increase the drag, which makes you descent like a
> plumbers toolbag, but doesnt change the forward speed. so you have no
> increased risk of stalling as you wash off the height.

What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control usage
is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly on final without
having the airspeed increase. If one is not landing, I suppose that it
would just be a "slip".

Airliners normally do not use either because of the increased discomfort
caused the passengers....both being uncoordinated flight.

Amine > wrote:
>PS: I have read about many cases of jetliners that had to make
>emergency descents at abnormally high speeds, but the AC143 seems the
>only one to have used the sideslip.

AC 143 was constrained by "touchdown speed" runway length. An "emergency
descent" has no such constraint and therefore is able to use the
aircraft's maximum certificated speed for the descent...far in excess of
what would be possible in an approach/landing situation.

In an engine failure situation, keep it as high as possible for as long
as possible to insure that the field can be reached, and then slip as
much as required to lose the excess altitude without gaining airspeed.

Bob Moore
Flight Instructor ASE-IA
ATP B-707 B-727
PanAm (retired)

[Stefan]

Robert Moore schrieb:

> What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control usage
> is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
> and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly

A slip is a slip is a slip.

I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art of
making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the conlusion
that it's to look more impressive to the female students.

[Robert Moore]

Stefan wrote
> A slip is a slip is a slip.
> I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art of
> making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the conlusion
> that it's to look more impressive to the female students.

From The FAA H-8083-3a, Airplane Flying Handbook

INTENTIONAL SLIPS
A slip occurs when the bank angle of an airplane is too
steep for the existing rate of turn. Unintentional slips
are most often the result of uncoordinated
rudder/aileron application. Intentional slips, however,
are used to dissipate altitude without increasing airspeed,
and/or to adjust airplane ground track during a
crosswind. Intentional slips are especially useful in
forced landings, and in situations where obstacles must
be cleared during approaches to confined areas. A slip
can also be used as an emergency means of rapidly
A slip is a combination of forward movement and
sideward (with respect to the longitudinal axis of the
airplane) movement, the lateral axis being inclined
and the sideward movement being toward the low
end of this axis (low wing). An airplane in a slip is in
fact flying sideways. This results in a change in the
direction the relative wind strikes the airplane. Slips
are characterized by a marked increase in drag and
corresponding decrease in airplane climb, cruise, and
glide performance. It is the increase in drag, however,
that makes it possible for an airplane in a slip to
descend rapidly without an increase in airspeed.

A“sideslip” is entered by lowering a wing and applying
just enough opposite rudder to prevent a turn. In a
sideslip, the airplane’s longitudinal axis remains parallel
to the original flightpath, but the airplane no
longer flies straight ahead. Instead the horizontal
component of wing lift forces the airplane also to
move somewhat sideways toward the low wing.
[Figure 8-12] The amount of slip, and therefore the
rate of sideward movement, is determined by the bank
angle. The steeper the bank—the greater the degree of
slip. As bank angle is increased, however, additional
opposite rudder is required to prevent turning.

A “forward slip” is one in which the airplane’s
direction of motion continues the same as before the
slip was begun. Assuming the airplane is originally
in straight flight, the wing on the side toward which
the slip is to be made should be lowered by use of the
ailerons. Simultaneously, the airplane’s nose must be
yawed in the opposite direction by applying opposite
rudder so that the airplane’s longitudinal axis is at an
angle to its original flightpath. [Figure 8-13] The
degree to which the nose is yawed in the opposite
direction from the bank should be such that the
original ground track is maintained. In a forward slip,
the amount of slip, and therefore the sink rate, is
determined by the bank angle. The steeper the bank—
the steeper the descent.

Rgds Bob Moore

[Stefan]

Robert Moore schrieb:

>> A slip is a slip is a slip.

> From The FAA H-8083-3a, Airplane Flying Handbook

Ok, so in the USA there exist several different brands of slips.

In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip. Which is
how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.

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Gene Seibel > wrote:
> On Sep 22, 7:10?am, Amine > wrote:
>> Hey,
>>
>> Some of you may have heard of Air Canada 143 [http://www.youtube.com/
>> watch?v=dfJIpA2gv1g] which ran out of fuel in mid air and had to make
>> an emergency descent at velocities way above the normal limits. The
>> pilot's makeshift technique was to engage a sideslip to decelerate the
>> aircraft (which by then had no flaps, and only minimal hydraulics).
>>
>> Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
>> between the two is...) were only to be used to handle crosswinds. I
>> didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive speed,
>> although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective. Anyone out
>> there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind approaches?
>>
>> PS: I have read about many cases of jetliners that had to make
>> emergency descents at abnormally high speeds, but the AC143 seems the
>> only one to have used the sideslip.
>
> Slips were in common use for bringing an aircraft down in the days
> before flaps, and were taught for that purpose when learned to fly in
> the 70's. They work very well. Is that no longer being taught?

Sure they are still being taught, though the emphasis these days
is in crosswind landings. I think I only did one or two to lose
altitude while a student, the instructors comment being if you
plan properly you seldom need to do this in an airplane with flaps.


--
Jim Pennino

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[Gig 601Xl Builder]

wrote:
> Gene Seibel > wrote:
>> On Sep 22, 7:10?am, Amine > wrote:
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> Some of you may have heard of Air Canada 143 [http://www.youtube.com/
>>> watch?v=dfJIpA2gv1g] which ran out of fuel in mid air and had to make
>>> an emergency descent at velocities way above the normal limits. The
>>> pilot's makeshift technique was to engage a sideslip to decelerate the
>>> aircraft (which by then had no flaps, and only minimal hydraulics).
>>>
>>> Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
>>> between the two is...) were only to be used to handle crosswinds. I
>>> didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive speed,
>>> although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective. Anyone out
>>> there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind approaches?
>>>
>>> PS: I have read about many cases of jetliners that had to make
>>> emergency descents at abnormally high speeds, but the AC143 seems the
>>> only one to have used the sideslip.
>> Slips were in common use for bringing an aircraft down in the days
>> before flaps, and were taught for that purpose when learned to fly in
>> the 70's. They work very well. Is that no longer being taught?
>
> Sure they are still being taught, though the emphasis these days
> is in crosswind landings. I think I only did one or two to lose
> altitude while a student, the instructors comment being if you
> plan properly you seldom need to do this in an airplane with flaps.
>
>

In the mid to late 80's I was doing the first BFR away from my
home-drome and with a CFI I didn't really know and who was younger than
I was (he couldn't have been over 20). I hadn't flown much while at
college and had never landed at the airport where I was getting review.
During my first pattern I was on final and realized I was high and put
the plane into a slip to loose about 100-150'. From the reaction of the
CFI you would have thought I'd just told him his sister was great in
bed. He took over the plane and called a go around. He babbled for a
while about uncoordinated flight and then I realized he had never been
taught to slip for altitude. I told him I'd not ever do it again and we
finished the BFR.

Once we were back on the ground and with his boss close by I left him
reading about them in the FAA Airplane Flying Handbook they had in the
office.

[Jim Logajan]

Amine > wrote:
> Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
> between the two is...) were only to be used to handle crosswinds. I
> didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive speed,
> although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective. Anyone out
> there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind approaches?

Glider pilots use them on occasion for rapid descent and they are expected
to demonstrate proficiency in them on the practical exam.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Amine > wrote in news:18e46a13-6294-4b68-9775-
:

> Hey,
>
> Some of you may have heard of Air Canada 143 [http://www.youtube.com/
> watch?v=dfJIpA2gv1g] which ran out of fuel in mid air and had to make
> an emergency descent at velocities way above the normal limits. The
> pilot's makeshift technique was to engage a sideslip to decelerate the
> aircraft (which by then had no flaps, and only minimal hydraulics).
>
> Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
> between the two is...) were only to be used to handle crosswinds.

They're different and they aren't just used for crosswinds.


I
> didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive speed,
> although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective. Anyone out
> there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind approaches?
>
> PS: I have read about many cases of jetliners that had to make
> emergency descents at abnormally high speeds, but the AC143 seems the
> only one to have used the sideslip.
>


it isn't.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Robert Moore > wrote in
2.60:

> Stealth Pilot wrote
>> Sideslips are a very useful tool because they allow you to
>> substantially increase the drag, which makes you descent like a
>> plumbers toolbag, but doesnt change the forward speed. so you have no
>> increased risk of stalling as you wash off the height.
>
> What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control usage
> is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
> and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly on final without
> having the airspeed increase. If one is not landing, I suppose that it
> would just be a "slip".
>
> Airliners normally do not use either because of the increased discomfort
> caused the passengers....both being uncoordinated flight.

Actually, they do. The 72 and 70 were kind of excepetions because of the
risk of dragging a flap or pod, but most jet airliners land better in
crosswinds when slipped.
Even the autopilot will slip it if you're doing an autoland



Bertie
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Stefan > wrote in news:1fb3$48d7ad48$54487392$9846
@news.hispeed.ch:

> Robert Moore schrieb:
>
>> What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control usage
>> is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
>> and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
>
> A slip is a slip is a slip.


No it isn't.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Stefan > wrote in news:9cc9b$48d7b746$54487392
:

> Robert Moore schrieb:
>
>>> A slip is a slip is a slip.
>
>> From The FAA H-8083-3a, Airplane Flying Handbook
>
> Ok, so in the USA there exist several different brands of slips.
>
> In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip. Which is
> how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.


You're full of ****, stefan.

Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while aerodynamically
identical have different references.






Bertie
>

[RandyL[_3_]]

Hi Amine,
I'll sometimes use a sideslip on final when I want to practice an approach
without using any flaps. When I was flying gliders I used to use a slip
often to augment the spoilers, especially while flying gliders that had no
flaps. Using a sideslip is a great way to control your rate of descent. But
be sure to read the aircraft POH to make sure that you understand the
conditions where a sideslip may not be recommended. The POH for a Cessna 172
does not recommend forward slips with the flaps down.

Randy L.

--
Remember: Any landing that you can walk away from,
is a landing that you can be fined, sued, or prosecuted for.

"Amine" > wrote in message
...
> Hey,
>
Anyone out
> there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind approaches?
>
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"RandyL" <rlink(AT)cableone(DOT)net> wrote in
:

> Hi Amine,
> I'll sometimes use a sideslip on final when I want to practice an
> approach without using any flaps.

That's actually a forwad slip.




Bertie

[Stefan]

Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:

> You're full of ****, stefan.

Still better than completely hollow like you.

> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while aerodynamically
> identical have different references.

Of course they have different references... visual references, that is:
In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look slightly to one
side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for simple minded
like you to think they are two different maneuvres.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Stefan > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>
>> You're full of ****, stefan.
>
> Still better than completely hollow like you.
>
>> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
>> aerodynamically identical have different references.
>
> Of course they have different references... visual references, that
> is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look slightly
> to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for simple
> minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
>

Yeah, right backpedaling boi.


Bertie

[Robert Moore]

"RandyL" <rlink(AT)cableone(DOT)net> wrote
> The POH for a Cessna 172 does not recommend forward slips
> with the flaps down.

About once-a-year I post the following excerpt from "Cessna, Wings for
the World", a book by William D. Thompson.

Bill Thompson is an Aeronautical engineer from Purdue University and
worked for Cessna Aircraft Company for 28 years as an engineering test
pilot and later as the Manager of Flight Test & Aerodynamics.

-------------------------------------------------------------------
"With the advent of the large slotted flaps in the C-170, C-180, and C-
172 we encountered a nose down pitch in forward slips with the wing
flaps deflected. In some cases it was severe enough to lift the pilot
against his seat belt if he was slow in checking the motion. For this
reason a caution note was placed in most of the owner's manuals under
"Landings" reading "Slips should be avoided with flap settings greater
than 30° due to a downward pitch encountered under certain combinations
of airspeed, side-slip angle, and center of gravity loadings". Since
wing-low drift correction in cross-wind landings is normally performed
with a minimum flap setting (for better rudder control) this limitation
did not apply to that maneuver. The cause of the pitching motion is the
transition of a strong wing downwash over the tail in straight flight to
a lessened downwash angle over part of the horizontal tail caused by the
influence of a relative "upwash increment" from the upturned aileron in
slipping flight. Although not stated in the owner's manuals, we
privately encouraged flight instructors to explore these effects at high
altitude, and to pass on the information to their students. This
phenomenon was elusive and sometimes hard to duplicate, but it was
thought that a pilot should be aware of its existence and know how to
counter-act it if it occurs close to the ground.
When the larger dorsal fin was adopted in the 1972 C-172L, this side-
slip pitch phenomenon was eliminated, but the cautionary placard was
retained. In the higher-powered C-172P and C-R172 the placard was
applicable to a mild pitch "pumping" motion resulting from flap
outboard-end vortex impingement on the horizontal tail at some
combinations of side-slip angle, power, and airspeed."
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Moore ATP/CFI
12 years slipping with flaps in Skyhawks

[John Godwin]

Gig 601Xl Builder > wrote in
m:

> Once we were back on the ground and with his boss close by I left
> him reading about them in the FAA Airplane Flying Handbook they
> had in the office.
>
That's incredible. When I took my CFI Ride, I had to demonstrate a
maximum effort forward slip on final. Kicked out when I was over the
fence and hit the numbers. Seems as if your instructor didn't know the
difference between a slip and a skid.

--

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| Amine > wrote in news:18e46a13-6294-4b68-9775-
| :
|
| > Hey,
| >
| > Some of you may have heard of Air Canada 143 [http://www.youtube.com/
| > watch?v=dfJIpA2gv1g] which ran out of fuel in mid air and had to make
| > an emergency descent at velocities way above the normal limits. The
| > pilot's makeshift technique was to engage a sideslip to decelerate the
| > aircraft (which by then had no flaps, and only minimal hydraulics).
| >
| > Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
| > between the two is...) were only to be used to handle crosswinds.
|
| They're different and they aren't just used for crosswinds.
|
|
| I
| > didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive speed,
| > although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective. Anyone out
| > there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind approaches?
| >
| > PS: I have read about many cases of jetliners that had to make
| > emergency descents at abnormally high speeds, but the AC143 seems the
| > only one to have used the sideslip.
| >
|
|
| it isn't.
|
|
| Bertie

Got a link?
Didn't think so.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "RandyL" <rlink(AT)cableone(DOT)net> wrote in
| :
|
| > Hi Amine,
| > I'll sometimes use a sideslip on final when I want to practice an
| > approach without using any flaps.
|
| That's actually a forwad slip.
|
|
|
|
| Bertie

That's a slip.

[Stefan]

Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
> Stefan > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>>
>>> You're full of ****, stefan.
>> Still better than completely hollow like you.
>>
>>> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
>>> aerodynamically identical have different references.
>> Of course they have different references... visual references, that
>> is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look slightly
>> to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for simple
>> minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
>>
>
> Yeah, right backpedaling boi.

You're halluzinating, as usual.

And the follow-up trick is soooooo old and soooo booooring.

[Mike]

"Stefan" > wrote in message
...
> Robert Moore schrieb:
>
>>> A slip is a slip is a slip.
>
>> From The FAA H-8083-3a, Airplane Flying Handbook
>
> Ok, so in the USA there exist several different brands of slips.
>
> In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip. Which is how
> airplanes see it, too, I suppose.

They are two different maneuvers used for two different purposes.

Using your logic, an Immelman is a Split-S. Sorry, doesn't pass the BS
test. Try again.

[george]

On Sep 23, 8:17 am, John Godwin > wrote:

> That's incredible. When I took my CFI Ride, I had to demonstrate a
> maximum effort forward slip on final. Kicked out when I was over the
> fence and hit the numbers. Seems as if your instructor didn't know the
> difference between a slip and a skid.

A number of aircraft that I've flown do not have flaps and the
sideslip was an everyday common maneuver .
I found the practice was frowned upon in the modern aircraft as there
were claims that the elevators were shielded and all manner of
problems could develop

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

george > wrote in news:7f5d8c7e-2345-427c-bec6-
:

> On Sep 23, 8:17 am, John Godwin > wrote:
>
>> That's incredible. When I took my CFI Ride, I had to demonstrate a
>> maximum effort forward slip on final. Kicked out when I was over the
>> fence and hit the numbers. Seems as if your instructor didn't know the
>> difference between a slip and a skid.
>
> A number of aircraft that I've flown do not have flaps and the
> sideslip was an everyday common maneuver .
> I found the practice was frowned upon in the modern aircraft as there
> were claims that the elevators were shielded and all manner of
> problems could develop
>
>

Some early big flap cessnas got a little wobbly, but that's all. The Bird
dog gets very funky when slipped with full flaps ~( 60 deg) but mostly it's
just another skill falling into decline because it's "too hard"


Bertie

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Amine" > wrote in message
...
> Hey,
>
> Some of you may have heard of Air Canada 143 [http://www.youtube.com/
> watch?v=dfJIpA2gv1g] which ran out of fuel in mid air and had to make
> an .

Oh, the Gimli Glider...

The
> pilot's makeshift technique was to engage a sideslip to decelerate the
> aircraft (which by then had no flaps, and only minimal hydraulics).

Ok, I wouldn't describe it as a "emergency descent at velocities way above
the normal limits" - they were trying to glide into a former airport for a
landing. Since they didn't have any flaps, they had to come in faster than
usual and the pilot used a slip to control the glide angle (not decelerate)
since he didn't have flaps / spoilers / power to work with.
Nothing makeshift about that.

>
> Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
> between the two is...) were only to be used to handle crosswinds. I
> didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive speed,
> although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective. Anyone out
> there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind approaches?

It was used in this case to control the glide angle - a typical thing to do
in aircraft without flaps and sometimes a handy tool if you do have flaps.
I used to fly a Cessna 120 which didn't have flaps - I would slip in to a
landing more often than not.

But a very aggessive side slip tend to be uncomfortable for passengers.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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[Vaughn Simon]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
>
> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while aerodynamically
> identical have different references.

This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on forever
without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's definition you
wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions like this, I keep an old copy
of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf. I found it interesting that Wolfgang
apparently found no need to make a distinction; regardless if done for glidepath
control or landing in a crosswind, he calls them both "sideslips".

Go figure.

Vaughn

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Vaughn Simon" > wrote in
:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
>> aerodynamically identical have different references.
>
> This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on
> forever
> without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
> definition you wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions like
> this, I keep an old copy of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf. I found
> it interesting that Wolfgang apparently found no need to make a
> distinction; regardless if done for glidepath control or landing in a
> crosswind, he calls them both "sideslips".

Mmm, cept Stefan the cheese nazi has no intention of discussing anythign.


Bertie

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Stefan" > wrote in message
...
> Robert Moore schrieb:
>
>>> A slip is a slip is a slip.
>
>> From The FAA H-8083-3a, Airplane Flying Handbook
>
> Ok, so in the USA there exist several different brands of slips.
>
> In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip. Which is
> how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.

Yea, but you have to remember which is which in case it comes up on a test.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Sep 22, 5:37*pm, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk @See My
Sig.com> wrote:
> "Amine" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Hey,
>
> > Some of you may have heard of Air Canada 143 [http://www.youtube.com/
> > watch?v=dfJIpA2gv1g] which ran out of fuel in mid air and had to make
> > an .
>
> Oh, the Gimli Glider...
>
> The
>
> > pilot's makeshift technique was to engage a sideslip to decelerate the
> > aircraft (which by then had no flaps, and only minimal hydraulics).
>
> Ok, I wouldn't describe it as a "emergency descent at velocities way above
> the normal limits" - they were trying to glide into a former airport for a
> landing. Since they didn't have any flaps, they had to come in faster than
> usual and the pilot used a slip to control the glide angle (not decelerate)
> since he didn't have flaps / spoilers / power to work with.
> Nothing makeshift about that.
>
>
>
> > Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
> > between the two is...) were only to be used to handle crosswinds. I
> > didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive speed,
> > although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective. Anyone out
> > there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind approaches?
>
> It was used in this case to control the glide angle - a typical thing to do
> in aircraft without flaps and sometimes a handy tool if you do have flaps..
> I used to fly a Cessna 120 which didn't have flaps - I would slip in to a
> landing more often than not.
>
> But a very aggessive side slip tend to be uncomfortable for passengers.
>
> --
> Geoff
> The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
> remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
> When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

Many air show pilots use a slip to simply scrub off some altitude or
airspeed entering a show line if the entry is a bit high or fast or
both. I usually employed this in the entry turn which was almost
always a descending turn into the show line. It's quite common to see
pilots of high performance tail wheel airplanes like a Pitts for
example, using a slipping turn onto final approach, then holding in
the slip correcting the turn into a slipping transition to a short
straight slipping final.
I like to think of slips not so much as a maneuver per se, but simply
an application of diliberate crossing of controls to achieve a
specific result from the airplane. In other words, a slip should be
considered as much of the pilot's normal control application as any so
called "coordinated" input of controls.

[[email protected]]

On Sep 22, 9:18*am, Stefan > wrote:
> Robert Moore schrieb:
>
> >> A slip is a slip is a slip.
> > From The FAA H-8083-3a, *Airplane Flying Handbook
>
> Ok, so in the USA there exist several different brands of slips.
>
> In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip. Which is
> how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.

More countries than the USA see it as separate ideas. In
Canada we see things as forward or side-slipping:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/general/Flttrain/planes/Pubs/TP975/PartII/Ex15.htm
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/general/Flttrain/planes/Pubs/TP13723/ex15..htm

The airplane doesn't care which we are doing, and it feels no
difference in airflow. The difference is in the ground track relative
to aircraft heading, which makes all the difference to the pilot,
since he wants to meet the surface at a certain place and if he uses a
sideslip when there's no wind, he'll be in the rhubarb well off to the
side of the runway, the same place he'll end up if he uses a forward
slip when he's trying to correct for crosswind.
The Air Canada pilot was a sailplane pilot, too, familiar with
slipping, and had operated sailplanes out of Gimli so he knew the
place. If anyone else had been at the controls it might not have
turned out so pretty.
I don't know why so many pilots are afraid of slipping, and why
some aren't getting the training and testing. As you can see in the
links, Canada mandates and tests for it and we use it all the time,
even in 172Ms that make no fuss at all doing it with full flaps. 172s
have too little rudder authority to make a slip really useful, though,
and once we start the students in the Citabrias they find out what a
good slip really looks like. My Jodel with its all-flying rudder (no
fin) will slip so aggressively that it scares almost anyone, and this
in a little airplane with short wings that needs no flaps in the first
place because it descends so steeply with power off.
Canada also mandates the spin demo for private students (ours
get to perform the full entry and recovery) but it's not on the PPL
flight test; Commercial flight test candidates have to enter and
recover on command from the examiner. It's another technique too few
pilots are familiar with. We don't kill people doing it, either.

Dan

[John Godwin]

george > wrote in

m:

> A number of aircraft that I've flown do not have flaps and the
> sideslip was an everyday common maneuver .
> I found the practice was frowned upon in the modern aircraft as
> there were claims that the elevators were shielded and all manner
> of problems could develop
>

The only one I've seen with that notation was the Cessna. It wasn't
prohibited but the plane seemed to slightly porpoise when you did it.

--

[Mick[_2_]]

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
| Amine > wrote:
| > Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
| > between the two is...) were only to be used to handle crosswinds. I
| > didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive speed,
| > although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective. Anyone out
| > there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind approaches?
|
| Glider pilots use them on occasion for rapid descent and they are expected
| to demonstrate proficiency in them on the practical exam.

How do you maintain alignment with the tow plane?

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| Amine > wrote in news:18e46a13-6294-4b68-9775-
| :
|
| > Hey,
| >
| > Some of you may have heard of Air Canada 143 [http://www.youtube.com/
| > watch?v=dfJIpA2gv1g] which ran out of fuel in mid air and had to make
| > an emergency descent at velocities way above the normal limits. The
| > pilot's makeshift technique was to engage a sideslip to decelerate the
| > aircraft (which by then had no flaps, and only minimal hydraulics).
| >
| > Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
| > between the two is...) were only to be used to handle crosswinds.
|
| They're different and they aren't just used for crosswinds.
|
|
| I
| > didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive speed,
| > although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective. Anyone out
| > there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind approaches?
| >
| > PS: I have read about many cases of jetliners that had to make
| > emergency descents at abnormally high speeds, but the AC143 seems the
| > only one to have used the sideslip.
| >
|
|
| it isn't.
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| Robert Moore > wrote in
| 2.60:
|
| > Stealth Pilot wrote
| >> Sideslips are a very useful tool because they allow you to
| >> substantially increase the drag, which makes you descent like a
| >> plumbers toolbag, but doesnt change the forward speed. so you have no
| >> increased risk of stalling as you wash off the height.
| >
| > What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control usage
| > is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
| > and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly on final without
| > having the airspeed increase. If one is not landing, I suppose that it
| > would just be a "slip".
| >
| > Airliners normally do not use either because of the increased discomfort
| > caused the passengers....both being uncoordinated flight.
|
| Actually, they do. The 72 and 70 were kind of excepetions because of the
| risk of dragging a flap or pod, but most jet airliners land better in
| crosswinds when slipped.
| Even the autopilot will slip it if you're doing an autoland
|
|
|
| Bertie
| >
|

You're an idiot. Stay in context dumb ass.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| Stefan > wrote in news:1fb3$48d7ad48$54487392$9846
| @news.hispeed.ch:
|
| > Robert Moore schrieb:
| >
| >> What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control usage
| >> is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
| >> and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
| >
| > A slip is a slip is a slip.
|
|
| No it isn't.
|
|
| Bertie

Then how is it different, dumb ass.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| Stefan > wrote in
| :
|
| > Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
| >
| >> You're full of ****, stefan.
| >
| > Still better than completely hollow like you.
| >
| >> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| >> aerodynamically identical have different references.
| >
| > Of course they have different references... visual references, that
| > is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look slightly
| > to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for simple
| > minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
| >
|
| Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| Stefan > wrote in news:9cc9b$48d7b746$54487392
| :
|
| > Robert Moore schrieb:
| >
| >>> A slip is a slip is a slip.
| >
| >> From The FAA H-8083-3a, Airplane Flying Handbook
| >
| > Ok, so in the USA there exist several different brands of slips.
| >
| > In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip. Which is
| > how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.
|
|
| You're full of ****, stefan.
|
| Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while aerodynamically
| identical have different references.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Bertie
| >
|

You're full of ****. A slip is a slip, and you are a sap.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Stefan" > wrote in message
.. .
| Robert Moore schrieb:
|
| > What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control usage
| > is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
| > and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
|
| A slip is a slip is a slip.
|
| I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art of
| making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the conlusion
| that it's to look more impressive to the female students.

Cuz they have their heads up their asses, just like Bertie Buttlick.

[Alan Gerber]

wrote:
> Sure they are still being taught, though the emphasis these days
> is in crosswind landings. I think I only did one or two to lose
> altitude while a student, the instructors comment being if you
> plan properly you seldom need to do this in an airplane with flaps.

Exactly. My instructor's comment was that we were practicing it in case
the flaps failed. And because it's in the PTS, of course.

.... Alan
--
Alan Gerber
PP-ASEL
gerber AT panix DOT com

[Alan Gerber]

Gene Seibel > wrote:
> Slips were in common use for bringing an aircraft down in the days
> before flaps, and were taught for that purpose when learned to fly in
> the 70's. They work very well. Is that no longer being taught?

It's still in the PTS, as far as I can tell. It's even required to be
taught pre-solo.

.... Alan
--
Alan Gerber
PP-ASEL
gerber AT panix DOT com

[Stefan]

Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe schrieb:

>> In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip. Which is
>> how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.

> Yea, but you have to remember which is which in case it comes up on a test.

Now *this* is a valid argument which I must accept! :-)

[Stefan]

schrieb:

> The Air Canada pilot was a sailplane pilot, too, familiar with
> slipping, and had operated sailplanes out of Gimli so he knew the
> place. If anyone else had been at the controls it might not have
> turned out so pretty.

An airline pilot who happens to also be a pretty good sailplane pilot
told me that it would have been much easier and equally efficient to
just do S turns to adjust the glide path. This would also have avoided
possible problems driving the air driven generator. The pilot who who
did a glider landing with anairbus on the Azores in 2001 used that
technique.

[Stefan]

Mick schrieb:

> | Glider pilots use them on occasion for rapid descent and they are expected
> | to demonstrate proficiency in them on the practical exam.

> How do you maintain alignment with the tow plane?

When *descending*? <:o)

BTW, some glider pilots use short slips to take up slack from the tow
rope, should there happen to occur some in turbulence. Most prefer the
use of airbrakes, though.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
> .. .
>| Amine > wrote:
>| > Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
>| > between the two is...) were only to be used to handle crosswinds. I
>| > didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive
>| > speed, although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective.
>| > Anyone out there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind
>| > approaches?
>|
>| Glider pilots use them on occasion for rapid descent and they are
>| expected to demonstrate proficiency in them on the practical exam.
>
> How do you maintain alignment with the tow plane?
>
>
What's it to you, you don't fly.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Stefan > wrote in
:

> Mick schrieb:
>
>> | Glider pilots use them on occasion for rapid descent and they are
>> | expected to demonstrate proficiency in them on the practical exam.
>
>> How do you maintain alignment with the tow plane?
>
> When *descending*? <:o)
>
> BTW, some glider pilots use short slips to take up slack from the tow
> rope, should there happen to occur some in turbulence. Most prefer the
> use of airbrakes, though.
>

No, they don;t fjukkktard.


They skid.



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| Stefan > wrote in
>| news:1fb3$48d7ad48$54487392$9846 @news.hispeed.ch:
>|
>| > Robert Moore schrieb:
>| >
>| >> What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control
>| >> usage is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a
>| >> crosswind, and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
>| >
>| > A slip is a slip is a slip.
>|
>|
>| No it isn't.
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>
> Then how is it different, dumb ass.
>


What's it to you, you don't fly and never will.


You just proved that with this poast.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| Stefan > wrote in news:9cc9b$48d7b746
$54487392
>| :
>|
>| > Robert Moore schrieb:
>| >
>| >>> A slip is a slip is a slip.
>| >
>| >> From The FAA H-8083-3a, Airplane Flying Handbook
>| >
>| > Ok, so in the USA there exist several different brands of slips.
>| >
>| > In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip. Which
is
>| > how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.
>|
>|
>| You're full of ****, stefan.
>|
>| Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
aerodynamically
>| identical have different references.
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>| >
>|
>
> You're full of ****. A slip is a slip, and you are a sap.
>
>
>
>
>

nope, doesn't matter since you don't fly, though.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Alan Gerber > wrote in news:gb9s8n$ngu$1
@reader1.panix.com:

> wrote:
>> Sure they are still being taught, though the emphasis these days
>> is in crosswind landings. I think I only did one or two to lose
>> altitude while a student, the instructors comment being if you
>> plan properly you seldom need to do this in an airplane with flaps.
>
> Exactly. My instructor's comment was that we were practicing it in case
> the flaps failed. And because it's in the PTS, of course.

There's value in that, but they're also more useful than flaps in the event
of an engine failure. You get better glide control with them and you can
always use the flaps at the end of the glide..


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

Stefan > wrote in
:

> Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe schrieb:
>
>>> In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip. Which
>>> is how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.
>
>> Yea, but you have to remember which is which in case it comes up on a
>> test.
>
> Now *this* is a valid argument which I must accept! :-)
>

You're an idiot.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Stefan" > wrote in message
> .. .
>| Robert Moore schrieb:
>|
>| > What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control usage
>| > is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
>| > and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
>|
>| A slip is a slip is a slip.
>|
>| I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art of
>| making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the conlusion
>| that it's to look more impressive to the female students.
>
> Cuz they have their heads up their asses, just like Bertie Buttlick.
>


Bwawhahw!

You actualy think you're wearing me down or something, don't you?



Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw!


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Stefan" > wrote in message
> .. .
>| Robert Moore schrieb:
>|
>| > What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control usage
>| > is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
>| > and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
>|
>| A slip is a slip is a slip.
>|
>| I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art of
>| making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the conlusion
>| that it's to look more impressive to the female students.
>
> Cuz they have their heads up their asses, just like Bertie Buttlick.
>


Bwawhahw!

You actualy think you're wearing me down or something, don't you?



Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw!


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Stefan" > wrote in message
> .. .
>| Robert Moore schrieb:
>|
>| > What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control usage
>| > is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
>| > and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
>|
>| A slip is a slip is a slip.
>|
>| I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art of
>| making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the conlusion
>| that it's to look more impressive to the female students.
>
> Cuz they have their heads up their asses, just like Bertie Buttlick.
>


Bwawhahw!

You actualy think you're wearing me down or something, don't you?



Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw!


Bertie

[[email protected]]

On Sep 22, 5:29*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> george > wrote in news:7f5d8c7e-2345-427c-bec6-
> :
>
> > On Sep 23, 8:17 am, John Godwin > wrote:
>
> >> That's incredible. *When I took my CFI Ride, I had to demonstrate a
> >> maximum effort forward slip on final. *Kicked out when I was over the
> >> fence and hit the numbers. *Seems as if your instructor didn't know the
> >> difference between a slip and a skid.
>
> > A number of aircraft that I've flown do not have flaps and the
> > sideslip was an everyday common maneuver .
> > I found the practice was frowned upon in the modern aircraft as there
> > were claims that the elevators were shielded and all manner of
> > problems could develop
>
> Some early big flap cessnas got a little wobbly, but that's all. The Bird
> dog gets very funky when slipped with full flaps ~( 60 deg) but mostly it's
> just another skill falling into decline because it's "too hard"
>
> Bertie

I'm a student with 70 hrs and my CFI teaches slips to bleed off
altitude, especially for engine failure practice. The only restriction
is not to use full flaps in a 172SP. Apparently it causes too much
vibration.

[[email protected]]

On Sep 23, 8:12*am, jeremy > wrote:
> Stefan wrote:
> > An airline pilot who happens to also be a pretty good sailplane pilot
> > told me that it would have been much easier and equally efficient to
> > just do S turns to adjust the glide path. This would also have avoided
> > possible problems driving the air driven generator. The pilot who who
> > did a glider landing with anairbus on the Azores in 2001 used that
> > technique.
>
> Probably the easiest alternative to trying to haul the thing around the sky
> with degraded controls.
>
> JJ

S-turns are OK if you have the room. If you're in too close
they're useless. I can image the distance needed to S-turn an
airliner...

Dan

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

" > wrote in
:

> On Sep 22, 5:29*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> george > wrote in news:7f5d8c7e-2345-427c-bec6-
>> :
>>
>> > On Sep 23, 8:17 am, John Godwin > wrote:
>>
>> >> That's incredible. *When I took my CFI Ride, I had to demonstrate
>> >> a maximum effort forward slip on final. *Kicked out when I was
>> >> over th
> e
>> >> fence and hit the numbers. *Seems as if your instructor didn't
>> >> know
> the
>> >> difference between a slip and a skid.
>>
>> > A number of aircraft that I've flown do not have flaps and the
>> > sideslip was an everyday common maneuver .
>> > I found the practice was frowned upon in the modern aircraft as
>> > there were claims that the elevators were shielded and all manner
>> > of problems could develop
>>
>> Some early big flap cessnas got a little wobbly, but that's all. The
>> Bird dog gets very funky when slipped with full flaps ~( 60 deg) but
>> mostly it
> 's
>> just another skill falling into decline because it's "too hard"
>>
>> Bertie
>
> I'm a student with 70 hrs and my CFI teaches slips to bleed off
> altitude, especially for engine failure practice. The only restriction
> is not to use full flaps in a 172SP. Apparently it causes too much
> vibration.
>

You're one of the fortunate ones!


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Stefan > wrote in news:752a8$48d89b77$d9a270a8
:

> schrieb:
>
> > The Air Canada pilot was a sailplane pilot, too, familiar with
> > slipping, and had operated sailplanes out of Gimli so he knew the
> > place. If anyone else had been at the controls it might not have
> > turned out so pretty.
>
> An airline pilot who happens to also be a pretty good sailplane pilot
> told me that it would have been much easier and equally efficient to
> just do S turns to adjust the glide path. This would also have avoided
> possible problems driving the air driven generator. The pilot who who
> did a glider landing with anairbus on the Azores in 2001 used that
> technique.
>
>



Bull****.



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

wrote in
:

> On Sep 23, 8:12*am, jeremy > wrote:
>> Stefan wrote:
>> > An airline pilot who happens to also be a pretty good sailplane
>> > pilot told me that it would have been much easier and equally
>> > efficient to just do S turns to adjust the glide path. This would
>> > also have avoided possible problems driving the air driven
>> > generator. The pilot who who did a glider landing with anairbus on
>> > the Azores in 2001 used that technique.
>>
>> Probably the easiest alternative to trying to haul the thing around
>> the s
> ky
>> with degraded controls.
>>
>> JJ
>
> S-turns are OK if you have the room. If you're in too close
> they're useless. I can image the distance needed to S-turn an
> airliner...

Xactly.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

jeremy > wrote in
:

> Stefan wrote:
>
>> An airline pilot who happens to also be a pretty good sailplane pilot
>> told me that it would have been much easier and equally efficient to
>> just do S turns to adjust the glide path. This would also have
>> avoided possible problems driving the air driven generator. The pilot
>> who who did a glider landing with anairbus on the Azores in 2001 used
>> that technique.
>>
>
> Probably the easiest alternative to trying to haul the thing around
> the sky with degraded controls.

the controls aren't degraded at all. Not a lot on the way of spoilers, but
the flight controls work almost exactly the same on the RAT as they do
normally.


Bertie

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Sep 23, 10:16*am, wrote:
> On Sep 23, 8:12*am, jeremy > wrote:
>
> > Stefan wrote:
> > > An airline pilot who happens to also be a pretty good sailplane pilot
> > > told me that it would have been much easier and equally efficient to
> > > just do S turns to adjust the glide path. This would also have avoided
> > > possible problems driving the air driven generator. The pilot who who
> > > did a glider landing with anairbus on the Azores in 2001 used that
> > > technique.
>
> > Probably the easiest alternative to trying to haul the thing around the sky
> > with degraded controls.
>
> > JJ
>
> * * * *S-turns are OK if you have the room. If you're in too close
> they're useless. I can image the distance needed to S-turn an
> airliner...
>
> * * *Dan

Friend of mine, Jack Selby, was chief pilot for the old Capital
Airways out of Smyrna Ga. Watched Jack fishtail a stretch DC8 side to
side on final once scrubbing off altitude. Beautiful landing; great
pilot too!

[Tim[_1_]]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote

Friend of mine, Jack Selby, was chief pilot for the old Capital
Airways out of Smyrna Ga. Watched Jack fishtail a stretch DC8 side to
side on final once scrubbing off altitude. Beautiful landing; great
pilot too!

*******

I bet the passengers all the way in back loved him for that!

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Sep 23, 11:12*am, "Tim" > wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote
>
> Friend of mine, Jack Selby, was chief pilot for the old Capital
> Airways out of Smyrna Ga. Watched Jack fishtail a stretch DC8 side to
> side on final once scrubbing off altitude. Beautiful landing; great
> pilot too!
>
> *******
>
> I bet the passengers all the way in back loved him for that!

No passengers involved; training flight ; landing was at the end of a
line check.

[Gezellig]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:59:34 -0700 (PDT), Gene Seibel wrote:

> Slips were in common use for bringing an aircraft down in the days
> before flaps, and were taught for that purpose when learned to fly in
> the 70's. They work very well. Is that no longer being taught?

A power-out slip to landing? I had to beg for it.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Gezellig > wrote in news:6jsl4oF4u1b1U1
@mid.individual.net:

> On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:59:34 -0700 (PDT), Gene Seibel wrote:
>
>> Slips were in common use for bringing an aircraft down in the days
>> before flaps, and were taught for that purpose when learned to fly in
>> the 70's. They work very well. Is that no longer being taught?
>
> A power-out slip to landing? I had to beg for it.
>

Your instructor was jewish?

Bertie

[Vaughn Simon]

"Stefan" > wrote in message
...
> BTW, some glider pilots use short slips to take up slack from the tow rope,
> should there happen to occur some in turbulence. Most prefer the use of
> airbrakes, though.

I never use the spoilers/airbrakes to take up slack, (though really slippery
sailplanes will sometimes start a tow while holding just a tad of spoiler).
That much control authority is simply not necessary. A glider tow is a very
delicate dance, it takes timing and (usually) tiny control inputs. Usually a
little climb will do the job to take up the slack. If you screwed up and got a
really bad slack rope, you push rudder a bit to yaw, which increases drag a bit
but perhaps more importantly puts your tow hook off center from the CG. Then,
when the inevitable 'snatch" happens, some of the excess energy goes into
pulling the nose around rather than suddenly accelerating the glider and causing
the rope to go slack yet again.

Vaughn

[Gig 601Xl Builder]

John Godwin wrote:
> Gig 601Xl Builder > wrote in
> m:
>
>> Once we were back on the ground and with his boss close by I left
>> him reading about them in the FAA Airplane Flying Handbook they
>> had in the office.
>>
> That's incredible. When I took my CFI Ride, I had to demonstrate a
> maximum effort forward slip on final. Kicked out when I was over the
> fence and hit the numbers. Seems as if your instructor didn't know the
> difference between a slip and a skid.
>

Since this was over 20 years ago I often wonder if this guy is sitting
in the left seat of a 747 somewhere. It kind of scares me.

[george]

On Sep 24, 5:12*am, "Vaughn Simon" >
wrote:

> * *I never use the spoilers/airbrakes to take up slack, (though really slippery
> sailplanes will sometimes start a tow while holding just a tad of spoiler).
> That much control authority is simply not necessary. *A glider tow is a very
> delicate dance, it takes timing and (usually) tiny control inputs. *Usually a
> little climb will do the job to take up the slack. *If you screwed up and got a
> really bad slack rope, you push rudder a bit to yaw, which increases drag a bit
> but perhaps more importantly puts your tow hook off center from the CG. *Then,
> when the inevitable 'snatch" happens, some of the excess energy goes into
> pulling the nose around rather than suddenly accelerating the glider and causing
> the rope to go slack yet again.
>
The bit where you see the towplane 'yoing' into the atmosphere and you
know that you're going to hit that same lift in a second or two with
the towplane now almost above you :-)
Makes life interesting

[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

Vaughn Simon wrote:
> you push rudder a bit to yaw, which increases drag a bit
>but perhaps more importantly puts your tow hook off center from the CG.

unless ya have a CG hook like me.

Which doesn't mean the slip doesn't help even with a CG hook. I use either
method, except the climb method.
I don't like having that much more potential energy to have to relinquish on
the rope.

We all have our little dances on tow.

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[Stefan]

Vaughn Simon schrieb:

> If you screwed up and got a really bad slack rope,

I'm not sure I'd call a slack rope while towing through a rotor a screw
up. As always, it all depends.

[Stealth Pilot[_2_]]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:10:50 GMT, Robert Moore
> wrote:

>Stealth Pilot wrote
>> Sideslips are a very useful tool because they allow you to
>> substantially increase the drag, which makes you descent like a
>> plumbers toolbag, but doesnt change the forward speed. so you have no
>> increased risk of stalling as you wash off the height.
>
>What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control usage
>is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
>and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly on final without
>having the airspeed increase. If one is not landing, I suppose that it
>would just be a "slip".
>
>Airliners normally do not use either because of the increased discomfort
>caused the passengers....both being uncoordinated flight.
>
> Amine > wrote:
>>PS: I have read about many cases of jetliners that had to make
>>emergency descents at abnormally high speeds, but the AC143 seems the
>>only one to have used the sideslip.
>
>AC 143 was constrained by "touchdown speed" runway length. An "emergency
>descent" has no such constraint and therefore is able to use the
>aircraft's maximum certificated speed for the descent...far in excess of
>what would be possible in an approach/landing situation.
>
>In an engine failure situation, keep it as high as possible for as long
>as possible to insure that the field can be reached, and then slip as
>much as required to lose the excess altitude without gaining airspeed.
>
>Bob Moore
>Flight Instructor ASE-IA
>ATP B-707 B-727
>PanAm (retired)

in my country the manouver I describe is always called a side slip.

side slips are used as I indicate to dirty up the aircraft
aerodynamically.
they can be used to counter a crosswind but the crabbed approach is
preferred because it doesnt change the approach profile.

it is a side slip.

youalls mileage may vary :-)

Stealth Pilot

[Stealth Pilot[_2_]]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:37:52 -0400, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea
Hawk @See My Sig.com> wrote:


>
>But a very aggessive side slip tend to be uncomfortable for passengers.

when I was slipping off the 1500ft my brother was the pax. he has had
a lifetime in the airforce so is quite familiar with aeroplanes and
flight.
at about the 500ft mark I glanced over at him and to my surprise his
entire brow and top lip had huge beads of perspiration.
nothing I said could relax him.
it was only during the normal roundout at the end did he finally
relax.

Wittman Tailwinds, with their square cross section fuselages, are
absolutely ace aircraft for slipping.

Stealth Pilot

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

> wrote:

> The only restriction is not to use full flaps in a 172SP.
> Apparently it causes too much vibration.

It is an old argument that stems from a remark in some Cessna POH's way back
when.

Don't sweat it: slip often and be happy. It is one of the most useful
maneuvers in any pilot's bag of tricks. Practice it enough to make it
almost automatic when needed; it will serve you well.


--
Dan
T-182T at 4R4

[Allen[_1_]]

"Stealth Pilot" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:10:50 GMT, Robert Moore
> > wrote:
>
>>Stealth Pilot wrote
>>> Sideslips are a very useful tool because they allow you to
>>> substantially increase the drag, which makes you descent like a
>>> plumbers toolbag, but doesnt change the forward speed. so you have no
>>> increased risk of stalling as you wash off the height.
>>
>>What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control usage
>>is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
>>and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly on final without
>>having the airspeed increase. If one is not landing, I suppose that it
>>would just be a "slip".
>>
>>Airliners normally do not use either because of the increased discomfort
>>caused the passengers....both being uncoordinated flight.
>>
>> Amine > wrote:
>>>PS: I have read about many cases of jetliners that had to make
>>>emergency descents at abnormally high speeds, but the AC143 seems the
>>>only one to have used the sideslip.
>>
>>AC 143 was constrained by "touchdown speed" runway length. An "emergency
>>descent" has no such constraint and therefore is able to use the
>>aircraft's maximum certificated speed for the descent...far in excess of
>>what would be possible in an approach/landing situation.
>>
>>In an engine failure situation, keep it as high as possible for as long
>>as possible to insure that the field can be reached, and then slip as
>>much as required to lose the excess altitude without gaining airspeed.
>>
>>Bob Moore
>>Flight Instructor ASE-IA
>>ATP B-707 B-727
>>PanAm (retired)
>
> in my country the manouver I describe is always called a side slip.
>
> side slips are used as I indicate to dirty up the aircraft
> aerodynamically.
> they can be used to counter a crosswind but the crabbed approach is
> preferred because it doesnt change the approach profile.
>
> it is a side slip.
>
> youalls mileage may vary :-)
>
> Stealth Pilot

The slips are named for their flight path in relation to a point on the
ground. The forward slip, when used in relation to a runway, creates a
direct forward path to the end of the runway. This is accomplished by
lowering a wing and opposite rudder at the same time. The nose of the
aircraft is to the left or right of the runway heading but the flight path
is directly forward toward the runway. The primary use of this slip is to
lose altitude without increasing airspeed and also to allow a view of the
runway if the front windshield is obstructed with ice or oil. The side
slip, when used in relation to a runway, creates a sideways flight path .
This is accomplished by lowering a wing and using rudder to keep the nose of
the aircraft pointed straight down the runway. In a no-wind situation the
aircraft will move sideways left or right of the runway centerline depending
on which wing is lowered. The primary use of this slip is to counteract
side drift in a crosswind landing and allow the aircraft to touchdown
parallel to the runway centerline.

--

*H. Allen Smith*
WACO - We are all here, because we are not all there.

[Ari]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:00:14 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

> Stefan > wrote in
> :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>>
>>> You're full of ****, stefan.
>>
>> Still better than completely hollow like you.
>>
>>> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
>>> aerodynamically identical have different references.
>>
>> Of course they have different references... visual references, that
>> is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look slightly
>> to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for simple
>> minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
>>
>
> Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
>
> Bertie

Bert, first time Little Luke took me up in his Velocity, he failed to
inform me that the rudder system is different from ¡§conventional¡¨
aircraft in both design and performance. In most aircraft the rudder
pedals are interconnected. Pushing down on one rudder pedal causes a
corresponding movement in the opposite (upward) direction of the other.

LL says to me, let's slip this baby home. Taje the center stick."

Uh, like first of all, I'm not LHanded. Then I find the rudder pedals.
lol

I was quick to note that the rudder pedals in the Velocity operate
independent from each other,what I they failed to notice is that much of
the sensory feedback with respect to rudder deployment is ****faced
gone. Push one rudder pedal in the Velocity and the other remains
motionless. Cessna and Piper pilots like me learn to rest both feet on
the rudder pedals to get a ¡§feel¡¨ for the rudder position. Transferring
this habit to the Velocity invites a common mistake ¡V the unintentional
deployment of one (or both!) rudder(s) in flight.

I passed the slip back to Little Puker.

[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

jeremy wrote:
>> We all have our little dances on tow.
>
>My first time up on tow was the only time in my life I experienced any hint of
>motion sickness.
>
>JJ
I still get woozy after about an hour or two even after 15 years. Doc says I
have sensitive canals.
Really limits my x-country efforts.
Very frustrating but I hope one day it will get better.

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[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

Ari > wrote in
:

> On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:00:14 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
>> Stefan > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>>>
>>>> You're full of ****, stefan.
>>>
>>> Still better than completely hollow like you.
>>>
>>>> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
>>>> aerodynamically identical have different references.
>>>
>>> Of course they have different references... visual references, that
>>> is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look slightly
>>> to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for
>>> simple minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Bert, first time Little Luke took me up in his Velocity, he failed to
> inform me that the rudder system is different from ¡§conventional¡¨
> aircraft in both design and performance. In most aircraft the rudder
> pedals are interconnected. Pushing down on one rudder pedal causes a
> corresponding movement in the opposite (upward) direction of the
> other.
>
> LL says to me, let's slip this baby home. Taje the center stick."
>
> Uh, like first of all, I'm not LHanded. Then I find the rudder pedals.
> lol
>
> I was quick to note that the rudder pedals in the Velocity operate
> independent from each other,what I they failed to notice is that much
> of the sensory feedback with respect to rudder deployment is ****faced
> gone. Push one rudder pedal in the Velocity and the other remains
> motionless. Cessna and Piper pilots like me learn to rest both feet on
> the rudder pedals to get a ¡§feel¡¨ for the rudder position.
> Transferring this habit to the Velocity invites a common mistake ¡V
> the unintentional deployment of one (or both!) rudder(s) in flight.
>
> I passed the slip back to Little Puker.
>
Yes, I've heard about this feature in that type of airplane. I'm going
to get a chance to fly a Long Eze pretty soon and I believe it works the
same way. You can use both together as a speed brake, yes?

Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while aerodynamically
| > identical have different references.
|
| This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on forever
| without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's definition
you
| wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions like this, I keep an
old copy
| of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf. I found it interesting that Wolfgang
| apparently found no need to make a distinction; regardless if done for
glidepath
| control or landing in a crosswind, he calls them both "sideslips".
|
| Go figure.
|
| Vaughn
|
|

Does the term forward slip describe a slip? Yes.

Does the term side slip describe a slip? Yes.

Do both requre the same control inputs? Yes.

What next? Will we have pattern turns, cross country turns, sight seeing
turns, high altitude turns etc.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
|
|
| What's it to you, you don't fly and never will.
|
|
| You just proved that with this poast.
|
|
| Bertie

Explain the difference dumb ass, you can't.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Stefan" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| Robert Moore schrieb:
| >|
| >| > What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control
usage
| >| > is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a
crosswind,
| >| > and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
| >|
| >| A slip is a slip is a slip.
| >|
| >| I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art of
| >| making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the conlusion
| >| that it's to look more impressive to the female students.
| >
| > Cuz they have their heads up their asses, just like Bertie Buttlick.
| >
|
|
| Bwawhahw!
|
| You actualy think you're wearing me down or something, don't you?
|
|
|
| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw!
|
|
| Bertie

Did you pass out on the send button again, dumb ass.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| Amine > wrote:
| >| > Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
| >| > between the two is...) were only to be used to handle crosswinds. I
| >| > didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive
| >| > speed, although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective.
| >| > Anyone out there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind
| >| > approaches?
| >|
| >| Glider pilots use them on occasion for rapid descent and they are
| >| expected to demonstrate proficiency in them on the practical exam.
| >
| > How do you maintain alignment with the tow plane?
| >
| >
| What's it to you, you don't fly.
|
|
| Bertie

Prove it dumb ass.

[a[_3_]]

On Sep 24, 12:26*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Ari > wrote :
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:00:14 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
> >> Stefan > wrote in
> :
>
> >>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>
> >>>> You're full of ****, stefan.
>
> >>> Still better than completely hollow like you.
>
> >>>> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
> >>>> aerodynamically identical have different references.
>
> >>> Of course they have different references... visual references, that
> >>> is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look slightly
> >>> to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for
> >>> simple minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
>
> >> Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
>
> >> Bertie
>
> > Bert, first time Little Luke took me up in his Velocity, he failed to
> > inform me that the rudder system is different from conventional
> > aircraft in both design and performance. In most aircraft the rudder
> > pedals are interconnected. Pushing down on one rudder pedal causes a
> > corresponding movement in the opposite (upward) direction of the
> > other.
>
> > LL says to me, let's slip this baby home. Taje the center stick."
>
> > Uh, like first of all, I'm not LHanded. Then I find the rudder pedals.
> > lol
>
> > I was quick to note that the rudder pedals in the Velocity operate
> > independent from each other,what I they failed to notice is that much
> > of the sensory feedback with respect to rudder deployment is ****faced
> > gone. Push one rudder pedal in the Velocity and the other remains
> > motionless. Cessna and Piper pilots like me learn to rest both feet on
> > the rudder pedals to get a feel for the rudder position.
> > Transferring this habit to the Velocity invites a common mistake V
> > the unintentional deployment of one (or both!) rudder(s) in flight.
>
> > I passed the slip back to Little Puker.
>
> Yes, I've heard about this feature in that type of airplane. I'm going
> to get a chance to fly a Long Eze pretty soon and I believe it works the
> same way. You can use both together as a speed brake, yes?
>
> Bertie

Do those fins deploy in only one direction -- ie,outward, or inward --
and are spring loaded to neutral? Is the change in the airplane's axis
pointing direction just caused by the drag increase when one side or
the other is deployed? It looks to me almost like the way the MU
aircraft used spoilers on top of the wings instead of ailerons (I
think).

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

a > wrote in
:

> On Sep 24, 12:26*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Ari > wrote
>> innews:6jv4u2F59v
> :
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:00:14 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>
>> >> Stefan > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> >>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>>
>> >>>> You're full of ****, stefan.
>>
>> >>> Still better than completely hollow like you.
>>
>> >>>> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
>> >>>> aerodynamically identical have different references.
>>
>> >>> Of course they have different references... visual references,
>> >>> that is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look
>> >>> slightly to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is
>> >>> enough for simple minded like you to think they are two different
>> >>> maneuvres.
>>
>> >> Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
>>
>> >> Bertie
>>
>> > Bert, first time Little Luke took me up in his Velocity, he failed
>> > to inform me that the rudder system is different from conventional
>> > aircraft in both design and performance. In most aircraft the
>> > rudder pedals are interconnected. Pushing down on one rudder pedal
>> > causes a corresponding movement in the opposite (upward) direction
>> > of the other.
>>
>> > LL says to me, let's slip this baby home. Taje the center stick."
>>
>> > Uh, like first of all, I'm not LHanded. Then I find the rudder
>> > pedals. lol
>>
>> > I was quick to note that the rudder pedals in the Velocity operate
>> > independent from each other,what I they failed to notice is that
>> > much of the sensory feedback with respect to rudder deployment is
>> > ****faced gone. Push one rudder pedal in the Velocity and the other
>> > remains motionless. Cessna and Piper pilots like me learn to rest
>> > both feet on the rudder pedals to get a feel for the rudder
>> > position. Transferring this habit to the Velocity invites a common
>> > mistake V the unintentional deployment of one (or both!) rudder(s)
>> > in flight.
>>
>> > I passed the slip back to Little Puker.
>>
>> Yes, I've heard about this feature in that type of airplane. I'm
>> going to get a chance to fly a Long Eze pretty soon and I believe it
>> works the same way. You can use both together as a speed brake, yes?
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Do those fins deploy in only one direction -- ie,outward, or inward --
> and are spring loaded to neutral? Is the change in the airplane's axis
> pointing direction just caused by the drag increase when one side or
> the other is deployed? It looks to me almost like the way the MU
> aircraft used spoilers on top of the wings instead of ailerons (I
> think).
>

Well, that's the way i understood it, but I've never flown one..


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
> ...
>|
>| "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| ...
>| >
>| > Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
>| > aerodynamically identical have different references.
>|
>| This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on
>| forever
>| without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
>| definition
> you
>| wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions like this, I keep
>| an
> old copy
>| of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf. I found it interesting that
>| Wolfgang apparently found no need to make a distinction; regardless
>| if done for
> glidepath
>| control or landing in a crosswind, he calls them both "sideslips".
>|
>| Go figure.
>|
>| Vaughn
>|
>|
>
> Does the term forward slip describe a slip? Yes.
>
> Does the term side slip describe a slip? Yes.
>
> Do both requre the same control inputs? Yes.
>
> What next? Will we have pattern turns, cross country turns, sight
> seeing turns, high altitude turns etc.
>


What's this "we" ****, wannabe boi?



Bertie>
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>|
>|
>| What's it to you, you don't fly and never will.
>|
>|
>| You just proved that with this poast.
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>
> Explain the difference dumb ass, you can't.
>
>
>


Yes, I can, but if you really want to know, look it up, wannabe boi.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in
>| :
>|
>| >
>| > "Stefan" > wrote in message
>| > .. .
>| >| Robert Moore schrieb:
>| >|
>| >| > What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control
> usage
>| >| > is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a
> crosswind,
>| >| > and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
>| >|
>| >| A slip is a slip is a slip.
>| >|
>| >| I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art
>| >| of making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the
>| >| conlusion that it's to look more impressive to the female
>| >| students.
>| >
>| > Cuz they have their heads up their asses, just like Bertie
>| > Buttlick.
>| >
>|
>|
>| Bwawhahw!
>|
>| You actualy think you're wearing me down or something, don't you?
>|
>|
>|
>| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw!
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>
> Did you pass out on the send button again, dumb ass.
>
>
>



Nope.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:rb_Bk.17810$wr1.16736
@newsfe02.iad:
>|
>| >
>| > "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
>| > .. .
>| >| Amine > wrote:
>| >| > Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
>| >| > between the two is...) were only to be used to handle
crosswinds. I
>| >| > didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive
>| >| > speed, although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective.
>| >| > Anyone out there used sideslips for anything other than
crosswind
>| >| > approaches?
>| >|
>| >| Glider pilots use them on occasion for rapid descent and they are
>| >| expected to demonstrate proficiency in them on the practical exam.
>| >
>| > How do you maintain alignment with the tow plane?
>| >
>| >
>| What's it to you, you don't fly.
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>
> Prove it dumb ass.
>
>
>

Don't need to.

No more than I need to prove that you are a halfwit or that the sun will
rise in the east tomorrow.



Bertie

[Mike]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
>
>>
>> "Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>|
>>| "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>| ...
>>| >
>>| > Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
>>| > aerodynamically identical have different references.
>>|
>>| This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on
>>| forever
>>| without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
>>| definition
>> you
>>| wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions like this, I keep
>>| an
>> old copy
>>| of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf. I found it interesting that
>>| Wolfgang apparently found no need to make a distinction; regardless
>>| if done for
>> glidepath
>>| control or landing in a crosswind, he calls them both "sideslips".
>>|
>>| Go figure.
>>|
>>| Vaughn
>>|
>>|
>>
>> Does the term forward slip describe a slip? Yes.
>>
>> Does the term side slip describe a slip? Yes.
>>
>> Do both requre the same control inputs? Yes.
>>
>> What next? Will we have pattern turns, cross country turns, sight
>> seeing turns, high altitude turns etc.
>>
>
>
> What's this "we" ****, wannabe boi?

Schizophrenia apparently.

[Mike]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
> ...
> |
> | "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
> aerodynamically
> | > identical have different references.
> |
> | This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on forever
> | without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
> definition
> you
> | wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions like this, I keep an
> old copy
> | of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf. I found it interesting that
> Wolfgang
> | apparently found no need to make a distinction; regardless if done for
> glidepath
> | control or landing in a crosswind, he calls them both "sideslips".
> |
> | Go figure.
> |
> | Vaughn
> |
> |
>
> Does the term forward slip describe a slip? Yes.
>
> Does the term side slip describe a slip? Yes.
>
> Do both requre the same control inputs? Yes.
>
> What next? Will we have pattern turns, cross country turns, sight seeing
> turns, high altitude turns etc.

Taking your moronic Okie logic the other direction, why not simply just call
everything a maneuver, which would cover taxiing, takeoffs, landings, turns,
slips, stalls, lazy eights, ascents, descents, chandelles, spins,
immelmanns, barrel rolls, and dozens of other things.

I'm just curious as to how Okies like you rise to the crème de la dumb
level. Inbreeding and fetal alcohol syndrome only can account for so much.
Are there monuments to stupidity in every town? Do you have museums
dedicated to stupidity that you regularly attend? Are there churches where
stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and civic
organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art form?

[george]

On Sep 25, 3:03*pm, "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote:
>*Are there churches where
> stupidity is preached from the pulpit? *Are there clubs and civic
> organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art form?

Obviously.
And evidence of such subculture is demonstrated in your every post

[Mike]

"george" > wrote in message
...
> On Sep 25, 3:03 pm, "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote:
> > Are there churches where
> > stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and civic
> > organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art form?
>
> Obviously.
> And evidence of such subculture is demonstrated in your every post

Actually, george, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not one to toot my own
horn, but I do need to point out that quite a number of my posts could
definitely be classified as clever by an objective reader, and dare I say
humorous to some degree. So either objectivity and humor are not your
forté, or your desire to come to the defense of rubes is so overwhelming you
would risk being ridiculed for your last senseless post in order to kiss the
arse of the resident RAP village idiot for reasons one can only speculate.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| Stefan > wrote in news:9cc9b$48d7b746$54487392
| :
|
| > Robert Moore schrieb:
| >
| >>> A slip is a slip is a slip.
| >
| >> From The FAA H-8083-3a, Airplane Flying Handbook
| >
| > Ok, so in the USA there exist several different brands of slips.
| >
| > In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip. Which is
| > how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.
|
|
| You're full of ****, stefan.
|
| Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while aerodynamically
| identical have different references.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Bertie
| >
|

But they are still slips, dumb ass.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| Stefan > wrote in
| :
|
| > Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
| >
| >> You're full of ****, stefan.
| >
| > Still better than completely hollow like you.
| >
| >> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| >> aerodynamically identical have different references.
| >
| > Of course they have different references... visual references, that
| > is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look slightly
| > to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for simple
| > minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
| >
|
| Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
|
|
| Bertie

No he's not.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| Stefan > wrote in news:63abb$48d80395$d9a270a8
| :
|
| > Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
| >> Stefan > wrote in
| >> :
| >>
| >>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
| >>>
| >>>> You're full of ****, stefan.
| >>> Still better than completely hollow like you.
| >>>
| >>>> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| >>>> aerodynamically identical have different references.
| >>> Of course they have different references... visual references, that
| >>> is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look slightly
| >>> to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for
| simple
| >>> minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
| >>>
| >>
| >> Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
| >
| > You're halluzinating, as usual.
| >
| > And the follow-up trick is soooooo old and soooo booooring.
| >
|
|
| What folowup trick fjukkwit?
|
|
| A good k00k deserves to be shared.
|
| Shouldn't you be chiseling the gold teeth out of a dead body, BTW?
|
|
| Bertie
|
|

What a useless and unrelated reply.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| Stefan > wrote in
| >| :
| >|
| >| > Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
| >| >
| >| >> You're full of ****, stefan.
| >| >
| >| > Still better than completely hollow like you.
| >| >
| >| >> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| >| >> aerodynamically identical have different references.
| >| >
| >| > Of course they have different references... visual references, that
| >| > is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look slightly
| >| > to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for
simple
| >| > minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
| >| >
| >|
| >| Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| Ari > wrote in
| :
|
| > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:00:14 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
| >
| >> Stefan > wrote in
| >> :
| >>
| >>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
| >>>
| >>>> You're full of ****, stefan.
| >>>
| >>> Still better than completely hollow like you.
| >>>
| >>>> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| >>>> aerodynamically identical have different references.
| >>>
| >>> Of course they have different references... visual references, that
| >>> is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look slightly
| >>> to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for
| >>> simple minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
| >>>
| >>
| >> Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
| >>
| >> Bertie
| >
| > Bert, first time Little Luke took me up in his Velocity, he failed to
| > inform me that the rudder system is different from ¡§conventional¡¨
| > aircraft in both design and performance. In most aircraft the rudder
| > pedals are interconnected. Pushing down on one rudder pedal causes a
| > corresponding movement in the opposite (upward) direction of the
| > other.
| >
| > LL says to me, let's slip this baby home. Taje the center stick."
| >
| > Uh, like first of all, I'm not LHanded. Then I find the rudder pedals.
| > lol
| >
| > I was quick to note that the rudder pedals in the Velocity operate
| > independent from each other,what I they failed to notice is that much
| > of the sensory feedback with respect to rudder deployment is ****faced
| > gone. Push one rudder pedal in the Velocity and the other remains
| > motionless. Cessna and Piper pilots like me learn to rest both feet on
| > the rudder pedals to get a ¡§feel¡¨ for the rudder position.
| > Transferring this habit to the Velocity invites a common mistake ¡V
| > the unintentional deployment of one (or both!) rudder(s) in flight.
| >
| > I passed the slip back to Little Puker.
| >
| Yes, I've heard about this feature in that type of airplane. I'm going
| to get a chance to fly a Long Eze pretty soon and I believe it works the
| same way. You can use both together as a speed brake, yes?
|
| Berti

Let us know when, so we can hide in our bunkers.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
|a > wrote in
| :
|
| > On Sep 24, 12:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >> Ari > wrote
| >> innews:6jv4u2F59v
| > :
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:00:14 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
| >>
| >> >> Stefan > wrote in
| >> :
| >>
| >> >>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
| >>
| >> >>>> You're full of ****, stefan.
| >>
| >> >>> Still better than completely hollow like you.
| >>
| >> >>>> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| >> >>>> aerodynamically identical have different references.
| >>
| >> >>> Of course they have different references... visual references,
| >> >>> that is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look
| >> >>> slightly to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is
| >> >>> enough for simple minded like you to think they are two different
| >> >>> maneuvres.
| >>
| >> >> Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
| >>
| >> >> Bertie
| >>
| >> > Bert, first time Little Luke took me up in his Velocity, he failed
| >> > to inform me that the rudder system is different from conventional
| >> > aircraft in both design and performance. In most aircraft the
| >> > rudder pedals are interconnected. Pushing down on one rudder pedal
| >> > causes a corresponding movement in the opposite (upward) direction
| >> > of the other.
| >>
| >> > LL says to me, let's slip this baby home. Taje the center stick."
| >>
| >> > Uh, like first of all, I'm not LHanded. Then I find the rudder
| >> > pedals. lol
| >>
| >> > I was quick to note that the rudder pedals in the Velocity operate
| >> > independent from each other,what I they failed to notice is that
| >> > much of the sensory feedback with respect to rudder deployment is
| >> > ****faced gone. Push one rudder pedal in the Velocity and the other
| >> > remains motionless. Cessna and Piper pilots like me learn to rest
| >> > both feet on the rudder pedals to get a feel for the rudder
| >> > position. Transferring this habit to the Velocity invites a common
| >> > mistake V the unintentional deployment of one (or both!) rudder(s)
| >> > in flight.
| >>
| >> > I passed the slip back to Little Puker.
| >>
| >> Yes, I've heard about this feature in that type of airplane. I'm
| >> going to get a chance to fly a Long Eze pretty soon and I believe it
| >> works the same way. You can use both together as a speed brake, yes?
| >>
| >> Bertie
| >
| > Do those fins deploy in only one direction -- ie,outward, or inward --
| > and are spring loaded to neutral? Is the change in the airplane's axis
| > pointing direction just caused by the drag increase when one side or
| > the other is deployed? It looks to me almost like the way the MU
| > aircraft used spoilers on top of the wings instead of ailerons (I
| > think).
| >
|
| Well, that's the way i understood it, but I've never flown one..
|
|
| Bertie
|

We could apparently write a book about things you have never ACTUALLY done.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Vaughn Simon" > wrote in
| :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >>
| >> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| >> aerodynamically identical have different references.
| >
| > This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on
| > forever
| > without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
| > definition you wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions like
| > this, I keep an old copy of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf. I found
| > it interesting that Wolfgang apparently found no need to make a
| > distinction; regardless if done for glidepath control or landing in a
| > crosswind, he calls them both "sideslips".
|
| Mmm, cept Stefan the cheese nazi has no intention of discussing anythign.
|
|
| Bertie

Bull****, lamer. You're the one with CDD..

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >|
| >| "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| ...
| >| >
| >| > Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| >| > aerodynamically identical have different references.
| >|
| >| This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on
| >| forever
| >| without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
| >| definition
| > you
| >| wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions like this, I keep
| >| an
| > old copy
| >| of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf. I found it interesting that
| >| Wolfgang apparently found no need to make a distinction; regardless
| >| if done for
| > glidepath
| >| control or landing in a crosswind, he calls them both "sideslips".
| >|
| >| Go figure.
| >|
| >| Vaughn
| >|
| >|
| >
| > Does the term forward slip describe a slip? Yes.
| >
| > Does the term side slip describe a slip? Yes.
| >
| > Do both requre the same control inputs? Yes.
| >
| > What next? Will we have pattern turns, cross country turns, sight
| > seeing turns, high altitude turns etc.
| >
|
|
| What's this "we" ****, wannabe boi?
|
|
|
| Bertie>
| >
|

You and your ignorant sock puppets.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
| > ...
| > |
| > | "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > | ...
| > | >
| > | > Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| > aerodynamically
| > | > identical have different references.
| > |
| > | This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on
forever
| > | without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
| > definition
| > you
| > | wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions like this, I keep
an
| > old copy
| > | of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf. I found it interesting that
| > Wolfgang
| > | apparently found no need to make a distinction; regardless if done for
| > glidepath
| > | control or landing in a crosswind, he calls them both "sideslips".
| > |
| > | Go figure.
| > |
| > | Vaughn
| > |
| > |
| >
| > Does the term forward slip describe a slip? Yes.
| >
| > Does the term side slip describe a slip? Yes.
| >
| > Do both requre the same control inputs? Yes.
| >
| > What next? Will we have pattern turns, cross country turns, sight seeing
| > turns, high altitude turns etc.
|
| Taking your moronic Okie logic the other direction, why not simply just
call
| everything a maneuver, which would cover taxiing, takeoffs, landings,
turns,
| slips, stalls, lazy eights, ascents, descents, chandelles, spins,
| immelmanns, barrel rolls, and dozens of other things.
|
| I'm just curious as to how Okies like you rise to the crème de la dumb
| level. Inbreeding and fetal alcohol syndrome only can account for so
much.
| Are there monuments to stupidity in every town? Do you have museums
| dedicated to stupidity that you regularly attend? Are there churches
where
| stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and civic
| organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art form?
|

Great, another lame story.

Keep taking drugs, I'm sure you are entertaining someone somewhere.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
...
| "george" > wrote in message
| ...
| > On Sep 25, 3:03 pm, "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote:
| > > Are there churches where
| > > stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and civic
| > > organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art form?
| >
| > Obviously.
| > And evidence of such subculture is demonstrated in your every post
|
| Actually, george, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not one to toot my own
| horn, but I do need to point out that quite a number of my posts could
| definitely be classified as clever by an objective reader, and dare I say
| humorous to some degree. So either objectivity and humor are not your
| forté, or your desire to come to the defense of rubes is so overwhelming
you
| would risk being ridiculed for your last senseless post in order to kiss
the
| arse of the resident RAP village idiot for reasons one can only speculate.
|

No, your drugs just make you feel 10 feet tall. If you ever sober up, and
reread some of your own ****, you'll probably change your name.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| Stefan > wrote in news:9cc9b$48d7b746
| $54487392
| >| :
| >|
| >| > Robert Moore schrieb:
| >| >
| >| >>> A slip is a slip is a slip.
| >| >
| >| >> From The FAA H-8083-3a, Airplane Flying Handbook
| >| >
| >| > Ok, so in the USA there exist several different brands of slips.
| >| >
| >| > In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip. Which
| is
| >| > how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.
| >|
| >|
| >| You're full of ****, stefan.
| >|
| >| Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| aerodynamically
| >| identical have different references.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >|
| >
| > You're full of ****. A slip is a slip, and you are a sap.
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
|
| nope, doesn't matter since you don't fly, though.
|
|
| Bertie
|
|

So you wish.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| Stefan > wrote in
| :
|
| > Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe schrieb:
| >
| >>> In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip. Which
| >>> is how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.
| >
| >> Yea, but you have to remember which is which in case it comes up on a
| >> test.
| >
| > Now *this* is a valid argument which I must accept! :-)
| >
|
| You're an idiot.
|
|
| Bertie

Well at best, he could only be an apprentice with you around.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| jeremy > wrote in
| :
|
| > Stefan wrote:
| >
| >> An airline pilot who happens to also be a pretty good sailplane pilot
| >> told me that it would have been much easier and equally efficient to
| >> just do S turns to adjust the glide path. This would also have
| >> avoided possible problems driving the air driven generator. The pilot
| >> who who did a glider landing with anairbus on the Azores in 2001 used
| >> that technique.
| >>
| >
| > Probably the easiest alternative to trying to haul the thing around
| > the sky with degraded controls.
|
| the controls aren't degraded at all. Not a lot on the way of spoilers, but
| the flight controls work almost exactly the same on the RAT as they do
| normally.
|
|
| Bertie

dumb ass

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| Stefan > wrote in news:752a8$48d89b77$d9a270a8
| :
|
| > schrieb:
| >
| > > The Air Canada pilot was a sailplane pilot, too, familiar with
| > > slipping, and had operated sailplanes out of Gimli so he knew the
| > > place. If anyone else had been at the controls it might not have
| > > turned out so pretty.
| >
| > An airline pilot who happens to also be a pretty good sailplane pilot
| > told me that it would have been much easier and equally efficient to
| > just do S turns to adjust the glide path. This would also have avoided
| > possible problems driving the air driven generator. The pilot who who
| > did a glider landing with anairbus on the Azores in 2001 used that
| > technique.
| >
| >
|
|
|
| Bull****.
|
|
|
| Bertie

Like you would know.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| Stefan > wrote in news:1fb3$48d7ad48$54487392$9846
| @news.hispeed.ch:
|
| > Robert Moore schrieb:
| >
| >> What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control usage
| >> is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
| >> and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
| >
| > A slip is a slip is a slip.
|
|
| No it isn't.
|
|
| Bertie

Yes it is.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >|
| >|
| >| What's it to you, you don't fly and never will.
| >|
| >|
| >| You just proved that with this poast.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| > Explain the difference dumb ass, you can't.
| >
| >
| >
|
|
| Yes, I can, but if you really want to know, look it up, wannabe boi.
|
|
| Bertie
|

I didn't think you could.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Stefan" > wrote in message
| > .. .
| >| Robert Moore schrieb:
| >|
| >| > What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control
usage
| >| > is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a
crosswind,
| >| > and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
| >|
| >| A slip is a slip is a slip.
| >|
| >| I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art of
| >| making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the conlusion
| >| that it's to look more impressive to the female students.
| >
| > Cuz they have their heads up their asses, just like Bertie Buttlick.
| >
|
|
| Bwawhahw!
|
| You actualy think you're wearing me down or something, don't you?
|
|
|
| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw!
|
|
| Bertie

Did you fall asleep on the send button again, dumb ass?

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in
| >| :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Stefan" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| Robert Moore schrieb:
| >| >|
| >| >| > What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control
| > usage
| >| >| > is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a
| > crosswind,
| >| >| > and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
| >| >|
| >| >| A slip is a slip is a slip.
| >| >|
| >| >| I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art
| >| >| of making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the
| >| >| conlusion that it's to look more impressive to the female
| >| >| students.
| >| >
| >| > Cuz they have their heads up their asses, just like Bertie
| >| > Buttlick.
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >| Bwawhahw!
| >|
| >| You actualy think you're wearing me down or something, don't you?
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw!
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| > Did you pass out on the send button again, dumb ass.
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|
| Nope.
|
|
| Bertie

Must be just clueless then.

I like the double copy to RAP in the send field. You must really be FUed
tonight.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| Robert Moore > wrote in
| >| 2.60:
| >|
| >| > Stealth Pilot wrote
| >| >> Sideslips are a very useful tool because they allow you to
|
|
|

clueless as usual.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Stealth Pilot" > wrote in message
...
| On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:10:50 GMT, Robert Moore
| > wrote:
|
| >Stealth Pilot wrote
| >> Sideslips are a very useful tool because they allow you to
| >> substantially increase the drag, which makes you descent like a
| >> plumbers toolbag, but doesnt change the forward speed. so you have no
| >> increased risk of stalling as you wash off the height.
| >
| >What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control usage
| >is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
| >and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly on final without
| >having the airspeed increase. If one is not landing, I suppose that it
| >would just be a "slip".
| >
| >Airliners normally do not use either because of the increased discomfort
| >caused the passengers....both being uncoordinated flight.
| >
| > Amine > wrote:
| >>PS: I have read about many cases of jetliners that had to make
| >>emergency descents at abnormally high speeds, but the AC143 seems the
| >>only one to have used the sideslip.
| >
| >AC 143 was constrained by "touchdown speed" runway length. An "emergency
| >descent" has no such constraint and therefore is able to use the
| >aircraft's maximum certificated speed for the descent...far in excess of
| >what would be possible in an approach/landing situation.
| >
| >In an engine failure situation, keep it as high as possible for as long
| >as possible to insure that the field can be reached, and then slip as
| >much as required to lose the excess altitude without gaining airspeed.
| >
| >Bob Moore
| >Flight Instructor ASE-IA
| >ATP B-707 B-727
| >PanAm (retired)
|
| in my country the manouver I describe is always called a side slip.
|
| side slips are used as I indicate to dirty up the aircraft
| aerodynamically.
| they can be used to counter a crosswind but the crabbed approach is
| preferred because it doesnt change the approach profile.
|
| it is a side slip.
|
| youalls mileage may vary :-)
|
| Stealth Pilot

Yeah, but you're a dumb ass.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| george > wrote in news:7f5d8c7e-2345-427c-bec6-
| :
|
| > On Sep 23, 8:17 am, John Godwin > wrote:
| >
| >> That's incredible. When I took my CFI Ride, I had to demonstrate a
| >> maximum effort forward slip on final. Kicked out when I was over the
| >> fence and hit the numbers. Seems as if your instructor didn't know the
| >> difference between a slip and a skid.
| >
| > A number of aircraft that I've flown do not have flaps and the
| > sideslip was an everyday common maneuver .
| > I found the practice was frowned upon in the modern aircraft as there
| > were claims that the elevators were shielded and all manner of
| > problems could develop
| >
| >
|
| Some early big flap cessnas got a little wobbly, but that's all. The Bird
| dog gets very funky when slipped with full flaps ~( 60 deg) but mostly
it's
| just another skill falling into decline because it's "too hard"
|
|
| Bertie

Much like your disposition.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| " > wrote in
| :
|
| > On Sep 22, 5:29 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >> george > wrote in news:7f5d8c7e-2345-427c-bec6-
| >> :
| >>
| >> > On Sep 23, 8:17 am, John Godwin > wrote:
| >>
| >> >> That's incredible. When I took my CFI Ride, I had to demonstrate
| >> >> a maximum effort forward slip on final. Kicked out when I was
| >> >> over th
| > e
| >> >> fence and hit the numbers. Seems as if your instructor didn't
| >> >> know
| > the
| >> >> difference between a slip and a skid.
| >>
| >> > A number of aircraft that I've flown do not have flaps and the
| >> > sideslip was an everyday common maneuver .
| >> > I found the practice was frowned upon in the modern aircraft as
| >> > there were claims that the elevators were shielded and all manner
| >> > of problems could develop
| >>
| >> Some early big flap cessnas got a little wobbly, but that's all. The
| >> Bird dog gets very funky when slipped with full flaps ~( 60 deg) but
| >> mostly it
| > 's
| >> just another skill falling into decline because it's "too hard"
| >>
| >> Bertie
| >
| > I'm a student with 70 hrs and my CFI teaches slips to bleed off
| > altitude, especially for engine failure practice. The only restriction
| > is not to use full flaps in a 172SP. Apparently it causes too much
| > vibration.
| >
|
| You're one of the fortunate ones!
|
|
| Bertie

Your not, you're a dumb ass.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| Alan Gerber > wrote in news:gb9s8n$ngu$1
| @reader1.panix.com:
|
| > wrote:
| >> Sure they are still being taught, though the emphasis these days
| >> is in crosswind landings. I think I only did one or two to lose
| >> altitude while a student, the instructors comment being if you
| >> plan properly you seldom need to do this in an airplane with flaps.
| >
| > Exactly. My instructor's comment was that we were practicing it in case
| > the flaps failed. And because it's in the PTS, of course.
|
| There's value in that, but they're also more useful than flaps in the
event
| of an engine failure. You get better glide control with them and you can
| always use the flaps at the end of the glide..
|
|
| Bertie

In real aviation, that is aircraft dependant.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| Gezellig > wrote in news:6jsl4oF4u1b1U1
| @mid.individual.net:
|
| > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:59:34 -0700 (PDT), Gene Seibel wrote:
| >
| >> Slips were in common use for bringing an aircraft down in the days
| >> before flaps, and were taught for that purpose when learned to fly in
| >> the 70's. They work very well. Is that no longer being taught?
| >
| > A power-out slip to landing? I had to beg for it.
| >
|
| Your instructor was jewish?
|
| Bertie

I thought you were Jewish?

Bertie the Jew!

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| Stefan > wrote in
| :
|
| > Mick schrieb:
| >
| >> | Glider pilots use them on occasion for rapid descent and they are
| >> | expected to demonstrate proficiency in them on the practical exam.
| >
| >> How do you maintain alignment with the tow plane?
| >
| > When *descending*? <:o)
| >
| > BTW, some glider pilots use short slips to take up slack from the tow
| > rope, should there happen to occur some in turbulence. Most prefer the
| > use of airbrakes, though.
| >
|
| No, they don;t fjukkktard.
|
|
| They skid.
|
|
|
| Bertie

You're a dumb ass. I seriously doubt you have ever flown a sailplane.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:rb_Bk.17810$wr1.16736
| @newsfe02.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| Amine > wrote:
| >| >| > Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
| >| >| > between the two is...) were only to be used to handle
| crosswinds. I
| >| >| > didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive
| >| >| > speed, although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective.
| >| >| > Anyone out there used sideslips for anything other than
| crosswind
| >| >| > approaches?
| >| >|
| >| >| Glider pilots use them on occasion for rapid descent and they are
| >| >| expected to demonstrate proficiency in them on the practical exam.
| >| >
| >| > How do you maintain alignment with the tow plane?
| >| >
| >| >
| >| What's it to you, you don't fly.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| > Prove it dumb ass.
| >
| >
| >
|
| Don't need to.
|
| No more than I need to prove that you are a halfwit or that the sun will
| rise in the east tomorrow.
|
|
|
| Bertie

But you are good at proving you are so totally full of ****.

You're a perpetual fountain of bull****.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| Amine > wrote in news:18e46a13-6294-4b68-9775-
| >| :
| >|
| >| > Hey,
| >| >
| >| > Some of you may have heard of Air Canada 143
| [http://www.youtube.com/
| >| > watch?v=dfJIpA2gv1g] which ran out of fuel in mid air and had to
| make
| >| > an emergency descent at velocities way above the normal limits. The
| >| > pilot's makeshift technique was to engage a sideslip to decelerate
| the
| >| > aircraft (which by then had no flaps, and only minimal hydraulics).
| >| >
| >| > Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
| >| > between the two is...) were only to be used to handle crosswinds.
| >|
| >| They're different and they aren't just used for crosswinds.
| >|
| >|
| >| I
| >| > didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive
| speed,
| >| > although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective. Anyone
| out
| >| > there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind approaches?
| >| >
| >| > PS: I have read about many cases of jetliners that had to make
| >| > emergency descents at abnormally high speeds, but the AC143 seems
| the
| >| > only one to have used the sideslip.
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >| it isn't.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| >


You do a good job of being stupid.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "RandyL" <rlink(AT)cableone(DOT)net> wrote in
| >| :
| >|
| >| > Hi Amine,
| >| > I'll sometimes use a sideslip on final when I want to practice an
| >| > approach without using any flaps.
| >|
| >| That's actually a forwad slip.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| > That's a slip.
| >
| >
| >
|
| Like you'd know wannabe boi with a stutter
|
| Bertie

You are answering every post twice again, they must have upped your meds.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
news:bfb42c23-8a15-4706-b1a6-

Many air show pilots use a slip to simply scrub off some altitude or
airspeed entering a show line if the entry is a bit high or fast or
both. I usually employed this in the entry turn which was almost
always a descending turn into the show line. It's quite common to see
pilots of high performance tail wheel airplanes like a Pitts for
example, using a slipping turn onto final approach, then holding in
the slip correcting the turn into a slipping transition to a short
straight slipping final.
I like to think of slips not so much as a maneuver per se, but simply
an application of diliberate crossing of controls to achieve a
specific result from the airplane. In other words, a slip should be
considered as much of the pilot's normal control application as any so
called "coordinated" input of controls.

-----------------------------------------

And of course you would know that, because you are an aviation legend.

[Mike]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
> | Stefan > wrote in news:63abb$48d80395$d9a270a8
> | :
> |
> | > Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
> | >> Stefan > wrote in
> | >> :
> | >>
> | >>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
> | >>>
> | >>>> You're full of ****, stefan.
> | >>> Still better than completely hollow like you.
> | >>>
> | >>>> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
> | >>>> aerodynamically identical have different references.
> | >>> Of course they have different references... visual references, that
> | >>> is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look slightly
> | >>> to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for
> | simple
> | >>> minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
> | >>>
> | >>
> | >> Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
> | >
> | > You're halluzinating, as usual.
> | >
> | > And the follow-up trick is soooooo old and soooo booooring.
> | >
> |
> |
> | What folowup trick fjukkwit?
> |
> |
> | A good k00k deserves to be shared.
> |
> | Shouldn't you be chiseling the gold teeth out of a dead body, BTW?
> |
> |
> | Bertie
> |
> |
>
> What a useless and unrelated reply.

Less so than your own.

[Mike]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "george" > wrote in message
> |
> ...
> | > On Sep 25, 3:03 pm, "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote:
> | > > Are there churches where
> | > > stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and civic
> | > > organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art form?
> | >
> | > Obviously.
> | > And evidence of such subculture is demonstrated in your every post
> |
> | Actually, george, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not one to toot my
> own
> | horn, but I do need to point out that quite a number of my posts could
> | definitely be classified as clever by an objective reader, and dare I
> say
> | humorous to some degree. So either objectivity and humor are not your
> | forté, or your desire to come to the defense of rubes is so overwhelming
> you
> | would risk being ridiculed for your last senseless post in order to kiss
> the
> | arse of the resident RAP village idiot for reasons one can only
> speculate.
> |
>
> No, your drugs just make you feel 10 feet tall. If you ever sober up, and
> reread some of your own ****, you'll probably change your name.

http://www.historicaircraft.org/Navy-Aircraft/images/Beechcraft-GB1.jpg

[Mike]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
> | "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
> |
> | >
> | > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> | > ...
> | >| "RandyL" <rlink(AT)cableone(DOT)net> wrote in
> | >| :
> | >|
> | >| > Hi Amine,
> | >| > I'll sometimes use a sideslip on final when I want to practice an
> | >| > approach without using any flaps.
> | >|
> | >| That's actually a forwad slip.
> | >|
> | >|
> | >|
> | >|
> | >| Bertie
> | >
> | > That's a slip.
> | >
> | >
> | >
> |
> | Like you'd know wannabe boi with a stutter
> |
> | Bertie
>
> You are answering every post twice again, they must have upped your meds.

Since you reuse them so often, you should just label your posts.

For instance, you could call that one, Maxie's moronic retort #12. That way
you could just post the number and it wouldn't take you half an hour to
respond to each and every one of Bertie's posts in each thread.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > | "george" > wrote in message
| > |
| >
...
| > | > On Sep 25, 3:03 pm, "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote:
| > | > > Are there churches where
| > | > > stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and civic
| > | > > organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art form?
| > | >
| > | > Obviously.
| > | > And evidence of such subculture is demonstrated in your every post
| > |
| > | Actually, george, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not one to toot my
| > own
| > | horn, but I do need to point out that quite a number of my posts could
| > | definitely be classified as clever by an objective reader, and dare I
| > say
| > | humorous to some degree. So either objectivity and humor are not your
| > | forté, or your desire to come to the defense of rubes is so
overwhelming
| > you
| > | would risk being ridiculed for your last senseless post in order to
kiss
| > the
| > | arse of the resident RAP village idiot for reasons one can only
| > speculate.
| > |
| >
| > No, your drugs just make you feel 10 feet tall. If you ever sober up,
and
| > reread some of your own ****, you'll probably change your name.
|
| http://www.historicaircraft.org/Navy-Aircraft/images/Beechcraft-GB1.jpg
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
...
|
| Since you reuse them so often, you should just label your posts.
|
| For instance, you could call that one, Maxie's moronic retort #12. That
way
| you could just post the number and it wouldn't take you half an hour to
| respond to each and every one of Bertie's posts in each thread.
|

What's the matter wanna boi, am I picking on your hero?

[Mike]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > | "george" > wrote in message
> | > |
> | >
> ...
> | > | > On Sep 25, 3:03 pm, "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote:
> | > | > > Are there churches where
> | > | > > stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and civic
> | > | > > organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art form?
> | > | >
> | > | > Obviously.
> | > | > And evidence of such subculture is demonstrated in your every post
> | > |
> | > | Actually, george, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not one to toot
> my
> | > own
> | > | horn, but I do need to point out that quite a number of my posts
> could
> | > | definitely be classified as clever by an objective reader, and dare
> I
> | > say
> | > | humorous to some degree. So either objectivity and humor are not
> your
> | > | forté, or your desire to come to the defense of rubes is so
> overwhelming
> | > you
> | > | would risk being ridiculed for your last senseless post in order to
> kiss
> | > the
> | > | arse of the resident RAP village idiot for reasons one can only
> | > speculate.
> | > |
> | >
> | > No, your drugs just make you feel 10 feet tall. If you ever sober up,
> and
> | > reread some of your own ****, you'll probably change your name.
> |
> | http://www.historicaircraft.org/Navy-Aircraft/images/Beechcraft-GB1.jpg
> |

http://www.historicaircraft.org/Army-Air-Corps/images/Cierva-C30A.jpg

[Mike]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
> ...
> |
> | Since you reuse them so often, you should just label your posts.
> |
> | For instance, you could call that one, Maxie's moronic retort #12. That
> way
> | you could just post the number and it wouldn't take you half an hour to
> | respond to each and every one of Bertie's posts in each thread.
> |
>
> What's the matter wanna boi, am I picking on your hero?

I'm not sure how a ****-ant like you could actually pick on anyone, Okie.
I'm just using you as a punching bag, as usual.

[Mick[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > | "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| > | ...
| > | >
| > | > "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > | > ...
| > | > | "george" > wrote in message
| > | > |
| > | >
| >
...
| > | > | > On Sep 25, 3:03 pm, "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote:
| > | > | > > Are there churches where
| > | > | > > stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and
civic
| > | > | > > organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art form?
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Obviously.
| > | > | > And evidence of such subculture is demonstrated in your every
post
| > | > |
| > | > | Actually, george, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not one to toot
| > my
| > | > own
| > | > | horn, but I do need to point out that quite a number of my posts
| > could
| > | > | definitely be classified as clever by an objective reader, and
dare
| > I
| > | > say
| > | > | humorous to some degree. So either objectivity and humor are not
| > your
| > | > | forté, or your desire to come to the defense of rubes is so
| > overwhelming
| > | > you
| > | > | would risk being ridiculed for your last senseless post in order
to
| > kiss
| > | > the
| > | > | arse of the resident RAP village idiot for reasons one can only
| > | > speculate.
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | > No, your drugs just make you feel 10 feet tall. If you ever sober
up,
| > and
| > | > reread some of your own ****, you'll probably change your name.
| > |
| > |
http://www.historicaircraft.org/Navy-Aircraft/images/Beechcraft-GB1.jpg
| > |
|
| http://www.historicaircraft.org/Army-Air-Corps/images/Cierva-C30A.jpg
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > |
| > | Since you reuse them so often, you should just label your posts.
| > |
| > | For instance, you could call that one, Maxie's moronic retort #12.
That
| > way
| > | you could just post the number and it wouldn't take you half an hour
to
| > | respond to each and every one of Bertie's posts in each thread.
| > |
| >
| > What's the matter wanna boi, am I picking on your hero?
|
| I'm not sure how a ****-ant like you could actually pick on anyone, Okie.
| I'm just using you as a punching bag, as usual.
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > |
| > | Since you reuse them so often, you should just label your posts.
| > |
| > | For instance, you could call that one, Maxie's moronic retort #12.
That
| > way
| > | you could just post the number and it wouldn't take you half an hour
to
| > | respond to each and every one of Bertie's posts in each thread.
| > |
| >
| > What's the matter wanna boi, am I picking on your hero?
|
| I'm not sure how a ****-ant like you could actually pick on anyone, Okie.
| I'm just using you as a punching bag, as usual.
|

Sure you are, wanna be.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>

>
> And of course you would know that, because you are an aviation legend.
>
>


Thenkkew.



Bertie
>
>
>

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in
| >| :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| Stefan > wrote in
| >| >| :
| >| >|
| >| >| > Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
| >| >| >
| >| >| >> You're full of ****, stefan.
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Still better than completely hollow like you.
| >| >| >
| >| >| >> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| >| >| >> aerodynamically identical have different references.
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Of course they have different references... visual references,
| >| >| > that is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look
| >| >| > slightly to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is
| >| >| > enough for
| > simple
| >| >| > minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
|
| >
| > And of course you would know that, because you are an aviation legend.
| >
| >
|
|
| Thenkkew.
|
|
|
| Bertie
| >
| >
| >
|

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| Stefan > wrote in news:9cc9b$48d7b746
$54487392
>| :
>|
>| > Robert Moore schrieb:
>| >
>| >>> A slip is a slip is a slip.
>| >
>| >> From The FAA H-8083-3a, Airplane Flying Handbook
>| >
>| > Ok, so in the USA there exist several different brands of slips.
>| >
>| > In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip. Which
is
>| > how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.
>|
>|
>| You're full of ****, stefan.
>|
>| Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
aerodynamically
>| identical have different references.
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>| >
>|
>
> But they are still slips, dumb ass.
>
>
>

Oww!

What an astute observation.


And you're stil a fjukktard.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:xEACk.10086$tp1.4322
@newsfe06.iad:
>|
>| >
>| > "Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
>| > ...
>| >|
>| >| "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| >| ...
>| >| >
>| >| > Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
>| >| > aerodynamically identical have different references.
>| >|
>| >| This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on
>| >| forever
>| >| without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
>| >| definition
>| > you
>| >| wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions like this, I
keep
>| >| an
>| > old copy
>| >| of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf. I found it interesting that
>| >| Wolfgang apparently found no need to make a distinction;
regardless
>| >| if done for
>| > glidepath
>| >| control or landing in a crosswind, he calls them both "sideslips".
>| >|
>| >| Go figure.
>| >|
>| >| Vaughn
>| >|
>| >|
>| >
>| > Does the term forward slip describe a slip? Yes.
>| >
>| > Does the term side slip describe a slip? Yes.
>| >
>| > Do both requre the same control inputs? Yes.
>| >
>| > What next? Will we have pattern turns, cross country turns, sight
>| > seeing turns, high altitude turns etc.
>| >
>|
>|
>| What's this "we" ****, wannabe boi?
>|
>|
>|
>| Bertie>
>| >
>|
>
> You and your ignorant sock puppets.


Yeh, sure fjuukwit.

you can't even follow up your own lames

bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| Stefan > wrote in
>| :
>|
>| > Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>| >
>| >> You're full of ****, stefan.
>| >
>| > Still better than completely hollow like you.
>| >
>| >> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
>| >> aerodynamically identical have different references.
>| >
>| > Of course they have different references... visual references, that
>| > is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look slightly
>| > to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for simple
>| > minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
>| >
>|
>| Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>
> No he's not.
>
>
>
>

Thank you.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| Stefan > wrote in news:63abb$48d80395
$d9a270a8
>| :
>|
>| > Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>| >> Stefan > wrote in
>| >> :
>| >>
>| >>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>| >>>
>| >>>> You're full of ****, stefan.
>| >>> Still better than completely hollow like you.
>| >>>
>| >>>> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
>| >>>> aerodynamically identical have different references.
>| >>> Of course they have different references... visual references,
that
>| >>> is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look
slightly
>| >>> to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for
>| simple
>| >>> minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
>| >>>
>| >>
>| >> Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
>| >
>| > You're halluzinating, as usual.
>| >
>| > And the follow-up trick is soooooo old and soooo booooring.
>| >
>|
>|
>| What folowup trick fjukkwit?
>|
>|
>| A good k00k deserves to be shared.
>|
>| Shouldn't you be chiseling the gold teeth out of a dead body, BTW?
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>|
>|
>
> What a useless and unrelated reply.
>
>
>

Bwawahwh!

Nope.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| Ari > wrote in
>| :
>|
>| > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:00:14 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>| >
>| >> Stefan > wrote in
>| >> :
>| >>
>| >>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>| >>>
>| >>>> You're full of ****, stefan.
>| >>>
>| >>> Still better than completely hollow like you.
>| >>>
>| >>>> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
>| >>>> aerodynamically identical have different references.
>| >>>
>| >>> Of course they have different references... visual references,
that
>| >>> is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look
slightly
>| >>> to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for
>| >>> simple minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
>| >>>
>| >>
>| >> Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
>| >>
>| >> Bertie
>| >
>| > Bert, first time Little Luke took me up in his Velocity, he failed
to
>| > inform me that the rudder system is different from ¡§conventional¡¨
>| > aircraft in both design and performance. In most aircraft the
rudder
>| > pedals are interconnected. Pushing down on one rudder pedal causes
a
>| > corresponding movement in the opposite (upward) direction of the
>| > other.
>| >
>| > LL says to me, let's slip this baby home. Taje the center stick."
>| >
>| > Uh, like first of all, I'm not LHanded. Then I find the rudder
pedals.
>| > lol
>| >
>| > I was quick to note that the rudder pedals in the Velocity operate
>| > independent from each other,what I they failed to notice is that
much
>| > of the sensory feedback with respect to rudder deployment is
****faced
>| > gone. Push one rudder pedal in the Velocity and the other remains
>| > motionless. Cessna and Piper pilots like me learn to rest both feet
on
>| > the rudder pedals to get a ¡§feel¡¨ for the rudder position.
>| > Transferring this habit to the Velocity invites a common mistake ¡V
>| > the unintentional deployment of one (or both!) rudder(s) in flight.
>| >
>| > I passed the slip back to Little Puker.
>| >
>| Yes, I've heard about this feature in that type of airplane. I'm
going
>| to get a chance to fly a Long Eze pretty soon and I believe it works
the
>| same way. You can use both together as a speed brake, yes?
>|
>| Berti
>
> Let us know when, so we can hide in our bunkers.
>
>

Best get hiding, fjukkktard


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>|a > wrote in
>| news:0adc0f44-ea01-4a7a-ac08-9781be5aeb54
@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
>| :
>|
>| > On Sep 24, 12:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>| >> Ari > wrote
>| >> innews:6jv4u2F59v
>| > :
>| >>
>| >>
>| >>
>| >> > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:00:14 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
>| >> > wrote:
>| >>
>| >> >> Stefan > wrote in
>| >> :
>| >>
>| >> >>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
>| >>
>| >> >>>> You're full of ****, stefan.
>| >>
>| >> >>> Still better than completely hollow like you.
>| >>
>| >> >>>> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
>| >> >>>> aerodynamically identical have different references.
>| >>
>| >> >>> Of course they have different references... visual references,
>| >> >>> that is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you
>| >> >>> look slightly to one side. I'm fully aware that this
>| >> >>> difference is enough for simple minded like you to think they
>| >> >>> are two different maneuvres.
>| >>
>| >> >> Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
>| >>
>| >> >> Bertie
>| >>
>| >> > Bert, first time Little Luke took me up in his Velocity, he
>| >> > failed to inform me that the rudder system is different from
>| >> > conventional aircraft in both design and performance. In most
>| >> > aircraft the rudder pedals are interconnected. Pushing down on
>| >> > one rudder pedal causes a corresponding movement in the opposite
>| >> > (upward) direction of the other.
>| >>
>| >> > LL says to me, let's slip this baby home. Taje the center
>| >> > stick."
>| >>
>| >> > Uh, like first of all, I'm not LHanded. Then I find the rudder
>| >> > pedals. lol
>| >>
>| >> > I was quick to note that the rudder pedals in the Velocity
>| >> > operate independent from each other,what I they failed to notice
>| >> > is that much of the sensory feedback with respect to rudder
>| >> > deployment is ****faced gone. Push one rudder pedal in the
>| >> > Velocity and the other remains motionless. Cessna and Piper
>| >> > pilots like me learn to rest both feet on the rudder pedals to
>| >> > get a feel for the rudder position. Transferring this habit to
>| >> > the Velocity invites a common mistake V the unintentional
>| >> > deployment of one (or both!) rudder(s) in flight.
>| >>
>| >> > I passed the slip back to Little Puker.
>| >>
>| >> Yes, I've heard about this feature in that type of airplane. I'm
>| >> going to get a chance to fly a Long Eze pretty soon and I believe
>| >> it works the same way. You can use both together as a speed brake,
>| >> yes?
>| >>
>| >> Bertie
>| >
>| > Do those fins deploy in only one direction -- ie,outward, or inward
>| > -- and are spring loaded to neutral? Is the change in the
>| > airplane's axis pointing direction just caused by the drag increase
>| > when one side or the other is deployed? It looks to me almost like
>| > the way the MU aircraft used spoilers on top of the wings instead
>| > of ailerons (I think).
>| >
>|
>| Well, that's the way i understood it, but I've never flown one..
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>|
>
> We could apparently write a book about things you have never ACTUALLY
> done.
>
>
>

Yep, you could, lamerboi.


Who's that "we" again, BTW?



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| "Vaughn Simon" > wrote in
>| :
>|
>| >
>| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| > ...
>| >>
>| >> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
>| >> aerodynamically identical have different references.
>| >
>| > This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on
>| > forever
>| > without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
>| > definition you wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions
>| > like this, I keep an old copy of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf.
>| > I found it interesting that Wolfgang apparently found no need to
>| > make a distinction; regardless if done for glidepath control or
>| > landing in a crosswind, he calls them both "sideslips".
>|
>| Mmm, cept Stefan the cheese nazi has no intention of discussing
>| anythign.
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>
> Bull****, lamer. You're the one with CDD..
>
>

Uh, yeh. OK lamerboi.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
> ...
>| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
>| ...
>| >
>| > "Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
>| > ...
>| > |
>| > | "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| > | ...
>| > | >
>| > | > Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
>| > aerodynamically
>| > | > identical have different references.
>| > |
>| > | This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on
> forever
>| > | without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
>| > definition
>| > you
>| > | wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions like this, I
>| > | keep
> an
>| > old copy
>| > | of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf. I found it interesting that
>| > Wolfgang
>| > | apparently found no need to make a distinction; regardless if
>| > | done for
>| > glidepath
>| > | control or landing in a crosswind, he calls them both
>| > | "sideslips".
>| > |
>| > | Go figure.
>| > |
>| > | Vaughn
>| > |
>| > |
>| >
>| > Does the term forward slip describe a slip? Yes.
>| >
>| > Does the term side slip describe a slip? Yes.
>| >
>| > Do both requre the same control inputs? Yes.
>| >
>| > What next? Will we have pattern turns, cross country turns, sight
>| > seeing turns, high altitude turns etc.
>|
>| Taking your moronic Okie logic the other direction, why not simply
>| just
> call
>| everything a maneuver, which would cover taxiing, takeoffs, landings,
> turns,
>| slips, stalls, lazy eights, ascents, descents, chandelles, spins,
>| immelmanns, barrel rolls, and dozens of other things.
>|
>| I'm just curious as to how Okies like you rise to the crème de la
>| dumb level. Inbreeding and fetal alcohol syndrome only can account
>| for so
> much.
>| Are there monuments to stupidity in every town? Do you have museums
>| dedicated to stupidity that you regularly attend? Are there churches
> where
>| stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and civic
>| organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art form?
>|
>
> Great, another lame story.
>
> Keep taking drugs, I'm sure you are entertaining someone somewhere.
>
>
>

Moi?

Not at all. You're the source of entertainment, k00kieboi. I merely keep
you on the boil.



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
> ...
>| "george" > wrote in message
>| news:31d3b022-0e9a-4850-ba28-bd1501de4cd6
@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com
>| ...
>| > On Sep 25, 3:03 pm, "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote:
>| > > Are there churches where
>| > > stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and civic
>| > > organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art form?
>| >
>| > Obviously.
>| > And evidence of such subculture is demonstrated in your every post
>|
>| Actually, george, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not one to toot my
>| own horn, but I do need to point out that quite a number of my posts
>| could definitely be classified as clever by an objective reader, and
>| dare I say humorous to some degree. So either objectivity and humor
>| are not your forté, or your desire to come to the defense of rubes is
>| so overwhelming
> you
>| would risk being ridiculed for your last senseless post in order to
>| kiss
> the
>| arse of the resident RAP village idiot for reasons one can only
>| speculate.
>|
>
> No, your drugs just make you feel 10 feet tall. If you ever sober up,
> and reread some of your own ****, you'll probably change your name.
>
>
>

Wheras nobody, including you, can make sense of your drivel.



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:Bc_Bk.17815$wr1.13986
@newsfe02.iad:
>|
>| >
>| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| > ...
>| >| Stefan > wrote in news:9cc9b$48d7b746
>| $54487392
>| >| :
>| >|
>| >| > Robert Moore schrieb:
>| >| >
>| >| >>> A slip is a slip is a slip.
>| >| >
>| >| >> From The FAA H-8083-3a, Airplane Flying Handbook
>| >| >
>| >| > Ok, so in the USA there exist several different brands of slips.
>| >| >
>| >| > In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip.
Which
>| is
>| >| > how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.
>| >|
>| >|
>| >| You're full of ****, stefan.
>| >|
>| >| Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
>| aerodynamically
>| >| identical have different references.
>| >|
>| >|
>| >|
>| >|
>| >|
>| >|
>| >| Bertie
>| >| >
>| >|
>| >
>| > You're full of ****. A slip is a slip, and you are a sap.
>| >
>| >
>| >
>| >
>| >
>|
>| nope, doesn't matter since you don't fly, though.
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>|
>|
>
> So you wish.
>


No, it's pretty much self evident.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| Stefan > wrote in
>| :
>|
>| > Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe schrieb:
>| >
>| >>> In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip. Which
>| >>> is how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.
>| >
>| >> Yea, but you have to remember which is which in case it comes up on a
>| >> test.
>| >
>| > Now *this* is a valid argument which I must accept! :-)
>| >
>|
>| You're an idiot.
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>
> Well at best, he could only be an apprentice with you around.
>


Nah.


Bertie
>
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| jeremy > wrote in
>| :
>|
>| > Stefan wrote:
>| >
>| >> An airline pilot who happens to also be a pretty good sailplane
>| >> pilot told me that it would have been much easier and equally
>| >> efficient to just do S turns to adjust the glide path. This would
>| >> also have avoided possible problems driving the air driven
>| >> generator. The pilot who who did a glider landing with anairbus on
>| >> the Azores in 2001 used that technique.
>| >>
>| >
>| > Probably the easiest alternative to trying to haul the thing around
>| > the sky with degraded controls.
>|
>| the controls aren't degraded at all. Not a lot on the way of
>| spoilers, but the flight controls work almost exactly the same on the
>| RAT as they do normally.
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>
> dumb ass
>
>
>

Awwwwwww,


You're just a big meeeeennnneeeeee!




Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| Stefan > wrote in news:752a8$48d89b77
$d9a270a8
>| :
>|
>| > schrieb:
>| >
>| > > The Air Canada pilot was a sailplane pilot, too, familiar
with
>| > > slipping, and had operated sailplanes out of Gimli so he knew the
>| > > place. If anyone else had been at the controls it might not have
>| > > turned out so pretty.
>| >
>| > An airline pilot who happens to also be a pretty good sailplane
pilot
>| > told me that it would have been much easier and equally efficient
to
>| > just do S turns to adjust the glide path. This would also have
avoided
>| > possible problems driving the air driven generator. The pilot who
who
>| > did a glider landing with anairbus on the Azores in 2001 used that
>| > technique.
>| >
>| >
>|
>|
>|
>| Bull****.
>|
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>
> Like you would know.
>
>
>

Snort! There are sevral here who know me and have flown with me.



My guess is they're laughing their asses off at you now.

But hey, n with the maxine show.







Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| Stefan > wrote in
>| news:1fb3$48d7ad48$54487392$9846 @news.hispeed.ch:
>|
>| > Robert Moore schrieb:
>| >
>| >> What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control
>| >> usage is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a
>| >> crosswind, and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
>| >
>| > A slip is a slip is a slip.
>|
>|
>| No it isn't.
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>
> Yes it is.
>
>
>

No it isn't.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:xEACk.10087$tp1.5942
@newsfe06.iad:
>|
>| >
>| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| > ...
>| >|
>| >|
>| >| What's it to you, you don't fly and never will.
>| >|
>| >|
>| >| You just proved that with this poast.
>| >|
>| >|
>| >| Bertie
>| >
>| > Explain the difference dumb ass, you can't.
>| >
>| >
>| >
>|
>|
>| Yes, I can, but if you really want to know, look it up, wannabe boi.
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>|
>
> I didn't think you could.
>
>
>

I know you didn't.



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in
>| :
>|
>| >
>| > "Stefan" > wrote in message
>| > .. .
>| >| Robert Moore schrieb:
>| >|
>| >| > What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control
> usage
>| >| > is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a
> crosswind,
>| >| > and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
>| >|
>| >| A slip is a slip is a slip.
>| >|
>| >| I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art
>| >| of making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the
>| >| conlusion that it's to look more impressive to the female
>| >| students.
>| >
>| > Cuz they have their heads up their asses, just like Bertie
>| > Buttlick.
>| >
>|
>|
>| Bwawhahw!
>|
>| You actualy think you're wearing me down or something, don't you?
>|
>|
>|
>| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw!
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>
> Did you fall asleep on the send button again, dumb ass?
>
>
>

Nope.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Stealth Pilot" > wrote in message
> ...
>| On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:10:50 GMT, Robert Moore
>| > wrote:
>|
>| >Stealth Pilot wrote
>| >> Sideslips are a very useful tool because they allow you to
>| >> substantially increase the drag, which makes you descent like a
>| >> plumbers toolbag, but doesnt change the forward speed. so you have
>| >> no increased risk of stalling as you wash off the height.
>| >
>| >What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control
>| >usage is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a
>| >crosswind, and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly on
>| >final without having the airspeed increase. If one is not landing, I
>| >suppose that it would just be a "slip".
>| >
>| >Airliners normally do not use either because of the increased
>| >discomfort caused the passengers....both being uncoordinated flight.
>| >
>| > Amine > wrote:
>| >>PS: I have read about many cases of jetliners that had to make
>| >>emergency descents at abnormally high speeds, but the AC143 seems
>| >>the only one to have used the sideslip.
>| >
>| >AC 143 was constrained by "touchdown speed" runway length. An
>| >"emergency descent" has no such constraint and therefore is able to
>| >use the aircraft's maximum certificated speed for the descent...far
>| >in excess of what would be possible in an approach/landing
>| >situation.
>| >
>| >In an engine failure situation, keep it as high as possible for as
>| >long as possible to insure that the field can be reached, and then
>| >slip as much as required to lose the excess altitude without gaining
>| >airspeed.
>| >
>| >Bob Moore
>| >Flight Instructor ASE-IA
>| >ATP B-707 B-727
>| >PanAm (retired)
>|
>| in my country the manouver I describe is always called a side slip.
>|
>| side slips are used as I indicate to dirty up the aircraft
>| aerodynamically.
>| they can be used to counter a crosswind but the crabbed approach is
>| preferred because it doesnt change the approach profile.
>|
>| it is a side slip.
>|
>| youalls mileage may vary :-)
>|
>| Stealth Pilot
>
> Yeah, but you're a dumb ass.
>
>
>

Nope


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
>|
>| >
>| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| > ...
>| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in
>| >| :
>| >|
>| >| >
>| >| > "Stefan" > wrote in message
>| >| > .. .
>| >| >| Robert Moore schrieb:
>| >| >|
>| >| >| > What you have described is the "forward slip". Although
control
>| > usage
>| >| >| > is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a
>| > crosswind,
>| >| >| > and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
>| >| >|
>| >| >| A slip is a slip is a slip.
>| >| >|
>| >| >| I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the
art
>| >| >| of making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the
>| >| >| conlusion that it's to look more impressive to the female
>| >| >| students.
>| >| >
>| >| > Cuz they have their heads up their asses, just like Bertie
>| >| > Buttlick.
>| >| >
>| >|
>| >|
>| >| Bwawhahw!
>| >|
>| >| You actualy think you're wearing me down or something, don't you?
>| >|
>| >|
>| >|
>| >| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw!
>| >|
>| >|
>| >| Bertie
>| >
>| > Did you pass out on the send button again, dumb ass.
>| >
>| >
>| >
>|
>|
>|
>| Nope.
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>
> Must be just clueless then.
>
> I like the double copy to RAP in the send field. You must really be
FUed
> tonight.
>
>
>


Nope.



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| george > wrote in news:7f5d8c7e-2345-427c-bec6-
>| :
>|
>| > On Sep 23, 8:17 am, John Godwin > wrote:
>| >
>| >> That's incredible. When I took my CFI Ride, I had to demonstrate
>| >> a maximum effort forward slip on final. Kicked out when I was
>| >> over the fence and hit the numbers. Seems as if your instructor
>| >> didn't know the difference between a slip and a skid.
>| >
>| > A number of aircraft that I've flown do not have flaps and the
>| > sideslip was an everyday common maneuver .
>| > I found the practice was frowned upon in the modern aircraft as
>| > there were claims that the elevators were shielded and all manner
>| > of problems could develop
>| >
>| >
>|
>| Some early big flap cessnas got a little wobbly, but that's all. The
>| Bird dog gets very funky when slipped with full flaps ~( 60 deg) but
>| mostly
> it's
>| just another skill falling into decline because it's "too hard"
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>
> Much like your disposition.
>
>
>

Yeh, good onle lamer boi.

Do you even feel it when you shoot yoursefl in the foot like that?


My guess is "no"



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| " > wrote in
>| news:b3eea8bf-b00c-472f-8625-20b11f512098
@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>|
>| > On Sep 22, 5:29 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>| >> george > wrote in news:7f5d8c7e-2345-427c-bec6-
>| >> :
>| >>
>| >> > On Sep 23, 8:17 am, John Godwin > wrote:
>| >>
>| >> >> That's incredible. When I took my CFI Ride, I had to
demonstrate
>| >> >> a maximum effort forward slip on final. Kicked out when I was
>| >> >> over th
>| > e
>| >> >> fence and hit the numbers. Seems as if your instructor didn't
>| >> >> know
>| > the
>| >> >> difference between a slip and a skid.
>| >>
>| >> > A number of aircraft that I've flown do not have flaps and the
>| >> > sideslip was an everyday common maneuver .
>| >> > I found the practice was frowned upon in the modern aircraft as
>| >> > there were claims that the elevators were shielded and all
manner
>| >> > of problems could develop
>| >>
>| >> Some early big flap cessnas got a little wobbly, but that's all.
The
>| >> Bird dog gets very funky when slipped with full flaps ~( 60 deg)
but
>| >> mostly it
>| > 's
>| >> just another skill falling into decline because it's "too hard"
>| >>
>| >> Bertie
>| >
>| > I'm a student with 70 hrs and my CFI teaches slips to bleed off
>| > altitude, especially for engine failure practice. The only
restriction
>| > is not to use full flaps in a 172SP. Apparently it causes too much
>| > vibration.
>| >
>|
>| You're one of the fortunate ones!
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>
> Your not, you're a dumb ass.
>
>
>


Yeh, OK, lamer boi



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| Gezellig > wrote in news:6jsl4oF4u1b1U1
>| @mid.individual.net:
>|
>| > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:59:34 -0700 (PDT), Gene Seibel wrote:
>| >
>| >> Slips were in common use for bringing an aircraft down in the days
>| >> before flaps, and were taught for that purpose when learned to fly
in
>| >> the 70's. They work very well. Is that no longer being taught?
>| >
>| > A power-out slip to landing? I had to beg for it.
>| >
>|
>| Your instructor was jewish?
>|
>| Bertie
>
> I thought you were Jewish?
>
> Bertie the Jew!
>
>
>



Ooow!


A racist fjukkkktard!




Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| Stefan > wrote in
>| :
>|
>| > Mick schrieb:
>| >
>| >> | Glider pilots use them on occasion for rapid descent and they are
>| >> | expected to demonstrate proficiency in them on the practical exam.
>| >
>| >> How do you maintain alignment with the tow plane?
>| >
>| > When *descending*? <:o)
>| >
>| > BTW, some glider pilots use short slips to take up slack from the tow
>| > rope, should there happen to occur some in turbulence. Most prefer the
>| > use of airbrakes, though.
>| >
>|
>| No, they don;t fjukkktard.
>|
>|
>| They skid.
>|
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>
> You're a dumb ass. I seriously doubt you have ever flown a sailplane.
>

I know you do.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:yEACk.10089$tp1.5477
@newsfe06.iad:
>|
>| >
>| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| > ...
>| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:rb_Bk.17810$wr1.16736
>| @newsfe02.iad:
>| >|
>| >| >
>| >| > "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
>| >| > .. .
>| >| >| Amine > wrote:
>| >| >| > Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the
difference
>| >| >| > between the two is...) were only to be used to handle
>| crosswinds. I
>| >| >| > didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed
excessive
>| >| >| > speed, although it makes sense from an aerodynamics
perspective.
>| >| >| > Anyone out there used sideslips for anything other than
>| crosswind
>| >| >| > approaches?
>| >| >|
>| >| >| Glider pilots use them on occasion for rapid descent and they
are
>| >| >| expected to demonstrate proficiency in them on the practical
exam.
>| >| >
>| >| > How do you maintain alignment with the tow plane?
>| >| >
>| >| >
>| >| What's it to you, you don't fly.
>| >|
>| >|
>| >| Bertie
>| >
>| > Prove it dumb ass.
>| >
>| >
>| >
>|
>| Don't need to.
>|
>| No more than I need to prove that you are a halfwit or that the sun
will
>| rise in the east tomorrow.
>|
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>
> But you are good at proving you are so totally full of ****.
>
> You're a perpetual fountain of bull****.
>
>
>



What, you're saying you're NOT a fjukkwit?



Prove it.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
>|
>| >
>| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| > ...
>| >| "RandyL" <rlink(AT)cableone(DOT)net> wrote in
>| >| :
>| >|
>| >| > Hi Amine,
>| >| > I'll sometimes use a sideslip on final when I want to practice
>| >| > an approach without using any flaps.
>| >|
>| >| That's actually a forwad slip.
>| >|
>| >|
>| >|
>| >|
>| >| Bertie
>| >
>| > That's a slip.
>| >
>| >
>| >
>|
>| Like you'd know wannabe boi with a stutter
>|
>| Bertie
>
> You are answering every post twice again, they must have upped your
> meds.
>

Oh yh. I' just had a big bag of licorice.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
> ...
>|
>| Since you reuse them so often, you should just label your posts.
>|
>| For instance, you could call that one, Maxie's moronic retort #12.
>| That
> way
>| you could just post the number and it wouldn't take you half an hour
>| to respond to each and every one of Bertie's posts in each thread.
>|
>
> What's the matter wanna boi, am I picking on your hero?
>
>
>

Picking on me?


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hwhahwhahwahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwahwhahwhahhwhahwhahw ahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwahwha
hwhahhwhahwhahwahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwahwhahwhahhwhah whahwahwhahwhahhwhahwhahw
ahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwahwhahwhah hwhahwhahwahwhahwhahhwhah
whahwahwhahwhahhwhahwhahw!



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
> ...
>| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
>| ...
>| >
>| > "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
>| > ...
>| > |
>| > | Since you reuse them so often, you should just label your posts.
>| > |
>| > | For instance, you could call that one, Maxie's moronic retort
>| > | #12.
> That
>| > way
>| > | you could just post the number and it wouldn't take you half an
>| > | hour
> to
>| > | respond to each and every one of Bertie's posts in each thread.
>| > |
>| >
>| > What's the matter wanna boi, am I picking on your hero?
>|
>| I'm not sure how a ****-ant like you could actually pick on anyone,
>| Okie. I'm just using you as a punching bag, as usual.
>|
>
> Sure you are, wanna be.
>
>
>

Excellent.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
>|
>| >
>| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| > ...
>| >| Robert Moore > wrote in
>| >| 2.60:
>| >|
>| >| > Stealth Pilot wrote
>| >| >> Sideslips are a very useful tool because they allow you to
>|
>|
>|
>
> clueless as usual.
>
>
>




Yeh, right wannabe boi



Bertie

[Mike]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > | "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | > | ...
> | > | >
> | > | > "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
> | > | > ...
> | > | > | "george" > wrote in message
> | > | > |
> | > | >
> | >
> ...
> | > | > | > On Sep 25, 3:03 pm, "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote:
> | > | > | > > Are there churches where
> | > | > | > > stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and
> civic
> | > | > | > > organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art
> form?
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > Obviously.
> | > | > | > And evidence of such subculture is demonstrated in your every
> post
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Actually, george, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not one to
> toot
> | > my
> | > | > own
> | > | > | horn, but I do need to point out that quite a number of my posts
> | > could
> | > | > | definitely be classified as clever by an objective reader, and
> dare
> | > I
> | > | > say
> | > | > | humorous to some degree. So either objectivity and humor are
> not
> | > your
> | > | > | forté, or your desire to come to the defense of rubes is so
> | > overwhelming
> | > | > you
> | > | > | would risk being ridiculed for your last senseless post in order
> to
> | > kiss
> | > | > the
> | > | > | arse of the resident RAP village idiot for reasons one can only
> | > | > speculate.
> | > | > |
> | > | >
> | > | > No, your drugs just make you feel 10 feet tall. If you ever sober
> up,
> | > and
> | > | > reread some of your own ****, you'll probably change your name.
> | > |
> | > |
> http://www.historicaircraft.org/Navy-Aircraft/images/Beechcraft-GB1.jpg
> | > |
> |
> | http://www.historicaircraft.org/Army-Air-Corps/images/Cierva-C30A.jpg
> |

http://www.historicaircraft.org/Golden-Age-Gallery/images/Aeronca-PC3.jpg

[Mike]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > |
> | > | Since you reuse them so often, you should just label your posts.
> | > |
> | > | For instance, you could call that one, Maxie's moronic retort #12.
> That
> | > way
> | > | you could just post the number and it wouldn't take you half an hour
> to
> | > | respond to each and every one of Bertie's posts in each thread.
> | > |
> | >
> | > What's the matter wanna boi, am I picking on your hero?
> |
> | I'm not sure how a ****-ant like you could actually pick on anyone,
> Okie.
> | I'm just using you as a punching bag, as usual.
> |
>
> Sure you are, wanna be.

It took you all of two tries to come up with that intellectual marvel, Okie.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

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> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:Fb_Bk.17811$wr1.15157
@newsfe02.iad:
>|
>| >
>| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>| > ...
>| >| Amine > wrote in news:18e46a13-6294-4b68-9775-
>| >| :
>| >|
>| >| > Hey,
>| >| >
>| >| > Some of you may have heard of Air Canada 143
>| [http://www.youtube.com/
>| >| > watch?v=dfJIpA2gv1g] which ran out of fuel in mid air and had to
>| make
>| >| > an emergency descent at velocities way above the normal limits.
The
>| >| > pilot's makeshift technique was to engage a sideslip to
decelerate
>| the
>| >| > aircraft (which by then had no flaps, and only minimal
hydraulics).
>| >| >
>| >| > Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
>| >| > between the two is...) were only to be used to handle
crosswinds.
>| >|
>| >| They're different and they aren't just used for crosswinds.
>| >|
>| >|
>| >| I
>| >| > didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive
>| speed,
>| >| > although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective. Anyone
>| out
>| >| > there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind
approaches?
>| >| >
>| >| > PS: I have read about many cases of jetliners that had to make
>| >| > emergency descents at abnormally high speeds, but the AC143
seems
>| the
>| >| > only one to have used the sideslip.
>| >| >
>| >|
>| >|
>| >| it isn't.
>| >|
>| >|
>| >| Bertie
>| >
>| >
>
>
> You do a good job of being stupid.
>
>


Thenkew

Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >|a > wrote in
| >| news:0adc0f44-ea01-4a7a-ac08-9781be5aeb54
| @z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
| >| :
| >|
| >| > On Sep 24, 12:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
| >| >> Ari > wrote
| >| >> innews:6jv4u2F59v
| >| > :
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >>
| >| >> > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:00:14 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
| >| >> > wrote:
| >| >>
| >| >> >> Stefan > wrote in
| >| >> :
| >| >>
| >| >> >>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
| >| >>
| >| >> >>>> You're full of ****, stefan.
| >| >>
| >| >> >>> Still better than completely hollow like you.
| >| >>
| >| >> >>>> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| >| >> >>>> aerodynamically identical have different references.
| >| >>
| >| >> >>> Of course they have different references... visual references,
| >| >> >>> that is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you
| >| >> >>> look slightly to one side. I'm fully aware that this
| >| >> >>> difference is enough for simple minded like you to think they
| >| >> >>> are two different maneuvres.
| >| >>
| >| >> >> Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
| >| >>
| >| >> >> Bertie
| >| >>
| >| >> > Bert, first time Little Luke took me up in his Velocity, he
| >| >> > failed to inform me that the rudder system is different from
| >| >> > conventional aircraft in both design and performance. In most
| >| >> > aircraft the rudder pedals are interconnected. Pushing down on
| >| >> > one rudder pedal causes a corresponding movement in the opposite
| >| >> > (upward) direction of the other.
| >| >>
| >| >> > LL says to me, let's slip this baby home. Taje the center
| >| >> > stick."
| >| >>
| >| >> > Uh, like first of all, I'm not LHanded. Then I find the rudder
| >| >> > pedals. lol
| >| >>
| >| >> > I was quick to note that the rudder pedals in the Velocity
| >| >> > operate independent from each other,what I they failed to notice
| >| >> > is that much of the sensory feedback with respect to rudder
| >| >> > deployment is ****faced gone. Push one rudder pedal in the
| >| >> > Velocity and the other remains motionless. Cessna and Piper
| >| >> > pilots like me learn to rest both feet on the rudder pedals to
| >| >> > get a feel for the rudder position. Transferring this habit to
| >| >> > the Velocity invites a common mistake V the unintentional
| >| >> > deployment of one (or both!) rudder(s) in flight.
| >| >>
| >| >> > I passed the slip back to Little Puker.
| >| >>
| >| >> Yes, I've heard about this feature in that type of airplane. I'm
| >| >> going to get a chance to fly a Long Eze pretty soon and I believe
| >| >> it works the same way. You can use both together as a speed brake,
| >| >> yes?
| >| >>
| >| >> Bertie
| >| >
| >| > Do those fins deploy in only one direction -- ie,outward, or inward
| >| > -- and are spring loaded to neutral? Is the change in the
| >| > airplane's axis pointing direction just caused by the drag increase
| >| > when one side or the other is deployed? It looks to me almost like
| >| > the way the MU aircraft used spoilers on top of the wings instead
| >| > of ailerons (I think).
| >| >
| >|
| >| Well, that's the way i understood it, but I've never flown one..
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >|
| >
| > We could apparently write a book about things you have never ACTUALLY
| > done.
| >
| >
| >
|
| Yep, you could, lamerboi.
|
|
| Who's that "we" again, BTW?
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| Ari > wrote in
| >| :
| >|
| >| > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:00:14 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
| >| >
| >| >> Stefan > wrote in
| >| >> :
| >| >>
| >| >>> Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
| >| >>>
| >| >>>> You're full of ****, stefan.
| >| >>>
| >| >>> Still better than completely hollow like you.
| >| >>>
| >| >>>> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| >| >>>> aerodynamically identical have different references.
| >| >>>
| >| >>> Of course they have different references... visual references,
| that
| >| >>> is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look
| slightly
| >| >>> to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for
| >| >>> simple minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
| >| >>>
| >| >>
| >| >> Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
| >| >>
| >| >> Bertie
| >| >
| >| > Bert, first time Little Luke took me up in his Velocity, he failed
| to
| >| > inform me that the rudder system is different from ¡§conventional¡¨
| >| > aircraft in both design and performance. In most aircraft the
| rudder
| >| > pedals are interconnected. Pushing down on one rudder pedal causes
| a
| >| > corresponding movement in the opposite (upward) direction of the
| >| > other.
| >| >
| >| > LL says to me, let's slip this baby home. Taje the center stick."
| >| >
| >| > Uh, like first of all, I'm not LHanded. Then I find the rudder
| pedals.
| >| > lol
| >| >
| >| > I was quick to note that the rudder pedals in the Velocity operate
| >| > independent from each other,what I they failed to notice is that
| much
| >| > of the sensory feedback with respect to rudder deployment is
| ****faced
| >| > gone. Push one rudder pedal in the Velocity and the other remains
| >| > motionless. Cessna and Piper pilots like me learn to rest both feet
| on
| >| > the rudder pedals to get a ¡§feel¡¨ for the rudder position.
| >| > Transferring this habit to the Velocity invites a common mistake ¡V
| >| > the unintentional deployment of one (or both!) rudder(s) in flight.
| >| >
| >| > I passed the slip back to Little Puker.
| >| >
| >| Yes, I've heard about this feature in that type of airplane. I'm
| going
| >| to get a chance to fly a Long Eze pretty soon and I believe it works
| the
| >| same way. You can use both together as a speed brake, yes?
| >|
| >| Berti
| >
| > Let us know when, so we can hide in our bunkers.
| >
| >
|
| Best get hiding, fjukkktard
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| Stefan > wrote in
| >| :
| >|
| >| > Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
| >| >
| >| >> You're full of ****, stefan.
| >| >
| >| > Still better than completely hollow like you.
| >| >
| >| >> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| >| >> aerodynamically identical have different references.
| >| >
| >| > Of course they have different references... visual references, that
| >| > is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look slightly
| >| > to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for
simple
| >| > minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
| >| >
| >|
| >| Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| > No he's not.
| >
| >
| >
| >
|
| Thank you.
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Vaughn Simon" > wrote in
| >| :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >>
| >| >> Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| >| >> aerodynamically identical have different references.
| >| >
| >| > This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on
| >| > forever
| >| > without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
| >| > definition you wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions
| >| > like this, I keep an old copy of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf.
| >| > I found it interesting that Wolfgang apparently found no need to
| >| > make a distinction; regardless if done for glidepath control or
| >| > landing in a crosswind, he calls them both "sideslips".
| >|
| >| Mmm, cept Stefan the cheese nazi has no intention of discussing
| >| anythign.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| > Bull****, lamer. You're the one with CDD..
| >
| >
|
| Uh, yeh. OK lamerboi.
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:xEACk.10086$tp1.4322
| @newsfe06.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >|
| >| >| "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| >| ...
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| >| >| > aerodynamically identical have different references.
| >| >|
| >| >| This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on
| >| >| forever
| >| >| without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
| >| >| definition
| >| > you
| >| >| wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions like this, I
| keep
| >| >| an
| >| > old copy
| >| >| of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf. I found it interesting that
| >| >| Wolfgang apparently found no need to make a distinction;
| regardless
| >| >| if done for
| >| > glidepath
| >| >| control or landing in a crosswind, he calls them both "sideslips".
| >| >|
| >| >| Go figure.
| >| >|
| >| >| Vaughn
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| > Does the term forward slip describe a slip? Yes.
| >| >
| >| > Does the term side slip describe a slip? Yes.
| >| >
| >| > Do both requre the same control inputs? Yes.
| >| >
| >| > What next? Will we have pattern turns, cross country turns, sight
| >| > seeing turns, high altitude turns etc.
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >| What's this "we" ****, wannabe boi?
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie>
| >| >
| >|
| >
| > You and your ignorant sock puppets.
| >
| >
|
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
...
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > | "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| > | ...
| > | >
| > | > "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > | > ...
| > | > | "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| > | > | ...
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > ...
| > | > | > | "george" > wrote in message
| > | > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | >
| >
...
| > | > | > | > On Sep 25, 3:03 pm, "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote:
| > | > | > | > > Are there churches where
| > | > | > | > > stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and
| > civic
| > | > | > | > > organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art
| > form?
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Obviously.
| > | > | > | > And evidence of such subculture is demonstrated in your
every
| > post
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Actually, george, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not one to
| > toot
| > | > my
| > | > | > own
| > | > | > | horn, but I do need to point out that quite a number of my
posts
| > | > could
| > | > | > | definitely be classified as clever by an objective reader, and
| > dare
| > | > I
| > | > | > say
| > | > | > | humorous to some degree. So either objectivity and humor are
| > not
| > | > your
| > | > | > | forté, or your desire to come to the defense of rubes is so
| > | > overwhelming
| > | > | > you
| > | > | > | would risk being ridiculed for your last senseless post in
order
| > to
| > | > kiss
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > | arse of the resident RAP village idiot for reasons one can
only
| > | > | > speculate.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | > | > No, your drugs just make you feel 10 feet tall. If you ever
sober
| > up,
| > | > and
| > | > | > reread some of your own ****, you'll probably change your name.
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > http://www.historicaircraft.org/Navy-Aircraft/images/Beechcraft-GB1.jpg
| > | > |
| > |
| > | http://www.historicaircraft.org/Army-Air-Corps/images/Cierva-C30A.jpg
| > |
|
| http://www.historicaircraft.org/Golden-Age-Gallery/images/Aeronca-PC3.jpg
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| >| ...
| >| >
| >| > "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| > | "george" > wrote in message
| >| > |
| >| >
| > news:31d3b022-0e9a-4850-ba28-bd1501de4cd6
| @w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com.
| > ..
| >| > | > On Sep 25, 3:03 pm, "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote:
| >| > | > > Are there churches where
| >| > | > > stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and
| >| > | > > civic organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art
| >| > | > > form?
| >| > | >
| >| > | > Obviously.
| >| > | > And evidence of such subculture is demonstrated in your every
| >| > | > post
| >| > |
| >| > | Actually, george, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not one to
| >| > | toot my
| >| > own
| >| > | horn, but I do need to point out that quite a number of my posts
| >| > | could definitely be classified as clever by an objective reader,
| >| > | and dare I
| >| > say
| >| > | humorous to some degree. So either objectivity and humor are not
| >| > | your forté, or your desire to come to the defense of rubes is so
| > overwhelming
| >| > you
| >| > | would risk being ridiculed for your last senseless post in order
| >| > | to
| > kiss
| >| > the
| >| > | arse of the resident RAP village idiot for reasons one can only
| >| > speculate.
| >| > |
| >| >
| >| > No, your drugs just make you feel 10 feet tall. If you ever sober
| >| > up,
| > and
| >| > reread some of your own ****, you'll probably change your name.
| >|
| >| http://www.historicaircraft.org/Navy-Aircraft/images/Beechcraft-
| GB1.jp
| >| g
| >|
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "george" > wrote in message
| >| news:31d3b022-0e9a-4850-ba28-bd1501de4cd6
| @w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com
| >| ...
| >| > On Sep 25, 3:03 pm, "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote:
| >| > > Are there churches where
| >| > > stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and civic
| >| > > organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art form?
| >| >
| >| > Obviously.
| >| > And evidence of such subculture is demonstrated in your every post
| >|
| >| Actually, george, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not one to toot my
| >| own horn, but I do need to point out that quite a number of my posts
| >| could definitely be classified as clever by an objective reader, and
| >| dare I say humorous to some degree. So either objectivity and humor
| >| are not your forté, or your desire to come to the defense of rubes is
| >| so overwhelming
| > you
| >| would risk being ridiculed for your last senseless post in order to
| >| kiss
| > the
| >| arse of the resident RAP village idiot for reasons one can only
| >| speculate.
| >|
| >
| > No, your drugs just make you feel 10 feet tall. If you ever sober up,
| > and reread some of your own ****, you'll probably change your name.
| >
| >
| >
|
| Wheras nobody, including you, can make sense of your drivel.
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| >| ...
| >| >
| >| > "Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| > |
| >| > | "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > | ...
| >| > | >
| >| > | > Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| >| > aerodynamically
| >| > | > identical have different references.
| >| > |
| >| > | This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on
| > forever
| >| > | without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
| >| > definition
| >| > you
| >| > | wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions like this, I
| >| > | keep
| > an
| >| > old copy
| >| > | of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf. I found it interesting that
| >| > Wolfgang
| >| > | apparently found no need to make a distinction; regardless if
| >| > | done for
| >| > glidepath
| >| > | control or landing in a crosswind, he calls them both
| >| > | "sideslips".
| >| > |
| >| > | Go figure.
| >| > |
| >| > | Vaughn
| >| > |
| >| > |
| >| >
| >| > Does the term forward slip describe a slip? Yes.
| >| >
| >| > Does the term side slip describe a slip? Yes.
| >| >
| >| > Do both requre the same control inputs? Yes.
| >| >
| >| > What next? Will we have pattern turns, cross country turns, sight
| >| > seeing turns, high altitude turns etc.
| >|
| >| Taking your moronic Okie logic the other direction, why not simply
| >| just
| > call
| >| everything a maneuver, which would cover taxiing, takeoffs, landings,
| > turns,
| >| slips, stalls, lazy eights, ascents, descents, chandelles, spins,
| >| immelmanns, barrel rolls, and dozens of other things.
| >|
| >| I'm just curious as to how Okies like you rise to the crème de la
| >| dumb level. Inbreeding and fetal alcohol syndrome only can account
| >| for so
| > much.
| >| Are there monuments to stupidity in every town? Do you have museums
| >| dedicated to stupidity that you regularly attend? Are there churches
| > where
| >| stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and civic
| >| organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art form?
| >|
| >
| > Great, another lame story.
| >
| > Keep taking drugs, I'm sure you are entertaining someone somewhere.
| >
| >
| >
|
| Moi?
|
| Not at all. You're the source of entertainment, k00kieboi. I merely keep
| you on the boil.
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

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| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:Bc_Bk.17815$wr1.13986
| @newsfe02.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| Stefan > wrote in news:9cc9b$48d7b746
| >| $54487392
| >| >| :
| >| >|
| >| >| > Robert Moore schrieb:
| >| >| >
| >| >| >>> A slip is a slip is a slip.
| >| >| >
| >| >| >> From The FAA H-8083-3a, Airplane Flying Handbook
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Ok, so in the USA there exist several different brands of slips.
| >| >| >
| >| >| > In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip.
| Which
| >| is
| >| >| > how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| You're full of ****, stefan.
| >| >|
| >| >| Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| >| aerodynamically
| >| >| identical have different references.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| > You're full of ****. A slip is a slip, and you are a sap.
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >| nope, doesn't matter since you don't fly, though.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >|
| >|
| >
| > So you wish.
| >
|
|
| No, it's pretty much self evident.
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| Stefan > wrote in news:9cc9b$48d7b746
| $54487392
| >| :
| >|
| >| > Robert Moore schrieb:
| >| >
| >| >>> A slip is a slip is a slip.
| >| >
| >| >> From The FAA H-8083-3a, Airplane Flying Handbook
| >| >
| >| > Ok, so in the USA there exist several different brands of slips.
| >| >
| >| > In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip. Which
| is
| >| > how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.
| >|
| >|
| >| You're full of ****, stefan.
| >|
| >| Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| aerodynamically
| >| identical have different references.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >|
| >
| > But they are still slips, dumb ass.
| >
| >
| >
|
| Oww!
|
| What an astute observation.
|
|
| And you're stil a fjukktard.
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| Stefan > wrote in
| >| :
| >|
| >| > Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe schrieb:
| >| >
| >| >>> In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip. Which
| >| >>> is how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.
| >| >
| >| >> Yea, but you have to remember which is which in case it comes up on
a
| >| >> test.
| >| >
| >| > Now *this* is a valid argument which I must accept! :-)
| >| >
| >|
| >| You're an idiot.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| > Well at best, he could only be an apprentice with you around.
| >
|
|
| Nah.
|
|
| Bertie
| >
| >
|

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| jeremy > wrote in
| >| :
| >|
| >| > Stefan wrote:
| >| >
| >| >> An airline pilot who happens to also be a pretty good sailplane
| >| >> pilot told me that it would have been much easier and equally
| >| >> efficient to just do S turns to adjust the glide path. This would
| >| >> also have avoided possible problems driving the air driven
| >| >> generator. The pilot who who did a glider landing with anairbus on
| >| >> the Azores in 2001 used that technique.
| >| >>
| >| >
| >| > Probably the easiest alternative to trying to haul the thing around
| >| > the sky with degraded controls.
| >|
| >| the controls aren't degraded at all. Not a lot on the way of
| >| spoilers, but the flight controls work almost exactly the same on the
| >| RAT as they do normally.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| > dumb ass
| >
| >
| >
|
| Awwwwwww,
|
|
| You're just a big meeeeennnneeeeee!
|
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| Stefan > wrote in news:752a8$48d89b77
| $d9a270a8
| >| :
| >|
| >| > schrieb:
| >| >
| >| > > The Air Canada pilot was a sailplane pilot, too, familiar
| with
| >| > > slipping, and had operated sailplanes out of Gimli so he knew the
| >| > > place. If anyone else had been at the controls it might not have
| >| > > turned out so pretty.
| >| >
| >| > An airline pilot who happens to also be a pretty good sailplane
| pilot
| >| > told me that it would have been much easier and equally efficient
| to
| >| > just do S turns to adjust the glide path. This would also have
| avoided
| >| > possible problems driving the air driven generator. The pilot who
| who
| >| > did a glider landing with anairbus on the Azores in 2001 used that
| >| > technique.
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bull****.
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| > Like you would know.
| >
| >
| >
|
| Snort! There are sevral here who know me and have flown with me.
|
|
|
| My guess is they're laughing their asses off at you now.
|
| But hey, n with the maxine show.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in news:xEACk.10087$tp1.5942
| @newsfe06.iad:
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| What's it to you, you don't fly and never will.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| You just proved that with this poast.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| > Explain the difference dumb ass, you can't.
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >| Yes, I can, but if you really want to know, look it up, wannabe boi.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >|
| >
| > I didn't think you could.
| >
| >
| >
|
| I know you didn't.
|
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| Stefan > wrote in
| >| news:1fb3$48d7ad48$54487392$9846 @news.hispeed.ch:
| >|
| >| > Robert Moore schrieb:
| >| >
| >| >> What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control
| >| >> usage is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a
| >| >> crosswind, and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
| >| >
| >| > A slip is a slip is a slip.
| >|
| >|
| >| No it isn't.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| > Yes it is.
| >
| >
| >
|
| No it isn't.
|
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.. .
| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
|
| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in
| >| :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Stefan" > wrote in message
| >| > .. .
| >| >| Robert Moore schrieb:
| >| >|
| >| >| > What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control
| > usage
| >| >| > is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a
| > crosswind,
| >| >| > and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
| >| >|
| >| >| A slip is a slip is a slip.
| >| >|
| >| >| I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art
| >| >| of making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the
| >| >| conlusion that it's to look more impressive to the female
| >| >| students.
| >| >
| >| > Cuz they have their heads up their asses, just like Bertie
| >| > Buttlick.
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >| Bwawhahw!
| >|
| >| You actualy think you're wearing me down or something, don't you?
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw!
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| > Did you fall asleep on the send button again, dumb ass?
| >
| >
| >
|
| Nope.
|
| Bertie

[Mick[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
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| >
| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
| >| > ...
| >| >| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in
| >| >| :
| >| >|
| >| >| >
| >| >| > "Stefan" > wrote in message
| >| >| > .. .
| >| >| >| Robert Moore schrieb:
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| > What you have described is the "forward slip". Although
| control
| >| > usage
| >| >| >| > is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a
| >| > crosswind,
| >| >| >| > and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| A slip is a slip is a slip.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the
| art
| >| >| >| of making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the
| >| >| >| conlusion that it's to look more impressive to the female
| >| >| >| students.
| >| >| >
| >| >| > Cuz they have their heads up their asses, just like Bertie
| >| >| > Buttlick.
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bwawhahw!
| >| >|
| >| >| You actualy think you're wearing me down or something, don't you?
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Bertie
| >| >
| >| > Did you pass out on the send button again, dumb ass.
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| Nope.
| >|
| >|
| >| Bertie
| >
| > Must be just clueless then.
| >
| > I like the double copy to RAP in the send field. You must really be
| FUed
| > tonight.
| >
| >
| >
|
|
| Nope.
|
|
|
| Bertie

[a[_3_]]

On Sep 22, 10:35*am, Stefan > wrote:
> Robert Moore schrieb:
>
> > What you have described is the "forward slip". *Although control usage
> > is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
> > and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
>
> A slip is a slip is a slip.
>
> I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art of
> making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the conlusion
> that it's to look more impressive to the female students.

There are some pretty wonderful 'slips' of the power on variety in the
second minute of this video. Even if you've seen it before, if you
fly, you'll smile and be a little envious -- or a lot envious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3q8MDFltxI

[Dave Krueger]

On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:04:32 -0700 (PDT), a wrote:

> On Sep 22, 10:35*am, Stefan > wrote:
>> Robert Moore schrieb:
>>
>>> What you have described is the "forward slip". *Although control usage
>>> is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
>>> and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
>>
>> A slip is a slip is a slip.
>>
>> I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art of
>> making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the conlusion
>> that it's to look more impressive to the female students.
>
> There are some pretty wonderful 'slips' of the power on variety in the
> second minute of this video. Even if you've seen it before, if you
> fly, you'll smile and be a little envious -- or a lot envious.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3q8MDFltxI

EXCELLENT! tHANKS!
--
Mommy, Daddy, can i live with you the rest of my life?
Waaaaaaaaaa!!!! i umpire but i don wanna work either.


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[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>| "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :
>|
>| >
>|
>| >
>| > And of course you would know that, because you are an aviation legend.
>| >
>| >
>|
>|
>| Thenkkew.
>|
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>| >
>| >
>| >
>|
>
>
>

Ta da!


Bertie

[Stealth Pilot[_2_]]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:27:29 -0500, "Allen" >
wrote:


>>
>> in my country the manouver I describe is always called a side slip.
>>
>> side slips are used as I indicate to dirty up the aircraft
>> aerodynamically.
>> they can be used to counter a crosswind but the crabbed approach is
>> preferred because it doesnt change the approach profile.
>>
>> it is a side slip.
>>
>> youalls mileage may vary :-)
>>
>> Stealth Pilot
>
>The slips are named for their flight path in relation to a point on the
>ground. The forward slip, when used in relation to a runway, creates a
>direct forward path to the end of the runway. This is accomplished by
>lowering a wing and opposite rudder at the same time. The nose of the
>aircraft is to the left or right of the runway heading but the flight path
>is directly forward toward the runway. The primary use of this slip is to
>lose altitude without increasing airspeed and also to allow a view of the
>runway if the front windshield is obstructed with ice or oil. The side
>slip, when used in relation to a runway, creates a sideways flight path .
>This is accomplished by lowering a wing and using rudder to keep the nose of
>the aircraft pointed straight down the runway. In a no-wind situation the
>aircraft will move sideways left or right of the runway centerline depending
>on which wing is lowered. The primary use of this slip is to counteract
>side drift in a crosswind landing and allow the aircraft to touchdown
>parallel to the runway centerline.


why on earth are you lecturing me about slips?
I use them as a convenience whenever I feel the need.

in my country they are known only as side slips because the control
inputs are pretty well the same and you can make them point in pretty
well any direction from side ways to forwards.

it is only in america where you make the artificial distinction
between forward and sideways slips.

to my mind it is as much of a nonsense as the way you spell aeroplane.
ymmv
Stealth Pilot

[a[_3_]]

On Sep 27, 10:19*am, Stealth Pilot >
wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:27:29 -0500, "Allen" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >> in my country the manouver I describe is always called a side slip.
>
> >> side slips are used as I indicate to dirty up the aircraft
> >> aerodynamically.
> >> they can be used to counter a crosswind but the crabbed approach is
> >> preferred because it doesnt change the approach profile.
>
> >> it is a side slip.
>
> >> youalls mileage may vary :-)
>
> >> Stealth Pilot
>
> >The slips are named for their flight path in relation to a point on the
> >ground. *The forward slip, when used in relation to a runway, creates a
> >direct forward path to the end of the runway. *This is accomplished by
> >lowering a wing and opposite rudder at the same time. *The nose of the
> >aircraft is to the left or right of the runway heading but the flight path
> >is directly forward toward the runway. *The primary use of this slip is to
> >lose altitude without increasing airspeed and also to allow a view of the
> >runway if the front windshield is obstructed with ice or oil. *The side
> >slip, when used in relation to a runway, creates a sideways flight path ..
> >This is accomplished by lowering a wing and using rudder to keep the nose of
> >the aircraft pointed straight down the runway. *In a no-wind situation the
> >aircraft will move sideways left or right of the runway centerline depending
> >on which wing is lowered. *The primary use of this slip is to counteract
> >side drift in a crosswind landing and allow the aircraft to touchdown
> >parallel to the runway centerline.
>
> why on earth are you lecturing me about slips?
> I use them as a convenience whenever I feel the need.
>
> in my country they are known only as side slips because the control
> inputs are pretty well the same and you can make them point in pretty
> well any direction from side ways to forwards.
>
> it is only in america where you make the artificial distinction
> between forward and sideways slips.
>
> to my mind it is as much of a nonsense as the way you spell aeroplane.
> ymmv
> Stealth Pilot

In both cases the pilot is presenting the side of the airplane to the
wind. The nonsense has everything to do with the track of the axis of
the airplane over the ground, doesn't it? If the axis points to the
direction of travel over the ground, as we would like in landing,
that's a slip of one flavor, if it doesn't, it's a different flavor. I
think the landing slip is a little more difficult since the reference
is different, but even then, many pilots kick the airplane to track
the centerline at the last moment.

If I need to come down fast I just ram in a foot-full of rudder
(Mooneys do not have a lot of rudder authority) and buy the tracking I
need with the yoke. It's fairly easy to track along the runway
centerline if I use that as a reference, and just never bother saying
gee, this is a slide slip, now let's change it to a forward one. In
all cases it's just flying the airplane (and unless an unexpected
change in landing clearance had been issued by the tower) cursing a
little because I put myself a bit too high or too hot to get to where
I want to be in a coordinated way. That is bad piloting.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Stealth Pilot > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:27:29 -0500, "Allen" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> in my country the manouver I describe is always called a side slip.
>>>
>>> side slips are used as I indicate to dirty up the aircraft
>>> aerodynamically.
>>> they can be used to counter a crosswind but the crabbed approach is
>>> preferred because it doesnt change the approach profile.
>>>
>>> it is a side slip.
>>>
>>> youalls mileage may vary :-)
>>>
>>> Stealth Pilot
>>
>>The slips are named for their flight path in relation to a point on
>>the ground. The forward slip, when used in relation to a runway,
>>creates a direct forward path to the end of the runway. This is
>>accomplished by lowering a wing and opposite rudder at the same time.
>>The nose of the aircraft is to the left or right of the runway heading
>>but the flight path is directly forward toward the runway. The
>>primary use of this slip is to lose altitude without increasing
>>airspeed and also to allow a view of the runway if the front
>>windshield is obstructed with ice or oil. The side slip, when used in
>>relation to a runway, creates a sideways flight path . This is
>>accomplished by lowering a wing and using rudder to keep the nose of
>>the aircraft pointed straight down the runway. In a no-wind situation
>>the aircraft will move sideways left or right of the runway centerline
>>depending on which wing is lowered. The primary use of this slip is
>>to counteract side drift in a crosswind landing and allow the aircraft
>>to touchdown parallel to the runway centerline.
>
>
> why on earth are you lecturing me about slips?
> I use them as a convenience whenever I feel the need.
>
> in my country they are known only as side slips because the control
> inputs are pretty well the same and you can make them point in pretty
> well any direction from side ways to forwards.
>
> it is only in america where you make the artificial distinction
> between forward and sideways slips.
>
> to my mind it is as much of a nonsense as the way you spell aeroplane.
> ymmv


Americnas get to choose the spelling cuz they invented it!

Much in the same way as you guys invented the rotary washing line and
the....



What else?



Bertie

[[email protected]]

On Sep 27, 12:07*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Stealth Pilot > wrote :
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:27:29 -0500, "Allen" >
> > wrote:
>
> >>> in my country the manouver I describe is always called a side slip.
>
> >>> side slips are used as I indicate to dirty up the aircraft
> >>> aerodynamically.
> >>> they can be used to counter a crosswind but the crabbed approach is
> >>> preferred because it doesnt change the approach profile.
>
> >>> it is a side slip.
>
> >>> youalls mileage may vary :-)
>
> >>> Stealth Pilot
>
> >>The slips are named for their flight path in relation to a point on
> >>the ground. *The forward slip, when used in relation to a runway,
> >>creates a direct forward path to the end of the runway. *This is
> >>accomplished by lowering a wing and opposite rudder at the same time.
> >>The nose of the aircraft is to the left or right of the runway heading
> >>but the flight path is directly forward toward the runway. *The
> >>primary use of this slip is to lose altitude without increasing
> >>airspeed and also to allow a view of the runway if the front
> >>windshield is obstructed with ice or oil. *The side slip, when used in
> >>relation to a runway, creates a sideways flight path . This is
> >>accomplished by lowering a wing and using rudder to keep the nose of
> >>the aircraft pointed straight down the runway. *In a no-wind situation
> >>the aircraft will move sideways left or right of the runway centerline
> >>depending on which wing is lowered. *The primary use of this slip is
> >>to counteract side drift in a crosswind landing and allow the aircraft
> >>to touchdown parallel to the runway centerline.
>
> > why on earth are you lecturing me about slips?
> > I use them as a convenience whenever I feel the need.
>
> > in my country they are known only as side slips because the control
> > inputs are pretty well the same and you can make them point in pretty
> > well any direction from side ways to forwards.
>
> > it is only in america where you make the artificial distinction
> > between forward and sideways slips.
>
> > to my mind it is as much of a nonsense as the way you spell aeroplane.
> > ymmv
>
> Americnas get to choose the spelling cuz they invented it!
>
> Much in the same way as you guys invented the rotary washing line and
> the....
>
> What else?
>
> Bertie

black boxes come to mind, so do car radios.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

wrote in
:

> On Sep 27, 12:07*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Stealth Pilot > wrote
>> innews:fsfsd4hmkhnk
> :
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:27:29 -0500, "Allen"
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> >>> in my country the manouver I describe is always called a side
>> >>> slip.
>>
>> >>> side slips are used as I indicate to dirty up the aircraft
>> >>> aerodynamically.
>> >>> they can be used to counter a crosswind but the crabbed approach
>> >>> is preferred because it doesnt change the approach profile.
>>
>> >>> it is a side slip.
>>
>> >>> youalls mileage may vary :-)
>>
>> >>> Stealth Pilot
>>
>> >>The slips are named for their flight path in relation to a point on
>> >>the ground. *The forward slip, when used in relation to a runway,
>> >>creates a direct forward path to the end of the runway. *This is
>> >>accomplished by lowering a wing and opposite rudder at the same
>> >>time. The nose of the aircraft is to the left or right of the
>> >>runway heading but the flight path is directly forward toward the
>> >>runway. *The primary use of this slip is to lose altitude without
>> >>increasing airspeed and also to allow a view of the runway if the
>> >>front windshield is obstructed with ice or oil. *The side slip,
>> >>when used i
> n
>> >>relation to a runway, creates a sideways flight path . This is
>> >>accomplished by lowering a wing and using rudder to keep the nose
>> >>of the aircraft pointed straight down the runway. *In a no-wind
>> >>situatio
> n
>> >>the aircraft will move sideways left or right of the runway
>> >>centerline depending on which wing is lowered. *The primary use of
>> >>this slip is to counteract side drift in a crosswind landing and
>> >>allow the aircraft to touchdown parallel to the runway centerline.
>>
>> > why on earth are you lecturing me about slips?
>> > I use them as a convenience whenever I feel the need.
>>
>> > in my country they are known only as side slips because the control
>> > inputs are pretty well the same and you can make them point in
>> > pretty well any direction from side ways to forwards.
>>
>> > it is only in america where you make the artificial distinction
>> > between forward and sideways slips.
>>
>> > to my mind it is as much of a nonsense as the way you spell
>> > aeroplane. ymmv
>>
>> Americnas get to choose the spelling cuz they invented it!
>>
>> Much in the same way as you guys invented the rotary washing line and
>> the....
>>
>> What else?
>>
>> Bertie
>
> black boxes come to mind, so do car radios.
>

Painting a cornflakes box black and sticking a wireless on a holden
doesnt count!



Bertie

[[email protected]]

On Sep 27, 2:22*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> wrote :
>
>
>
> > On Sep 27, 12:07*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> Stealth Pilot > wrote
> >> innews:fsfsd4hmkhnk
> > :
>
> >> > On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:27:29 -0500, "Allen"
> >> > > wrote:
>
> >> >>> in my country the manouver I describe is always called a side
> >> >>> slip.
>
> >> >>> side slips are used as I indicate to dirty up the aircraft
> >> >>> aerodynamically.
> >> >>> they can be used to counter a crosswind but the crabbed approach
> >> >>> is preferred because it doesnt change the approach profile.
>
> >> >>> it is a side slip.
>
> >> >>> youalls mileage may vary :-)
>
> >> >>> Stealth Pilot
>
> >> >>The slips are named for their flight path in relation to a point on
> >> >>the ground. *The forward slip, when used in relation to a runway,
> >> >>creates a direct forward path to the end of the runway. *This is
> >> >>accomplished by lowering a wing and opposite rudder at the same
> >> >>time. The nose of the aircraft is to the left or right of the
> >> >>runway heading but the flight path is directly forward toward the
> >> >>runway. *The primary use of this slip is to lose altitude without
> >> >>increasing airspeed and also to allow a view of the runway if the
> >> >>front windshield is obstructed with ice or oil. *The side slip,
> >> >>when used i
> > n
> >> >>relation to a runway, creates a sideways flight path . This is
> >> >>accomplished by lowering a wing and using rudder to keep the nose
> >> >>of the aircraft pointed straight down the runway. *In a no-wind
> >> >>situatio
> > n
> >> >>the aircraft will move sideways left or right of the runway
> >> >>centerline depending on which wing is lowered. *The primary use of
> >> >>this slip is to counteract side drift in a crosswind landing and
> >> >>allow the aircraft to touchdown parallel to the runway centerline.
>
> >> > why on earth are you lecturing me about slips?
> >> > I use them as a convenience whenever I feel the need.
>
> >> > in my country they are known only as side slips because the control
> >> > inputs are pretty well the same and you can make them point in
> >> > pretty well any direction from side ways to forwards.
>
> >> > it is only in america where you make the artificial distinction
> >> > between forward and sideways slips.
>
> >> > to my mind it is as much of a nonsense as the way you spell
> >> > aeroplane. ymmv
>
> >> Americnas get to choose the spelling cuz they invented it!
>
> >> Much in the same way as you guys invented the rotary washing line and
> >> the....
>
> >> What else?
>
> >> Bertie
>
> > black boxes come to mind, so do car radios.
>
> Painting a cornflakes box black and sticking a wireless on a holden
> doesnt count!
>
> Bertie

You count your way, the Aussies count theirs. They were inventive
enough to take the America's Cup from us, and keep if for a couple of
cycles. They are not on a per capital basis as strong as Israel, but
they are not doing badly. Hell, they invented Great White Sharks and
Waltzing Matildas and the digery do. Those are major contributions to
world cultures.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

wrote in
:

> On Sep 27, 2:22*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> wrote
>> innews:16a34e14-ab8e-4397-804d-4f9547b0090c@34g
> 2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 27, 12:07*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> Stealth Pilot > wrote
>> >> innews:fsfsd4hmkhnk
>> > :
>>
>> >> > On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:27:29 -0500, "Allen"
>> >> > > wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> in my country the manouver I describe is always called a side
>> >> >>> slip.
>>
>> >> >>> side slips are used as I indicate to dirty up the aircraft
>> >> >>> aerodynamically.
>> >> >>> they can be used to counter a crosswind but the crabbed
>> >> >>> approach is preferred because it doesnt change the approach
>> >> >>> profile.
>>
>> >> >>> it is a side slip.
>>
>> >> >>> youalls mileage may vary :-)
>>
>> >> >>> Stealth Pilot
>>
>> >> >>The slips are named for their flight path in relation to a point
>> >> >>on the ground. *The forward slip, when used in relation to a
>> >> >>runway, creates a direct forward path to the end of the runway.
>> >> >>*This is accomplished by lowering a wing and opposite rudder at
>> >> >>the same time. The nose of the aircraft is to the left or right
>> >> >>of the runway heading but the flight path is directly forward
>> >> >>toward the runway. *The primary use of this slip is to lose
>> >> >>altitude without increasing airspeed and also to allow a view of
>> >> >>the runway if the front windshield is obstructed with ice or
>> >> >>oil. *The side slip, when used i
>> > n
>> >> >>relation to a runway, creates a sideways flight path . This is
>> >> >>accomplished by lowering a wing and using rudder to keep the
>> >> >>nose of the aircraft pointed straight down the runway. *In a
>> >> >>no-wind situatio
>> > n
>> >> >>the aircraft will move sideways left or right of the runway
>> >> >>centerline depending on which wing is lowered. *The primary use
>> >> >>of this slip is to counteract side drift in a crosswind landing
>> >> >>and allow the aircraft to touchdown parallel to the runway
>> >> >>centerline.
>>
>> >> > why on earth are you lecturing me about slips?
>> >> > I use them as a convenience whenever I feel the need.
>>
>> >> > in my country they are known only as side slips because the
>> >> > control inputs are pretty well the same and you can make them
>> >> > point in pretty well any direction from side ways to forwards.
>>
>> >> > it is only in america where you make the artificial distinction
>> >> > between forward and sideways slips.
>>
>> >> > to my mind it is as much of a nonsense as the way you spell
>> >> > aeroplane. ymmv
>>
>> >> Americnas get to choose the spelling cuz they invented it!
>>
>> >> Much in the same way as you guys invented the rotary washing line
>> >> and the....
>>
>> >> What else?
>>
>> >> Bertie
>>
>> > black boxes come to mind, so do car radios.
>>
>> Painting a cornflakes box black and sticking a wireless on a holden
>> doesnt count!
>>
>> Bertie
>
> You count your way, the Aussies count theirs. They were inventive
> enough to take the America's Cup from us, and keep if for a couple of
> cycles. They are not on a per capital basis as strong as Israel, but
> they are not doing badly. Hell, they invented Great White Sharks and
> Waltzing Matildas and the digery do. Those are major contributions to
> world cultures.
>

No argument there. They've even perfected the vomitorium!


Bertie