Demand that Obama release his college records! Where is the media?

[Micky]

Why is it important to see Obama's college records? Because the media
has created fantasies around Obama on every issue. You should start
dispelling them with the easiest one, i.e. the fantasy of Obama's
"academic degrees and honors".

Obama has been fighting desperately to block all access to his college
records. Even his public "thesis" at Columbia mysteriously
disappeared. The media just swallowed the official Obama's "academic
degrees and honors" without checking his actual grades, his scores on
standardized tests, his academic writings if any, etc. All the
decisions to admit Obama to colleges, to give him "academic degrees
and honors" were made by a few unknown individuals. Read about the
racial turmoil at one college where he got his "academic honors". The
race tensions seem to follow Obama wherever he goes.

If Obama's college records fail to meet the requirements for
legitimate academic degrees and honors then Obama will be declared an
academic fraud. Maybe then the media will start vetting Obama on other
issues. Then we will be able to address the biggest fantasies like
Obama's "ability to solve" the financial crisis which requires making
executive decisions. Obama never made a single real executive decision
in his life! How will Obama be able to attract quality people if he
has a long history of attracting and being attracted to the worst
kind? Any Hollywood actor can read a teleprompter and memorize talking
points written by secret handlers.

If Obama gets elected and turns the United States into a war-torn
country like Kenya then his college records will mysteriously leak,
but then it could be too late.

I am asking everybody to request at least one major news network to
make it an election issue. Ask others to do the same. Since Obama has
built his political career around his "academic degrees and honors",
all his college records (complete set of grades, scores on
standardized tests, etc) must be released. Keep in mind that Obama's
supporters have saturated media outlets and internet bandwidth for the
last two years with stories of Obama's "academic degrees and honors".
Now they viciously attack those who want to see Obama's grades and
scores on standardized tests.



Some websites to submit your requests:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/contact2
http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3068843
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6872152/
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77538,00.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/



Some websites to read about Obama's "academic career":
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/05/obama-mythical.html
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=307579834298611
http://www.nysun.com/new-york/obamas-years-at-columbia-are-a-mystery/85015/
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1218710381368&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=74877
http://reason.com/news/show/128461.html

[jacob]

Yeah, anyone can edit Harvard Law Review.

[Pete[_4_]]

I see your Obama's academic records, and raise you Sarah Palin's B.S.
in Journalism from the University of Idaho, cause, you know, that's
it. What was her GPA?

[Kingfish]

On Oct 6, 1:29*am, Pete > wrote:
> I see your Obama's academic records, and raise you Sarah Palin's B.S.
> in Journalism from the University of Idaho, cause, you know, that's
> it. What was her GPA?

You coulda just stopped at "Sara Palin's B.S."

[[email protected]]

Agreed, not everyone can gain entry to college using of family
connections, and then finish 5th from the bottom of their class of
900. Oh wait...that was John McCain.

[TheTruth[_3_]]

Like I have said the "Kissing the Black Ass" pandemic has removed any
reason or logic behind the masses and their march toward socialism and
economic disaster.

I really don't care if America elects Obama. It will just hasten the
coming economic race war that is brewing. It is just a matter of time.

America will reap what they sow if they elect the Marxist Muslim called
Obama. Millions upon millions of "White" Americans will disconnect from
our Government and refuse to pay taxes. That will only hasten our downfall.

Remember however if you say anything bad about the Black Messiah you are
"Racist" and a "Goober" and a "Redneck" and a "Klan member" and a
"Inbred hick" etc. etc. etc.

Comrade

Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners

[MC[_2_]]

go back to the backwoods neo-con.

On Oct 6, 10:41*am, TheTruth > wrote:
> Like I have said the "Kissing the Black Ass" pandemic has removed any
> reason or logic behind the masses and their march toward socialism and
> economic disaster.
>
> I really don't care if America elects Obama. It will just hasten the
> coming economic race war that is brewing. It is just a matter of time.
>
> America will reap what they sow if they elect the Marxist Muslim called
> Obama. Millions upon millions of "White" Americans will disconnect from
> our Government and refuse to pay taxes. That will only hasten our downfall.
>
> Remember however if you say anything bad about the Black Messiah you are
> "Racist" and a "Goober" and a "Redneck" and a "Klan member" and a
> "Inbred hick" etc. etc. etc.
>
> Comrade
>
> Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners

[TheTruth[_3_]]

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin:
"argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying
to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a
characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim,
rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing
evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the
claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to
change the subject.

MC wrote:
> go back to the backwoods neo-con.
>
> On Oct 6, 10:41 am, TheTruth > wrote:
>> Like I have said the "Kissing the Black Ass" pandemic has removed any
>> reason or logic behind the masses and their march toward socialism and
>> economic disaster.
>>
>> I really don't care if America elects Obama. It will just hasten the
>> coming economic race war that is brewing. It is just a matter of time.
>>
>> America will reap what they sow if they elect the Marxist Muslim called
>> Obama. Millions upon millions of "White" Americans will disconnect from
>> our Government and refuse to pay taxes. That will only hasten our downfall.
>>
>> Remember however if you say anything bad about the Black Messiah you are
>> "Racist" and a "Goober" and a "Redneck" and a "Klan member" and a
>> "Inbred hick" etc. etc. etc.
>>
>> Comrade
>>
>> Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners
>

[BJ]

On Oct 6, 10:41*am, TheTruth > wrote:
> Like I have said the "Kissing the Black Ass" pandemic has removed any
> reason or logic behind the masses and their march toward socialism and
> economic disaster.
>
> I really don't care if America elects Obama. It will just hasten the
> coming economic race war that is brewing. It is just a matter of time.
>
> America will reap what they sow if they elect the Marxist Muslim called
> Obama. Millions upon millions of "White" Americans will disconnect from
> our Government and refuse to pay taxes. That will only hasten our downfall.
>
> Remember however if you say anything bad about the Black Messiah you are
> "Racist" and a "Goober" and a "Redneck" and a "Klan member" and a
> "Inbred hick" etc. etc. etc.
>
> Comrade
>
> Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners

no way this guy is good at frizz.

[A Man Beaten by Jacks]

On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:29:37 -0700 (PDT), Pete
> wrote:

>I see your Obama's academic records, and raise you Sarah Palin's B.S.
>in Journalism from the University of Idaho, cause, you know, that's
>it. What was her GPA?

Considering he graduated magna cum laude from Harvard, I wonder what
they're expecting to find. That he flunked phys ed? Oh, wait, they
don't have that in law school.

Probably they're whining about his undergrad years, where he
supposedly got a horrible 3.3 GPA because he was getting stoned all
the time. So 3.3 is what he gets stoned off his ass. Better than
McCain ever got.

[Troll crosspost retained for sheer what the **** value]

[[email protected]]

I think the real question on everyone's minds, especially for RSDers,
is who would win a game of Ultimate the Macain/Palin team called
"Lipstick On A Maverick" or an Obama/Biden team called "What Did Joe
Just Say?!". I think it's a toss up. On one hand you have Obama's
youth and height which makes him a deep threat, then again, Macain is
a tough OG and he would probably foul the **** out of people. Palin's
Hockey Mom skills probably don't transfer over and Biden is probably
only good for getting **** faced and being really funny at the party.
I wonder who else would fill in the rosters? Hilary definitely wants
in if its going to be televised and I bet you that Joe Lieberman would
be down to play just because he's got nothing better to do. How does
everyone else think this will pan out? It might be a good way to see
who could best lead the country in the future, because who ever wins
must want it more than the losers. I think this would settle the above
debate for sure.

[Mike]

"TheTruth" > wrote in message
...
> Remember however if you say anything bad about the Black Messiah you are
> "Racist" and a "Goober" and a "Redneck" and a "Klan member" and a "Inbred
> hick" etc. etc. etc.

Regardless of what you say about Obama, you're still all of the above, JJ.

This is a real video of JJ. His name is John Allen Johnson and he lost his
FAA job due to drug use. Imagine how big of a loser you have to be to give
up a $50-75K job because you can't put down the crack pipe. Now he is
nothing more than a malcontent who spreads his racist filth on usenet.

http://jaycut.com/mix/22940/preview

The "Truth" hurts, doesn't it, JJ?

[Jim Mallon]

On Oct 6, 8:41*am, TheTruth > wrote:

>
> Remember however if you say anything bad about the Black Messiah you are
> "Racist" and a "Goober" and a "Redneck" and a "Klan member" and a
> "Inbred hick" etc. etc. etc.
>

We're just calling a spade a spade you racist, redneck, inbred,
goober, KKK a-hole.

[jacob]

"replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to
a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim,
rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing
evidence against the claim."

Funny, this is exactly what the Republicans will be doing in Florida
for the next few weeks with regards to Obama and his arguments.

By the way, your nickname is a bit self-flattering. "The Truth"?
C'mon.

[MC[_2_]]

Ad hominem or not, this is SPAM. So, I will continue to label it as
such. Thanks for patronizing me and explaining ad hominem. I'm glad
you were able to look it up on wikipedia so quickly.

On Oct 6, 11:10*am, TheTruth > wrote:
> An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin:
> "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying
> to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a
> characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim,
> rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing
> evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the
> claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to
> change the subject.
>
> MC wrote:
> > go back to the backwoods neo-con.
>
> > On Oct 6, 10:41 am, TheTruth > wrote:
> >> Like I have said the "Kissing the Black Ass" pandemic has removed any
> >> reason or logic behind the masses and their march toward socialism and
> >> economic disaster.
>
> >> I really don't care if America elects Obama. It will just hasten the
> >> coming economic race war that is brewing. It is just a matter of time.
>
> >> America will reap what they sow if they elect the Marxist Muslim called
> >> Obama. Millions upon millions of "White" Americans will disconnect from
> >> our Government and refuse to pay taxes. That will only hasten our downfall.
>
> >> Remember however if you say anything bad about the Black Messiah you are
> >> "Racist" and a "Goober" and a "Redneck" and a "Klan member" and a
> >> "Inbred hick" etc. etc. etc.
>
> >> Comrade
>
> >> Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners

[TheTruth[_3_]]

MC wrote:
> Ad hominem or not, this is SPAM. So, I will continue to label it as
> such. Thanks for patronizing me and explaining ad hominem. I'm glad
> you were able to look it up on wikipedia so quickly.
>
> On Oct 6, 11:10 am, TheTruth > wrote:
>> An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin:
>> "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying
>> to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a
>> characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim,
>> rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing
>> evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the
>> claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to
>> change the subject.
>>
>> MC wrote:
>>> go back to the backwoods neo-con.
>>> On Oct 6, 10:41 am, TheTruth > wrote:
>>>> Like I have said the "Kissing the Black Ass" pandemic has removed any
>>>> reason or logic behind the masses and their march toward socialism and
>>>> economic disaster.
>>>> I really don't care if America elects Obama. It will just hasten the
>>>> coming economic race war that is brewing. It is just a matter of time.
>>>> America will reap what they sow if they elect the Marxist Muslim called
>>>> Obama. Millions upon millions of "White" Americans will disconnect from
>>>> our Government and refuse to pay taxes. That will only hasten our downfall.
>>>> Remember however if you say anything bad about the Black Messiah you are
>>>> "Racist" and a "Goober" and a "Redneck" and a "Klan member" and a
>>>> "Inbred hick" etc. etc. etc.
>>>> Comrade
>>>> Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners
>

If you fry SPAM and put a little mustard
on the SPAM it tastes rather good

[Mike]

"jacob" > wrote in message
...
> "replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to
> a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim,
> rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing
> evidence against the claim."
>
> Funny, this is exactly what the Republicans will be doing in Florida
> for the next few weeks with regards to Obama and his arguments.
>
> By the way, your nickname is a bit self-flattering. "The Truth"?
> C'mon.

His real name is John Johnson, but he's also known as the village idiot of
RAP.

If you have the stomach for it, this is a real video of what he looks like:

http://jaycut.com/mix/22940/preview

[BJ]

On Oct 6, 2:48*pm, "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote:
> "jacob" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > "replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to
> > a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim,
> > rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing
> > evidence against the claim."
>
> > Funny, this is exactly what the Republicans will be doing in Florida
> > for the next few weeks with regards to Obama and his arguments.
>
> > By the way, your nickname is a bit self-flattering. *"The Truth"?
> > C'mon.
>
> His real name is John Johnson, but he's also known as the village idiot of
> RAP.
>
> If you have the stomach for it, this is a real video of what he looks like:
>
> http://jaycut.com/mix/22940/preview

so that's how american heroes spend their time.

[Mike]

"BJ" > wrote in message
...
> On Oct 6, 2:48 pm, "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote:
> > "jacob" > wrote in message
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > "replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to
> > > a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim,
> > > rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing
> > > evidence against the claim."
> >
> > > Funny, this is exactly what the Republicans will be doing in Florida
> > > for the next few weeks with regards to Obama and his arguments.
> >
> > > By the way, your nickname is a bit self-flattering. "The Truth"?
> > > C'mon.
> >
> > His real name is John Johnson, but he's also known as the village idiot
> > of
> > RAP.
> >
> > If you have the stomach for it, this is a real video of what he looks
> > like:
> >
> > http://jaycut.com/mix/22940/preview
>
> so that's how american heroes spend their time.

When you get canned from your job because you're a drug addict, what else
are you going to do?

[Jim Mallon]

On Oct 6, 12:09*pm, jacob > wrote:

>
> By the way, your nickname is a bit self-flattering. *"The Truth"?
> C'mon.

There's only one Truth. He played for Double. Handle it.

[BJ]

On Oct 6, 3:31*pm, "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote:
> "BJ" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > On Oct 6, 2:48 pm, "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote:
> > > "jacob" > wrote in message
>
> > ....
>
> > > > "replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to
> > > > a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim,
> > > > rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing
> > > > evidence against the claim."
>
> > > > Funny, this is exactly what the Republicans will be doing in Florida
> > > > for the next few weeks with regards to Obama and his arguments.
>
> > > > By the way, your nickname is a bit self-flattering. "The Truth"?
> > > > C'mon.
>
> > > His real name is John Johnson, but he's also known as the village idiot
> > > of
> > > RAP.
>
> > > If you have the stomach for it, this is a real video of what he looks
> > > like:
>
> > >http://jaycut.com/mix/22940/preview
>
> > so that's how american heroes spend their time.
>
> When you get canned from your job because you're a drug addict, what else
> are you going to do?

you think he ate those dogs?

[Mike]

"BJ" > wrote in message
...
> On Oct 6, 3:31 pm, "Mike" <nospam@ microsoft.com> wrote:
> > > > If you have the stomach for it, this is a real video of what he
> > > > looks
> > > > like:
> >
> > > >http://jaycut.com/mix/22940/preview
> >
> > > so that's how american heroes spend their time.
> >
> > When you get canned from your job because you're a drug addict, what
> > else
> > are you going to do?
>
> you think he ate those dogs?

Perhaps with a bit of mustard.

[jacob]

"There's only one Truth. He played for Double. Handle it."

For the record, we are talking about John "Truth" Knuth. He played
for Tsunami, Double Happiness and Saucy Jack. Easily one of the top
50 throwers of all time.

[Ian B MacLure]

Fergit the college records.
I wanna see his birth certificate.
He could shut down all the speculation by releasing it
and yet he doesn't. What one wonders is he hiding.
I suspect its his real name.

Stanley Urkel Obama

[Pepe Papon]

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:21:28 -0500, Ian B MacLure >
wrote:

>
> Fergit the college records.
> I wanna see his birth certificate.
> He could shut down all the speculation by releasing it
> and yet he doesn't. What one wonders is he hiding.
> I suspect its his real name.
>
> Stanley Urkel Obama

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

TheTruth > wrote in
:

> An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin:
> "argument to the man",

That's right, fjukkktard.

That's all you got.



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

TheTruth > wrote in
:

> MC wrote:
>> Ad hominem or not, this is SPAM. So, I will continue to label it as
>> such. Thanks for patronizing me and explaining ad hominem. I'm glad
>> you were able to look it up on wikipedia so quickly.
>>
>> On Oct 6, 11:10 am, TheTruth > wrote:
>>> An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin:
>>> "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of
>>> replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing
>>> to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or
>>> claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or
>>> producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or
>>> disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad
>>> hominem works to change the subject.
>>>
>>> MC wrote:
>>>> go back to the backwoods neo-con.
>>>> On Oct 6, 10:41 am, TheTruth > wrote:
>>>>> Like I have said the "Kissing the Black Ass" pandemic has removed
>>>>> any reason or logic behind the masses and their march toward
>>>>> socialism and economic disaster.
>>>>> I really don't care if America elects Obama. It will just hasten
>>>>> the coming economic race war that is brewing. It is just a matter
>>>>> of time. America will reap what they sow if they elect the Marxist
>>>>> Muslim called Obama. Millions upon millions of "White" Americans
>>>>> will disconnect from our Government and refuse to pay taxes. That
>>>>> will only hasten our downfall. Remember however if you say
>>>>> anything bad about the Black Messiah you are "Racist" and a
>>>>> "Goober" and a "Redneck" and a "Klan member" and a "Inbred hick"
>>>>> etc. etc. etc. Comrade
>>>>> Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners
>>
>
> If you fry SPAM and put a little mustard
> on the SPAM it tastes rather good
>

Specially if you've been smoking, eh luserboi?


Bertie

[ObamaCultExposed]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> TheTruth > wrote in
> :
>
>> MC wrote:
>>> Ad hominem or not, this is SPAM. So, I will continue to label it as
>>> such. Thanks for patronizing me and explaining ad hominem. I'm glad
>>> you were able to look it up on wikipedia so quickly.
>>>
>>> On Oct 6, 11:10 am, TheTruth > wrote:
>>>> An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin:
>>>> "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of
>>>> replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing
>>>> to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or
>>>> claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or
>>>> producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or
>>>> disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad
>>>> hominem works to change the subject.
>>>>
>>>> MC wrote:
>>>>> go back to the backwoods neo-con.
>>>>> On Oct 6, 10:41 am, TheTruth > wrote:
>>>>>> Like I have said the "Kissing the Black Ass" pandemic has removed
>>>>>> any reason or logic behind the masses and their march toward
>>>>>> socialism and economic disaster.
>>>>>> I really don't care if America elects Obama. It will just hasten
>>>>>> the coming economic race war that is brewing. It is just a matter
>>>>>> of time. America will reap what they sow if they elect the Marxist
>>>>>> Muslim called Obama. Millions upon millions of "White" Americans
>>>>>> will disconnect from our Government and refuse to pay taxes. That
>>>>>> will only hasten our downfall. Remember however if you say
>>>>>> anything bad about the Black Messiah you are "Racist" and a
>>>>>> "Goober" and a "Redneck" and a "Klan member" and a "Inbred hick"
>>>>>> etc. etc. etc. Comrade
>>>>>> Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners
>> If you fry SPAM and put a little mustard
>> on the SPAM it tastes rather good
>>
>
> Specially if you've been smoking, eh luserboi?
>
>
> Bertie

Smoking what?
Can you smoke SPAM?

[Bryan[_5_]]

jacob > wrote:
> Yeah, anyone can edit Harvard Law Review.

A good point, but it does not go far enough. The Harvard Law Review
has several editors at any time, but only one president.

What college student honor surpasses being elected president of The
Harvard Law Review?

Like Barack Obama, I received an honor in college, but in my case The
New York Times chose not to cover it.


--
--Bryan

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

ObamaCultExposed > wrote in news:aYLGk.1908$tu5.949
@newsfe09.iad:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> TheTruth > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> MC wrote:
>>>> Ad hominem or not, this is SPAM. So, I will continue to label it
as
>>>> such. Thanks for patronizing me and explaining ad hominem. I'm
glad
>>>> you were able to look it up on wikipedia so quickly.
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 6, 11:10 am, TheTruth > wrote:
>>>>> An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem
(Latin:
>>>>> "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of
>>>>> replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing
>>>>> to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or
>>>>> claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or
>>>>> producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or
>>>>> disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad
>>>>> hominem works to change the subject.
>>>>>
>>>>> MC wrote:
>>>>>> go back to the backwoods neo-con.
>>>>>> On Oct 6, 10:41 am, TheTruth > wrote:
>>>>>>> Like I have said the "Kissing the Black Ass" pandemic has
removed
>>>>>>> any reason or logic behind the masses and their march toward
>>>>>>> socialism and economic disaster.
>>>>>>> I really don't care if America elects Obama. It will just hasten
>>>>>>> the coming economic race war that is brewing. It is just a
matter
>>>>>>> of time. America will reap what they sow if they elect the
Marxist
>>>>>>> Muslim called Obama. Millions upon millions of "White" Americans
>>>>>>> will disconnect from our Government and refuse to pay taxes.
That
>>>>>>> will only hasten our downfall. Remember however if you say
>>>>>>> anything bad about the Black Messiah you are "Racist" and a
>>>>>>> "Goober" and a "Redneck" and a "Klan member" and a "Inbred hick"
>>>>>>> etc. etc. etc. Comrade
>>>>>>> Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners
>>> If you fry SPAM and put a little mustard
>>> on the SPAM it tastes rather good
>>>
>>
>> Specially if you've been smoking, eh luserboi?
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Smoking what?
> Can you smoke SPAM?
>

I'm sure you can. Let me know how it works out.


BTW, exactly how many drugs do you have to take to get as crazy as you
are?
I'm sure medical science would like to know. Did you keep a log, or at
least the baggies it came in?


Bertie

[Mike]

"ObamaCultExposed" > wrote in message
...
> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> TheTruth > wrote in
>> :
>>> MC wrote:
>>>> Ad hominem or not, this is SPAM. So, I will continue to label it as
>>>> such. Thanks for patronizing me and explaining ad hominem. I'm glad
>>>> you were able to look it up on wikipedia so quickly.
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 6, 11:10 am, TheTruth > wrote:
>>>>> An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin:
>>>>> "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of
>>>>> replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing
>>>>> to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or
>>>>> claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or
>>>>> producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or
>>>>> disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad
>>>>> hominem works to change the subject.
>>>>>
>>>>> MC wrote:
>>>>>> go back to the backwoods neo-con.
>>>>>> On Oct 6, 10:41 am, TheTruth > wrote:
>>>>>>> Like I have said the "Kissing the Black Ass" pandemic has removed
>>>>>>> any reason or logic behind the masses and their march toward
>>>>>>> socialism and economic disaster.
>>>>>>> I really don't care if America elects Obama. It will just hasten
>>>>>>> the coming economic race war that is brewing. It is just a matter
>>>>>>> of time. America will reap what they sow if they elect the Marxist
>>>>>>> Muslim called Obama. Millions upon millions of "White" Americans
>>>>>>> will disconnect from our Government and refuse to pay taxes. That
>>>>>>> will only hasten our downfall. Remember however if you say
>>>>>>> anything bad about the Black Messiah you are "Racist" and a
>>>>>>> "Goober" and a "Redneck" and a "Klan member" and a "Inbred hick"
>>>>>>> etc. etc. etc. Comrade
>>>>>>> Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners
>>> If you fry SPAM and put a little mustard
>>> on the SPAM it tastes rather good
>>>
>>
>> Specially if you've been smoking, eh luserboi? Bertie
>
> Smoking what?
> Can you smoke SPAM?

Fat, high, and stupid is no way to go through life, JJ.

This is a real video of JJ. His name is John Allen Johnson and he lost his
FAA job due to drug use. Imagine how big of a loser you have to be to give
up a $50-75K job because you can't put down the crack pipe. Now he is
nothing more than a malcontent who spreads his racist filth on usenet.

http://jaycut.com/mix/22940/preview

The "Truth" hurts, doesn't it, JJ?

[Gig 601Xl Builder]

Bryan wrote:
> jacob > wrote:
>> Yeah, anyone can edit Harvard Law Review.
>
> A good point, but it does not go far enough. The Harvard Law Review
> has several editors at any time, but only one president.
>
> What college student honor surpasses being elected president of The
> Harvard Law Review?
>
> Like Barack Obama, I received an honor in college, but in my case The
> New York Times chose not to cover it.
>

Well there is at least one law student named each year. Are all of these
guys and girls qualified to be President?

[jacob]

"Well there is at least one law student named each year. Are all of
these guys and girls qualified to be President?"

Nobody has said that being head editor of Harvard law review alone
makes a person qualified to be president of the U.S. It is however,
solid proof that the person is hard working and intelligent. Very
intelligent. For some voters, intelligence is regarded as one of many
important measures of whether a person is qualified to be president.

Also, if you recall, this post was an attack on Obama's academic
record. That's why I brought up the law review thing.

[Mark -Mortakai- Moran]

On Oct 5, 9:48*pm, Micky > wrote:
> Why is it important to see Obama's college records? Because the media
> has created fantasies around Obama on every issue. You should start
> dispelling them with the easiest one, i.e. the fantasy of Obama's
> "academic degrees and honors".
>
> Obama has been fighting desperately to block all access to his college
> records. *Even his public "thesis" at Columbia mysteriously
> disappeared. The media just swallowed the official Obama's "academic
> degrees and honors" without checking his actual grades, his scores on
> standardized tests, his academic writings if any, etc. All the
> decisions to admit Obama to colleges, to give him "academic degrees
> and honors" were made by a few unknown individuals. Read about the
> racial turmoil at one college where he got his "academic honors". The
> race tensions seem to follow Obama wherever he goes.
>
> If Obama's college records fail to meet the requirements for
> legitimate academic degrees and honors then Obama will be declared an
> academic fraud. Maybe then the media will start vetting Obama on other
> issues. Then we will be able to address the biggest fantasies like
> Obama's "ability to solve" the financial crisis which requires making
> executive decisions. Obama never made a single real executive decision
> in his life! How will Obama be able to attract quality people if he
> has a long history of attracting and being attracted to the worst
> kind? Any Hollywood actor can read a teleprompter and memorize talking
> points written by secret handlers.
>
> If Obama gets elected and turns the United States into a war-torn
> country like Kenya then his college records will mysteriously leak,
> but then it could be too late.
>
> I am asking everybody to request at least one major news network to
> make it an election issue. Ask others to do the same. Since Obama has
> built his political career around his "academic degrees and honors",
> all his college records (complete set of grades, scores on
> standardized tests, etc) must be released. Keep in mind that Obama's
> supporters have saturated media outlets and internet bandwidth for the
> last two years with stories of Obama's "academic degrees and honors".
> Now they viciously attack those who want to see Obama's grades and
> scores on standardized tests.
>
> Some websites to submit your requests:
> *http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/contact2
> *http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3068843
> *http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6872152/
> *http://www.cnn.com/feedback/
> *http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77538,00.html
> *http://www.cbsnews.com/
>
> Some websites to read about Obama's "academic career":
> *http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/05/obama-mythica....
> *http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&st...
> *http://www.nysun.com/new-york/obamas-years-at-columbia-are-a-mystery/....
> *http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1218710381368&pagename=JPo...
> *http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=74877
> *http://reason.com/news/show/128461.html

[Deadmoney Walking]

On Oct 6, 11:01*am, wrote:
> Agreed, not everyone can gain entry to college using of family
> connections, and then finish 5th from the bottom of their class of
> 900. Oh wait...that was John McCain.

Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?

[Glenn Dowdy[_2_]]

"Deadmoney Walking" > wrote in message
...
On Oct 6, 11:01 am, wrote:
> Agreed, not everyone can gain entry to college using of family
> connections, and then finish 5th from the bottom of their class of
> 900. Oh wait...that was John McCain.

> Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?

Until 1949, you could have been denied graduation due to the skin color of
your father, and until 1976, you could have been denied entry due to the X
or Y sperm donation of your father.

Does the color of your skin get you selected as President of the Harvard Law
Review?

Glenn D.

[Neil Gould]

Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
> Bryan wrote:
>> jacob > wrote:
>>> Yeah, anyone can edit Harvard Law Review.
>>
>> A good point, but it does not go far enough. The Harvard Law Review
>> has several editors at any time, but only one president.
>>
>> What college student honor surpasses being elected president of The
>> Harvard Law Review?
>>
>> Like Barack Obama, I received an honor in college, but in my case The
>> New York Times chose not to cover it.
>>
>
> Well there is at least one law student named each year. Are all of
> these guys and girls qualified to be President?
>
It sure beats finishing 895th out of 900 by a wide margin.

Not to mention flunking out while earning a degree in journalism.

[Mark -Mortakai- Moran]

On Oct 7, 3:05*pm, "Glenn Dowdy" > wrote:
> "Deadmoney Walking" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Oct 6, 11:01 am, wrote:
>
> > Agreed, not everyone can gain entry to college using of family
> > connections, and then finish 5th from the bottom of their class of
> > 900. Oh wait...that was John McCain.
> > Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?
>
> Until 1949, you could have been denied graduation due to the skin color of
> your father, and until 1976, you could have been denied entry due to the X
> or Y sperm donation of your father.
>
> Does the color of your skin get you selected as President of the Harvard Law
> Review?
>
> Glenn D.

[Pepe Papon]

On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:48:32 -0700 (PDT), jacob >
wrote:

>For some voters, intelligence is regarded as one of many
>important measures of whether a person is qualified to be president.

Unfortunately, many voters seem to view it as a negative.

[[email protected]]

I hear he tried to sue his way into the college series, even though he
played in an official hat tournament years ago.

[jacob]

Not half as bad as how I feel about spending $700 billion and counting
in Iraq, and billions more to imprison non-violent drug offenders who
are disproportionately Black.

Really, if you want to hate Black folks, please don't hide behind the
mask of fiscal conservation. You're happy to spend money on dark
people, as long as the money is spent to kill or imprison them instead
of helping them, right? So just have the balls to say that.

[Matt Barrow[_6_]]

"Gig 601Xl Builder" > wrote in message
m...
> Bryan wrote:
>> jacob > wrote:
>>> Yeah, anyone can edit Harvard Law Review.
>>
>> A good point, but it does not go far enough. The Harvard Law Review
>> has several editors at any time, but only one president.

Which is, essentially, a popularity contest.
>>
>> What college student honor surpasses being elected president of The
>> Harvard Law Review?

Valedictorian.

>>
>> Like Barack Obama, I received an honor in college, but in my case The
>> New York Times chose not to cover it.

Were you also the first and only to publish ZERO work? Also, were you the
first and only NEVER to have your work quoted?

>>
>
> Well there is at least one law student named each year. Are all of these
> guys and girls qualified to be President?

Yes...all at the same time.

[Micky]

On Oct 6, 12:30*pm, A Man Beaten by Jacks > wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:29:37 -0700 (PDT), Pete
>
> > wrote:
> >I see your Obama's academic records, and raise you Sarah Palin's B.S.
> >in Journalism from the University of Idaho, cause, you know, that's
> >it. What was her GPA?
>
> Considering he graduated magna cum laude from Harvard, I wonder what
> they're expecting to find. *That he flunked phys ed? *Oh, wait, they
> don't have that in law school.
>

How about checking whether Obama's "Magna" was the same as real Magna?
If Harvard does not follow its own admission standards then what makes
you think that Harvard follows requirements for Magna.

Do not lecture anybody on honors received by Obama types. To be an
editor of HLR is also an honor and Obama was an "editor". Real editors
of HLR are known to publish academic work, Obama never published any
work. Real editors of HLR are known to have good grades, Harvard had a
special program for Blacks to get around it.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

Micky > wrote in news:87f0e2bf-c174-49c2-8c2c-
:

> On Oct 6, 12:30*pm, A Man Beaten by Jacks > wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:29:37 -0700 (PDT), Pete
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >I see your Obama's academic records, and raise you Sarah Palin's B.S.
>> >in Journalism from the University of Idaho, cause, you know, that's
>> >it. What was her GPA?
>>
>> Considering he graduated magna cum laude from Harvard, I wonder what
>> they're expecting to find. *That he flunked phys ed? *Oh, wait, they
>> don't have that in law school.
>>
>
> How about checking whether Obama's "Magna" was the same as real Magna?
> If Harvard does not follow its own admission standards then what makes
> you think that Harvard follows requirements for Magna.
>
> Do not lecture anybody on honors received by Obama types. To be an
> editor of HLR is also an honor and Obama was an "editor". Real editors
> of HLR are known to publish academic work, Obama never published any
> work. Real editors of HLR are known to have good grades, Harvard had a
> special program for Blacks to get around it.
>

Give up, you're ****ed now.


OTOH, it will be enetetaining to hear you whine like this for the next 4+
years.


Bertie

[Gig 601Xl Builder]

jacob wrote:
> "Well there is at least one law student named each year. Are all of
> these guys and girls qualified to be President?"
>
> Nobody has said that being head editor of Harvard law review alone
> makes a person qualified to be president of the U.S. It is however,
> solid proof that the person is hard working and intelligent. Very
> intelligent. For some voters, intelligence is regarded as one of many
> important measures of whether a person is qualified to be president.

That means he did well in Law School. I know lots of people that were
good in school including law school that have a hard time making it in
the real world.

[A Man Beaten by Jacks]

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 02:17:58 -0700 (PDT), Micky >
wrote:

>Do not lecture anybody on honors received by Obama types. To be an
>editor of HLR is also an honor and Obama was an "editor". Real editors
>of HLR are known to publish academic work, Obama never published any
>work. Real editors of HLR are known to have good grades, Harvard had a
>special program for Blacks to get around it.

Remember to save up some of those tears. You'll need them for the
next eight years.

BWAHAHAHA!

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote:

> Fjukkktjarrdsland

Haw!

So *that's* where they come from!

Can't we build a wall or something?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Dan Luke" > wrote in
m:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote:
>
>> Fjukkktjarrdsland
>
> Haw!
>
> So *that's* where they come from!
>
> Can't we build a wall or something?



They'll just head butt it til a hole forms....


Bertie
>
>

[[email protected]]

On Oct 7, 5:23*pm, Deadmoney Walking > wrote:

> Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?

actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his application to
Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone. Unlike
McCain...

[Bob Fry]

I think she bought her degree at KMart. Why won't she release her records??
--
Nothing except a battle lost can be half as melancholy as a battle
won.
~ Duke of Wellington

[Neil Gould]

wrote:
> On Oct 7, 5:23 pm, Deadmoney Walking > wrote:
>
>> Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?
>
> actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his application to
> Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone. Unlike
> McCain...
>
Who not only didn't get into Havard, but finished 5th from last at the Naval
Academy.

[A Man Beaten by Jacks]

On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:39:10 -0700, Bob Fry >
wrote:

>I think she bought her degree at KMart. Why won't she release her records??

You don't really need to know much more than that she had to go to
five schools over six years to get a four year degree. What could be
in the record that would make it any worse?

[Pepe Papon]

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 02:17:58 -0700 (PDT), Micky >
wrote:

>How about checking whether Obama's "Magna" was the same as real Magna?
>If Harvard does not follow its own admission standards then what makes
>you think that Harvard follows requirements for Magna.

What makes you think it doesnt?

>Do not lecture anybody on honors received by Obama types. To be an
>editor of HLR is also an honor and Obama was an "editor". Real editors
>of HLR are known to publish academic work, Obama never published any
>work. Real editors of HLR are known to have good grades, Harvard had a
>special program for Blacks to get around it.

Nevermind proof, how about a shred of evidence?

[Pepe Papon]

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:28:24 -0700, "Neil Gould"
> wrote:

wrote:
>> On Oct 7, 5:23 pm, Deadmoney Walking > wrote:
>>
>>> Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?
>>
>> actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his application to
>> Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone. Unlike
>> McCain...
>>
>Who not only didn't get into Havard, but finished 5th from last at the Naval
>Academy.

....and who crashed three planes before getting shot down over Vietnam.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-aviator6-2008oct06,0,7633315.story

[Deadmoney Walking]

On Oct 8, 11:46*am, wrote:
> On Oct 7, 5:23*pm, Deadmoney Walking > wrote:
>
> > Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?
>
> actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his application to
> Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone. Unlike
> McCain...

Sure. Just like he got hired as a law professor with no publications,
just his "qualifications"

Are they Hope and Change?

[frank]

snip
>
> Were you also the first and only to publish ZERO work? Also, were you the
> first and only NEVER to have your work quoted?
>
>
>
> > Well there is at least one law student named each year. Are all of these
> > guys and girls qualified to be President?
>
> Yes...all at the same time.

Hate to tell you this, 85% of published work never gets cited. Which
is why its called publish or perish. Some fields are worse than
others, engineering for example.

Right now, phones are running off the hook for PhDs who can understand
what the hell is going on in the market. Wife will be in an article in
Phoenix of all places this weekend over city expenditures. Some
project been going on for years. How the heck he got her phone #, will
need to find out.

Another guy in the dept was quoted, phone is ringing off the hook.
Think he's a management type so take it with a grain of salt. As far
as finance, take it with a big bag of salt. Then again, probably a
truckload.

Saw where most of trades today were automated trading. Jeez, didn't
they have the problem BEFORE????? Not that they'd FIX it?....

I think we're in for a wild E Ticket Ride. So that's where Mr Toad's
Wild Ride went.....

[Jack[_1_]]

wrote:

> actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his application to
> Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone.


Without a personal interview?

Without any contact with any intermediary between the school and
Obama?

I think it unlikely.


Jack

[Mike]

"Jack" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>
>> actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his application to
>> Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone.
>
>
> Without a personal interview?
>
> Without any contact with any intermediary between the school and Obama?
>
> I think it unlikely.

Let's examine what you "think" for a moment. Let's assume that what you
"think" is accurate (even though there is no evidence to support it). The
very worst you could say about Obama was he got an advantage he did not seek
out. Meanwhile McCain sought out the very institution he KNEW he would be
provided with an advantage based on the fact that both his father and
grandfather were admirals in the Navy. Furthermore he continued to use that
advantage throughout his tenure at Annapolis. It's unlikely he would have
been allowed to stay based on his grades and conduct if not for that
advantage.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ microsoft.com> wrote in
:

> "Jack" > wrote in message
> ...
>> wrote:
>>
>>> actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his application
>>> to Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone.
>>
>>
>> Without a personal interview?
>>
>> Without any contact with any intermediary between the school and
>> Obama?
>>
>> I think it unlikely.
>
> Let's examine what you "think" for a moment. Let's assume that what
> you "think" is accurate (even though there is no evidence to support
> it). The very worst you could say about Obama was he got an advantage
> he did not seek out. Meanwhile McCain sought out the very institution
> he KNEW he would be provided with an advantage based on the fact that
> both his father and grandfather were admirals in the Navy.
> Furthermore he continued to use that advantage throughout his tenure
> at Annapolis. It's unlikely he would have been allowed to stay based
> on his grades and conduct if not for that advantage.
>
>

What's most disappointing abuot this is that when i was told as a child
"you'll never get to be presidinet if you ony get C's" it was all a lie...


Bertie

[frank]

On Oct 8, 8:06*am, Gig 601Xl Builder >
wrote:
> jacob wrote:
> > "Well there is at least one law student named each year. Are all of
> > these guys and girls qualified to be President?"
>
> > Nobody has said that being head editor of Harvard law review alone
> > makes a person qualified to be president of the U.S. *It is however,
> > solid proof that the person is hard working and intelligent. *Very
> > intelligent. *For some voters, intelligence is regarded as one of many
> > important measures of whether a person is qualified to be president.
>
> That means he did well in Law School. I know lots of people that were
> good in school including law school that have a hard time making it in
> the real world.

Except he came back and taught in law school. And if you read any of
the news reports on his years teaching, they say he was a really good
teacher, was fair, looked at both sides of the argument, made them
think. Made them think about what is involved in the case, not just
the law.

Sounds better than some of the professors I had in college, and a lot
better than most in my PhD program.

Then you look at him on the campaign trail, yeah, I'd say he got
educated.

Start comparing that to McCain or Palin they come up short.

[frank]

On Oct 10, 11:20*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> "Mike" <nospam @ microsoft.com> wrote :
>
>
>
> > "Jack" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his application
> >>> to Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone.
>
> >> Without a personal interview?
>
> >> Without any contact with any intermediary between the school and
> >> Obama?
>
> >> I think it unlikely.
>
> > Let's examine what you "think" for a moment. *Let's assume that what
> > you "think" is accurate (even though there is no evidence to support
> > it). *The very worst you could say about Obama was he got an advantage
> > he did not seek out. *Meanwhile McCain sought out the very institution
> > he KNEW he would be provided with an advantage based on the fact that
> > both his father and grandfather were admirals in the Navy.
> > Furthermore he continued to use that advantage throughout his tenure
> > at Annapolis. *It's unlikely he would have been allowed to stay based
> > on his grades and conduct if not for that advantage.
>
> What's most disappointing abuot this is that when i was told as a child
> "you'll never get to be presidinet if you ony get C's" it was all a lie....
>
> Bertie

Heck after Bush, I remember as a kid being told 'anybody can be
president', sure worked with him. Keeerriiisst.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"frank" > wrote

>> That means he did well in Law School. I know lots of people that were
>> good in school including law school that have a hard time making it in
>> the real world.

>Except he came back and taught in law school.

Interesting that you got the impression that he did well in law school.

You know, arguing politics and the qualifications of candidates is a lot
like arguing religion.

You can find a reason to make a case for about anything you want to put
forth as your belief.

This is the case with a comparison of Obama vs. McCain.

Another fact about arguing politics or religion is that once you hold a
belief, nobody is going to change that belief, no matter what is said in
support of one side vs. another.

My belief on this presidential race is that we need a do-over. Neither
candidate is going to be a good president, most likely.

For the do-over, have 2 rounds of primaries, all on the same days throughout
the country. I didn't get to choose who was going to be nominated to run.
It was decided by the time it got to my state.

That is unconstitutional, in my view. It needs to be changed, badly.

I know that this will never change, or it will not for a good long while,
but I can hope!
--
Jim in NC

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

frank > wrote in
:

> On Oct 10, 11:20*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> "Mike" <nospam @ microsoft.com> wrote
>>
> nilink.net:
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Jack" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >>> actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his
>> >>> application to Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications
>> >>> alone.
>>
>> >> Without a personal interview?
>>
>> >> Without any contact with any intermediary between the school and
>> >> Obama?
>>
>> >> I think it unlikely.
>>
>> > Let's examine what you "think" for a moment. *Let's assume that
>> > what you "think" is accurate (even though there is no evidence to
>> > support it). *The very worst you could say about Obama was he got
>> > an advantag
> e
>> > he did not seek out. *Meanwhile McCain sought out the very
>> > institutio
> n
>> > he KNEW he would be provided with an advantage based on the fact
>> > that both his father and grandfather were admirals in the Navy.
>> > Furthermore he continued to use that advantage throughout his
>> > tenure at Annapolis. *It's unlikely he would have been allowed to
>> > stay based on his grades and conduct if not for that advantage.
>>
>> What's most disappointing abuot this is that when i was told as a
>> child "you'll never get to be presidinet if you ony get C's" it was
>> all a lie..
> .
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Heck after Bush, I remember as a kid being told 'anybody can be
> president', sure worked with him. Keeerriiisst.
>
After him it was more like anything can be president.


I'm thinking of running my Old Volvo next time around.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Morgans" > wrote in :

>
> "frank" > wrote


> That is unconstitutional, in my view. It needs to be changed, badly.


if it needs to be changed badly, they should definitely get you to do it.




Bertie

[Pepe Papon]

On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:06:13 -0500, Gig 601Xl Builder
> wrote:

>jacob wrote:
>> "Well there is at least one law student named each year. Are all of
>> these guys and girls qualified to be President?"
>>
>> Nobody has said that being head editor of Harvard law review alone
>> makes a person qualified to be president of the U.S. It is however,
>> solid proof that the person is hard working and intelligent. Very
>> intelligent. For some voters, intelligence is regarded as one of many
>> important measures of whether a person is qualified to be president.
>
>That means he did well in Law School. I know lots of people that were
>good in school including law school that have a hard time making it in
>the real world.

Surely, you're not going to suggest that Obama falls into that
category.

[David E. Powell]

On Oct 8, 3:28*pm, "Neil Gould" > wrote:
> wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 5:23 pm, Deadmoney Walking > wrote:
>
> >> Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?
>
> > actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his application to
> > Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone. Unlike
> > McCain...
>
> Who not only didn't get into Havard, but finished 5th from last at the Naval
> Academy.

And unlike Obama we know this. Notice that with McCain they find
people going back to grade school who talk freely about him, people
know where he has stood since he was a kid. With Obama his career
seems to start when he got elected Senator and started running for
President. So does his whole biography. We hear "Community Organizer."
OK. Organizing a community for what? Working with who? To what ends?
These things are not covered. The Democratic party papers that all
over and the media seems fine with it. Never mind his law career
working for Franklin Raines, of Fannie Mae mismanagement infamy (also
someone Obama had on his campaign as an adviser) and never mind other
people who he may have worked with. never mind the goals they were
"organizing" for.

John Kerry, Al Gore, John McCain, Hillary Clinton, George W. Bush,
they all had pretty full biographies. Some things you might like about
them and some things no, but you knew where they stood. Obama's is
papered over in favor of pastel posters and images crafted from whole
cloth.

As for the USNA I doubt McCain wanted to go anyplace else, and most of
his leadership and service came after.

[Irish Mike]

"David E. Powell" > wrote in message
...
On Oct 8, 3:28 pm, "Neil Gould" > wrote:
> wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 5:23 pm, Deadmoney Walking > wrote:
>
> >> Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?
>
> > actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his application to
> > Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone. Unlike
> > McCain...
>
> Who not only didn't get into Havard, but finished 5th from last at the
> Naval
> Academy.

"And unlike Obama we know this. Notice that with McCain they find
people going back to grade school who talk freely about him, people
know where he has stood since he was a kid. With Obama his career
seems to start when he got elected Senator and started running for
President. So does his whole biography. We hear "Community Organizer."
OK. Organizing a community for what? Working with who? To what ends?"

Obama was an arm twister for ACORN, one of the crookedest community
shake-down groups in the country. They are currently under investigation
for voter registration fraud in more than half a dozen states. In 1977
Jimmy Carter passed the Community Reinvestment Act to force banks to make
home mortgage loans to financially unqualified miniorities in inner city
neighborhoods. They fined any bank that did not comply. ACORN was funded
by the Democrat party and helped them use "entitlement" subprime mortgage
loans to buy minority votes. ACORN harrassed, intimidated and played the
race card on any bank or finanace company that refused to make these unsound
subprime mortgage loans. Obama helped ACORN file a law suit against an
Illinois finance company to block their desired merger with another finance
compay. ACORN succressfully argued that the finance company had not made
enough subprime mortgage loans to minorities. Obama won the law suit and
banks and finance companies all across the country began lowering their
standards for subprime loans to minorities. Plus, the Democrats were
pressuring F-MAE and F-MAC to buy up more and more of these subprime home
mortgages. Then, in 1999, Bill Clinton required that F-MAE and F-MAC have
up to 50% of their investment portfolios made up of subprime mortgages.
This sent a clear message to Wall Street. And that message was that F-MAE
and F-MAC would buy up all the high risk subprimes mortgages for minorities
and low income people that the banks could write. Well the banks loved it.
They were making money from up-front mortgage processing fees from mortgages
to unqualified buyers that they would have never given a loan to in a
hundred years if F-MAE and F-MAC weren't there to buy them. Then the banks
got greedy and started bundling and reselling these subprime mortgages to
investment banks, pension funds, insurance companies and private investors.
In 2001 Bush tried to warn the country of the dangers of F-MAE and F-MAC but
no one listened and Bush didn't push the warning as hard as he should have.
John McCain wrote a warning letter, which was also ignored. In 2004, the
Republicans introduced legislation that would have prevented, or at least
greatly reduced, the impact of the subprime mortgage disaster but it was
defeated by the Democrats and never passed. Eventually the housing market
over heated from the influx of all this subprime mortgage cash and home
prices were artifically inflated. Then the market corrected itself and home
prices plunged. And what happened to all these unqualified buyers who
bought houses they couldn't afford with mortgages they were too stupid to
read?

They found themselves paying on a $250K mortgage for a house that was now
only worth $200K. What did they do? They just stopped making the mortgage
payments. They weren't worried about ruining their credit because their
credit was **** to begin with and they knew they never should have qualified
for the home mortgage in the first place. They didn't put any money down,
so they had no skin in the game. And the Democrats were telling them
theywere "victims" any way. So when the subprime mortgages began to fail,
it affected all of the other companies that had bought up these bundled and
re-sold subprime mortgages. Because they had been used as collateral for
even more loans. And then F-MAE and F-MAC, which they had thought was their
"safety-net' went bankrupt for all practical purposes and the whole
house-of-cards collapsed. The Democrats have controlled congress and
chaired all of the banking and finance committees for the past two years.
Between 8/07 and 8/08, under the "leadership" of Democrats and Barney Frank,
F-MAE and F-MAC lost 90% of their stock value.

The sad thing is that this financial disaster, which was caused by the
predatory political tactics of Obama and the Democrats, is actually going to
put them in the White House.

Irish Mike

[Mike]

"Irish Mike" > wrote in message
...
>
> "David E. Powell" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Oct 8, 3:28 pm, "Neil Gould" > wrote:
>> wrote:
>> > On Oct 7, 5:23 pm, Deadmoney Walking > wrote:
>>
>> >> Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?
>>
>> > actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his application to
>> > Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone. Unlike
>> > McCain...
>>
>> Who not only didn't get into Havard, but finished 5th from last at the
>> Naval
>> Academy.
>
> "And unlike Obama we know this. Notice that with McCain they find
> people going back to grade school who talk freely about him, people
> know where he has stood since he was a kid. With Obama his career
> seems to start when he got elected Senator and started running for
> President. So does his whole biography. We hear "Community Organizer."
> OK. Organizing a community for what? Working with who? To what ends?"
>
> Obama was an arm twister for ACORN, one of the crookedest community
> shake-down groups in the country. They are currently under investigation
> for voter registration fraud in more than half a dozen states. In 1977
> Jimmy Carter passed the Community Reinvestment Act to force banks to make
> home mortgage loans to financially unqualified miniorities in inner city
> neighborhoods. They fined any bank that did not comply. ACORN was funded
> by the Democrat party and helped them use "entitlement" subprime mortgage
> loans to buy minority votes. ACORN harrassed, intimidated and played the
> race card on any bank or finanace company that refused to make these
> unsound subprime mortgage loans. Obama helped ACORN file a law suit
> against an Illinois finance company to block their desired merger with
> another finance compay. ACORN succressfully argued that the finance
> company had not made enough subprime mortgage loans to minorities. Obama
> won the law suit and banks and finance companies all across the country
> began lowering their standards for subprime loans to minorities. Plus,
> the Democrats were pressuring F-MAE and F-MAC to buy up more and more of
> these subprime home mortgages. Then, in 1999, Bill Clinton required that
> F-MAE and F-MAC have up to 50% of their investment portfolios made up of
> subprime mortgages. This sent a clear message to Wall Street. And that
> message was that F-MAE and F-MAC would buy up all the high risk subprimes
> mortgages for minorities and low income people that the banks could write.
> Well the banks loved it. They were making money from up-front mortgage
> processing fees from mortgages to unqualified buyers that they would have
> never given a loan to in a hundred years if F-MAE and F-MAC weren't there
> to buy them. Then the banks got greedy and started bundling and reselling
> these subprime mortgages to investment banks, pension funds, insurance
> companies and private investors. In 2001 Bush tried to warn the country of
> the dangers of F-MAE and F-MAC but no one listened and Bush didn't push
> the warning as hard as he should have. John McCain wrote a warning letter,
> which was also ignored. In 2004, the Republicans introduced legislation
> that would have prevented, or at least greatly reduced, the impact of the
> subprime mortgage disaster but it was defeated by the Democrats and never
> passed. Eventually the housing market over heated from the influx of all
> this subprime mortgage cash and home prices were artifically inflated.
> Then the market corrected itself and home prices plunged. And what
> happened to all these unqualified buyers who bought houses they couldn't
> afford with mortgages they were too stupid to read?
>
> They found themselves paying on a $250K mortgage for a house that was now
> only worth $200K. What did they do? They just stopped making the
> mortgage payments. They weren't worried about ruining their credit
> because their credit was **** to begin with and they knew they never
> should have qualified for the home mortgage in the first place. They
> didn't put any money down, so they had no skin in the game. And the
> Democrats were telling them theywere "victims" any way. So when the
> subprime mortgages began to fail, it affected all of the other companies
> that had bought up these bundled and re-sold subprime mortgages. Because
> they had been used as collateral for even more loans. And then F-MAE and
> F-MAC, which they had thought was their "safety-net' went bankrupt for all
> practical purposes and the whole house-of-cards collapsed. The Democrats
> have controlled congress and chaired all of the banking and finance
> committees for the past two years. Between 8/07 and 8/08, under the
> "leadership" of Democrats and Barney Frank, F-MAE and F-MAC lost 90% of
> their stock value.
>
> The sad thing is that this financial disaster, which was caused by the
> predatory political tactics of Obama and the Democrats, is actually going
> to put them in the White House.

Fortunately most people don't subscribe to the wingnut BS that you cut and
paste without bothering to fact check the validity.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"David E. Powell" > wrote in
:

> On Oct 8, 3:28*pm, "Neil Gould" > wrote:
>> wrote:
>> > On Oct 7, 5:23 pm, Deadmoney Walking > wrote:
>>
>> >> Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?
>>
>> > actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his application
>> > to Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone. Unlike
>> > McCain...
>>
>> Who not only didn't get into Havard, but finished 5th from last at
>> the Na
> val
>> Academy.
>
> And unlike Obama we know this. Notice that with McCain they find
> people going back to grade school who talk freely about him, people
> know where he has stood since he was a kid. With Obama his career
> seems to start when he got elected Senator and started running for
> President. So does his whole biography. We hear "Community Organizer."
> OK. Organizing a community for what? Working with who? To what ends?
> These things are not covered.


Uh, yeh, they are....


Bertie

[Aratzio]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:42:26 +0000 (UTC), in the land of
alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip > got double
secret probation for writing:

>"David E. Powell" > wrote in
:
>
>> On Oct 8, 3:28*pm, "Neil Gould" > wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>> > On Oct 7, 5:23 pm, Deadmoney Walking > wrote:
>>>
>>> >> Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?
>>>
>>> > actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his application
>>> > to Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone. Unlike
>>> > McCain...
>>>
>>> Who not only didn't get into Havard, but finished 5th from last at
>>> the Na
>> val
>>> Academy.
>>
>> And unlike Obama we know this. Notice that with McCain they find
>> people going back to grade school who talk freely about him, people
>> know where he has stood since he was a kid. With Obama his career
>> seems to start when he got elected Senator and started running for
>> President. So does his whole biography. We hear "Community Organizer."
>> OK. Organizing a community for what? Working with who? To what ends?
>> These things are not covered.
>
>
>Uh, yeh, they are....
>
>
>Bertie

LIES!!! Those are retouched photos of him in grade school, High
School in Hawaii, in college in LA, New York & Mass and ALL the people
he worked with are paid liars.

REALLY it is a conspiracy by muslims to subvert the US Government.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

Aratzio > wrote in
:

> On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:42:26 +0000 (UTC), in the land of
> alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip > got double
> secret probation for writing:
>
>>"David E. Powell" > wrote in
>>news:bbb71dc6-3fff-4cda-ac8d-
:
>>
>>> On Oct 8, 3:28*pm, "Neil Gould" > wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > On Oct 7, 5:23 pm, Deadmoney Walking > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?
>>>>
>>>> > actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his
application
>>>> > to Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone.
Unlike
>>>> > McCain...
>>>>
>>>> Who not only didn't get into Havard, but finished 5th from last at
>>>> the Na
>>> val
>>>> Academy.
>>>
>>> And unlike Obama we know this. Notice that with McCain they find
>>> people going back to grade school who talk freely about him, people
>>> know where he has stood since he was a kid. With Obama his career
>>> seems to start when he got elected Senator and started running for
>>> President. So does his whole biography. We hear "Community
Organizer."
>>> OK. Organizing a community for what? Working with who? To what ends?
>>> These things are not covered.
>>
>>
>>Uh, yeh, they are....
>>
>>
>>Bertie
>
> LIES!!! Those are retouched photos of him in grade school, High
> School in Hawaii, in college in LA, New York & Mass and ALL the people
> he worked with are paid liars.
>
> REALLY it is a conspiracy by muslims to subvert the US Government.
>
>

Great, more evidence for JJ to cut and paste..


Bertie

[Irish Mike]

"Mike" <nospam @ microsoft.com> wrote in message
...
> "Irish Mike" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "David E. Powell" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> On Oct 8, 3:28 pm, "Neil Gould" > wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>> > On Oct 7, 5:23 pm, Deadmoney Walking > wrote:
>>>
>>> >> Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?
>>>
>>> > actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his application to
>>> > Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone. Unlike
>>> > McCain...
>>>
>>> Who not only didn't get into Havard, but finished 5th from last at the
>>> Naval
>>> Academy.
>>
>> "And unlike Obama we know this. Notice that with McCain they find
>> people going back to grade school who talk freely about him, people
>> know where he has stood since he was a kid. With Obama his career
>> seems to start when he got elected Senator and started running for
>> President. So does his whole biography. We hear "Community Organizer."
>> OK. Organizing a community for what? Working with who? To what ends?"
>>
>> Obama was an arm twister for ACORN, one of the crookedest community
>> shake-down groups in the country. They are currently under investigation
>> for voter registration fraud in more than half a dozen states. In 1977
>> Jimmy Carter passed the Community Reinvestment Act to force banks to make
>> home mortgage loans to financially unqualified miniorities in inner city
>> neighborhoods. They fined any bank that did not comply. ACORN was
>> funded by the Democrat party and helped them use "entitlement" subprime
>> mortgage loans to buy minority votes. ACORN harrassed, intimidated and
>> played the race card on any bank or finanace company that refused to make
>> these unsound subprime mortgage loans. Obama helped ACORN file a law
>> suit against an Illinois finance company to block their desired merger
>> with another finance compay. ACORN succressfully argued that the finance
>> company had not made enough subprime mortgage loans to minorities. Obama
>> won the law suit and banks and finance companies all across the country
>> began lowering their standards for subprime loans to minorities. Plus,
>> the Democrats were pressuring F-MAE and F-MAC to buy up more and more of
>> these subprime home mortgages. Then, in 1999, Bill Clinton required that
>> F-MAE and F-MAC have up to 50% of their investment portfolios made up of
>> subprime mortgages. This sent a clear message to Wall Street. And that
>> message was that F-MAE and F-MAC would buy up all the high risk subprimes
>> mortgages for minorities and low income people that the banks could
>> write. Well the banks loved it. They were making money from up-front
>> mortgage processing fees from mortgages to unqualified buyers that they
>> would have never given a loan to in a hundred years if F-MAE and F-MAC
>> weren't there to buy them. Then the banks got greedy and started
>> bundling and reselling these subprime mortgages to investment banks,
>> pension funds, insurance companies and private investors. In 2001 Bush
>> tried to warn the country of the dangers of F-MAE and F-MAC but no one
>> listened and Bush didn't push the warning as hard as he should have. John
>> McCain wrote a warning letter, which was also ignored. In 2004, the
>> Republicans introduced legislation that would have prevented, or at least
>> greatly reduced, the impact of the subprime mortgage disaster but it was
>> defeated by the Democrats and never passed. Eventually the housing
>> market over heated from the influx of all this subprime mortgage cash and
>> home prices were artifically inflated. Then the market corrected itself
>> and home prices plunged. And what happened to all these unqualified
>> buyers who bought houses they couldn't afford with mortgages they were
>> too stupid to read?
>>
>> They found themselves paying on a $250K mortgage for a house that was now
>> only worth $200K. What did they do? They just stopped making the
>> mortgage payments. They weren't worried about ruining their credit
>> because their credit was **** to begin with and they knew they never
>> should have qualified for the home mortgage in the first place. They
>> didn't put any money down, so they had no skin in the game. And the
>> Democrats were telling them theywere "victims" any way. So when the
>> subprime mortgages began to fail, it affected all of the other companies
>> that had bought up these bundled and re-sold subprime mortgages.
>> Because they had been used as collateral for even more loans. And then
>> F-MAE and F-MAC, which they had thought was their "safety-net' went
>> bankrupt for all practical purposes and the whole house-of-cards
>> collapsed. The Democrats have controlled congress and chaired all of the
>> banking and finance committees for the past two years. Between 8/07 and
>> 8/08, under the "leadership" of Democrats and Barney Frank, F-MAE and
>> F-MAC lost 90% of their stock value.
>>
>> The sad thing is that this financial disaster, which was caused by the
>> predatory political tactics of Obama and the Democrats, is actually going
>> to put them in the White House.
>
> Fortunately most people don't subscribe to the wingnut BS that you cut and
> paste without bothering to fact check the validity.

I didn't cut and paste any thing. But, please, point out any thing that I
said in my post that was not accurate, true and factual.

Irish Mike

[Mike]

"Irish Mike" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ microsoft.com> wrote in message
> ...
>> "Irish Mike" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "David E. Powell" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> On Oct 8, 3:28 pm, "Neil Gould" > wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > On Oct 7, 5:23 pm, Deadmoney Walking > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?
>>>>
>>>> > actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his application
>>>> > to
>>>> > Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone. Unlike
>>>> > McCain...
>>>>
>>>> Who not only didn't get into Havard, but finished 5th from last at the
>>>> Naval
>>>> Academy.
>>>
>>> "And unlike Obama we know this. Notice that with McCain they find
>>> people going back to grade school who talk freely about him, people
>>> know where he has stood since he was a kid. With Obama his career
>>> seems to start when he got elected Senator and started running for
>>> President. So does his whole biography. We hear "Community Organizer."
>>> OK. Organizing a community for what? Working with who? To what ends?"
>>>
>>> Obama was an arm twister for ACORN, one of the crookedest community
>>> shake-down groups in the country. They are currently under
>>> investigation for voter registration fraud in more than half a dozen
>>> states. In 1977 Jimmy Carter passed the Community Reinvestment Act to
>>> force banks to make home mortgage loans to financially unqualified
>>> miniorities in inner city neighborhoods. They fined any bank that did
>>> not comply. ACORN was funded by the Democrat party and helped them use
>>> "entitlement" subprime mortgage loans to buy minority votes. ACORN
>>> harrassed, intimidated and played the race card on any bank or finanace
>>> company that refused to make these unsound subprime mortgage loans.
>>> Obama helped ACORN file a law suit against an Illinois finance company
>>> to block their desired merger with another finance compay. ACORN
>>> succressfully argued that the finance company had not made enough
>>> subprime mortgage loans to minorities. Obama won the law suit and banks
>>> and finance companies all across the country began lowering their
>>> standards for subprime loans to minorities. Plus, the Democrats were
>>> pressuring F-MAE and F-MAC to buy up more and more of these subprime
>>> home mortgages. Then, in 1999, Bill Clinton required that F-MAE and
>>> F-MAC have up to 50% of their investment portfolios made up of subprime
>>> mortgages. This sent a clear message to Wall Street. And that message
>>> was that F-MAE and F-MAC would buy up all the high risk subprimes
>>> mortgages for minorities and low income people that the banks could
>>> write. Well the banks loved it. They were making money from up-front
>>> mortgage processing fees from mortgages to unqualified buyers that they
>>> would have never given a loan to in a hundred years if F-MAE and F-MAC
>>> weren't there to buy them. Then the banks got greedy and started
>>> bundling and reselling these subprime mortgages to investment banks,
>>> pension funds, insurance companies and private investors. In 2001 Bush
>>> tried to warn the country of the dangers of F-MAE and F-MAC but no one
>>> listened and Bush didn't push the warning as hard as he should have.
>>> John McCain wrote a warning letter, which was also ignored. In 2004,
>>> the Republicans introduced legislation that would have prevented, or at
>>> least greatly reduced, the impact of the subprime mortgage disaster but
>>> it was defeated by the Democrats and never passed. Eventually the
>>> housing market over heated from the influx of all this subprime mortgage
>>> cash and home prices were artifically inflated. Then the market
>>> corrected itself and home prices plunged. And what happened to all
>>> these unqualified buyers who bought houses they couldn't afford with
>>> mortgages they were too stupid to read?
>>>
>>> They found themselves paying on a $250K mortgage for a house that was
>>> now only worth $200K. What did they do? They just stopped making the
>>> mortgage payments. They weren't worried about ruining their credit
>>> because their credit was **** to begin with and they knew they never
>>> should have qualified for the home mortgage in the first place. They
>>> didn't put any money down, so they had no skin in the game. And the
>>> Democrats were telling them theywere "victims" any way. So when the
>>> subprime mortgages began to fail, it affected all of the other companies
>>> that had bought up these bundled and re-sold subprime mortgages.
>>> Because they had been used as collateral for even more loans. And then
>>> F-MAE and F-MAC, which they had thought was their "safety-net' went
>>> bankrupt for all practical purposes and the whole house-of-cards
>>> collapsed. The Democrats have controlled congress and chaired all of
>>> the banking and finance committees for the past two years. Between 8/07
>>> and 8/08, under the "leadership" of Democrats and Barney Frank, F-MAE
>>> and F-MAC lost 90% of their stock value.
>>>
>>> The sad thing is that this financial disaster, which was caused by the
>>> predatory political tactics of Obama and the Democrats, is actually
>>> going to put them in the White House.
>>
>> Fortunately most people don't subscribe to the wingnut BS that you cut
>> and paste without bothering to fact check the validity.
>
> I didn't cut and paste any thing. But, please, point out any thing that I
> said in my post that was not accurate, true and factual.

Hmmm, so let me see how your game works. You feel free to post the most
ridiculous BS without one single reference and then you think the burden of
proving your BS wrong rests with the reader? I don't really feel the
obligation to prove it's BS, but since I enjoy showing how some people are
clueless, I'll be happy to take you up on your challenge.

Here's a few instances of BS in your long winded rant that you seem
insistent on taking full credit for:

1) CRA doesn't issue fines and never has from the first day Carter signed it
through its many changes and up to today. From this alone, one can conclude
that you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

2) 80% of subprime mortgages were issued by financial institutions that
weren't covered by CRA.

3) In 2004, Republicans controlled both the executive and legislative
branches of government, yet you blame the Democrats for defeat of subprime
mortgage legislation.

4) The Democrats passed legislation increasing regulation on GSEs not long
after they took charge (after many years of Republicans failing to do so),
yet you blame Barney Frank's leadership for their losing 90% of their value
due to a problem that took many years to develop.

5) The warning letter you claim McCain "wrote", was actually written by
someone else and was signed by numerous senators, including McCain. It was
written to the Republican leadership in the US Senate urging more floor time
to debate GSE reform and it was ignored by Bill Frist (R).

6) As far as McCain "warning" anyone about anything, all you have to do is
listen to his own words:
"I don't really know of hardly anybody who, with the exception of a handful,
that said, wait a minute this thing is getting completely out of hand and is
overheating. So, I'd like to tell you I did anticipate it, but I have to
give you straight talk. I did not."
http://www.nhelects.com/NHPrimaryVideos.asp?MultiID=77&HTitle=VLTitle

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Irish Mike" > wrote in
:

>
> "Mike" <nospam @ microsoft.com> wrote in message
> ...
>> "Irish Mike" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "David E. Powell" > wrote in message
>>> news:bbb71dc6-3fff-4cda-ac8d-

>>> m... On Oct 8, 3:28 pm, "Neil Gould" > wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > On Oct 7, 5:23 pm, Deadmoney Walking > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?
>>>>
>>>> > actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his
>>>> > application to Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications
>>>> > alone. Unlike McCain...
>>>>
>>>> Who not only didn't get into Havard, but finished 5th from last at
>>>> the Naval
>>>> Academy.
>>>
>>> "And unlike Obama we know this. Notice that with McCain they find
>>> people going back to grade school who talk freely about him, people
>>> know where he has stood since he was a kid. With Obama his career
>>> seems to start when he got elected Senator and started running for
>>> President. So does his whole biography. We hear "Community
>>> Organizer." OK. Organizing a community for what? Working with who?
>>> To what ends?"
>>>
>>> Obama was an arm twister for ACORN, one of the crookedest community
>>> shake-down groups in the country. They are currently under
>>> investigation for voter registration fraud in more than half a dozen
>>> states. In 1977 Jimmy Carter passed the Community Reinvestment Act
>>> to force banks to make home mortgage loans to financially
>>> unqualified miniorities in inner city neighborhoods. They fined any
>>> bank that did not comply. ACORN was funded by the Democrat party
>>> and helped them use "entitlement" subprime mortgage loans to buy
>>> minority votes. ACORN harrassed, intimidated and played the race
>>> card on any bank or finanace company that refused to make these
>>> unsound subprime mortgage loans. Obama helped ACORN file a law
>>> suit against an Illinois finance company to block their desired
>>> merger with another finance compay. ACORN succressfully argued that
>>> the finance company had not made enough subprime mortgage loans to
>>> minorities. Obama won the law suit and banks and finance companies
>>> all across the country began lowering their standards for subprime
>>> loans to minorities. Plus, the Democrats were pressuring F-MAE and
>>> F-MAC to buy up more and more of these subprime home mortgages.
>>> Then, in 1999, Bill Clinton required that F-MAE and F-MAC have up to
>>> 50% of their investment portfolios made up of subprime mortgages.
>>> This sent a clear message to Wall Street. And that message was that
>>> F-MAE and F-MAC would buy up all the high risk subprimes mortgages
>>> for minorities and low income people that the banks could write.
>>> Well the banks loved it. They were making money from up-front
>>> mortgage processing fees from mortgages to unqualified buyers that
>>> they would have never given a loan to in a hundred years if F-MAE
>>> and F-MAC weren't there to buy them. Then the banks got greedy and
>>> started bundling and reselling these subprime mortgages to
>>> investment banks, pension funds, insurance companies and private
>>> investors. In 2001 Bush tried to warn the country of the dangers of
>>> F-MAE and F-MAC but no one listened and Bush didn't push the warning
>>> as hard as he should have. John McCain wrote a warning letter, which
>>> was also ignored. In 2004, the Republicans introduced legislation
>>> that would have prevented, or at least greatly reduced, the impact
>>> of the subprime mortgage disaster but it was defeated by the
>>> Democrats and never passed. Eventually the housing market over
>>> heated from the influx of all this subprime mortgage cash and home
>>> prices were artifically inflated. Then the market corrected itself
>>> and home prices plunged. And what happened to all these unqualified
>>> buyers who bought houses they couldn't afford with mortgages they
>>> were too stupid to read?
>>>
>>> They found themselves paying on a $250K mortgage for a house that
>>> was now only worth $200K. What did they do? They just stopped
>>> making the mortgage payments. They weren't worried about ruining
>>> their credit because their credit was **** to begin with and they
>>> knew they never should have qualified for the home mortgage in the
>>> first place. They didn't put any money down, so they had no skin in
>>> the game. And the Democrats were telling them theywere "victims"
>>> any way. So when the subprime mortgages began to fail, it affected
>>> all of the other companies that had bought up these bundled and
>>> re-sold subprime mortgages. Because they had been used as collateral
>>> for even more loans. And then F-MAE and F-MAC, which they had
>>> thought was their "safety-net' went bankrupt for all practical
>>> purposes and the whole house-of-cards collapsed. The Democrats have
>>> controlled congress and chaired all of the banking and finance
>>> committees for the past two years. Between 8/07 and 8/08, under the
>>> "leadership" of Democrats and Barney Frank, F-MAE and F-MAC lost 90%
>>> of their stock value.
>>>
>>> The sad thing is that this financial disaster, which was caused by
>>> the predatory political tactics of Obama and the Democrats, is
>>> actually going to put them in the White House.
>>
>> Fortunately most people don't subscribe to the wingnut BS that you
>> cut and paste without bothering to fact check the validity.
>
> I didn't cut and paste any thing. But, please, point out any thing
> that I said in my post that was not accurate, true and factual.


Pretty much the whole thing..


BTW, if you're actually irish, why would you care anyhow?


Bertie

[jacob]

But there has to be some way to blame big picture economic problems on
poor/lower-middle class Black people. What's the alternative? We
can't blame rich White people, can we? Fox news told me they were all
great.

[Dan[_12_]]

jacob wrote:
> But there has to be some way to blame big picture economic problems on
> poor/lower-middle class Black people. What's the alternative? We
> can't blame rich White people, can we? Fox news told me they were all
> great.

Fox news never said anything of the kind.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

Dan > wrote in :

> jacob wrote:
>> But there has to be some way to blame big picture economic problems on
>> poor/lower-middle class Black people. What's the alternative? We
>> can't blame rich White people, can we? Fox news told me they were all
>> great.
>
> Fox news never said anything of the kind.

Of course not, they just say that God kills French people as punishment for
not kissing Bush's ass.



Bertie

[Dutch[_2_]]

"David E. Powell" > wrote in message
...
On Oct 8, 3:28 pm, "Neil Gould" > wrote:
> wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 5:23 pm, Deadmoney Walking > wrote:
>
> >> Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?
>
> > actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his application to
> > Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone. Unlike
> > McCain...
>
> Who not only didn't get into Havard, but finished 5th from last at the
> Naval
> Academy.

And unlike Obama we know this. Notice that with McCain they find
people going back to grade school who talk freely about him, people
know where he has stood since he was a kid. With Obama his career
seems to start when he got elected Senator

You haven't been paying attention, there was a documentary on CNN and an
extensive article in Time, just two places I know of where his life story is
explored in detail.

[Pepe Papon]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:21:12 -0700 (PDT), "David E. Powell"
> wrote:

>On Oct 8, 3:28*pm, "Neil Gould" > wrote:
>> wrote:
>> > On Oct 7, 5:23 pm, Deadmoney Walking > wrote:
>>
>> >> Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?
>>
>> > actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his application to
>> > Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone. Unlike
>> > McCain...
>>
>> Who not only didn't get into Havard, but finished 5th from last at the Naval
>> Academy.
>
>And unlike Obama we know this.

Um, we know that Obama was Magna Cum Laude at Harvard Law School.

[Mike]

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> jacob wrote:
>> But there has to be some way to blame big picture economic problems on
>> poor/lower-middle class Black people. What's the alternative? We
>> can't blame rich White people, can we? Fox news told me they were all
>> great.
>
> Fox news never said anything of the kind.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Actually they did, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired.

On the September 18 edition of Fox News' Your World, host Neil Cavuto asked
Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA), "[W]hen you and many of your colleagues were
pushing for more minority lending and more expanded lending to folks who
heretofore couldn't get mortgages, when you were pushing homeownership ...
Are you totally without culpability here?" Cavuto later said, "I'm just
saying, I don't remember a clarion call that said, 'Fannie and Freddie are a
disaster. Loaning to minorities and risky folks is a disaster.' "

During the September 25 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, radio host
Laura Ingraham said that "the problem here is government intervention in the
free markets" and baselessly suggested that 1995 rules strengthening the CRA
"pushed all these institutions to lend to minority communities, many were
very risky loans."

[Dan[_12_]]

Mike wrote:
> "Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jacob wrote:
>>> But there has to be some way to blame big picture economic problems on
>>> poor/lower-middle class Black people. What's the alternative? We
>>> can't blame rich White people, can we? Fox news told me they were all
>>> great.
>>
>> Fox news never said anything of the kind.
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> Actually they did, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired.
>
> On the September 18 edition of Fox News' Your World, host Neil Cavuto
> asked Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA), "[W]hen you and many of your
> colleagues were pushing for more minority lending and more expanded
> lending to folks who heretofore couldn't get mortgages, when you were
> pushing homeownership ... Are you totally without culpability here?"
> Cavuto later said, "I'm just saying, I don't remember a clarion call
> that said, 'Fannie and Freddie are a disaster. Loaning to minorities and
> risky folks is a disaster.' "
>
> During the September 25 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, radio
> host Laura Ingraham said that "the problem here is government
> intervention in the free markets" and baselessly suggested that 1995
> rules strengthening the CRA "pushed all these institutions to lend to
> minority communities, many were very risky loans."

OK, show us where that says "We can't blame rich White people, can
we? Fox news told me they were all great."

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Mike]

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Mike wrote:
>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> jacob wrote:
>>>> But there has to be some way to blame big picture economic problems on
>>>> poor/lower-middle class Black people. What's the alternative? We
>>>> can't blame rich White people, can we? Fox news told me they were all
>>>> great.
>>>
>>> Fox news never said anything of the kind.
>>>
>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>
>> Actually they did, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired.
>>
>> On the September 18 edition of Fox News' Your World, host Neil Cavuto
>> asked Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA), "[W]hen you and many of your colleagues
>> were pushing for more minority lending and more expanded lending to folks
>> who heretofore couldn't get mortgages, when you were pushing
>> homeownership ... Are you totally without culpability here?" Cavuto later
>> said, "I'm just saying, I don't remember a clarion call that said,
>> 'Fannie and Freddie are a disaster. Loaning to minorities and risky folks
>> is a disaster.' "
>>
>> During the September 25 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, radio
>> host Laura Ingraham said that "the problem here is government
>> intervention in the free markets" and baselessly suggested that 1995
>> rules strengthening the CRA "pushed all these institutions to lend to
>> minority communities, many were very risky loans."
>
> OK, show us where that says "We can't blame rich White people, can we?
> Fox news told me they were all great."
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

I just did, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired, and no less than twice.

Can you figure it out on your own, or are you really that inane?

[Dan[_12_]]

Mike wrote:
> "Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Mike wrote:
>>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> jacob wrote:
>>>>> But there has to be some way to blame big picture economic problems on
>>>>> poor/lower-middle class Black people. What's the alternative? We
>>>>> can't blame rich White people, can we? Fox news told me they were all
>>>>> great.
>>>>
>>>> Fox news never said anything of the kind.
>>>>
>>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>>
>>> Actually they did, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired.
>>>
>>> On the September 18 edition of Fox News' Your World, host Neil Cavuto
>>> asked Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA), "[W]hen you and many of your
>>> colleagues were pushing for more minority lending and more expanded
>>> lending to folks who heretofore couldn't get mortgages, when you were
>>> pushing homeownership ... Are you totally without culpability here?"
>>> Cavuto later said, "I'm just saying, I don't remember a clarion call
>>> that said, 'Fannie and Freddie are a disaster. Loaning to minorities
>>> and risky folks is a disaster.' "
>>>
>>> During the September 25 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor,
>>> radio host Laura Ingraham said that "the problem here is government
>>> intervention in the free markets" and baselessly suggested that 1995
>>> rules strengthening the CRA "pushed all these institutions to lend to
>>> minority communities, many were very risky loans."
>>
>> OK, show us where that says "We can't blame rich White people, can
>> we? Fox news told me they were all great."
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> I just did, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired, and no less than twice.
>
> Can you figure it out on your own, or are you really that inane?


Assuming those are verbatim quotes then they used poor word choices.
Saying that people who can't afford to repay a loan or are at high risk
shouldn't get the loans in the first place is simply good business
regardless of ethnicity, age, sex or social status of the borrower.

Nowhere in those citations does it say anything approaching "We can't
blame rich White people, can we? Fox news told me they were all great."
It seems obvious you dislike Fox News, this is fine with me, but don't
make things up or read things into what was actually said to support
your bias.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Tech Support]

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:42:49 GMT, "Mike" <nospam @ microsoft.com>
wrote:

>"Dan" > wrote in message
...
>> Mike wrote:
>>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> jacob wrote:
>>>>> But there has to be some way to blame big picture economic problems on
>>>>> poor/lower-middle class Black people. What's the alternative? We
>>>>> can't blame rich White people, can we? Fox news told me they were all
>>>>> great.
>>>>
>>>> Fox news never said anything of the kind.
>>>>
>>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>>
>>> Actually they did, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired.
>>>
>>> On the September 18 edition of Fox News' Your World, host Neil Cavuto
>>> asked Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA), "[W]hen you and many of your colleagues
>>> were pushing for more minority lending and more expanded lending to folks
>>> who heretofore couldn't get mortgages, when you were pushing
>>> homeownership ... Are you totally without culpability here?" Cavuto later
>>> said, "I'm just saying, I don't remember a clarion call that said,
>>> 'Fannie and Freddie are a disaster. Loaning to minorities and risky folks
>>> is a disaster.' "
>>>
>>> During the September 25 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, radio
>>> host Laura Ingraham said that "the problem here is government
>>> intervention in the free markets" and baselessly suggested that 1995
>>> rules strengthening the CRA "pushed all these institutions to lend to
>>> minority communities, many were very risky loans."
>>
>> OK, show us where that says "We can't blame rich White people, can we?
>> Fox news told me they were all great."
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
>I just did, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired, and no less than twice.
>
>Can you figure it out on your own, or are you really that inane?


************************************************** *************************

Mike

Did u retire, get recalled and retire again or?????????????????

Some of us worked overtime to kept things going for you early
retirees.

Big John
AAC/USAF retired Cmd Pilot

[Leif Frandsen]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot

[Leif Frandsen]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot

[Leif Frandsen]

Leif Frandsen > wrote in news:Xns9B36CE5F928E3Leif@
62.243.74.163:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism

[Leif Frandsen]

Leif Frandsen > wrote in news:Xns9B36CE972BFC7Leif@
62.243.74.163:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism

[Leif Frandsen]

http://imageload.dk/files/02f83cf378d4de08ac1e0389904edbda.gif

[Leif Frandsen]

http://imageload.dk/files/02f83cf378d4de08ac1e0389904edbda.gif

[Leif Frandsen]

http://imageload.dk/files/8d9175b4eb221c7de5dd3c8de0b09d6a.gif

[Leif Frandsen]

http://imageload.dk/files/8d9175b4eb221c7de5dd3c8de0b09d6a.gif

[Tech Support]

On 13 Oct 2008 18:17:08 GMT, Leif Frandsen >
wrote:

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot
************************************************** ****************

Leif

Have you looked up the Etymologyof the word Mulato?

Interesting association with Arab language.

Found no association with flying however :o(

Big John

[Neil Gould]

Dutch wrote:
> "David E. Powell" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Oct 8, 3:28 pm, "Neil Gould" > wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> On Oct 7, 5:23 pm, Deadmoney Walking > wrote:
>>
>>>> Can they gain entry due to the skin color of their fathers?
>>
>>> actually, obama didn't fill out the race portion of his application
>>> to Harvard. So he got in based on his qualifications alone. Unlike
>>> McCain...
>>
>> Who not only didn't get into Havard, but finished 5th from last at
>> the Naval
>> Academy.
>
> And unlike Obama we know this. Notice that with McCain they find
> people going back to grade school who talk freely about him, people
> know where he has stood since he was a kid. With Obama his career
> seems to start when he got elected Senator
>
> You haven't been paying attention, there was a documentary on CNN and
> an extensive article in Time, just two places I know of where his
> life story is explored in detail.
>
If you don't know Obama's history by now, not only haven't you been paying
attention, but going to extremes to avoid exposure to it.

OTOH, to make this more aviation-related, I'd be curious as to whether you
would fly with McCain?

<http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-aviator6-2008oct06,0,7633315.sto
ry>

<http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_
john_mccain>

I know I wouldn't. He doesn't seem to have changed his attitude much, so,
"putting country first", I wouldn't recommend anything for the country that
I wouldn't do myself.

--
Neil

[Leif Frandsen]

Tech Support <> wrote in :

>
> Have you looked up the Etymologyof the word Mulato?
>
Nope.

Leif

[Mike]

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Mike wrote:
>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Mike wrote:
>>>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> jacob wrote:
>>>>>> But there has to be some way to blame big picture economic problems
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> poor/lower-middle class Black people. What's the alternative? We
>>>>>> can't blame rich White people, can we? Fox news told me they were
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> great.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fox news never said anything of the kind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>>>
>>>> Actually they did, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired.
>>>>
>>>> On the September 18 edition of Fox News' Your World, host Neil Cavuto
>>>> asked Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA), "[W]hen you and many of your
>>>> colleagues were pushing for more minority lending and more expanded
>>>> lending to folks who heretofore couldn't get mortgages, when you were
>>>> pushing homeownership ... Are you totally without culpability here?"
>>>> Cavuto later said, "I'm just saying, I don't remember a clarion call
>>>> that said, 'Fannie and Freddie are a disaster. Loaning to minorities
>>>> and risky folks is a disaster.' "
>>>>
>>>> During the September 25 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, radio
>>>> host Laura Ingraham said that "the problem here is government
>>>> intervention in the free markets" and baselessly suggested that 1995
>>>> rules strengthening the CRA "pushed all these institutions to lend to
>>>> minority communities, many were very risky loans."
>>>
>>> OK, show us where that says "We can't blame rich White people, can we?
>>> Fox news told me they were all great."
>>>
>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>
>> I just did, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired, and no less than twice.
>>
>> Can you figure it out on your own, or are you really that inane?
>
>
> Assuming those are verbatim quotes then they used poor word choices.

> Saying that people who can't afford to repay a loan or are at high risk
> shouldn't get the loans in the first place is simply good business
> regardless of ethnicity, age, sex or social status of the borrower.

Are you really so senseless that you thought it WAS a verbatim quote? You
should learn to read between the lines. There's volumes of information
you're missing out on.

> Nowhere in those citations does it say anything approaching "We can't
> blame rich White people, can we? Fox news told me they were all great." It
> seems obvious you dislike Fox News, this is fine with me, but don't make
> things up or read things into what was actually said to support your bias.

Well, obviously you must really be that inane. In both instances I
provided, they did not say "regardless of ethnicity, age, sex or social
status of the borrower", they clearly blamed minorities. Do you always need
such simple things explained to you, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired?

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

On Oct 13, 6:07 pm, "Mike" <nospam @ microsoft.com> wrote:
> "Dan" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > Mike wrote:
> >> "Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>> Mike wrote:
> >>>> "Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>> jacob wrote:
> >>>>>> But there has to be some way to blame big picture economic problems
> >>>>>> on
> >>>>>> poor/lower-middle class Black people. What's the alternative? We
> >>>>>> can't blame rich White people, can we? Fox news told me they were
> >>>>>> all
> >>>>>> great.
>
> >>>>> Fox news never said anything of the kind.
>
> >>>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> >>>> Actually they did, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired.
>
> >>>> On the September 18 edition of Fox News' Your World, host Neil Cavuto
> >>>> asked Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA), "[W]hen you and many of your
> >>>> colleagues were pushing for more minority lending and more expanded
> >>>> lending to folks who heretofore couldn't get mortgages, when you were
> >>>> pushing homeownership ... Are you totally without culpability here?"
> >>>> Cavuto later said, "I'm just saying, I don't remember a clarion call
> >>>> that said, 'Fannie and Freddie are a disaster. Loaning to minorities
> >>>> and risky folks is a disaster.' "
>
> >>>> During the September 25 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, radio
> >>>> host Laura Ingraham said that "the problem here is government
> >>>> intervention in the free markets" and baselessly suggested that 1995
> >>>> rules strengthening the CRA "pushed all these institutions to lend to
> >>>> minority communities, many were very risky loans."
>
> >>> OK, show us where that says "We can't blame rich White people, can we?
> >>> Fox news told me they were all great."
>
> >>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> >> I just did, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired, and no less than twice.
>
> >> Can you figure it out on your own, or are you really that inane?
>
> > Assuming those are verbatim quotes then they used poor word choices.
> > Saying that people who can't afford to repay a loan or are at high risk
> > shouldn't get the loans in the first place is simply good business
> > regardless of ethnicity, age, sex or social status of the borrower.
>
> Are you really so senseless that you thought it WAS a verbatim quote? You
> should learn to read between the lines. There's volumes of information
> you're missing out on.
>
> > Nowhere in those citations does it say anything approaching "We can't
> > blame rich White people, can we? Fox news told me they were all great." It
> > seems obvious you dislike Fox News, this is fine with me, but don't make
> > things up or read things into what was actually said to support your bias.
>
> Well, obviously you must really be that inane. In both instances I
> provided, they did not say "regardless of ethnicity, age, sex or social
> status of the borrower",

No, I said that.

they clearly blamed minorities.

And I said they were wrong for doing so.

Do you always need
> such simple things explained to you, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired?

Well, since you insist on seeing what isn't there, not even
"between the lines" and you feel the need to be insulting, my part of
this discussion is over.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

Dan > wrote in :

> Mike wrote:
>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Mike wrote:
>>>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> jacob wrote:
>>>>>> But there has to be some way to blame big picture economic
>>>>>> problems on poor/lower-middle class Black people. What's the
>>>>>> alternative? We can't blame rich White people, can we? Fox news
>>>>>> told me they were all great.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fox news never said anything of the kind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>>>
>>>> Actually they did, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired.
>>>>
>>>> On the September 18 edition of Fox News' Your World, host Neil
>>>> Cavuto asked Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA), "[W]hen you and many of
>>>> your colleagues were pushing for more minority lending and more
>>>> expanded lending to folks who heretofore couldn't get mortgages,
>>>> when you were pushing homeownership ... Are you totally without
>>>> culpability here?" Cavuto later said, "I'm just saying, I don't
>>>> remember a clarion call that said, 'Fannie and Freddie are a
>>>> disaster. Loaning to minorities and risky folks is a disaster.' "
>>>>
>>>> During the September 25 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor,
>>>> radio host Laura Ingraham said that "the problem here is government
>>>> intervention in the free markets" and baselessly suggested that
>>>> 1995 rules strengthening the CRA "pushed all these institutions to
>>>> lend to minority communities, many were very risky loans."
>>>
>>> OK, show us where that says "We can't blame rich White people, can
>>> we? Fox news told me they were all great."
>>>
>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>
>> I just did, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired, and no less than twice.
>>
>> Can you figure it out on your own, or are you really that inane?
>
>
> Assuming those are verbatim quotes then they used poor word
> choices.


IOW they revealed their true feelings on the matter....


Bertie

[Mike]

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
...
> On Oct 13, 6:07 pm, "Mike" <nospam @ microsoft.com> wrote:
>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Mike wrote:
>> >> "Dan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>> Mike wrote:
>> >>>> "Dan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>>>> jacob wrote:
>> >>>>>> But there has to be some way to blame big picture economic
>> >>>>>> problems
>> >>>>>> on
>> >>>>>> poor/lower-middle class Black people. What's the alternative? We
>> >>>>>> can't blame rich White people, can we? Fox news told me they were
>> >>>>>> all
>> >>>>>> great.
>>
>> >>>>> Fox news never said anything of the kind.
>>
>> >>>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>
>> >>>> Actually they did, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired.
>>
>> >>>> On the September 18 edition of Fox News' Your World, host Neil
>> >>>> Cavuto
>> >>>> asked Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA), "[W]hen you and many of your
>> >>>> colleagues were pushing for more minority lending and more expanded
>> >>>> lending to folks who heretofore couldn't get mortgages, when you
>> >>>> were
>> >>>> pushing homeownership ... Are you totally without culpability here?"
>> >>>> Cavuto later said, "I'm just saying, I don't remember a clarion call
>> >>>> that said, 'Fannie and Freddie are a disaster. Loaning to minorities
>> >>>> and risky folks is a disaster.' "
>>
>> >>>> During the September 25 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor,
>> >>>> radio
>> >>>> host Laura Ingraham said that "the problem here is government
>> >>>> intervention in the free markets" and baselessly suggested that 1995
>> >>>> rules strengthening the CRA "pushed all these institutions to lend
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> minority communities, many were very risky loans."
>>
>> >>> OK, show us where that says "We can't blame rich White people, can
>> >>> we?
>> >>> Fox news told me they were all great."
>>
>> >>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>
>> >> I just did, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired, and no less than twice.
>>
>> >> Can you figure it out on your own, or are you really that inane?
>>
>> > Assuming those are verbatim quotes then they used poor word choices.
>> > Saying that people who can't afford to repay a loan or are at high risk
>> > shouldn't get the loans in the first place is simply good business
>> > regardless of ethnicity, age, sex or social status of the borrower.
>>
>> Are you really so senseless that you thought it WAS a verbatim quote?
>> You
>> should learn to read between the lines. There's volumes of information
>> you're missing out on.
>>
>> > Nowhere in those citations does it say anything approaching "We can't
>> > blame rich White people, can we? Fox news told me they were all great."
>> > It
>> > seems obvious you dislike Fox News, this is fine with me, but don't
>> > make
>> > things up or read things into what was actually said to support your
>> > bias.
>>
>> Well, obviously you must really be that inane. In both instances I
>> provided, they did not say "regardless of ethnicity, age, sex or social
>> status of the borrower",
>
> No, I said that.
>
> they clearly blamed minorities.
>
> And I said they were wrong for doing so.

Really? When did that happen, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired?

>
> Do you always need
>> such simple things explained to you, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired?
>
> Well, since you insist on seeing what isn't there, not even
> "between the lines" and you feel the need to be insulting, my part of
> this discussion is over.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Let me tell you what was there, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired.

First, you claimed what you could not possibly have known which was, "Fox
news never said anything of the kind."

Then, I clearly showed they DID say something very much in "kind" by not
just one but two examples. Not "verbatim", or whatever else you wanted to
claim later, Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired. Your words. So if you want to
act dumb (perhaps you weren't acting), then you shouldn't feel insulted if I
treat you that way, no?

[Ron Gaston]

Micky wrote:
> Why is it important to see Obama's college records? Because the media
> has created fantasies around Obama on every issue. You should start
> dispelling them with the easiest one, i.e. the fantasy of Obama's
> "academic degrees and honors".
>
> Obama has been fighting desperately to block all access to his college
> records. Even his public "thesis" at Columbia mysteriously
> disappeared. The media just swallowed the official Obama's "academic
> degrees and honors" without checking his actual grades, his scores on
> standardized tests, his academic writings if any, etc. All the
> decisions to admit Obama to colleges, to give him "academic degrees
> and honors" were made by a few unknown individuals. Read about the
> racial turmoil at one college where he got his "academic honors". The
> race tensions seem to follow Obama wherever he goes.
>
> If Obama's college records fail to meet the requirements for
> legitimate academic degrees and honors then Obama will be declared an
> academic fraud. Maybe then the media will start vetting Obama on other
> issues. Then we will be able to address the biggest fantasies like
> Obama's "ability to solve" the financial crisis which requires making
> executive decisions. Obama never made a single real executive decision
> in his life! How will Obama be able to attract quality people if he
> has a long history of attracting and being attracted to the worst
> kind? Any Hollywood actor can read a teleprompter and memorize talking
> points written by secret handlers.
>
> If Obama gets elected and turns the United States into a war-torn
> country like Kenya then his college records will mysteriously leak,
> but then it could be too late.
>
> I am asking everybody to request at least one major news network to
> make it an election issue. Ask others to do the same. Since Obama has
> built his political career around his "academic degrees and honors",
> all his college records (complete set of grades, scores on
> standardized tests, etc) must be released. Keep in mind that Obama's
> supporters have saturated media outlets and internet bandwidth for the
> last two years with stories of Obama's "academic degrees and honors".
> Now they viciously attack those who want to see Obama's grades and
> scores on standardized tests.

You may be on to something here: The U of Chicago law school is
notorious for hiring dopes (dupes?) as senior lecturers. Not much for
football either.

Cheers

--bob
>
>
>
> Some websites to submit your requests:
> http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/contact2
> http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3068843
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6872152/
> http://www.cnn.com/feedback/
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77538,00.html
> http://www.cbsnews.com/
>
>
>
> Some websites to read about Obama's "academic career":
> http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/05/obama-mythical.html
> http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=307579834298611
> http://www.nysun.com/new-york/obamas-years-at-columbia-are-a-mystery/85015/
> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1218710381368&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
> http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=74877
> http://reason.com/news/show/128461.html
>
>

[Ron Gaston]

Micky wrote:
> On Oct 6, 12:30 pm, A Man Beaten by Jacks > wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:29:37 -0700 (PDT), Pete
>>
>> > wrote:
>>> I see your Obama's academic records, and raise you Sarah Palin's B.S.
>>> in Journalism from the University of Idaho, cause, you know, that's
>>> it. What was her GPA?
>> Considering he graduated magna cum laude from Harvard, I wonder what
>> they're expecting to find. That he flunked phys ed? Oh, wait, they
>> don't have that in law school.
>>
>
> How about checking whether Obama's "Magna" was the same as real Magna?
> If Harvard does not follow its own admission standards then what makes
> you think that Harvard follows requirements for Magna.
>
> Do not lecture anybody on honors received by Obama types. To be an
> editor of HLR is also an honor and Obama was an "editor". Real editors
> of HLR are known to publish academic work, Obama never published any
> work. Real editors of HLR are known to have good grades, Harvard had a
> special program for Blacks to get around it.

Is it true that McCain graduated "smegma cum load?"

--bob
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Deadmoney Walking]

On Oct 7, 8:23*pm, Pepe Papon >
wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:48:32 -0700 (PDT), jacob >
> wrote:
>
> >For some voters, intelligence is regarded as one of many
> >important measures of whether a person is qualified to be president.
>
> Unfortunately, many voters seem to view it as a negative.

"I'd rather trust the US government to the first 300 names in the
Boston telephone directory than the faculty of Harvard"

- William F Buckley.

[JG]

On Oct 31, 6:59 pm, Ron Gaston > wrote:
> Micky wrote:
> > Why is it important to see Obama's college records? Because the media
> > has created fantasies around Obama on every issue. You should start
> > dispelling them with the easiest one, i.e. the fantasy of Obama's
> > "academic degrees and honors".
>
> > Obama has been fighting desperately to block all access to his college
> > records. Even his public "thesis" at Columbia mysteriously
> > disappeared. The media just swallowed the official Obama's "academic
> > degrees and honors" without checking his actual grades, his scores on
> > standardized tests, his academic writings if any, etc. All the
> > decisions to admit Obama to colleges, to give him "academic degrees
> > and honors" were made by a few unknown individuals. Read about the
> > racial turmoil at one college where he got his "academic honors". The
> > race tensions seem to follow Obama wherever he goes.
>
> > If Obama's college records fail to meet the requirements for
> > legitimate academic degrees and honors then Obama will be declared an
> > academic fraud. Maybe then the media will start vetting Obama on other
> > issues. Then we will be able to address the biggest fantasies like
> > Obama's "ability to solve" the financial crisis which requires making
> > executive decisions. Obama never made a single real executive decision
> > in his life! How will Obama be able to attract quality people if he
> > has a long history of attracting and being attracted to the worst
> > kind? Any Hollywood actor can read a teleprompter and memorize talking
> > points written by secret handlers.
>
> > If Obama gets elected and turns the United States into a war-torn
> > country like Kenya then his college records will mysteriously leak,
> > but then it could be too late.
>
> > I am asking everybody to request at least one major news network to
> > make it an election issue. Ask others to do the same. Since Obama has
> > built his political career around his "academic degrees and honors",
> > all his college records (complete set of grades, scores on
> > standardized tests, etc) must be released. Keep in mind that Obama's
> > supporters have saturated media outlets and internet bandwidth for the
> > last two years with stories of Obama's "academic degrees and honors".
> > Now they viciously attack those who want to see Obama's grades and
> > scores on standardized tests.
>
> You may be on to something here: The U of Chicago law school is
> notorious for hiring dopes (dupes?) as senior lecturers. Not much for
> football either.
>
> Cheers
>

Alaskan Palin choose a Hawaiian college before graduating high school.
Sounds reasonable for someone stuck with Alaskan winters to want to
enjoy the sunny islands and study. Unfortunately, the school she
choose was in the RAINY town of Hilo, so she transfered back to the
Honolulu and a tour of mainland schools.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5728215