Losing a wing in flight?

[cavelamb himself[_4_]]

I can't decide.

Did this really happen?

Or is it doctored?

Too much important stuff happens off screen, and the landing
doesn't look real.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6LjeAEPJk
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[cavelamb himself[_4_]]

cavelamb himself wrote:

> I can't decide.
>
> Did this really happen?
>
> Or is it doctored?
>
> Too much important stuff happens off screen, and the landing
> doesn't look real.
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6LjeAEPJk

Oh yeah...

http://www.reggiepaulk.com/2008/10/killathrill-generates-huge-buzz-with.html

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[Jim Logajan]

cavelamb himself > wrote:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6LjeAEPJk

This is the "original" Youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCbkBfdBrQ

> I can't decide.
>
> Did this really happen?

No.

> Or is it doctored?

Yes. It is a viral marketing for the website killathrill.com.
In the link I gave, look closely to see what happens at:

:17 secs: Why did the wing break off so silently!? All sorts of
other wonderful background sounds can be heard - why not that!?

:19 secs: "Where's his right wing?" Gee - 2 seconds after a wing
comes off during a spin, a person near the camera immediately knows
which wing came off and is specific about it. Yeah, right.

:52 secs: The Piper(?) in the background would have to be huge to
appear nearly the same size as the foreground plane. Now if the plane
with the missing wing was a RC model or computer graphic....

:53 to :55 secs: Gee, what's happening to the rear wheel? Comes and
goes like a ghost. Now _why_ do you suppose that is?

I'm sure there are other hints.

> Too much important stuff happens off screen, and the landing
> doesn't look real.
>

If you check out the "more info" of the "original" Youtube link I gave
above you will see various keywords that include the alleged name of the
pilot: "James Andersson". It isn't hard to locate his alleged web page
which includes a "post accident" interview:

http://www.jamesandersson.com/video01.html

But after much searching I've determined there has never been anyone by
that name in the Red Bull races. (I even sent a message to "James" using
that web site's contact page. Never got back a response.) I'm not the
only one who came to the conclusion it's bull: scroll down to message 8
on this web page and read a deeper analysis into the techniques used:

http://boards.historychannel.com/topic/World-War-Ii/The-Worlds-Best/520020011

[Jim Logajan]

cavelamb himself > wrote:
> cavelamb himself wrote:
>
>> I can't decide.
>>
>> Did this really happen?
>>
>> Or is it doctored?
>>
>> Too much important stuff happens off screen, and the landing
>> doesn't look real.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6LjeAEPJk
>
> Oh yeah...
>
> http://www.reggiepaulk.com/2008/10/killathrill-generates-huge-buzz-with
> .html

Debunked using just two stills:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J72y_qFV2oc

[cavelamb himself[_4_]]

Jim Logajan wrote:
>
> But after much searching I've determined there has never been anyone by
> that name in the Red Bull races. (I even sent a message to "James" using
> that web site's contact page. Never got back a response.) I'm not the
> only one who came to the conclusion it's bull: scroll down to message 8
> on this web page and read a deeper analysis into the techniques used:
>
> http://boards.historychannel.com/topic/World-War-Ii/The-Worlds-Best/520020011


I figered it out after posting the first one.
My second has the link to the actual event.




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[Scott[_7_]]

cavelamb himself wrote:
> I can't decide.
>
> Did this really happen?
>
> Or is it doctored?
>
> Too much important stuff happens off screen, and the landing
> doesn't look real.
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6LjeAEPJk

Here you can decide for yourself...

http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/AVwebInsiderBlog_ViralVideo_KillaThrill_LostWingLa nding_199096-1.html

Scott

[Larry D. Cosby]

>> I can't decide.
>>
>> Did this really happen?
>>
>> Or is it doctored?
>>
>> Too much important stuff happens off screen, and the landing
>> doesn't look real

This incident is fake, however Rockwell Collins is currently working on this
very subject. The following link has a video showing an F-18 scale model
flying with 60 % of the wing missing.
http://www.rockwellcollins.com/news/video/damage-tolerance.html

[Alan Baker]

In article >,
"Larry D. Cosby" <lcosby at knology dot net> wrote:

> >> I can't decide.
> >>
> >> Did this really happen?
> >>
> >> Or is it doctored?
> >>
> >> Too much important stuff happens off screen, and the landing
> >> doesn't look real
>
> This incident is fake, however Rockwell Collins is currently working on this
> very subject. The following link has a video showing an F-18 scale model
> flying with 60 % of the wing missing.
> http://www.rockwellcollins.com/news/video/damage-tolerance.html

AFAICT, this incident isn't a fake:

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_EXtBEaBbs>

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Alan Baker
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[cavelamb himself[_4_]]

Alan Baker wrote:
> In article >,
> "Larry D. Cosby" <lcosby at knology dot net> wrote:
>
>
>>>>I can't decide.
>>>>
>>>>Did this really happen?
>>>>
>>>>Or is it doctored?
>>>>
>>>>Too much important stuff happens off screen, and the landing
>>>>doesn't look real
>>
>>This incident is fake, however Rockwell Collins is currently working on this
>>very subject. The following link has a video showing an F-18 scale model
>>flying with 60 % of the wing missing.
>>http://www.rockwellcollins.com/news/video/damage-tolerance.html
>
>
> AFAICT, this incident isn't a fake:
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_EXtBEaBbs>
>


Uh, ok, what part of it is not fake?

It's a History Channel dramatization!

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[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Larry D. Cosby" <lcosby at knology dot net> wrote in message
...
|
| >> I can't decide.
| >>
| >> Did this really happen?
| >>
| >> Or is it doctored?
| >>
| >> Too much important stuff happens off screen, and the landing
| >> doesn't look real
|
| This incident is fake, however Rockwell Collins is currently working on
this
| very subject. The following link has a video showing an F-18 scale model
| flying with 60 % of the wing missing.
| http://www.rockwellcollins.com/news/video/damage-tolerance.html
|
|
|

Back in the mid to late 70s, there was a story published nationally, I
believe in Flying Magazine. IIRC, an instructor in a 150 survived a mid air
after loosing all the wing past the strut.

I think he found himself in a dive immediately after impact, and had to
maintain something like 140 knots with almost full control deflection, to
keep the wings level back to the airport. I don't recall him actually being
in the pattern when the accident took place, but he was at least close
enough to make the runway at 140 knots.

[Alan Baker]

In article >,
cavelamb himself > wrote:

> Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Larry D. Cosby" <lcosby at knology dot net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>>I can't decide.
> >>>>
> >>>>Did this really happen?
> >>>>
> >>>>Or is it doctored?
> >>>>
> >>>>Too much important stuff happens off screen, and the landing
> >>>>doesn't look real
> >>
> >>This incident is fake, however Rockwell Collins is currently working on
> >>this
> >>very subject. The following link has a video showing an F-18 scale model
> >>flying with 60 % of the wing missing.
> >>http://www.rockwellcollins.com/news/video/damage-tolerance.html
> >
> >
> > AFAICT, this incident isn't a fake:
> >
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_EXtBEaBbs>
> >
>
>
> Uh, ok, what part of it is not fake?
>
> It's a History Channel dramatization!

The video at the end of the aircraft with no wing. The interview with
the pilot.

I didn't say they showed the incident, I said the incident was a facke.

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Vancouver, British Columbia
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[Flyingmonk[_1_]]

On Nov 4, 12:01 am, cavelamb himself > wrote:
> I can't decide.
>
> Did this really happen?
>
> Or is it doctored?
>
> Too much important stuff happens off screen, and the landing
> doesn't look real.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6LjeAEPJk
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> Richard
>
> (remove the X to email)

I'm surprised that an experienced pilot such as yourself would even
think for a moment that that video could be all real.

Monk

[cavelamb himself[_4_]]

Flyingmonk wrote:

> On Nov 4, 12:01 am, cavelamb himself > wrote:
>
>>I can't decide.
>>
>>Did this really happen?
>>
>>Or is it doctored?
>>
>>Too much important stuff happens off screen, and the landing
>>doesn't look real.
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6LjeAEPJk
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>>Richard
>>
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>
>
> I'm surprised that an experienced pilot such as yourself would even
> think for a moment that that video could be all real.
>
> Monk

Not at all, Mr. Monk.

But it might makean interesting topic for discussion.

It was getting kinda dull in here...

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[Barnyard BOb]

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:36:32 -0600, cavelamb himself
> wrote:
>> I'm surprised that an experienced pilot such as yourself would even
>> think for a moment that that video could be all real.
>>
>> Monk
>
>Not at all, Mr. Monk.
>
>But it might makean interesting topic for discussion.
>
>It was getting kinda dull in here...

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Unless this nonsense gets put out of its misery immediately,
if not sooner..... DULLNESS has "kinda" returned! :-)

Until technology can improve piston power to weight dramatically for
real aircraft, performance of this sort remains in the model world.


- Barnyard BOb -
CAA/FAA licensed and active since 1954

[Larry D. Cosby]

> Until technology can improve piston power to weight dramatically for
> real aircraft, performance of this sort remains in the model world.

- Barnyard BOb -
> CAA/FAA licensed and active since 1954

Not necessarily true! You can see the video of the model that Rockwell
Collins is testing. The software is meant to be implemented in all types of
aircraft eventually. Any aircraft with an autopilot and this software will
be able to duplicate what only a few lucky people have done. The model is
just a test bed to debug the software.

Yes I have seen the video of model r/c aircraft that have been landed with
only one wing also. These examples are just luck and the power to weight
ratio of models. Not to mention the skill of the model operator.

[cavelamb himself[_5_]]

Barnyard BOb wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:36:32 -0600, cavelamb himself
> > wrote:
>
>>>I'm surprised that an experienced pilot such as yourself would even
>>>think for a moment that that video could be all real.
>>>
>>>Monk
>>
>>Not at all, Mr. Monk.
>>
>>But it might makean interesting topic for discussion.
>>
>>It was getting kinda dull in here...
>
>
> -=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> Unless this nonsense gets put out of its misery immediately,
> if not sooner..... DULLNESS has "kinda" returned! :-)
>
> Until technology can improve piston power to weight dramatically for
> real aircraft, performance of this sort remains in the model world.
>
>
> - Barnyard BOb -
> CAA/FAA licensed and active since 1954
>
>

You may have a point...