gutsy

[Frank Whiteley]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCbkBfdBrQ

[vontresc]

On Oct 29, 12:53*pm, Frank Whiteley > wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCbkBfdBrQ

Neat editing tricks......no way that is for real.

[Jim Logajan]

vontresc > wrote:
> On Oct 29, 12:53*pm, Frank Whiteley > wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCbkBfdBrQ
>
> Neat editing tricks......no way that is for real.

Possibly. But take a look at this interview:

http://www.jamesandersson.com/interview.html

Could be a great web PR spoof - what is missing is the alleged location of
the event and witnesses.

[db_sonic]

On Oct 29, 12:15*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> vontresc > wrote:
> > On Oct 29, 12:53*pm, Frank Whiteley > wrote:
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCbkBfdBrQ
>
> > Neat editing tricks......no way that is for real.
>
> Possibly. But take a look at this interview:
>
> http://www.jamesandersson.com/interview.html
>
> Could be a great web PR spoof - what is missing is the alleged location of
> the event and witnesses.

There are numerous videos of this being done with R/C aircraft of the
aerobatic type, Extras, Edges etc. So I think it possible. But
usually some damage is incurred. link below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaXMrFh3n7M

[vontresc]

On Oct 29, 3:30*pm, db_sonic > wrote:
> On Oct 29, 12:15*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
>
> > vontresc > wrote:
> > > On Oct 29, 12:53*pm, Frank Whiteley > wrote:
> > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCbkBfdBrQ
>
> > > Neat editing tricks......no way that is for real.
>
> > Possibly. But take a look at this interview:
>
> >http://www.jamesandersson.com/interview.html
>
> > Could be a great web PR spoof - what is missing is the alleged location of
> > the event and witnesses.
>
> There are numerous videos of this being done with R/C aircraft of the
> aerobatic type, Extras, Edges etc. *So I think it possible. *But
> usually some damage is incurred. link below
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaXMrFh3n7M

The interview was a bit sketchy, but check out his bio...
http://www.jamesandersson.com/biography.html .This is most definately
a PR campaign for whatever killathrill is.... this also explains why
he isn't in any redbull events http://www.jamesandersson.com/news.html
.. How Conveeenient. Besides most of the pics on his site are
photoshopped to pimp the sponsor.

Pete

[noel.wade]

It is most definitely fakery. If nothing else, the landing "bounce"
is wrong from a physics standpoint.

--Noel

[[email protected]]

On Oct 29, 4:43*pm, "noel.wade" > wrote:
> It is most definitely fakery. *If nothing else, the landing "bounce"
> is wrong from a physics standpoint.
>
> --Noel

There's an awful lot "wrong" in that video. But the clincher is that
if you look frame by frame while he's taxiing you can see that there's
no damage at all on the horizontal tail.

That's a con job.

[Bruce]

Now that's keeping your head.

Frank Whiteley wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCbkBfdBrQ

[Nyal Williams[_2_]]

I think it has been faked. Woman's voice didn't sound alarmed about the
wing. Plane flew upside down in level flight briefly on one wing. Came to
rest too suddenly after touching down. He was slow getting out -- notice
how slow he was latching the canopy open after it stopped and in his
int4rview he said he smelled gas; I think this was from another landing
-- notice that the right wing doesn't show.

At 20:51 29 October 2008, wrote:
>On Oct 29, 4:43=A0pm, "noel.wade" wrote:
>> It is most definitely fakery. =A0If nothing else, the landing
"bounce"
>> is wrong from a physics standpoint.
>>
>> --Noel
>
>There's an awful lot "wrong" in that video. But the clincher is
that
>if you look frame by frame while he's taxiing you can see that there's
>no damage at all on the horizontal tail.
>
>That's a con job.
>

[Ralph Jones[_2_]]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:53:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Whiteley
> wrote:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCbkBfdBrQ

Almost nothing about that video passes the smell test. Just a couple
of observations:

1) The wing root that's exposed just before the airplane turns around
on the runway has no broken spars sticking out of it. Instead, it
shows two nice round holes -- which looks just like the wing root of
an RC model. In this model class, the wings are connected to the
fuselage by aluminum tubes that telescope into fiberglass tubes built
into the structure.

2) After the airplane stops, it sits dead level on the gear, even
though there's ostensibly a few hundred pounds of wing missing from
the other side.

rj

[Ralph Jones[_2_]]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:42:06 -0600, Ralph Jones >
wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:53:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Whiteley
> wrote:
>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCbkBfdBrQ
>
>Almost nothing about that video passes the smell test. Just a couple
>of observations:
>
>1) The wing root that's exposed just before the airplane turns around
>on the runway has no broken spars sticking out of it. Instead, it
>shows two nice round holes -- which looks just like the wing root of
>an RC model. In this model class, the wings are connected to the
>fuselage by aluminum tubes that telescope into fiberglass tubes built
>into the structure.
>
>2) After the airplane stops, it sits dead level on the gear, even
>though there's ostensibly a few hundred pounds of wing missing from
>the other side.
>
Plus which, neither video shows a single frame of the "damaged"
airplane after the incident.

rj

[bildan]

Some other things I noticed: It appears that the airplane rolls
toward the 'good' wing instead of away from it as one would expect.
The airplane comes to rest essentially level with the 'good' wing
toward the camera when it's reasonable to expect that it would sag or
even touch the ground if the other wing is missing. Even the
'failure' occurred at low airspeed in near vertical flight instead of
under earlier high G loads. It looks like there may have been several
flights videotaped with conveniently timed out-of-focus intervals that
cover editing cuts and splices.

On Oct 29, 3:15*pm, Nyal Williams > wrote:
> I think it has been faked. *Woman's voice didn't sound alarmed about the
> wing. *Plane flew upside down in level flight briefly on one wing. *Came to
> rest too suddenly after touching down. He was slow getting out -- notice
> how slow he was latching the canopy open after it stopped and in his
> int4rview he said he smelled gas; *I think this was from another landing
> -- notice that the right wing doesn't show.
>
> At 20:51 29 October 2008, wrote:
>
> >On Oct 29, 4:43=A0pm, "noel.wade" *wrote:
> >> It is most definitely fakery. =A0If nothing else, the landing
> "bounce"
> >> is wrong from a physics standpoint.
>
> >> --Noel
>
> >There's an awful *lot "wrong" in that video. *But the clincher is
> that
> >if you look frame by frame while he's taxiing you can see that there's
> >no damage at all on the horizontal tail.
>
> >That's a con job.

[cfinn]

I think this is totally fabricated. A month ago a R/C flier lost a
wing while doing a high speed snap roll and was able to land the model
by basically flying it in knife edge. Modern R/C ships have such a
high power to weight ratio, you can hover them on the prop. Here's a
link to video and pictures, and the pilot's story:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=931845

Charlie

[[email protected]]

On Oct 29, 11:53*am, Frank Whiteley > wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCbkBfdBrQ

For crying out loud! That's fake as hell.

Not saying it's impossible. But that video is a weak fabrication.

[Martin Gregorie[_4_]]

Here's another pilot's account of a real wing fold.

http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/repeats/zlin_wing_failure.htm


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[vic20owner]

On Oct 29, 2:55 pm, vontresc > wrote:
> On Oct 29, 12:53 pm, Frank Whiteley > wrote:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCbkBfdBrQ
>
> Neat editing tricks......no way that is for real.

Totally fake, but here's a story of an F15 landing with one wing (for
real).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVkB7V-JybY

[Vaughn Simon]

"Martin Gregorie" > wrote in message
...
>
> Here's another pilot's account of a real wing fold.
>
> http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/repeats/zlin_wing_failure.htm
>

I distinctly remember a wild story of a lucky fellow who survived after a
1-26 lost some important parts in a thunderstorm, but a Google search turns up
fruitless. Does anyone remember?

Vaughn

[[email protected]]

On Oct 30, 10:56*am, "Vaughn Simon"
> wrote:
> "Martin Gregorie" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > Here's another pilot's account of a real wing fold.
>
> >http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/repeats/zlin_wing_failure.htm
>
> * *I distinctly remember a wild story of a lucky fellow who survived after a
> 1-26 lost some important parts in a thunderstorm, but a Google search turns up
> fruitless. *Does anyone remember?
>
> Vaughn

http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?ev_id=20001208X08467&key=1

The events preceding the wing separation as reported to the NTSB are
<ahem> not exactly the way the story was retold in the local
community.

-T8

[Brian Bange[_2_]]

As I recall, it was published in Soaring. The pilot flew into cloud and
pulled a wing off. The aircraft spiralled down into trees at a golf
course. The trees and bushes broke the fall and the pilot survived.

Brian

At 14:56 30 October 2008, Vaughn Simon wrote:
>
>"Martin Gregorie" wrote in message
...
>>
>> Here's another pilot's account of a real wing fold.
>>
>> http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/repeats/zlin_wing_failure.htm
>>
>
> I distinctly remember a wild story of a lucky fellow who survived
after
>a
>1-26 lost some important parts in a thunderstorm, but a Google search
>turns up
>fruitless. Does anyone remember?
>
>Vaughn
>
>
>
>
>

[Frank Whiteley]

On Oct 29, 9:27*pm, wrote:
> On Oct 29, 11:53*am, Frank Whiteley > wrote:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCbkBfdBrQ
>
> For crying out loud! *That's fake as hell.
>
> Not saying it's impossible. *But that video is a weak fabrication.

Apparently it's a production of a sports apparel company. Probably
have the opposite effect they've intended.

Frank Whiteley