When Airline Pilots WON'T speak ENGLISH!!!

[hello]

The FO does most of the communications; they don't trust my perfect
English. In South Fl if you speak good English you can't communicate
properly. I have had a lot of fun with my language in Miami. Most people
(latins) assume I don't speak or understand Spanish, and it is quite funny
when they talk about me (in Spanish) in front of me without knowing I
understand.

All joking aside, communications is one of my pet peeve's in the cockpit.
With so many inexperienced and foreign FO's, they have terrible and poor
communication skills. There is one African FO, that answers "OK!" to all ATC
instructions. Never reads back anything, and most of the time doesn't even
know what they told him. I like the guy, but he has no place flying until he
can understand English. He is the only guy I ever lost my cool with. When I
fly with him, and it is my leg, I do all the flying and all the
communicating.
I fly pretty good, so far I haven't broken an airplane, so I guess that
accounts for something. Considering some of the FO's I fly with lately, that
makes an above average Pilot (in my opinion). I haven't flown a light single
in years, so my brother doesn't let me land his airplane, as most jet
pilots, I have a tendency to start my flare way too high when flying a light
single.

[Shirl]

"hello" > wrote:
> The FO does most of the communications; they don't trust my perfect
> English. In South Fl if you speak good English you can't communicate
> properly. I have had a lot of fun with my language in Miami. Most people
> (latins) assume I don't speak or understand Spanish, and it is quite funny
> when they talk about me (in Spanish) in front of me without knowing I
> understand.
>
> All joking aside, communications is one of my pet peeve's in the cockpit.
> With so many inexperienced and foreign FO's, they have terrible and poor
> communication skills. There is one African FO, that answers "OK!" to all ATC
> instructions. Never reads back anything, and most of the time doesn't even
> know what they told him. I like the guy, but he has no place flying until he
> can understand English. He is the only guy I ever lost my cool with. When I
> fly with him, and it is my leg, I do all the flying and all the
> communicating.
> I fly pretty good, so far I haven't broken an airplane, so I guess that
> accounts for something. Considering some of the FO's I fly with lately, that
> makes an above average Pilot (in my opinion). I haven't flown a light single
> in years, so my brother doesn't let me land his airplane, as most jet
> pilots, I have a tendency to start my flare way too high when flying a light
> single.

Thank you. We thought it was only here in AZ, where a lot of aspiring
airline pilots come to put in time since there are so many good-weather
flying days here. Nothing worse than being in the pattern at an
uncontrolled airport and hearing, "FDVHUdscr Trafffick, Cessna ^%#s9,
&&VSs, Gobbledegoop 1 mile, VFSDGXCxss, FDVHUdscr Traffick."

Huh? 1 mile WHERE? How do these people pass the oral exam? Do they
understand US? Do they care?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"hello" > wrote in
:

> The FO does most of the communications; they don't trust my perfect
> English. In South Fl if you speak good English you can't communicate
> properly. I have had a lot of fun with my language in Miami. Most
> people (latins) assume I don't speak or understand Spanish, and it is
> quite funny when they talk about me (in Spanish) in front of me
> without knowing I understand.
>
> All joking aside, communications is one of my pet peeve's in the
> cockpit. With so many inexperienced and foreign FO's, they have
> terrible and poor communication skills. There is one African FO, that
> answers "OK!" to all ATC instructions. Never reads back anything, and
> most of the time doesn't even know what they told him. I like the guy,
> but he has no place flying until he can understand English. He is the
> only guy I ever lost my cool with. When I fly with him, and it is my
> leg, I do all the flying and all the communicating.
> I fly pretty good, so far I haven't broken an airplane, so I guess
> that
> accounts for something. Considering some of the FO's I fly with
> lately, that makes an above average Pilot (in my opinion). I haven't
> flown a light single in years, so my brother doesn't let me land his
> airplane, as most jet pilots, I have a tendency to start my flare way
> too high when flying a light single.
>
>
>

If you're flying a multi-crew jet single pilot and allowing your company to
get away with forcing you to do it, you're an idiot.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Shirl > wrote in
:

> "hello" > wrote:
>> The FO does most of the communications; they don't trust my perfect
>> English. In South Fl if you speak good English you can't communicate
>> properly. I have had a lot of fun with my language in Miami. Most
>> people (latins) assume I don't speak or understand Spanish, and it is
>> quite funny when they talk about me (in Spanish) in front of me
>> without knowing I understand.
>>
>> All joking aside, communications is one of my pet peeve's in the
>> cockpit. With so many inexperienced and foreign FO's, they have
>> terrible and poor communication skills. There is one African FO, that
>> answers "OK!" to all ATC instructions. Never reads back anything, and
>> most of the time doesn't even know what they told him. I like the
>> guy, but he has no place flying until he can understand English. He
>> is the only guy I ever lost my cool with. When I fly with him, and it
>> is my leg, I do all the flying and all the communicating.
>> I fly pretty good, so far I haven't broken an airplane, so I guess
>> that
>> accounts for something. Considering some of the FO's I fly with
>> lately, that makes an above average Pilot (in my opinion). I haven't
>> flown a light single in years, so my brother doesn't let me land his
>> airplane, as most jet pilots, I have a tendency to start my flare way
>> too high when flying a light single.
>
> Thank you. We thought it was only here in AZ, where a lot of aspiring
> airline pilots come to put in time since there are so many
> good-weather flying days here. Nothing worse than being in the pattern
> at an uncontrolled airport and hearing, "FDVHUdscr Trafffick, Cessna
> ^%#s9, &&VSs, Gobbledegoop 1 mile, VFSDGXCxss, FDVHUdscr Traffick."
>
> Huh? 1 mile WHERE? How do these people pass the oral exam? Do they
> understand US? Do they care?
>

You ought to hear some US pilots abroad.....



Bertie

[hello]

>
> Huh? 1 mile WHERE? How do these people pass the oral exam?


A lot of them must be women???


But as I tell all my FO's (whether they speak English of not, IN ENGLISH),
"If you make us go around, you won't fly another leg for the rest of the
day." I only say this when they're at 30DME from the field and still at
18000 Ft.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"hello" > wrote

> But as I tell all my FO's (whether they speak English of not, IN ENGLISH),
> "If you make us go around, you won't fly another leg for the rest of the
> day." I only say this when they're at 30DME from the field and still at
> 18000 Ft.

Well, THAT's real helpful for ensuring safety.

If I'm riding, let everyone know before we take off, so I can get off.

If going around is needed, I would prefer to go around, without fear of
punishment for the FO.

But since you are posting without a real identity, you probably only fly
Microsoft flight simulators, so it really does not matter what you are
posting.
--
Jim in NC

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"hello" > wrote in
:

>>
>> Huh? 1 mile WHERE? How do these people pass the oral exam?
>
>
> A lot of them must be women???
>
>
> But as I tell all my FO's (whether they speak English of not, IN
> ENGLISH), "If you make us go around, you won't fly another leg for the
> rest of the day." I only say this when they're at 30DME from the
> field and still at 18000 Ft.
>
>
>

And my opinion drops once again.


Bertie

[Mike]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "hello" > wrote
>
>> But as I tell all my FO's (whether they speak English of not, IN
>> ENGLISH), "If you make us go around, you won't fly another leg for the
>> rest of the day." I only say this when they're at 30DME from the field
>> and still at 18000 Ft.
>
> Well, THAT's real helpful for ensuring safety.
>
> If I'm riding, let everyone know before we take off, so I can get off.
>
> If going around is needed, I would prefer to go around, without fear of
> punishment for the FO.
>
> But since you are posting without a real identity, you probably only fly
> Microsoft flight simulators, so it really does not matter what you are
> posting.

So if he were to make up a "real" sounding name, perhaps something like Jim
in NC, that would automatically make him a bonafide pilot?


> --
> Jim in NC
>

[hello]

>
> But since you are posting without a real identity, you probably only fly
> Microsoft flight simulators, so it really does not matter what you are
> posting.
> --
> Jim in NC
>

It's comments like this that make airline captains not even want to share
some insight.


I won't be back, u wannabe clowns! No go play with your Wi.

[Shirl]

Shirl > wrote in
> > Thank you. We thought it was only here in AZ, where a lot of aspiring
> > airline pilots come to put in time since there are so many
> > good-weather flying days here. Nothing worse than being in the pattern
> > at an uncontrolled airport and hearing, "FDVHUdscr Trafffick, Cessna
> > ^%#s9, &&VSs, Gobbledegoop 1 mile, VFSDGXCxss, FDVHUdscr Traffick."
> >
> > Huh? 1 mile WHERE? How do these people pass the oral exam? Do they
> > understand US? Do they care?

Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> You ought to hear some US pilots abroad.....

I'm sure that's true, and US pilots abroad should be able to communicate
clearly in languages spoken there, too. But I don't think many US pilots
travel abroad specifically to learn to fly or to build hours. I just
figure if they're here specifically for that, speaking FLUENT, clear and
*understandable* ENGLISH would be a pre-requisite ... but apparently not!

[Mike]

"hello" > wrote in message
...
>
>>
>> But since you are posting without a real identity, you probably only fly
>> Microsoft flight simulators, so it really does not matter what you are
>> posting.
>> --
>> Jim in NC
>>
>
> It's comments like this that make airline captains not even want to share
> some insight.

Even if I were to take your word that you actually are, your own comments
prove you are a 3rd rate captain flying for a 3rd rate airline and you have
a 3rd rate command of your first language. As such your opinions aren't
worth the bandwidth it took to transmit them.

> I won't be back, u wannabe clowns! No go play with your Wi.

Don't let the door hit you on the arse....

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Shirl > wrote in news:Xmnushal8y-
:

> Shirl > wrote in
>> > Thank you. We thought it was only here in AZ, where a lot of aspiring
>> > airline pilots come to put in time since there are so many
>> > good-weather flying days here. Nothing worse than being in the pattern
>> > at an uncontrolled airport and hearing, "FDVHUdscr Trafffick, Cessna
>> > ^%#s9, &&VSs, Gobbledegoop 1 mile, VFSDGXCxss, FDVHUdscr Traffick."
>> >
>> > Huh? 1 mile WHERE? How do these people pass the oral exam? Do they
>> > understand US? Do they care?
>
> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> You ought to hear some US pilots abroad.....
>
> I'm sure that's true, and US pilots abroad should be able to communicate
> clearly in languages spoken there, too.

meant their knowledge and command of ICAO terms.



For instance, the crew who were told to descend to 3,000' QNH 1018.
"Could we have that in inches please?"
OK, descend 36,000" 1018...



Bertie

[Vaughn Simon]

"hello" > wrote in message
...
>
> I won't be back, u wannabe clowns! No go play with your Wi.

Suit yourself. You need a thick skin to play here. Credibility is not
something you get overnight.

Vaughn

[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

Vaughn Simon schrieb:
> "hello" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I won't be back, u wannabe clowns! No go play with your Wi.

as for the subject: I heard myself the worst things on the radio,
especially in Arizona from those German Lufthansa-students.

on the other hand: esp. in the US you hear phrases like "next report
$landmark", but the landmark is not on the chart and only locals are in
the know.

> Suit yourself. You need a thick skin to play here. Credibility is not
> something you get overnight.

It helps to post with something else like a name like "hello" :-)
And it helps to use a decent newsclient and newsserver (my offer for
free usenet access is still valid; our newsserver is among the TOP1000.)

> Vaughn

#m

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Martin Hotze > wrote in
:

> Vaughn Simon schrieb:
>> "hello" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I won't be back, u wannabe clowns! No go play with your Wi.
>
> as for the subject: I heard myself the worst things on the radio,
> especially in Arizona from those German Lufthansa-students.
>
> on the other hand: esp. in the US you hear phrases like "next report
> $landmark", but the landmark is not on the chart and only locals are
> in the know.


Ever heard of German corner? Rhine assumes the entie planet knows where it
is.
just for instance.



Bertie

[Flydive]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Ever heard of German corner? Rhine assumes the entie planet knows
where it
> is.
> just for instance.
>
>
>
> Bertie

True, but if you ask they tell you how find it, radial and distance from
KRH, a bit easier than a landmark. ;-)

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Flydive > wrote in :

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> > Ever heard of German corner? Rhine assumes the entie planet knows
> where it
>> is.
>> just for instance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> True, but if you ask they tell you how find it, radial and distance from
> KRH, a bit easier than a landmark. ;-)
>

So will anyone in the US...


Bertie

[Flydive]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Flydive > wrote in :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> > Ever heard of German corner? Rhine assumes the entie planet knows
>> where it
>>> is.
>>> just for instance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>> True, but if you ask they tell you how find it, radial and distance from
>> KRH, a bit easier than a landmark. ;-)
>>
>
> So will anyone in the US...
>
>
> Bertie

True again, but is easier to give a radial/distance from a VOR than
describe a Landmark

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Flydive > wrote in :

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Flydive > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> > Ever heard of German corner? Rhine assumes the entie planet knows
>>> where it
>>>> is.
>>>> just for instance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>> True, but if you ask they tell you how find it, radial and distance
>>> from
>>> KRH, a bit easier than a landmark. ;-)
>>>
>>
>> So will anyone in the US...
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> True again, but is easier to give a radial/distance from a VOR than
> describe a Landmark
>

Not so easy to find if you are flying sans radio, though.


Bertie

[Flydive]

Flydive wrote:
> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Flydive > wrote in :
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> > Ever heard of German corner? Rhine assumes the entie planet knows
>>> where it
>>>> is. just for instance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>> True, but if you ask they tell you how find it, radial and distance
>>> from KRH, a bit easier than a landmark. ;-)
>>>
>>
>> So will anyone in the US...
>>
>> Bertie
>
> True again, but is easier to give a radial/distance from a VOR than
> describe a Landmark

And then German corner is just used aa a short cut, not a reporting
point, if you don't know where it is they can clear you to KRH

[Flydive]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Flydive > wrote in :
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Flydive > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> > Ever heard of German corner? Rhine assumes the entie planet knows
>>>> where it
>>>>> is.
>>>>> just for instance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>> True, but if you ask they tell you how find it, radial and distance
>>>> from
>>>> KRH, a bit easier than a landmark. ;-)
>>>>
>>> So will anyone in the US...
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>> True again, but is easier to give a radial/distance from a VOR than
>> describe a Landmark
>>
>
> Not so easy to find if you are flying sans radio, though.
>
>
> Bertie

If you fly sans radio you do not need English, and is only used for IFR
flying (as a short cut given by ATC), usually done with radio in Europe.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Flydive > wrote in :

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Flydive > wrote in news:48fb83f1$1_7
@news.bluewin.ch:
>>
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> Flydive > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>> > Ever heard of German corner? Rhine assumes the entie planet
knows
>>>>> where it
>>>>>> is.
>>>>>> just for instance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>> True, but if you ask they tell you how find it, radial and
distance
>>>>> from
>>>>> KRH, a bit easier than a landmark. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>> So will anyone in the US...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>> True again, but is easier to give a radial/distance from a VOR than
>>> describe a Landmark
>>>
>>
>> Not so easy to find if you are flying sans radio, though.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> If you fly sans radio you do not need English, and is only used for
IFR
> flying (as a short cut given by ATC), usually done with radio in
Europe.
>



Yep.

All far from the original point though, which seemd to be drifting
towards the US controllers being lazy or slopp or something.

i could tell you tales about Germany.....

Or just about anywhere, for that matter.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Flydive > wrote in :

> Flydive wrote:
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> Flydive > wrote in news:48fb8284$1_7
@news.bluewin.ch:
>>>
>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> > Ever heard of German corner? Rhine assumes the entie planet
knows
>>>> where it
>>>>> is. just for instance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>> True, but if you ask they tell you how find it, radial and distance
>>>> from KRH, a bit easier than a landmark. ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> So will anyone in the US...
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>
>> True again, but is easier to give a radial/distance from a VOR than
>> describe a Landmark
>
> And then German corner is just used aa a short cut, not a reporting
> point, if you don't know where it is they can clear you to KRH


Yes, i know.


But if you really want to get into a ****ing contest about german
controllers....




there was this guy in Frankfurt who cleared me to take off when we were
still on the taxiway, almost a half a mile from the end of the runway.
We accepted, and then did our checks. We lined up, and just to be sure,
asked him once again if we were cleared for takeoff... He freaked on us
and started this minute long tirade about how he had cleared us and how
we had wasted time now asking again.

Wonder if he had any relations doing ATC in Tenerife.



Bertie



Bertie
>

[george]

Somewhere I got the strange idea that the international language in
aviation is English (however she's mispoken) and the Regs agree with
me.
We've had a lot of foreign airline students here and so long as they
speak slowly enough you get a general idea of what and where they are.

One gentleman, when ATC requested his position, replied that he was
sitting....

[Flydive]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Flydive > wrote in :

> Yes, i know.
>
>
> But if you really want to get into a ****ing contest about german
> controllers....
>
>
>
>
> there was this guy in Frankfurt who cleared me to take off when we were
> still on the taxiway, almost a half a mile from the end of the runway.
> We accepted, and then did our checks. We lined up, and just to be sure,
> asked him once again if we were cleared for takeoff... He freaked on us
> and started this minute long tirade about how he had cleared us and how
> we had wasted time now asking again.
>
> Wonder if he had any relations doing ATC in Tenerife.
>
>
>
> Bertie
>
>
>
> Bertie
>

Hey, no ****ing contest for me, I couldn't care less about Germans or
otherwise controllers, well exept when they give me hard time ;-)
The one you had in EDDF was pretty bad one, as, likely not too often,
you can find all over the world

[Mike]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> Flydive > wrote in :
>
>> Flydive wrote:
>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>> Flydive > wrote in news:48fb8284$1_7
> @news.bluewin.ch:
>>>>
>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>> > Ever heard of German corner? Rhine assumes the entie planet
> knows
>>>>> where it
>>>>>> is. just for instance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>> True, but if you ask they tell you how find it, radial and distance
>>>>> from KRH, a bit easier than a landmark. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So will anyone in the US...
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> True again, but is easier to give a radial/distance from a VOR than
>>> describe a Landmark
>>
>> And then German corner is just used aa a short cut, not a reporting
>> point, if you don't know where it is they can clear you to KRH
>
>
> Yes, i know.
>
>
> But if you really want to get into a ****ing contest about german
> controllers....
>
>
>
>
> there was this guy in Frankfurt who cleared me to take off when we were
> still on the taxiway, almost a half a mile from the end of the runway.
> We accepted, and then did our checks. We lined up, and just to be sure,
> asked him once again if we were cleared for takeoff... He freaked on us
> and started this minute long tirade about how he had cleared us and how
> we had wasted time now asking again.

Still not as bad as the Swiss controller who had 3 aircraft and managed to
run 2 of them together.

[Flydive]

Mike wrote:

>> Yes, i know.
>>
>>
>> But if you really want to get into a ****ing contest about german
>> controllers....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> there was this guy in Frankfurt who cleared me to take off when we were
>> still on the taxiway, almost a half a mile from the end of the runway.
>> We accepted, and then did our checks. We lined up, and just to be sure,
>> asked him once again if we were cleared for takeoff... He freaked on us
>> and started this minute long tirade about how he had cleared us and how
>> we had wasted time now asking again.
>
> Still not as bad as the Swiss controller who had 3 aircraft and managed
> to run 2 of them together.

Well actually he was Danish, even if he worked for the Swiss ATC, and he
paid dearly for his mistake.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Flydive > wrote in :

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Flydive > wrote in news:48fb84ab$1_7
@news.bluewin.ch:
>
>> Yes, i know.
>>
>>
>> But if you really want to get into a ****ing contest about german
>> controllers....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> there was this guy in Frankfurt who cleared me to take off when we
were
>> still on the taxiway, almost a half a mile from the end of the
runway.
>> We accepted, and then did our checks. We lined up, and just to be
sure,
>> asked him once again if we were cleared for takeoff... He freaked on
us
>> and started this minute long tirade about how he had cleared us and
how
>> we had wasted time now asking again.
>>
>> Wonder if he had any relations doing ATC in Tenerife.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>
> Hey, no ****ing contest for me, I couldn't care less about Germans or
> otherwise controllers, well exept when they give me hard time ;-)
> The one you had in EDDF was pretty bad one, as, likely not too often,
> you can find all over the world
>

Yeh, assholes everywhere, but this one was a cut above.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ microsoft.com> wrote in
:

> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Flydive > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Flydive wrote:
>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>> Flydive > wrote in news:48fb8284$1_7
>> @news.bluewin.ch:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>>>> > Ever heard of German corner? Rhine assumes the entie planet
>> knows
>>>>>> where it
>>>>>>> is. just for instance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bertie
>>>>>> True, but if you ask they tell you how find it, radial and
>>>>>> distance from KRH, a bit easier than a landmark. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So will anyone in the US...
>>>>>
>>>>> Bertie
>>>>
>>>> True again, but is easier to give a radial/distance from a VOR than
>>>> describe a Landmark
>>>
>>> And then German corner is just used aa a short cut, not a reporting
>>> point, if you don't know where it is they can clear you to KRH
>>
>>
>> Yes, i know.
>>
>>
>> But if you really want to get into a ****ing contest about german
>> controllers....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> there was this guy in Frankfurt who cleared me to take off when we
>> were still on the taxiway, almost a half a mile from the end of the
>> runway. We accepted, and then did our checks. We lined up, and just
>> to be sure, asked him once again if we were cleared for takeoff... He
>> freaked on us and started this minute long tirade about how he had
>> cleared us and how we had wasted time now asking again.
>
> Still not as bad as the Swiss controller who had 3 aircraft and
> managed to run 2 of them together.
>
>

True..


Bertie

[Mxsmanic]

hello writes:

> It's comments like this that make airline captains not even want to share
> some insight.

Those comments come from a minority of highly vocal posters with enormous
chips on their shoulders, and are not representative of the membership in the
newsgroup in general.

[Mike]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> hello writes:
>
>> It's comments like this that make airline captains not even want to share
>> some insight.
>
> Those comments come from a minority of highly vocal posters with enormous
> chips on their shoulders, and are not representative of the membership in
> the
> newsgroup in general.

.....sez the non-pilot poseur.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> hello writes:
>
>> It's comments like this that make airline captains not even want to
>> share some insight.
>
> Those comments come from a minority of highly vocal posters with
> enormous chips on their shoulders, and are not representative of the
> membership in the newsgroup in general.

You're an idiot.


Bertie

[hello]

>> It's comments like this that make airline captains not even want to share
>> some insight.
>
> Those comments come from a minority of highly vocal posters with enormous
> chips on their shoulders, and are not representative of the membership in
> the
> newsgroup in general.

Thanks, kind soul.

Duly noted. Someone recommended this group but I now see how immature they
are. Not for me,
Won't be back after today. Just dropped back in long enough to see how this
thread has deteriorated.

Quote of the day:

"If you make us go around, you won't fly another leg for the rest of the
day" (I only say this when they a 30DME from the field and still at 18000
Ft.")

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"hello" > wrote in
:

>
>
>>> It's comments like this that make airline captains not even want to
>>> share some insight.
>>
>> Those comments come from a minority of highly vocal posters with
>> enormous chips on their shoulders, and are not representative of the
>> membership in the
>> newsgroup in general.
>
> Thanks, kind soul.
>
> Duly noted. Someone recommended this group but I now see how immature
> they are. Not for me,
> Won't be back after today. Just dropped back in long enough to see how
> this thread has deteriorated.
>
> Quote of the day:
>
> "If you make us go around, you won't fly another leg for the rest of
> the
> day" (I only say this when they a 30DME from the field and still at
> 18000 Ft.")
>


Wow, still pretty scary. I bet even Connie wouldn't hire you....





Bertie

[Mike]

"hello" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>>> It's comments like this that make airline captains not even want to
>>> share
>>> some insight.
>>
>> Those comments come from a minority of highly vocal posters with enormous
>> chips on their shoulders, and are not representative of the membership in
>> the
>> newsgroup in general.
>
> Thanks, kind soul.

Your new buddy is a MSFS non-pilot poseur. Congratulations. Considering
the high probability that you are a poseur yourself, I can't say as I'm
surprised.

> Duly noted. Someone recommended this group but I now see how immature
> they are. Not for me,
> Won't be back after today. Just dropped back in long enough to see how
> this thread has deteriorated.
>
> Quote of the day:
>
> "If you make us go around, you won't fly another leg for the rest of the
> day" (I only say this when they a 30DME from the field and still at 18000
> Ft.")

It still sounds as stupid the 2nd time around. In fact, more so.

[george]

On Oct 20, 12:16 pm, "Mike" <nospam @ microsoft.com> wrote:
> "hello" > wrote in message

> > "If you make us go around, you won't fly another leg for the rest of the
> > day" (I only say this when they a 30DME from the field and still at 18000
> > Ft.")
>
> It still sounds as stupid the 2nd time around. In fact, more so.

In this day and age of 'Cockpit Management' how long would Anthonys
new buddy last (outside MFS)

[skym]

On Oct 18, 8:31*pm, "hello" > wrote:

...they don't trust my perfect English...
....
*I fly pretty good...


Your English isn't all that perfect. ;)

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

george > wrote in
:

> On Oct 20, 12:16 pm, "Mike" <nospam @ microsoft.com> wrote:
>> "hello" > wrote in message
>
>> > "If you make us go around, you won't fly another leg for the rest
>> > of the day" (I only say this when they a 30DME from the field and
>> > still at 18000 Ft.")
>>
>> It still sounds as stupid the 2nd time around. In fact, more so.
>
> In this day and age of 'Cockpit Management' how long would Anthonys
> new buddy last (outside MFS)
>

Actually, there are some rat ass companies flying jets around that fit this
perfectly.


Bertie

[vlastimirs]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Shirl > wrote in news:Xmnushal8y-
> :
>
>> Shirl > wrote in
>>>> Thank you. We thought it was only here in AZ, where a lot of aspiring
>>>> airline pilots come to put in time since there are so many
>>>> good-weather flying days here. Nothing worse than being in the pattern
>>>> at an uncontrolled airport and hearing, "FDVHUdscr Trafffick, Cessna
>>>> ^%#s9, &&VSs, Gobbledegoop 1 mile, VFSDGXCxss, FDVHUdscr Traffick."
>>>>
>>>> Huh? 1 mile WHERE? How do these people pass the oral exam? Do they
>>>> understand US? Do they care?
>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>> You ought to hear some US pilots abroad.....
>> I'm sure that's true, and US pilots abroad should be able to communicate
>> clearly in languages spoken there, too.
>
> meant their knowledge and command of ICAO terms.
>
>
>
> For instance, the crew who were told to descend to 3,000' QNH 1018.
> "Could we have that in inches please?"
> OK, descend 36,000" 1018...
>
>
>
> Bertie
Uh yes, but down here in old Europe, we, all to often, get a Texan
airline pilot swallowing the last or middle syllable. I guess Pidgin
English *is* the true aviation language :P

[Mike]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> george > wrote in
> :
>
>> On Oct 20, 12:16 pm, "Mike" <nospam @ microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> "hello" > wrote in message
>>
>>> > "If you make us go around, you won't fly another leg for the rest
>>> > of the day" (I only say this when they a 30DME from the field and
>>> > still at 18000 Ft.")
>>>
>>> It still sounds as stupid the 2nd time around. In fact, more so.
>>
>> In this day and age of 'Cockpit Management' how long would Anthonys
>> new buddy last (outside MFS)
>>
>
> Actually, there are some rat ass companies flying jets around that fit
> this
> perfectly.

Are you saying there's hope for Anthony?

[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

jeremy schrieb:
> Martin Hotze wrote:
> (my offer for
>> free usenet access is still valid; our newsserver is among the TOP1000.)
>>
>>> Vaughn
>
>
> Does it access alt.binaries.food?

no binaries at all.

currently: http://www.hotze.com/index.php?page=newsfeed-peering

by the end of the year I expect to carry Big8 plus some local groups
minus some junk groups (but still without binaries).

> JJ

#m

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ microsoft.com> wrote in news:5P0Lk.2545$r_3.575
@nwrddc02.gnilink.net:

> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> george > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> On Oct 20, 12:16 pm, "Mike" <nospam @ microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>> "hello" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> > "If you make us go around, you won't fly another leg for the rest
>>>> > of the day" (I only say this when they a 30DME from the field and
>>>> > still at 18000 Ft.")
>>>>
>>>> It still sounds as stupid the 2nd time around. In fact, more so.
>>>
>>> In this day and age of 'Cockpit Management' how long would Anthonys
>>> new buddy last (outside MFS)
>>>
>>
>> Actually, there are some rat ass companies flying jets around that fit
>> this
>> perfectly.
>
> Are you saying there's hope for Anthony?
>
>

No, he'd have to leave his apartment to go flying....


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

vlastimirs > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Shirl > wrote in news:Xmnushal8y-
>> :
>>
>>> Shirl > wrote in
>>>>> Thank you. We thought it was only here in AZ, where a lot of
>>>>> aspiring airline pilots come to put in time since there are so
>>>>> many good-weather flying days here. Nothing worse than being in
>>>>> the pattern at an uncontrolled airport and hearing, "FDVHUdscr
>>>>> Trafffick, Cessna ^%#s9, &&VSs, Gobbledegoop 1 mile, VFSDGXCxss,
>>>>> FDVHUdscr Traffick."
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh? 1 mile WHERE? How do these people pass the oral exam? Do they
>>>>> understand US? Do they care?
>>> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>> You ought to hear some US pilots abroad.....
>>> I'm sure that's true, and US pilots abroad should be able to
>>> communicate clearly in languages spoken there, too.
>>
>> meant their knowledge and command of ICAO terms.
>>
>>
>>
>> For instance, the crew who were told to descend to 3,000' QNH 1018.
>> "Could we have that in inches please?"
>> OK, descend 36,000" 1018...
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
> Uh yes, but down here in old Europe, we, all to often, get a Texan
> airline pilot swallowing the last or middle syllable. I guess Pidgin
> English *is* the true aviation language :P



Yep!

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

jeremy > wrote in
:

> Shirl wrote:
> speaking FLUENT, clear and
>> *understandable* ENGLISH would be a pre-requisite ... but apparently
>> not!
>
> We tried to teach you Americans, but you refused to learn :-)

Well, you should have tried some of the techniques you used to teach
english elsewhere, then. Death or english was always a persuasive
technique.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

jeremy > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
>> Well, you should have tried some of the techniques you used to teach
>> english elsewhere, then. Death or english was always a persuasive
>> technique.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> We had much greater respect for the Native Americans than that, and
> often recruited them.
>

Yeah, right.


You were just peachy everywhere you went.

I wasn't talking about north america..


Remember? you said you failed there in any case.


Bertie

[Stella Starr]

Shirl wrote:
How do these people pass the oral exam?


There's an oral exam?
I missed it?

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

Stella Starr > wrote in
:

> Shirl wrote:
> How do these people pass the oral exam?
>
>
> There's an oral exam?
> I missed it?
>

There's an oral for type ratings. Also, the litle chat you have before any
flight test is an oral. The examiner is supposed to pay particular
attention to the ones you got wrong on the written..

Bertie

[Darkwing]

"Mike" <nospam @ microsoft.com> wrote in message
...
> "Morgans" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "hello" > wrote
>>
>>> But as I tell all my FO's (whether they speak English of not, IN
>>> ENGLISH), "If you make us go around, you won't fly another leg for the
>>> rest of the day." I only say this when they're at 30DME from the field
>>> and still at 18000 Ft.
>>
>> Well, THAT's real helpful for ensuring safety.
>>
>> If I'm riding, let everyone know before we take off, so I can get off.
>>
>> If going around is needed, I would prefer to go around, without fear of
>> punishment for the FO.
>>
>> But since you are posting without a real identity, you probably only fly
>> Microsoft flight simulators, so it really does not matter what you are
>> posting.
>
> So if he were to make up a "real" sounding name, perhaps something like
> Jim in NC, that would automatically make him a bonafide pilot?
>
>
>> --
>> Jim in NC
>>
>

Yes.

[Tom C]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> george > wrote in
> :
>
> Actually, there are some rat ass companies flying jets around that fit
> this
> perfectly.
>
>
> Bertie

Most of them fixed wing EMS.

Tom C

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Tom C" *> wrote in news:gdoqfc$d7e$1
@aioe.org:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> george > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> Actually, there are some rat ass companies flying jets around that fit
>> this
>> perfectly.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Most of them fixed wing EMS.

Really? I was thinking more of the Cockroach Corner guys..

[Morgans[_2_]]

"hello" > wrote

> It's comments like this that make airline captains not even want to share
> some insight.

> I won't be back, u wannabe clowns! No go play with your Wi.

So what you are saying (the only way I can find to interpret it) is that,
if the FO screws up, and makes you go around, he doesn't get to fly any
more? Seems like a good incentive for the FO to try to hold onto a screwed
up approach, and so, possibly kill everyone aboard the plane.

Again, let me know if I'm flying with a captain like that. I want to get
off before we leave.
--
Jim in NC