What happened to Jay?

[John E. Carty]

After being away from the groups for an extended period of time I have come
back to find Jay Honeck, as well as many other posters, are no longer
around. Anyone know why this and many of the other aviation groups seem so
dead???

[Pietro]

"John E. Carty" > wrote in
:

> After being away from the groups for an extended period of time I
> have come back to find Jay Honeck, as well as many other posters,
> are no longer around. Anyone know why this and many of the other
> aviation groups seem so dead???

Sure. Bertie, Mike, and Rich

--

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"John E. Carty" > wrote in message
...
| After being away from the groups for an extended period of time I have
come
| back to find Jay Honeck, as well as many other posters, are no longer
| around. Anyone know why this and many of the other aviation groups seem so
| dead???
|

A retarded asshole and wanna be dictator name Bertie the Buttlip, and his
small band of cronies has gone to great pains to make this group unlivable.
Jay being a very active and successful aviation enthusiast, became one of
Buttlipp's favorite targets. You know how miserable people often like to
spread it around, happy and successful people are often their favorite, but
certainly not only targets.

At any rate, if you intend to stick around, be prepared to kiss Bertie's ass
regularly, and over look his ****ing on any, and often every post he
chooses. You can search the archives for messages with the subject of
"Bertie's Stock Puppets and Supporters", and get some idea of who his "hay
boys" are, and the locals he has dupe in to believing he is a pilot. I spend
a little time farreting out the lamers a few month ago just for grins.

Best wishes, you can contact Jay at:

www.alexisparkinn.com or

to find out where he is posting these days. I think he has been sticking
with the moderated groups since Buttlip ran him off.

[Ol Shy & Bashful]

On Nov 13, 1:05*am, "John E. Carty" >
wrote:
> After being away from the groups for an extended period of time I have come
> back to find Jay Honeck, as well as many other posters, are no longer
> around. Anyone know why this and many of the other aviation groups seem so
> dead???

Funny you should ask! I found a pen with his Inn and numbers embossed
on it. He had been thru here and stopped for fuel. I have talked to
him a few times and asked how things were going. He is found over at
Pilots of America now. Said he got tired of the nonsense, name
calling, general decline of the quality of the NG. I feel the same way
and try to stay OT but at times its difficult.
Ol S&B

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
> You can search the archives for messages with the subject of
> "Bertie's Stock Puppets and Supporters",

Questions, Okie.

What is a "Stock Puppet? Is this some kind of new term you invented because
you never figured out what a 'sock puppet' was?

Why would anyone in their right mind want to search your old posts in the
first place, Maxie?

> and get some idea of who his "hay
> boys" are, and the locals he has dupe in to believing he is a pilot. I
> spend
> a little time farreting out the lamers a few month ago just for grins.

Try it on yourself, Maxie. Do you really think you are that hard to figure
out? You're nothing more than a wannabe that probably took a few lessons at
some point and when you tried to pass yourself off as a pilot in this NG,
you got your arse handed to you for your ignorance. You've never offered
anything of value to this NG other than entertainment as the village idiot,
and now you've simply been reduced to a cretin who tries to harrass anyone
who has called BS on you.

[Mike]

"Pietro" > wrote in message
...
> "John E. Carty" > wrote in
> :
>
>> After being away from the groups for an extended period of time I
>> have come back to find Jay Honeck, as well as many other posters,
>> are no longer around. Anyone know why this and many of the other
>> aviation groups seem so dead???
>
> Sure. Bertie, Mike, and Rich

Why don't you tell the WHOLE story? Do you even know it, or are you just
throwing BS against the wall based on your ignorance?

Jay had gotten to the point to which he was treating this NG as his own
personal soap box. He developed an illusion that he was entitled to be king
of this NG and nobody could possibly disagree with him. A few people called
him on some of his rather pointless posts, so in protest he took down his
"rogues' gallery" or whatever he called it from his web site, which was a
place for some people to post aviation related pictures. It was his attempt
to try and "rally the troops" against his detractors. The result was even
some of his former supporters pointed out how lame and childish he had
become. The fact was, Jay's participation had been dropping off well before
any of the people he blamed had ever taken issue with his BS. In his last
ditch effort to pander to those he thought were his supporters, he promised
for days, if not weeks, that he was going to abandon the NG forever. He
sunk to a level of childishness that nobody could stand and when he got no
support he finally took his ball and went home. Good ridance.

http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=QcteNRgAAAAcgZrb-iCSUhjNSuiM3uDqOUvZGom_7X8TJNr5Bbk9oA

[Ross]

jeremy wrote:
> Maxwell wrote:
>
>> At any rate, if you intend to stick around, be prepared to kiss
>> Bertie's ass regularly, and over look his ****ing on any, and often
>> every post he chooses.
> Anyone with a modicum of ability with a newsreader can killfile the
> trolls. Not responding to them helps, but the best tactic is to
> concentrate on the group's subject by posting relevant material.
>
> OB flight related content.
> What is the justification for the USAF using gliders as part of the
> flight training?
>
> JJ
>

But there were too many on the group that just would not ignore the
posts of Bertie, MX, etc. If no one would respond, they would not have
received their satisfaction. BTW, Jay was a great contributor to this
and other NGs. Too bad there are not more with that much enthusiasm in
aviation and his professional life.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Darkwing]

"Pietro" > wrote in message
...
> "John E. Carty" > wrote in
> :
>
>> After being away from the groups for an extended period of time I
>> have come back to find Jay Honeck, as well as many other posters,
>> are no longer around. Anyone know why this and many of the other
>> aviation groups seem so dead???
>
> Sure. Bertie, Mike, and Rich
>
> --

Don't forget MX.

[GetALifeMike]

What is it like living each day of your pathetic
life as a Narcissistic Prick with a Napoleon
complex Mike?

Maxie

[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

John E. Carty schrieb:
> After being away from the groups for an extended period of time I have come
> back to find Jay Honeck, as well as many other posters, are no longer
> around.

yes, mostly one can only find anonymous idiots here.
Killfiling them helps, but this only brings up a handful postings
afterwards.

> Anyone know why this and many of the other aviation groups seem so
> dead???

Many left.

BTW: if *serious* people need a real usenet access (not
google-groups-crap) they can have one for free at our newsserver.

#m

[Mike]

"GetALifeMike" > wrote in message
...
> What is it like living each day of your pathetic
> life as a Narcissistic Prick with a Napoleon
> complex Mike?

Probably at least a few notches above being a groupie for what you just
described, Okie.

It is rather amusing that you've decided to show how truly pathetic you've
become by nymshifting to prove your groupie status. I like it. Don't
change.

[Mike]

"jeremy" > wrote in message
...
> Martin Hotze wrote:
>
>> yes, mostly one can only find anonymous idiots here.
>> Killfiling them helps, but this only brings up a handful postings
>> afterwards.
>
>> BTW: if *serious* people need a real usenet access (not
>> google-groups-crap) they can have one for free at our newsserver.
>>
>> #m
>
> The "I left because there was no content" excuse is sad.
> Three rules for Usenet:
> Killfile often and precisely
> Post often and on topic
> Develop a thick skin

Even if you don't want to use a killfile, the excuse is extremely pathetic.
If you don't want to read a response from someone, don't click on their
message. Why is that so hard to figure out? The only challenge you then
have is from the truly pathetic nymshifters like JJ and Maxie, but even then
it's not all that difficult as they generally pick an anonymous one, or in
Maxie's case whatever nonsense he dreamed up while picking his nose.

[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

jeremy schrieb:

> BTW, which server and does it have alt.binaries.food

still no binaries; no excemption.
server is mine, check headers.

#m

[Morgans[_2_]]

"GetALifeMike" > wrote in message
...
> What is it like living each day of your pathetic
> life as a Narcissistic Prick with a Napoleon
> complex Mike?

You and mike need to take at least half of the blame for yourselves.

Get a life? Pot, Kettle, Black.
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_2_]]

"jeremy" > wrote in message
...
> Ross wrote:
>
>> But there were too many on the group that just would not ignore the posts
>> of Bertie, MX, etc.
>
> They reside in my kill file and unless some bozo quotes them, I never get
> to even see their drivel on this and 2 other groups.

Yep, but some can not help responding, and quoting, and that brings up a
dilemma.

Do you kill-file an otherwise good, and normally on topic poster, and lose
the good posts he makes, or do you try and ignore the replies, and keep the
poster?

I used to do the later, but it seems lately that I have less patience and
end up dumping the poster and all of his posts.

It sure does not take long to read the posts from the newsgroups, daily.
Sigh.

I just can not get past the format of the purple pilots group. It is so
awkward, I just have a tough time enjoying the experience. Mostly, I don't
bother.

Will the troubles here ever stop? Doubtful, if people continue to feed the
trolls.

Last one out, turn out the lights.

On an aviation note, my son has started back to work on his private ticket.
He got though college, (no time, no money) and is more determined than ever
to get his certificate. Good for him!
--
Jim in NC

[Bob Noel[_2_]]

Morgans wrote:

> On an aviation note, my son has started back to work on his private ticket.
> He got though college, (no time, no money) and is more determined than ever
> to get his certificate. Good for him!

excellent!

[Bob Fry]

>>>>> "JC" == John E Carty > writes:

JC> After being away from the groups for an extended period of
JC> time I have come back to find Jay Honeck, as well as many
JC> other posters, are no longer around. Anyone know why this and
JC> many of the other aviation groups seem so dead???

Good riddance. I removed JH from my view long before with a simple
filter in GNUS, as his prolific off-topics posts and increasing
attitude that he and his fanboyz owned r.a.h. drove the pollution
level too high to tolerate. That, and his astonishingly childish
understanding of anything outside of Iowa.
--
Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created
them.
~ Albert Einstein

[John E. Carty]

"Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 13, 1:05 am, "John E. Carty" >
wrote:
> After being away from the groups for an extended period of time I have
> come
> back to find Jay Honeck, as well as many other posters, are no longer
> around. Anyone know why this and many of the other aviation groups seem so
> dead???

Funny you should ask! I found a pen with his Inn and numbers embossed
on it. He had been thru here and stopped for fuel. I have talked to
him a few times and asked how things were going. He is found over at
Pilots of America now. Said he got tired of the nonsense, name
calling, general decline of the quality of the NG. I feel the same way
and try to stay OT but at times its difficult.
Ol S&B

Thank, looks like that's where I'll be heading also.

[John E. Carty]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "John E. Carty" > wrote in message
> ...
> | After being away from the groups for an extended period of time I have
> come
> | back to find Jay Honeck, as well as many other posters, are no longer
> | around. Anyone know why this and many of the other aviation groups seem
> so
> | dead???
> |
>
> A retarded asshole and wanna be dictator name Bertie the Buttlip, and his
> small band of cronies has gone to great pains to make this group
> unlivable.
> Jay being a very active and successful aviation enthusiast, became one of
> Buttlipp's favorite targets. You know how miserable people often like to
> spread it around, happy and successful people are often their favorite,
> but
> certainly not only targets.
>
> At any rate, if you intend to stick around, be prepared to kiss Bertie's
> ass
> regularly, and over look his ****ing on any, and often every post he
> chooses. You can search the archives for messages with the subject of
> "Bertie's Stock Puppets and Supporters", and get some idea of who his "hay
> boys" are, and the locals he has dupe in to believing he is a pilot. I
> spend
> a little time farreting out the lamers a few month ago just for grins.
>
> Best wishes, you can contact Jay at:
>
> www.alexisparkinn.com or
>
> to find out where he is posting these days. I think he has been sticking
> with the moderated groups since Buttlip ran him off.
>
>
>
>
>
Thanks, looks like a lot of folks went to Pilots of America, hopefully
things are better there.

[John E. Carty]

"Martin Hotze" > wrote in message
...
> John E. Carty schrieb:
>> After being away from the groups for an extended period of time I have
>> come back to find Jay Honeck, as well as many other posters, are no
>> longer around.
>
> yes, mostly one can only find anonymous idiots here.
> Killfiling them helps, but this only brings up a handful postings
> afterwards.
>
>> Anyone know why this and many of the other aviation groups seem so
>> dead???
>
> Many left.
>
> BTW: if *serious* people need a real usenet access (not
> google-groups-crap) they can have one for free at our newsserver.
>
> #m


Thanks, I'll keep checking in for awhile, but probably will be on PofA only
soon.

[BT]

quick answer
www.pilotsofamerica.com


"John E. Carty" > wrote in message
...
> After being away from the groups for an extended period of time I have
> come back to find Jay Honeck, as well as many other posters, are no longer
> around. Anyone know why this and many of the other aviation groups seem so
> dead???
>

[BT]

Why do you ask.. I am not a USAFA graduate, but I do instruct in gliders and
a retired AF Flight Officer..
so my opinion.. use of gliders for various reasons..
instill discipline in the cockpit..
it takes a team to fly gliders.. it is not a "solo" event as flying power..
instills team work.. there is no "I" in TEAM
teaches basic aerodynamics at minimal cost, with out distractions of power
plant management, more "energy management

any other contributors?

BT

> OB flight related content.
> What is the justification for the USAF using gliders as part of the flight
> training?
>
> JJ
>

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Nov 13, 8:36*pm, "John E. Carty" >
wrote:
> "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > "John E. Carty" > wrote in message
> ...
> > | After being away from the groups for an extended period of time I have
> > come
> > | back to find Jay Honeck, as well as many other posters, are no longer
> > | around. Anyone know why this and many of the other aviation groups seem
> > so
> > | dead???
> > |
>
> > A retarded asshole and wanna be dictator name Bertie the Buttlip, and his
> > small band of cronies has gone to great pains to make this group
> > unlivable.
> > Jay being a very active and successful aviation enthusiast, became one of
> > Buttlipp's favorite targets. You know how miserable people often like to
> > spread it around, happy and successful people are often their favorite,
> > but
> > certainly not only targets.
>
> > At any rate, if you intend to stick around, be prepared to kiss Bertie's
> > ass
> > regularly, and over look his ****ing on any, and often every post he
> > chooses. You can search the archives for messages with the subject of
> > "Bertie's Stock Puppets and Supporters", and get some idea of who his "hay
> > boys" are, and the locals he has dupe in to believing he is a pilot. I
> > spend
> > a little time farreting out the lamers a few month ago just for grins.
>
> > Best wishes, you can contact Jay at:
>
> >www.alexisparkinn.comor
>
> > to find out where he is posting these days. I think he has been sticking
> > with the moderated groups since Buttlip ran him off.
>
> Thanks, looks like a lot of folks went to Pilots of America, hopefully
> things are better there.

Let's just say they are different. Online moderated forums are not
everybody's cup of tea, but I for one don't mind the moderation and
haven't seen the issues seen there by some.
The Usenet forums are still a viable means of constructive aviation
dialog but unfortunately sometimes the aviation content comes with the
first post followed by God only knows what or why :-)
Dudley Henriques

[John E. Carty]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 13, 8:36 pm, "John E. Carty" >
wrote:
> "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > "John E. Carty" > wrote in message
> ...
> > | After being away from the groups for an extended period of time I have
> > come
> > | back to find Jay Honeck, as well as many other posters, are no longer
> > | around. Anyone know why this and many of the other aviation groups
> > seem
> > so
> > | dead???
> > |
>
> > A retarded asshole and wanna be dictator name Bertie the Buttlip, and
> > his
> > small band of cronies has gone to great pains to make this group
> > unlivable.
> > Jay being a very active and successful aviation enthusiast, became one
> > of
> > Buttlipp's favorite targets. You know how miserable people often like to
> > spread it around, happy and successful people are often their favorite,
> > but
> > certainly not only targets.
>
> > At any rate, if you intend to stick around, be prepared to kiss Bertie's
> > ass
> > regularly, and over look his ****ing on any, and often every post he
> > chooses. You can search the archives for messages with the subject of
> > "Bertie's Stock Puppets and Supporters", and get some idea of who his
> > "hay
> > boys" are, and the locals he has dupe in to believing he is a pilot. I
> > spend
> > a little time farreting out the lamers a few month ago just for grins.
>
> > Best wishes, you can contact Jay at:
>
> >www.alexisparkinn.comor
>
> > to find out where he is posting these days. I think he has been sticking
> > with the moderated groups since Buttlip ran him off.
>
> Thanks, looks like a lot of folks went to Pilots of America, hopefully
> things are better there.

>>>Let's just say they are different. Online moderated forums are not
>>>everybody's cup of tea, but I for one don't mind the moderation and
>>>haven't seen the issues seen there by some.
>>>The Usenet forums are still a viable means of constructive aviation
>>>dialog but unfortunately sometimes the aviation content comes with the
>>>first post followed by God only knows what or why :-)
>>>Dudley Henriques

It's good to see that not all of the good people here I remember jumped
ship, and I have to admit that some of the recent postings I've seen sure do
keep life interesting :-)

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Nov 13, 10:57*pm, "John E. Carty" >
wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 13, 8:36 pm, "John E. Carty" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > > "John E. Carty" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > | After being away from the groups for an extended period of time I have
> > > come
> > > | back to find Jay Honeck, as well as many other posters, are no longer
> > > | around. Anyone know why this and many of the other aviation groups
> > > seem
> > > so
> > > | dead???
> > > |
>
> > > A retarded asshole and wanna be dictator name Bertie the Buttlip, and
> > > his
> > > small band of cronies has gone to great pains to make this group
> > > unlivable.
> > > Jay being a very active and successful aviation enthusiast, became one
> > > of
> > > Buttlipp's favorite targets. You know how miserable people often like to
> > > spread it around, happy and successful people are often their favorite,
> > > but
> > > certainly not only targets.
>
> > > At any rate, if you intend to stick around, be prepared to kiss Bertie's
> > > ass
> > > regularly, and over look his ****ing on any, and often every post he
> > > chooses. You can search the archives for messages with the subject of
> > > "Bertie's Stock Puppets and Supporters", and get some idea of who his
> > > "hay
> > > boys" are, and the locals he has dupe in to believing he is a pilot. I
> > > spend
> > > a little time farreting out the lamers a few month ago just for grins..
>
> > > Best wishes, you can contact Jay at:
>
> >
>
> > > to find out where he is posting these days. I think he has been sticking
> > > with the moderated groups since Buttlip ran him off.
>
> > Thanks, looks like a lot of folks went to Pilots of America, hopefully
> > things are better there.
> >>>Let's just say they are different. Online moderated forums are not
> >>>everybody's cup of tea, but I for one don't mind the moderation and
> >>>haven't seen the issues seen there by some.
> >>>The Usenet forums are still a viable means of constructive aviation
> >>>dialog but unfortunately sometimes the aviation content comes with the
> >>>first post followed by God only knows what or why :-)
> >>>Dudley Henriques
>
> It's good to see that not all of the good people here I remember jumped
> ship, and I have to admit that some of the recent postings I've seen sure do
> keep life interesting *:-)

If you stick around for awhile or come back a bit later, you will most
likely see a post under mine made by one of the posters who shall we
say, helps to establish what some of those who have gone might refer
to as the "Usenet" atmosphere around here. He might miss me this trip
but I wouldn't bet the farm on it :-)))
DH

[Ross]

Morgans wrote:
> "jeremy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ross wrote:
>>
>>> But there were too many on the group that just would not ignore the posts
>>> of Bertie, MX, etc.
>> They reside in my kill file and unless some bozo quotes them, I never get
>> to even see their drivel on this and 2 other groups.
>
> Yep, but some can not help responding, and quoting, and that brings up a
> dilemma.
>
> Do you kill-file an otherwise good, and normally on topic poster, and lose
> the good posts he makes, or do you try and ignore the replies, and keep the
> poster?
>
> I used to do the later, but it seems lately that I have less patience and
> end up dumping the poster and all of his posts.
>
> It sure does not take long to read the posts from the newsgroups, daily.
> Sigh.
>
> I just can not get past the format of the purple pilots group. It is so
> awkward, I just have a tough time enjoying the experience. Mostly, I don't
> bother.
>
> Will the troubles here ever stop? Doubtful, if people continue to feed the
> trolls.
>
> Last one out, turn out the lights.
>
> On an aviation note, my son has started back to work on his private ticket.
> He got though college, (no time, no money) and is more determined than ever
> to get his certificate. Good for him!

Good, we need more young folks in the ranks. The rest of us are gray
haired, if we still have it. The best of luck.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Mike]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "GetALifeMike" > wrote in message
> ...
>> What is it like living each day of your pathetic
>> life as a Narcissistic Prick with a Napoleon
>> complex Mike?
>
> You and mike need to take at least half of the blame for yourselves.

Half the blame for what, Jim? Running off Jay?

Try explaining that one.

For posting too many off topic posts kinda like this entire thread? Jay
posted more off topic than on topic and fanned those flames as much as
anyone.

For being argumentative? Jay was the king of the non sequitur.

For being abrasive? Hmmm, Jay would never do that, would he?

Jay left because he wanted to make some kind of pathetic statement. What
that statement was is anyone's guess. Wherever he is now, he will do the
same after a few months. He gets off over trying to paint himself as some
type of victim. ****ing and moaning is his nature, kinda like you. He's
just a bit better at it.

So just trying explaining just precisely what I am to blame for, if you can.
Jay was a whiney little girl that ****ed and moaned when he didn't get his
way and finally stomped off in the childish manner that has always defined
him. The NG is far better off without him. The only problem was not all of
his fanboyz followed, unfortunately. So no matter how many times you want
to proclaim this NG is dead, much to your chagrin people are still posting
about aviation instead of how Jr is not ****ing his pants anymore. So do
tell me how I am to "blame" for breaking up Jay's private little tea party.
I'll be glad to do more of it.





>
> Get a life? Pot, Kettle, Black.
> --
> Jim in NC
>

[Mike]

"jeremy" > wrote in message
...
> BT wrote:
>
>> it takes a team to fly gliders.. BT
>
>
> This one I do not understand. Before launch and after landing maybe, but
> if I am alone in the cockpit, there is not much help.
> The other stuff makes sense, it just is not done that way in other
> countries.

If it doesn't make sense to you, then you probably haven't spent much time
flying gliders unless it's in some type of commercial operation where you
pay folks to launch and retrieve.

The USAF does it more like a glider club whereby you will spend 4-5 times
more time and effort helping launch and retrieve others than you will spend
actually getting any stick time yourself.

[george]

On Nov 14, 8:37*pm, jeremy > wrote:

> The "I left because there was no content" excuse is sad.
> Three rules for Usenet:
> Killfile often and precisely
> Post often and on topic
> Develop a thick skin
>
> BTW, which server and does it have alt.binaries.food

In the time that I have been in the Newsgroups I've seen entire
populations come and go.
It's a cyclic thing.
People go on to other fetishes, die, get married, go back to school,
find a religion (not necessarily in that order).

[george]

On Nov 14, 4:21*pm, "BT" > wrote:
> Why do you ask.. I am not a USAFA graduate, but I do instruct in gliders and
> a retired AF Flight Officer..
> so my opinion.. use of gliders for various reasons..
> instill discipline in the cockpit..
> it takes a team to fly gliders.. it is not a "solo" event as flying power...
> instills team work.. there is no "I" in TEAM
> teaches basic aerodynamics at minimal cost, with out distractions of power
> plant management, more "energy management
>
> any other contributors?

Yup.
When that fan stops glider pilots have the skills to handle the
situation.

[Mike]

"george" > wrote in message
...
> On Nov 14, 4:21 pm, "BT" > wrote:
> > Why do you ask.. I am not a USAFA graduate, but I do instruct in gliders
> > and
> > a retired AF Flight Officer..
> > so my opinion.. use of gliders for various reasons..
> > instill discipline in the cockpit..
> > it takes a team to fly gliders.. it is not a "solo" event as flying
> > power..
> > instills team work.. there is no "I" in TEAM
> > teaches basic aerodynamics at minimal cost, with out distractions of
> > power
> > plant management, more "energy management
> >
> > any other contributors?
>
> Yup.
> When that fan stops glider pilots have the skills to handle the
> situation.

Perhaps compared to someone who NEVER practices power out maneuvers in a
powered aircraft, but not by much really.

[More_Flaps]

On Nov 15, 8:34*am, george > wrote:
> On Nov 14, 4:21*pm, "BT" > wrote:
>
> > Why do you ask.. I am not a USAFA graduate, but I do instruct in gliders and
> > a retired AF Flight Officer..
> > so my opinion.. use of gliders for various reasons..
> > instill discipline in the cockpit..
> > it takes a team to fly gliders.. it is not a "solo" event as flying power..
> > instills team work.. there is no "I" in TEAM
> > teaches basic aerodynamics at minimal cost, with out distractions of power
> > plant management, more "energy management
>
> > any other contributors?
>
> Yup.
> When that fan stops glider pilots have the skills to handle the
> situation.

The glider accident record says otherwise...

Cheers

[george]

On Nov 15, 10:32*am, More_Flaps > wrote:
> On Nov 15, 8:34*am, george > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 4:21*pm, "BT" > wrote:
>
> > > Why do you ask.. I am not a USAFA graduate, but I do instruct in gliders and
> > > a retired AF Flight Officer..
> > > so my opinion.. use of gliders for various reasons..
> > > instill discipline in the cockpit..
> > > it takes a team to fly gliders.. it is not a "solo" event as flying power..
> > > instills team work.. there is no "I" in TEAM
> > > teaches basic aerodynamics at minimal cost, with out distractions of power
> > > plant management, more "energy management
>
> > > any other contributors?
>
> > Yup.
> > When that fan stops glider pilots have the skills to handle the
> > situation.
>
> The glider accident record says otherwise...
>
We've had one recently
flew into rotor
Not in our records

[Bob Noel[_2_]]

jeremy wrote:
> Martin Hotze wrote:
>> jeremy schrieb:
>>
>>> BTW, which server and does it have alt.binaries.food
>>
>> still no binaries; no excemption.
>> server is mine, check headers.
>>
>> #m
>
> Sorry, I deal with over 50 different groups as I am involved in a lot of
> things and I did not remember you specifically. Some of the groups have
> hundreds of on topic posts a day and many people on them are friends in
> the meat world.
> As I have yet to fly or eat with you it is difficult to put a memory tag
> on you :-)

Unless I'm mistaken, Martin is in Austria, so it is somewhat unlikely
you've flown or eaten with him.

[Lou]

This is funny, it's like a really bad aviation Dr. Phil special.

[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

Bob Noel schrieb:
> Unless I'm mistaken, Martin is in Austria, so it is somewhat unlikely
> you've flown or eaten with him.

yes, I'm in Austria.

re flying: about 1 month ago I had the chance to come back in a cockpit.
I was in Pilsen, Czech Republic, and there is a small airfield. I had
the chance to copilot. Aircraft was a ultralight, namely a EV-97
Eurostar http://www.letecka-skola.cz/fotostr/06_01.jpg
see here:
<http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.letecka-skola.cz%2Fstranky%2F06technika.html&sl=auto&tl=en>
or <http://shorl.com/ragryredrybryma>

cool aircraft with neat performance.

#m

[K l e i n[_2_]]

On Nov 14, 11:04 am, jeremy > wrote:
> BT wrote:
> > it takes a team to fly gliders..
>
> > BT
>
> This one I do not understand. Before launch and after landing maybe, but if I
> am alone in the cockpit, there is not much help.
> The other stuff makes sense, it just is not done that way in other countries.
>
> JJ

All of USAFA's gliders are two place and, as far as I know, they
always fill both seats, even at aerobatic contests where the extra
weight does nothing good for performance.

Yes, USAFA's program is unique and wonderful, IMHO.

K l e i n

[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

jeremy schrieb:
> Not really as I managed 14 countries in Europe in the last year including Vien
> for the Nuke Festival on the 19th of July and a couple of festivals in
> Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Hungary, Czech Rep. and a quick trip to Slovenia,
> most of which entailed driving or flying backwards and forwards through Austria.

So what? You for sure also haven't met many of my pilot friends there. I
don't really care much if you know me or not. :-)

#m

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "GetALifeMike" > wrote in message
| ...
| > What is it like living each day of your pathetic
| > life as a Narcissistic Prick with a Napoleon
| > complex Mike?
|
| Probably at least a few notches above being a groupie for what you just
| described, Okie.
|
| It is rather amusing that you've decided to show how truly pathetic you've
| become by nymshifting to prove your groupie status. I like it. Don't
| change.
|

Guess again dumb ass, can't you read a header.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "GetALifeMike" > wrote in message
| ...
| > What is it like living each day of your pathetic
| > life as a Narcissistic Prick with a Napoleon
| > complex Mike?
|
| Probably at least a few notches above being a groupie for what you just
| described, Okie.
|
| It is rather amusing that you've decided to show how truly pathetic you've
| become by nymshifting to prove your groupie status. I like it. Don't
| change.
|

We heard your lame assed response the first time retard. Did you get stoned
and pass out on the send button again.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...

YOU! Call someone else whiney! What a hypocrite, you whiney little retard.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| > You can search the archives for messages with the subject of
| > "Bertie's Stock Puppets and Supporters",
|
| Questions, Okie.
|
| What is a "Stock Puppet? Is this some kind of new term you invented
because
| you never figured out what a 'sock puppet' was?
|
| Why would anyone in their right mind want to search your old posts in the
| first place, Maxie?
|
| > and get some idea of who his "hay
| > boys" are, and the locals he has dupe in to believing he is a pilot. I
| > spend
| > a little time farreting out the lamers a few month ago just for grins.
|
| Try it on yourself, Maxie. Do you really think you are that hard to
figure
| out? You're nothing more than a wannabe that probably took a few lessons
at
| some point and when you tried to pass yourself off as a pilot in this NG,
| you got your arse handed to you for your ignorance. You've never offered
| anything of value to this NG other than entertainment as the village
idiot,
| and now you've simply been reduced to a cretin who tries to harrass anyone
| who has called BS on you.
|
|

Ah, the Baron of Babble. Is your tongue actually loose on both ends?

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "GetALifeMike" > wrote in message
> | ...
> | > What is it like living each day of your pathetic
> | > life as a Narcissistic Prick with a Napoleon
> | > complex Mike?
> |
> | Probably at least a few notches above being a groupie for what you just
> | described, Okie.
> |
> | It is rather amusing that you've decided to show how truly pathetic
> you've
> | become by nymshifting to prove your groupie status. I like it. Don't
> | change.
> |
>
> We heard your lame assed response the first time retard. Did you get
> stoned
> and pass out on the send button again.

You're the one that just replied twice to the same message, Okie.

Did you change meth suppliers? This new batch seems to be much more potent
as you're getting even less coherent, if that's even possible.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
>
> YOU! Call someone else whiney! What a hypocrite, you whiney little retard.

You think so, Okie? Try explaining just what exactly I have EVER whined
about. Though you are quite easily the biggest festering boil on this NG, I
have never even whined about you. In fact, I rather enjoy you being the NG
punching bag.

How does it feel being wrong ALL the time, Maxie? They sure do grow you
Okies dumber than dirt there in Stupidarseholeville.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | > You can search the archives for messages with the subject of
> | > "Bertie's Stock Puppets and Supporters",
> |
> | Questions, Okie.
> |
> | What is a "Stock Puppet? Is this some kind of new term you invented
> because
> | you never figured out what a 'sock puppet' was?
> |
> | Why would anyone in their right mind want to search your old posts in
> the
> | first place, Maxie?
> |
> | > and get some idea of who his "hay
> | > boys" are, and the locals he has dupe in to believing he is a pilot. I
> | > spend
> | > a little time farreting out the lamers a few month ago just for grins.
> |
> | Try it on yourself, Maxie. Do you really think you are that hard to
> figure
> | out? You're nothing more than a wannabe that probably took a few
> lessons
> at
> | some point and when you tried to pass yourself off as a pilot in this
> NG,
> | you got your arse handed to you for your ignorance. You've never
> offered
> | anything of value to this NG other than entertainment as the village
> idiot,
> | and now you've simply been reduced to a cretin who tries to harrass
> anyone
> | who has called BS on you.
> |
> |
>
> Ah, the Baron of Babble. Is your tongue actually loose on both ends?

What do you know, Maxie is actually trying to eak out an original insult
here. To bad it's not any better than the usual recycled BS he's world
famous for. Still it does show initiative, and he should be commended for
it, no matter how lame it really is.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in
:

>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
>| "GetALifeMike" > wrote in message
>| ...
>| > What is it like living each day of your pathetic
>| > life as a Narcissistic Prick with a Napoleon
>| > complex Mike?
>|
>| Probably at least a few notches above being a groupie for what you
>| just described, Okie.
>|
>| It is rather amusing that you've decided to show how truly pathetic
>| you've become by nymshifting to prove your groupie status. I like
>| it. Don't change.
>|
>
> Guess again dumb ass, can't you read a header.
>
>



Snort !


W



Bertie
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

I'm going to take a stab at answering this:

I reckon it started with his potty training.

his his mommy did it by rubbing his nose in it.



Bertie