R.S.Hoover's Back Operation

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Hi guys,

I'm doing good. They DID do the procedure. The pain was an artifact
OF the procedure. I should of been FORCED to take the painkillers
about 1500 instead of being allowed to sleep. But the instructions
fell into an information gap somewhere between the physician and me.

I'll probably end up addicted to morphine but I'm willing, so long as
it keeps the pain at bay. Which it does, if they give me enough of
it.

Right now I'm feeling no pain; shoulld be able to bathe by myself.
Mixed feelings about that :-)

Lab results are VERY GOOD. Going down this morning for another check
but if the present trend continues, I'm on the road to recovery, at
least from that portion of the PAIN. If we can keep the pain
corralled we're good to go for a more aggressive chemotherapy regime;
go after the tumor where it lives. The more of it we can eat up with
the chemo, the better my chances of being around for Christmas. And
beyond.

Vetebroplasty. Good medicine. Cats gave me head-dives this morning
as I WALKED amongst them. No canes. And NO PAIN.

Still got a few probllems to work out, such as no strength, but the
lab reports say the demon is back in its cave. So take a bow, guys.
A lot of this has been due to your support, most of which has not been
publicly posted. Hell of a note, Badwater Bill and all, happening at
the same time. I'd rather have the pain if it would bring him back.

-R.S.Hoover

[Harry K]

On Nov 12, 7:54*am, " > wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm doing good. *They DID do the procedure. *The pain was an artifact
> OF the procedure. *I should of been FORCED to take the painkillers
> about 1500 instead of being allowed to sleep. *But the instructions
> fell into an information gap somewhere between the physician and me.
>
> I'll probably end up addicted to morphine but I'm willing, so long as
> it keeps the pain at bay. *Which it does, if they give me enough of
> it.
>
> Right now I'm feeling no pain; shoulld be able to bathe by myself.
> Mixed feelings about that :-)
>
> Lab results are VERY GOOD. *Going down this morning for another check
> but if the present trend continues, I'm on the road to recovery, at
> least from that portion of the PAIN. *If we can keep the pain
> corralled we're good to go for a more aggressive chemotherapy regime;
> go after the tumor where it lives. * The more of it we can eat up with
> the chemo, the better my chances of being around for Christmas. *And
> beyond.
>
> Vetebroplasty. *Good medicine. *Cats gave me head-dives this morning
> as I WALKED amongst them. *No canes. *And NO PAIN.
>
> Still got a few probllems to work out, such as no strength, *but the
> lab reports say the demon is back in its cave. *So take a bow, guys.
> A lot of this has been due to your support, most of which has not been
> publicly posted. *Hell of a note, Badwater Bill and all, happening at
> the same time. *I'd rather have the pain if it would bring him back.
>
> -R.S.Hoover

That is good news. Glad to hear you are mobile again. I don't post a
lot here but do follow it daily.

Harry K

[Copperhead]

On Nov 12, 9:54*am, " > wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm doing good. *They DID do the procedure. *The pain was an artifact
> OF the procedure. *I should of been FORCED to take the painkillers
> about 1500 instead of being allowed to sleep. *But the instructions
> fell into an information gap somewhere between the physician and me.
>
> I'll probably end up addicted to morphine but I'm willing, so long as
> it keeps the pain at bay. *Which it does, if they give me enough of
> it.
>
> Right now I'm feeling no pain; shoulld be able to bathe by myself.
> Mixed feelings about that :-)
>
> Lab results are VERY GOOD. *Going down this morning for another check
> but if the present trend continues, I'm on the road to recovery, at
> least from that portion of the PAIN. *If we can keep the pain
> corralled we're good to go for a more aggressive chemotherapy regime;
> go after the tumor where it lives. * The more of it we can eat up with
> the chemo, the better my chances of being around for Christmas. *And
> beyond.
>
> Vetebroplasty. *Good medicine. *Cats gave me head-dives this morning
> as I WALKED amongst them. *No canes. *And NO PAIN.
>
> Still got a few probllems to work out, such as no strength, *but the
> lab reports say the demon is back in its cave. *So take a bow, guys.
> A lot of this has been due to your support, most of which has not been
> publicly posted. *Hell of a note, Badwater Bill and all, happening at
> the same time. *I'd rather have the pain if it would bring him back.
>
> -R.S.Hoover

Hooray and thank goodness, Bob you were way overdue for a reprieve.
Next Christmas indeed, you’ve got to stick around and pass on know how
and stories to all of us a whole lot longer than that. Strength will
come back to you with a bit of time and exercise, as strong willed and
self determined “crusty?” an individualist as you are I certain
you’ll achieve remarkable results. Hang in their and “Press the
Fight”.

Joe

[Blueskies]

> wrote in message ...
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm doing good. They DID do the procedure. The pain was an artifact
> OF the procedure. I should of been FORCED to take the painkillers
> about 1500 instead of being allowed to sleep. But the instructions
> fell into an information gap somewhere between the physician and me.
>
> I'll probably end up addicted to morphine but I'm willing, so long as
> it keeps the pain at bay. Which it does, if they give me enough of
> it.
>
> Right now I'm feeling no pain; shoulld be able to bathe by myself.
> Mixed feelings about that :-)
>
> Lab results are VERY GOOD. Going down this morning for another check
> but if the present trend continues, I'm on the road to recovery, at
> least from that portion of the PAIN. If we can keep the pain
> corralled we're good to go for a more aggressive chemotherapy regime;
> go after the tumor where it lives. The more of it we can eat up with
> the chemo, the better my chances of being around for Christmas. And
> beyond.
>
> Vetebroplasty. Good medicine. Cats gave me head-dives this morning
> as I WALKED amongst them. No canes. And NO PAIN.
>
> Still got a few probllems to work out, such as no strength, but the
> lab reports say the demon is back in its cave. So take a bow, guys.
> A lot of this has been due to your support, most of which has not been
> publicly posted. Hell of a note, Badwater Bill and all, happening at
> the same time. I'd rather have the pain if it would bring him back.
>
> -R.S.Hoover

My wife went through back surgery last May, and she is doing great. I hope the same for you! Just don't push it and be
sure to get through that communication barrier information gap with the doc...

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

> wrote in message
...
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm doing good. They DID do the procedure. The pain was an artifact
> OF the procedure. I should of been FORCED to take the painkillers
> about 1500 instead of being allowed to sleep. But the instructions
> fell into an information gap somewhere between the physician and me.
>
> I'll probably end up addicted to morphine but I'm willing, so long as
> it keeps the pain at bay. Which it does, if they give me enough of
> it.

Yea, it's good stuff.

Hang in there.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[Tim Ward[_1_]]

> wrote in message
...
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm doing good. They DID do the procedure. The pain was an artifact
> OF the procedure. I should of been FORCED to take the painkillers
> about 1500 instead of being allowed to sleep. But the instructions
> fell into an information gap somewhere between the physician and me.
>
> I'll probably end up addicted to morphine but I'm willing, so long as
> it keeps the pain at bay. Which it does, if they give me enough of
> it.
>
> Right now I'm feeling no pain; shoulld be able to bathe by myself.
> Mixed feelings about that :-)
> -R.S.Hoover

Glad you're feeling better. According to my surgeon friend, if you're
taking it for real pain, addiction is unlikely. Use what it takes. You'll
feel better, you'll heal faster.
And then Modern Medicine can figure out something else to do to you.

Tim Ward

[flash]

> wrote in message
...
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm doing good. They DID do the procedure. The pain was an artifact
> OF the procedure. I should of been FORCED to take the painkillers
> about 1500 instead of being allowed to sleep. But the instructions
> fell into an information gap somewhere between the physician and me.
>
> I'll probably end up addicted to morphine but I'm willing, so long as
> it keeps the pain at bay. Which it does, if they give me enough of
> it.
>
> Right now I'm feeling no pain; shoulld be able to bathe by myself.
> Mixed feelings about that :-)
>
> Lab results are VERY GOOD. Going down this morning for another check
> but if the present trend continues, I'm on the road to recovery, at
> least from that portion of the PAIN. If we can keep the pain
> corralled we're good to go for a more aggressive chemotherapy regime;
> go after the tumor where it lives. The more of it we can eat up with
> the chemo, the better my chances of being around for Christmas. And
> beyond.
>
> Vetebroplasty. Good medicine. Cats gave me head-dives this morning
> as I WALKED amongst them. No canes. And NO PAIN.
>
> Still got a few probllems to work out, such as no strength, but the
> lab reports say the demon is back in its cave. So take a bow, guys.
> A lot of this has been due to your support, most of which has not been
> publicly posted. Hell of a note, Badwater Bill and all, happening at
> the same time. I'd rather have the pain if it would bring him back.
>
> -R.S.Hoover



God Bless you, Bob. Never give up the ship.

Don't be bashful about taking the medication. "Morphine is your best
firend", my doc used to say, applicable to times when you are hurting. The
releif promotes the healing.

Or as we used to say, "Better living through chemistry". . . . wait, that
was from a commercial, wasn't it.



Flash

[John Ammeter]

Flash wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I'm doing good. They DID do the procedure. The pain was an artifact
>> OF the procedure. I should of been FORCED to take the painkillers
>> about 1500 instead of being allowed to sleep. But the instructions
>> fell into an information gap somewhere between the physician and me.
>>
>> I'll probably end up addicted to morphine but I'm willing, so long as
>> it keeps the pain at bay. Which it does, if they give me enough of
>> it.
>>
>> Right now I'm feeling no pain; shoulld be able to bathe by myself.
>> Mixed feelings about that :-)
>>
>> Lab results are VERY GOOD. Going down this morning for another check
>> but if the present trend continues, I'm on the road to recovery, at
>> least from that portion of the PAIN. If we can keep the pain
>> corralled we're good to go for a more aggressive chemotherapy regime;
>> go after the tumor where it lives. The more of it we can eat up with
>> the chemo, the better my chances of being around for Christmas. And
>> beyond.
>>
>> Vetebroplasty. Good medicine. Cats gave me head-dives this morning
>> as I WALKED amongst them. No canes. And NO PAIN.
>>
>> Still got a few probllems to work out, such as no strength, but the
>> lab reports say the demon is back in its cave. So take a bow, guys.
>> A lot of this has been due to your support, most of which has not been
>> publicly posted. Hell of a note, Badwater Bill and all, happening at
>> the same time. I'd rather have the pain if it would bring him back.
>>
>> -R.S.Hoover
>
>
>
> God Bless you, Bob. Never give up the ship.
>
> Don't be bashful about taking the medication. "Morphine is your best
> firend", my doc used to say, applicable to times when you are hurting. The
> releif promotes the healing.
>
> Or as we used to say, "Better living through chemistry". . . . wait, that
> was from a commercial, wasn't it.
>
>
>
> Flash
>
>
I recall the relief I got from morphine when I had a kidney stone...
sure was nice...

John

[Bob Murray]

> wrote in message
...
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm doing good. They DID do the procedure. The pain was an artifact
> OF the procedure. I should of been FORCED to take the painkillers
> about 1500 instead of being allowed to sleep. But the instructions
> fell into an information gap somewhere between the physician and me.
>
> I'll probably end up addicted to morphine but I'm willing, so long as
> it keeps the pain at bay. Which it does, if they give me enough of
> it.
>
> Right now I'm feeling no pain; shoulld be able to bathe by myself.
> Mixed feelings about that :-)
>
> Lab results are VERY GOOD. Going down this morning for another check
> but if the present trend continues, I'm on the road to recovery, at
> least from that portion of the PAIN. If we can keep the pain
> corralled we're good to go for a more aggressive chemotherapy regime;
> go after the tumor where it lives. The more of it we can eat up with
> the chemo, the better my chances of being around for Christmas. And
> beyond.
>
> Vetebroplasty. Good medicine. Cats gave me head-dives this morning
> as I WALKED amongst them. No canes. And NO PAIN.
>
> Still got a few probllems to work out, such as no strength, but the
> lab reports say the demon is back in its cave. So take a bow, guys.
> A lot of this has been due to your support, most of which has not been
> publicly posted. Hell of a note, Badwater Bill and all, happening at
> the same time. I'd rather have the pain if it would bring him back.
>
> -R.S.Hoover

Glad it's working. I know you have a lot more sea stories to pass on.

Bob

[Morgans[_2_]]

> wrote in message
...
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm doing good. They DID do the procedure. The pain was an artifact
> OF the procedure. I should of been FORCED to take the painkillers
> about 1500 instead of being allowed to sleep. But the instructions
> fell into an information gap somewhere between the physician and me.

Yep. Happens at times.

Difference between you and me must be that you put up with the pain, and I
would have been on the phone whinning for more and better pain meds! <g>

>
> I'll probably end up addicted to morphine but I'm willing, so long as
> it keeps the pain at bay. Which it does, if they give me enough of
> it.

Hell with the addiction. You can worry about beating that, later. Tests
have shown that patients heal better, and faster, when pain is under
control.

> Lab results are VERY GOOD. Going down this morning for another check
> but if the present trend continues, I'm on the road to recovery, at
> least from that portion of the PAIN. If we can keep the pain
> corralled we're good to go for a more aggressive chemotherapy regime;
> go after the tumor where it lives. The more of it we can eat up with
> the chemo, the better my chances of being around for Christmas. And
> beyond.

Damn good news!

> Vetebroplasty. Good medicine. Cats gave me head-dives this morning
> as I WALKED amongst them. No canes. And NO PAIN.

And what more can a person ask for, except perhaps no cats? <g>
Keep it going like this, and chugger will be chugging in no time!
--
Jim in NC

[Charlie[_2_]]

wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm doing good. They DID do the procedure. The pain was an artifact
> OF the procedure. I should of been FORCED to take the painkillers
> about 1500 instead of being allowed to sleep. But the instructions
> fell into an information gap somewhere between the physician and me.
>
> I'll probably end up addicted to morphine but I'm willing, so long as
> it keeps the pain at bay. Which it does, if they give me enough of
> it.
>
> Right now I'm feeling no pain; shoulld be able to bathe by myself.
> Mixed feelings about that :-)
>
> Lab results are VERY GOOD. Going down this morning for another check
> but if the present trend continues, I'm on the road to recovery, at
> least from that portion of the PAIN. If we can keep the pain
> corralled we're good to go for a more aggressive chemotherapy regime;
> go after the tumor where it lives. The more of it we can eat up with
> the chemo, the better my chances of being around for Christmas. And
> beyond.
>
> Vetebroplasty. Good medicine. Cats gave me head-dives this morning
> as I WALKED amongst them. No canes. And NO PAIN.
>
> Still got a few probllems to work out, such as no strength, but the
> lab reports say the demon is back in its cave. So take a bow, guys.
> A lot of this has been due to your support, most of which has not been
> publicly posted. Hell of a note, Badwater Bill and all, happening at
> the same time. I'd rather have the pain if it would bring him back.
>
> -R.S.Hoover
Happy to hear that you're doing better. From a purely personal & selfish
standpoint, I'd hate to lose your great info & writing style. :-)

A word of advice on interaction with the medical community, at the risk
of offending med pros:

Always, Always take someone with you who has good hearing, a reasonable
level of intelligence, and your best interest at heart when you speak
with health care pros, and if possible, have someone in the room with
you 24/7 in the hospital. My wife & I have had more than our share of
interaction with the medical system over the last few years, through our
own needs and those of family members.

You need a second set of ears because you aren't likely to hear
everything & also might misinterpret something that another's
perspective can help you understand.

You need someone with you in hospital because health care staff are all
grossly overworked (profit motive & next quarter balance sheet view of
the hospital corp, even if the hospital has a religious name in front,
or overwhelming bureaucracy in state/fed hospitals) and even if they
want to give good care, they make MANY mistakes if actions aren't
monitored by someone who cares. (Hospitals, through mistakes/malpractice
kill something like 6 or 7 times more people each year than guns in the
USA.)

Your best self-help in getting healthy is someone to 'watch your back'
while in the medical system.

Charlie

[Stuart Fields]

"Charlie" > wrote in message
. ..
> wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I'm doing good. They DID do the procedure. The pain was an artifact
>> OF the procedure. I should of been FORCED to take the painkillers
>> about 1500 instead of being allowed to sleep. But the instructions
>> fell into an information gap somewhere between the physician and me.
>>
>> I'll probably end up addicted to morphine but I'm willing, so long as
>> it keeps the pain at bay. Which it does, if they give me enough of
>> it.
>>
>> Right now I'm feeling no pain; shoulld be able to bathe by myself.
>> Mixed feelings about that :-)
>>
>> Lab results are VERY GOOD. Going down this morning for another check
>> but if the present trend continues, I'm on the road to recovery, at
>> least from that portion of the PAIN. If we can keep the pain
>> corralled we're good to go for a more aggressive chemotherapy regime;
>> go after the tumor where it lives. The more of it we can eat up with
>> the chemo, the better my chances of being around for Christmas. And
>> beyond.
>>
>> Vetebroplasty. Good medicine. Cats gave me head-dives this morning
>> as I WALKED amongst them. No canes. And NO PAIN.
>>
>> Still got a few probllems to work out, such as no strength, but the
>> lab reports say the demon is back in its cave. So take a bow, guys.
>> A lot of this has been due to your support, most of which has not been
>> publicly posted. Hell of a note, Badwater Bill and all, happening at
>> the same time. I'd rather have the pain if it would bring him back.
>>
>> -R.S.Hoover
> Happy to hear that you're doing better. From a purely personal & selfish
> standpoint, I'd hate to lose your great info & writing style. :-)
>
> A word of advice on interaction with the medical community, at the risk of
> offending med pros:
>
> Always, Always take someone with you who has good hearing, a reasonable
> level of intelligence, and your best interest at heart when you speak with
> health care pros, and if possible, have someone in the room with you 24/7
> in the hospital. My wife & I have had more than our share of interaction
> with the medical system over the last few years, through our own needs and
> those of family members.
>
> You need a second set of ears because you aren't likely to hear everything
> & also might misinterpret something that another's perspective can help
> you understand.
>
> You need someone with you in hospital because health care staff are all
> grossly overworked (profit motive & next quarter balance sheet view of the
> hospital corp, even if the hospital has a religious name in front, or
> overwhelming bureaucracy in state/fed hospitals) and even if they want to
> give good care, they make MANY mistakes if actions aren't monitored by
> someone who cares. (Hospitals, through mistakes/malpractice kill something
> like 6 or 7 times more people each year than guns in the USA.)
>
> Your best self-help in getting healthy is someone to 'watch your back'
> while in the medical system.
>
> Charlie

I'll second, third and fourth Charlies advise. Right after open heart
surgery, I found myself with what looked and felt like three garden hoses
going down my throat and had both hands and feet restrained. I was not
getting enough oxygen and thought that I was going to die trying to breathe.
I tried but couldn't communicate with the nurse so this sucking real hard
trying to get air lasted for three hours. As soon as they pulled out their
garden hoses, it was like someone turned on the oxygen. I told the staff
that there needed to be someway to communicate. Had my wife been in there,
probably not possible, I think she would have got the message and been able
to get me some help. Also while riding a wheel chair down the hall with a
file folder, assumed to be mine on my lap, I got curious and opened it to
find someone elses name. I didnt' get to see if I was scheduled to give
birth, have a leg removed, or be checked for insanity. I've heard of nurses
painting words on limbs saying "Not this one".

[flash]

"John Ammeter" > wrote in message
news:HOydnRpjEeAuLYbUnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@cablespeedmi .com...
>
>
> Flash wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> I'm doing good. They DID do the procedure. The pain was an artifact
>>> OF the procedure. I should of been FORCED to take the painkillers
>>> about 1500 instead of being allowed to sleep. But the instructions
>>> fell into an information gap somewhere between the physician and me.
>>>
>>> I'll probably end up addicted to morphine but I'm willing, so long as
>>> it keeps the pain at bay. Which it does, if they give me enough of
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Right now I'm feeling no pain; shoulld be able to bathe by myself.
>>> Mixed feelings about that :-)
>>>
>>> Lab results are VERY GOOD. Going down this morning for another check
>>> but if the present trend continues, I'm on the road to recovery, at
>>> least from that portion of the PAIN. If we can keep the pain
>>> corralled we're good to go for a more aggressive chemotherapy regime;
>>> go after the tumor where it lives. The more of it we can eat up with
>>> the chemo, the better my chances of being around for Christmas. And
>>> beyond.
>>>
>>> Vetebroplasty. Good medicine. Cats gave me head-dives this morning
>>> as I WALKED amongst them. No canes. And NO PAIN.
>>>
>>> Still got a few probllems to work out, such as no strength, but the
>>> lab reports say the demon is back in its cave. So take a bow, guys.
>>> A lot of this has been due to your support, most of which has not been
>>> publicly posted. Hell of a note, Badwater Bill and all, happening at
>>> the same time. I'd rather have the pain if it would bring him back.
>>>
>>> -R.S.Hoover
>>
>>
>>
>> God Bless you, Bob. Never give up the ship.
>>
>> Don't be bashful about taking the medication. "Morphine is your best
>> firend", my doc used to say, applicable to times when you are hurting.
>> The releif promotes the healing.
>>
>> Or as we used to say, "Better living through chemistry". . . . wait,
>> that was from a commercial, wasn't it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Flash
> I recall the relief I got from morphine when I had a kidney stone... sure
> was nice...
>
> John



Did that too this summer, John. Quote (echo): "sure was nice".

Flash

[Morgans[_2_]]

>> I recall the relief I got from morphine when I had a kidney stone... sure
>> was nice...
>>
>> John
>
> Did that too this summer, John. Quote (echo): "sure was nice".
>
> Flash


Do yourself a favor, and go see a urologist, and do a 24 hour urine catch
test.

I had about 15 stones, ended up having to get one cut out, and did the test.

I have not had ONE SINGLE STONE, since then, and all I did different is take
one small diuretic pill.

Did I mention that it is nice not to NEED morphine? <g>

Morphine has been my friend in the hospital before, though.

Yep, there isn't much anything better, when you need it.

My kids still tell stories of how I was saying, "morphine is my friend" with
a stupid grin, lying in the hospital bed. <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Richard Riley[_1_]]

On Nov 13, 7:21*pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
> >> I recall the relief I got from morphine when I had a kidney stone... sure
> >> was nice...
>
> >> John
>
> > Did that too this summer, John. * Quote (echo): "sure was nice".
>
> > Flash
>
> Do yourself a favor, and go see a urologist, and do a 24 hour urine catch
> test.
>
> I had about 15 stones, ended up having to get one cut out, and did the test.
>
> I have not had ONE SINGLE STONE, since then, and all I did different is take
> one small diuretic pill.
>
> Did I mention that it is nice not to NEED morphine? <g>
>
> Morphine has been my friend in the hospital before, though.
>
> Yep, there isn't much anything better, when you need it.
>
> My kids still tell stories of how I was saying, "morphine is my friend" with
> a stupid grin, lying in the hospital bed. <g>
> --
> Jim in NC

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWE1YTg0N2I5OTQ1ZWNkYjFmYTNjZjQ2ZmMzYmM5ZjA=

[Morgans[_2_]]

> My kids still tell stories of how I was saying, "morphine is my friend"
> with
> a stupid grin, lying in the hospital bed. <g>
> --
> Jim in NC

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWE1YTg0N2I5OTQ1ZWNkYjFmYTNjZjQ2ZmMzYmM5ZjA=

Excellent, Richard. He got a lot of things really right, and was funny,
too!

Believe it or not, I have experienced pain so intense, that I would have
begged for a kidney stone, or killed myself if I had been able to get to a
gun.

I had a staple blow off of a gall bladder removal, and it filled my gut with
one liter of bile, before they got around to figuring out what to do, and
doing it.

I went from being OK, to in pain magnitudes worse than kidney stones, in
about 15 minutes. At the hospital, they gave me all the morphine they could
without stopping breathing, and had to get the dilaudid. I don't remember
anything after that, but my family says I was still screaming in pain.

Six and a half days later, I finally got to go home, a much more humble
person, about how bad it could actually get. Having your body trying to
digest itself from the inside out is one thing I recommend avoiding, if you
can.

So yes, pain killers are a blessing, when they are needed. I also ascribe
to the theory that you do not get high, or addicted, when they are used for
the control of real pains.

Also, I am grateful that the doctors figured out how to put the lid on my
kidney stones, and that they would not be an issue for being able to hold a
medical.
--
Jim in NC