Fosset

[Tech Support]

Here is a series of photos of searchers who went up to Steve
Fossetts's crash site. Click on Slide Show for presentation.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockwellb/sets/72157607737959209/?page=1


Big John

[RST Engineering]

Out of 109 photos, MAYBE five or six worth seeing. Mostly old farts sitting
in helicopters or climbing over rocks. What a waste of bandwidth.

Jim

--
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."
--Aristotle


<Tech Support> wrote in message
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>
>
> Here is a series of photos of searchers who went up to Steve
> Fossetts's crash site. Click on Slide Show for presentation.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockwellb/sets/72157607737959209/?page=1
>
>
> Big John

[Dave S]

Good thing I didn't take your word for it.

RST Engineering wrote:
What a waste of bandwidth.
>
> Jim
>

[romeomike]

RST Engineering wrote:
> Out of 109 photos, MAYBE five or six worth seeing. Mostly old farts sitting
> in helicopters or climbing over rocks. What a waste of bandwidth.
>
> Jim
>
Hope you feel better soon.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"romeomike" > wrote in message
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> RST Engineering wrote:
>> Out of 109 photos, MAYBE five or six worth seeing. Mostly old farts
>> sitting in helicopters or climbing over rocks. What a waste of
>> bandwidth.
>>
>> Jim
>>
> Hope you feel better soon.

I gotta agree with Jim. If you are going to do something worthwhile, don't
put every shot up for everyone to view. Edit, edit, edit.

It would have been nice to put a few shots in a row, tracing the tree
strikes, and what the plane impacted, all in a row. Then in another group,
all the shots of crash remnants. Perhaps a few captions on the pictures, to
say what you are supposed to be seeing.

Beautiful landscape, and nice helicopters. I could give a crap less, who
the people were, that were on the expedition. Perhaps one group shot, for
history. Perhaps a few people got in the way of a shot recording something
significant. I was hoping to see a little more than that.
--
Jim in NC

[Tech Support]

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:57:54 -0700, "RST Engineering"
> wrote:

>Out of 109 photos, MAYBE five or six worth seeing. Mostly old farts sitting
>in helicopters or climbing over rocks. What a waste of bandwidth.
>
>Jim
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Glad to see none of the current posters walked into the area where the
personal items were found that started the search again for the
aircraft and any body parts. And did not search the areas between the
personal items location and crash site.

Groups who walked the ground were experienced mountaineers and they
had a hard time due to altitude and terrain. Their recovery by chopper
due to Wx and end of the area search, got them back to rally point
before dark and before Wx closed in and was a safety measure. Chopper
pictures gave credit to organizations who furnished the choppers.

Expect the DNA test results of the small pieces of bone found, to show
if animals got to the body. From my experience using DNA testing, it
will take 2-3 months (or longer) to get any results from DNA tests.

Since the crash burned, wonder why one of the Satellites didn't pick
up????

No matter the cause, sorry end to a flamboyant flier.

He at least died with his boots on, as we say here in Texas.

Big John

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On Oct 13, 9:55*pm, Clark > wrote:
> "RST Engineering" > wrote innews:CZqdnSr0F4vlT27VnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@supernews. com:
>
> > Out of 109 photos, MAYBE five or six worth seeing. *Mostly old farts
> > sitting in helicopters or climbing over rocks. *What a waste of
> > bandwidth.
>
> > Jim
>
> Who was it that forced you to look? Hmmmm?
>
> --
> ---
> there should be a "sig" here

Yeah, no phucing ****. Bunch of whiney old women on this group and
not a one of them actually out there doing anything but think they're
opinion of someone else's hard work means something. To these arm
chair geniuses: STFU.

[Darkwing]

<Tech Support> wrote in message
...
>
>
> Here is a series of photos of searchers who went up to Steve
> Fossetts's crash site. Click on Slide Show for presentation.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockwellb/sets/72157607737959209/?page=1
>
>
> Big John


So did anyone find the wreckage after knowing where it was at on Google
Maps?

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:47:42 -0500, Tech Support <> wrote:

> Since the crash burned, wonder why one of the Satellites didn't pick
> up????

Depends on how often a satellite with a high enough resolution images the area.

Unless the fire had touched off some of the local brush, any heat and smoke was
likely to be long gone by the next imaging pass. On one of the pictures, I was
struck by how well the crumpled, blackened steel tube structure seemed to blend
into the background....

Ron Wanttaja

[Martin X. Moleski, SJ]

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:25:03 -0400, "Darkwing" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in
>:

>So did anyone find the wreckage after knowing where it was at on Google
>Maps?

Not me.

I did about 1500 or so hits on the Amazon Mechanical Turk (AMT),
which used imagery updated from various sources to make
sure that the images had been taken AFTER the loss of
the aircraft.

I haven't seen a final report on why the AMT search missed
the crash site. I have the impression that the good, new
imagery may not have included the place where we now know
the plane ended up.

Here's one critical report on AMT from shortly after
Amazon shut the search down:

http://www.network-centricadvocacy.net/2008/04/online-fossett.html

Another interim take on "what went wrong" with the search:

http://adventure.nationalgeographic.com/2008/01/special-report/steve-fossett/james-vlahos-text/1

It will be interesting to see updated reviews of the
various search strategies that folks used.

Marty
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On 14 Oct, 07:47, Tech Support <> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:57:54 -0700, "RST Engineering"
>
> > wrote:
> >Out of 109 photos, MAYBE five or six worth seeing. *Mostly old farts sitting
> >in helicopters or climbing over rocks. *What a waste of bandwidth.
>
> >Jim
>
> ************************************************** ****
>
> Glad to see none of the current posters walked into the area where the
> personal items were found that started the search again *for the
> aircraft and any body parts. And did not search the areas between the
> personal items location and crash site.
>
> Groups who walked the ground were experienced mountaineers and ...
> No matter the cause, sorry end to a flamboyant flier.
>
> He at least died with his boots on, as we say here in Texas.
>
> Big John

Thanks for the photos.

I for one had no expectation of publication-ready
material and I enjoyed (well I did not enjoy the
misfortune that came upon Mr. Fossett) your
presentation.

Thank you.

It truely brings home the nature of the terrain and
the vastness of the search area.

Quite why you should have been criticised for making
this material available completely escapes me. But
you knew this already:-)

Thanks.

[[email protected]]

Groups who walked the ground were experienced mountaineers and they
had a hard time due to altitude and terrain. Their recovery by
chopper
due to Wx and end of the area search, got them back to rally point
before dark and before Wx closed in and was a safety measure. Chopper
pictures gave credit to organizations who furnished the choppers.


Expect the DNA test results of the small pieces of bone found, to
show
if animals got to the body. From my experience using DNA testing, it
will take 2-3 months (or longer) to get any results from DNA tests.


Since the crash burned, wonder why one of the Satellites didn't pick
up????


No matter the cause, sorry end to a flamboyant flier.


He at least died with his boots on, as we say here in Texas.


Big John


Geez....... The crash was below treeline, must be at 10,200 - 10,500
of so... Experienced mountianeers should not have a big problem with
that altitude or terrain. Heck alot of people ski and snowmobile alot
higher then that for most of the day, and that is alot more of a
workout. With that said it sure looks bad for Steve and probably his
demise. Altho it reminds me of a movie a while back, Wild Things, I
think. Just throw around some teeth and maybe a bone of a pinky and
some ID at the crash site or close and walla, you are "gone"....

[Bob Fry]

You're a waste of everything. **** off old fart.
--
I don't think I'm alone when I say I'd like to see more and more
planets fall under the ruthless domination of our solar system.
- Jack Handey

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On Oct 13, 4:57*pm, "RST Engineering" > wrote:
> Out of 109 photos, MAYBE five or six worth seeing. *Mostly old farts sitting
> in helicopters or climbing over rocks. *What a waste of bandwidth.
>
> Jim
>
> --
> "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
> without accepting it."
> * * * * --Aristotle
>
> <Tech Support> wrote in message
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> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Here is a series of photos of searchers who went up to Steve
> > Fossetts's crash site. *Click on Slide Show for presentation.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockwellb/sets/72157607737959209/?page=1
>
> > Big John- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Hmmm, Jim I think you need to have your Testosterone level checked.
Grouchiness in older men is usually an indication of low
testosterone...

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Oct 15, 1:55*pm, wrote:
> On Oct 13, 4:57*pm, "RST Engineering" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Out of 109 photos, MAYBE five or six worth seeing. *Mostly old farts sitting
> > in helicopters or climbing over rocks. *What a waste of bandwidth.
>
> > Jim
>
> > --
> > "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
> > without accepting it."
> > * * * * --Aristotle
>
> > <Tech Support> wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > > Here is a series of photos of searchers who went up to Steve
> > > Fossetts's crash site. *Click on Slide Show for presentation.
>
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockwellb/sets/72157607737959209/?page=1
>
> > > Big John- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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> Hmmm, Jim I think you need to have your Testosterone level checked.
> Grouchiness in older men is usually an indication of low
> testosterone...

Actually, extensive independent research has revealed that USENET,
rather than low testosterone is possibly the highest ranking factor
attributed to old age grouchiness.
:-)
DH

[Tech Support]

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:03:25 -0500, Tech Support <> wrote:

>
>
>Here is a series of photos of searchers who went up to Steve
>Fossetts's crash site. Click on Slide Show for presentation.
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockwellb/sets/72157607737959209/?page=1
>
>
>Big John
************************************************** *********************

Results of DNA tests, just reported, on bones found, show they were
from Fossett. That closes one uknown. Now only have the why open.

Big John