Just checking in...how's everyone been?

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

So I've been contacted by half a dozen folks, telling me that my absence was
the topic of a rather lively thread here -- so I thought I'd pop in for a
peek at my old stomping ground. How's everyone been?

No, we're not dead. On September 4th, after over ten years of daily
postings on these groups, I joined the ranks of "former RAPpers" by
quitting, cold turkey. Nothing specific precipitated my departure -- it was
just a long, slow, gradual culmination of many things. The signal to noise
ratio here had deteriorated to such a level that no number of killfiles
could do the job -- and what was left after culling the herd of trolls was
pathetically small. Pilots of America called to me, warts and all, so I
jumped in with both feet and haven't looked back....

.....until now.

It's been a lively few months. Martin (if you're still out there) we made
it to Munich for Oktoberfest, where I turned 50 years old by partying with 4
million of my closest friends. We drank beer with Croats, Austrians,
Germans, Brits, Irish, Italians, and (of course) Germans, and had a
wonderful time. Man, my Bavarian kin certainly lived up to their advanced
billing -- it was the Mother of All Parties.

While we were there, we took a day trip up the autobahn to Salzburg, in your
beloved Austria, and were in awe of the place. There's something humbling
about eating in a restaurant that has been continuously in business for over
EIGHT HUNDRED YEARS. It sure puts everything in perspective! And, of
course, sitting in the church where Mozart was baptized was a magical
experience.

We even hooked up with this group's own Markus (largely a lurker, from
Germany, whom we've met at Sun N Fun and Oshkosh) while we were there. He
met us in Munich and gave us the chance to go "off-tour" with a native -- a
real treat after being trapped in buses and cabs. We visited Dachau with
him, both the concentration camp and the city, and marveled at man's
capacity for cruelty -- and beauty.

Since then, Mary and I have been doing lots of flying, both in the Ercoupe
and the Pathfinder, with trips to Wisconsin, Illinois, Missouri, and
Minnesota. We've also developed a lively email group made up of many former
members of this group. We email daily, sometimes a dozen or more times --
so it's kinda like the way this group used to be, back in "the day"...
It's funny/sad -- none of us would have ever met each other without this
group -- a group that taught us all so much -- yet none of us still visit
here.

Businesswise, things are just like you might expect -- sloooow. The wheels
came off our local economy the very day that Congress announced the $800
billion bailout plan, and hasn't recovered since. It's like the entire
business community let out a collective gasp, and all business travel
ceased, virtually overnight. Scary stuff.

Luckily, this comes after a record-busting year for us, so we are perhaps
better able to absorb a business slow down. Not so with several of our
business neighbors -- we've lost three nearby restaurants in just the last
month, as they were unable to weather the sudden loss of business.

Our son is first year Army ROTC, doing well, flying when he can. He's still
jazzed by all the attention he received for flying into Oshkosh this year,
but college is keeping him busier than ever. Our daughter should start
flight lessons next spring -- so we're keeping the aviation ball rolling!

I hope everyone here is healthy, happy, and well. I'll hang around long
enough to see if anyone I know responds to this -- but mostly you can catch
me over on Pilots of America, a wonderful, moderated group of aviation
enthusiasts.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[John E. Carty]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:IwoVk.388782$TT4.149115@attbi_s22...
> So I've been contacted by half a dozen folks, telling me that my absence
> was the topic of a rather lively thread here -- so I thought I'd pop in
> for a peek at my old stomping ground. How's everyone been?
>
> No, we're not dead. On September 4th, after over ten years of daily
> postings on these groups, I joined the ranks of "former RAPpers" by
> quitting, cold turkey. Nothing specific precipitated my departure -- it
> was just a long, slow, gradual culmination of many things. The signal to
> noise ratio here had deteriorated to such a level that no number of
> killfiles could do the job -- and what was left after culling the herd of
> trolls was pathetically small. Pilots of America called to me, warts and
> all, so I jumped in with both feet and haven't looked back....
>
> ....until now.
>
> It's been a lively few months. Martin (if you're still out there) we made
> it to Munich for Oktoberfest, where I turned 50 years old by partying with
> 4 million of my closest friends. We drank beer with Croats, Austrians,
> Germans, Brits, Irish, Italians, and (of course) Germans, and had a
> wonderful time. Man, my Bavarian kin certainly lived up to their advanced
> billing -- it was the Mother of All Parties.
>
> While we were there, we took a day trip up the autobahn to Salzburg, in
> your beloved Austria, and were in awe of the place. There's something
> humbling about eating in a restaurant that has been continuously in
> business for over EIGHT HUNDRED YEARS. It sure puts everything in
> perspective! And, of course, sitting in the church where Mozart was
> baptized was a magical experience.
>
> We even hooked up with this group's own Markus (largely a lurker, from
> Germany, whom we've met at Sun N Fun and Oshkosh) while we were there. He
> met us in Munich and gave us the chance to go "off-tour" with a native --
> a real treat after being trapped in buses and cabs. We visited Dachau
> with him, both the concentration camp and the city, and marveled at man's
> capacity for cruelty -- and beauty.
>
> Since then, Mary and I have been doing lots of flying, both in the Ercoupe
> and the Pathfinder, with trips to Wisconsin, Illinois, Missouri, and
> Minnesota. We've also developed a lively email group made up of many
> former members of this group. We email daily, sometimes a dozen or more
> times -- so it's kinda like the way this group used to be, back in "the
> day"... It's funny/sad -- none of us would have ever met each other
> without this group -- a group that taught us all so much -- yet none of us
> still visit here.
>
> Businesswise, things are just like you might expect -- sloooow. The
> wheels came off our local economy the very day that Congress announced the
> $800 billion bailout plan, and hasn't recovered since. It's like the
> entire business community let out a collective gasp, and all business
> travel ceased, virtually overnight. Scary stuff.
>
> Luckily, this comes after a record-busting year for us, so we are perhaps
> better able to absorb a business slow down. Not so with several of our
> business neighbors -- we've lost three nearby restaurants in just the last
> month, as they were unable to weather the sudden loss of business.
>
> Our son is first year Army ROTC, doing well, flying when he can. He's
> still jazzed by all the attention he received for flying into Oshkosh this
> year, but college is keeping him busier than ever. Our daughter should
> start flight lessons next spring -- so we're keeping the aviation ball
> rolling!
>
> I hope everyone here is healthy, happy, and well. I'll hang around long
> enough to see if anyone I know responds to this -- but mostly you can
> catch me over on Pilots of America, a wonderful, moderated group of
> aviation enthusiasts.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Good to see you haven't fallen off the map Jay. I started a thread upon
returning to the groups about what had happened to you and many other of the
good people that used to post here, and man what a response I got! I've been
doing some island flying since we moved back to Hawaii, and man is it good
to be back on island and back in the air :-)

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Good to see you haven't fallen off the map Jay. I started a thread upon
> returning to the groups about what had happened to you and many other of
> the good people that used to post here, and man what a response I got!
> I've been doing some island flying since we moved back to Hawaii, and man
> is it good to be back on island and back in the air :-)

Hey, John -- wow, Hawaii sure sounds good right now. Let's see...it's 22
degrees outside, with a Westerly wind at 12. Brrrrr....too cold for
November!

I just re-read my post, and realized that I forgot to include the link to
our Oktoberfest trip pix. Not much aviation there -- but for those who are
ever considering making the pilgrimage to the "Mother of all Beer Bashes",
here ya go:

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/trip_to_germany.htm

It makes our annual Fly-In Pool Party look like a tea party, for sure!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[[email protected]]

On Nov 20, 7:53*pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> So I've been contacted by half a dozen folks, telling me that my absence was
> the topic of a rather lively thread here -- so I thought I'd pop in for a
> peek at my old stomping ground. *How's everyone been?

Good to see you pop in Jay.

All is good here in the deep south.

Great time of the year to fly both VFR and IFR. If you get a chance,
pop in on my You Tube channel and check out my latest videos.

Feel free to share with the POA forum if you find them worthy.

Allen

[John E. Carty]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:BRoVk.388805$TT4.140150@attbi_s22...
>> Good to see you haven't fallen off the map Jay. I started a thread upon
>> returning to the groups about what had happened to you and many other of
>> the good people that used to post here, and man what a response I got!
>> I've been doing some island flying since we moved back to Hawaii, and man
>> is it good to be back on island and back in the air :-)
>
> Hey, John -- wow, Hawaii sure sounds good right now. Let's see...it's 22
> degrees outside, with a Westerly wind at 12. Brrrrr....too cold for
> November!

Kinda cold here too, only 80 degrees at five in the evening with a SE wind
at 9! ;-)


>
> I just re-read my post, and realized that I forgot to include the link to
> our Oktoberfest trip pix. Not much aviation there -- but for those who
> are ever considering making the pilgrimage to the "Mother of all Beer
> Bashes", here ya go:
>
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/trip_to_germany.htm
>
> It makes our annual Fly-In Pool Party look like a tea party, for sure!
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Nov 20, 9:16*pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> > Good to see you haven't fallen off the map Jay. I started a thread upon
> > returning to the groups about what had happened to you and many other of
> > the good people that used to post here, and man what a response I got!
> > I've been doing some island flying since we moved back to Hawaii, and man
> > is it good to be back on island and back in the air :-)
>
> Hey, John -- wow, Hawaii sure sounds good right now. *Let's see...it's 22
> degrees outside, with a Westerly wind at 12. *Brrrrr....too cold for
> November!
>
> I just re-read my post, and realized that I forgot to include the link to
> our Oktoberfest trip pix. *Not much aviation there -- but for those who are
> ever considering making the pilgrimage to the "Mother of all Beer Bashes",
> here ya go:
>
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/trip_to_germany.htm
>
> It makes our annual Fly-In Pool Party look like a tea party, for sure!
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Hi Jay;

Good to hear from you. Glad the POA forum worked out for you.
Drop me a line back channel if you like. We've formed a small email
loop of selected pilots from the forums who exchange emails once in a
while just to chew the fat and enjoy the no hassle environment.
Dudley

[Dave[_19_]]

Hey Jay!

Still lots of noise here, but the occassional nugget surfaces.. :)

I am mostly on the Cherokee chat tho.

Cheers!

Dave


On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:53:44 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>So I've been contacted by half a dozen folks, telling me that my absence was
>the topic of a rather lively thread here -- so I thought I'd pop in for a
>peek at my old stomping ground. How's everyone been?
>
>No, we're not dead. On September 4th, after over ten years of daily
>postings on these groups, I joined the ranks of "former RAPpers" by
>quitting, cold turkey. Nothing specific precipitated my departure -- it was
>just a long, slow, gradual culmination of many things. The signal to noise
>ratio here had deteriorated to such a level that no number of killfiles
>could do the job -- and what was left after culling the herd of trolls was
>pathetically small. Pilots of America called to me, warts and all, so I
>jumped in with both feet and haven't looked back....
>
>....until now.
>
>It's been a lively few months. Martin (if you're still out there) we made
>it to Munich for Oktoberfest, where I turned 50 years old by partying with 4
>million of my closest friends. We drank beer with Croats, Austrians,
>Germans, Brits, Irish, Italians, and (of course) Germans, and had a
>wonderful time. Man, my Bavarian kin certainly lived up to their advanced
>billing -- it was the Mother of All Parties.
>
>While we were there, we took a day trip up the autobahn to Salzburg, in your
>beloved Austria, and were in awe of the place. There's something humbling
>about eating in a restaurant that has been continuously in business for over
>EIGHT HUNDRED YEARS. It sure puts everything in perspective! And, of
>course, sitting in the church where Mozart was baptized was a magical
>experience.
>
>We even hooked up with this group's own Markus (largely a lurker, from
>Germany, whom we've met at Sun N Fun and Oshkosh) while we were there. He
>met us in Munich and gave us the chance to go "off-tour" with a native -- a
>real treat after being trapped in buses and cabs. We visited Dachau with
>him, both the concentration camp and the city, and marveled at man's
>capacity for cruelty -- and beauty.
>
>Since then, Mary and I have been doing lots of flying, both in the Ercoupe
>and the Pathfinder, with trips to Wisconsin, Illinois, Missouri, and
>Minnesota. We've also developed a lively email group made up of many former
>members of this group. We email daily, sometimes a dozen or more times --
>so it's kinda like the way this group used to be, back in "the day"...
>It's funny/sad -- none of us would have ever met each other without this
>group -- a group that taught us all so much -- yet none of us still visit
>here.
>
>Businesswise, things are just like you might expect -- sloooow. The wheels
>came off our local economy the very day that Congress announced the $800
>billion bailout plan, and hasn't recovered since. It's like the entire
>business community let out a collective gasp, and all business travel
>ceased, virtually overnight. Scary stuff.
>
>Luckily, this comes after a record-busting year for us, so we are perhaps
>better able to absorb a business slow down. Not so with several of our
>business neighbors -- we've lost three nearby restaurants in just the last
>month, as they were unable to weather the sudden loss of business.
>
>Our son is first year Army ROTC, doing well, flying when he can. He's still
>jazzed by all the attention he received for flying into Oshkosh this year,
>but college is keeping him busier than ever. Our daughter should start
>flight lessons next spring -- so we're keeping the aviation ball rolling!
>
>I hope everyone here is healthy, happy, and well. I'll hang around long
>enough to see if anyone I know responds to this -- but mostly you can catch
>me over on Pilots of America, a wonderful, moderated group of aviation
>enthusiasts.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:IwoVk.388782$TT4.149115@attbi_s22:

> So I've been contacted by half a dozen folks, telling me that my
> absence was the topic of a rather lively thread here -- so I thought
> I'd pop in for a peek at my old stomping ground. How's everyone been?
>
> No, we're not dead. On September 4th, after over ten years of daily
> postings on these groups, I joined the ranks of "former RAPpers" by
> quitting, cold turkey. Nothing specific precipitated my departure --
> it was just a long, slow, gradual culmination of many things. The
> signal to noise ratio here had deteriorated to such a level that no
> number of killfiles could do the job -- and what was left after
> culling the herd of trolls was pathetically small. Pilots of America
> called to me, warts and all, so I jumped in with both feet and haven't
> looked back....
>
> ....until now.
>
> It's been a lively few months. Martin (if you're still out there) we
> made it to Munich for Oktoberfest, where I turned 50 years old by
> partying with 4 million of my closest friends. We drank beer with
> Croats, Austrians, Germans, Brits, Irish, Italians, and (of course)
> Germans, and had a wonderful time. Man, my Bavarian kin certainly
> lived up to their advanced billing -- it was the Mother of All
> Parties.
>
> While we were there, we took a day trip up the autobahn to Salzburg,
> in your beloved Austria, and were in awe of the place. There's
> something humbling about eating in a restaurant that has been
> continuously in business for over EIGHT HUNDRED YEARS. It sure puts
> everything in perspective! And, of course, sitting in the church
> where Mozart was baptized was a magical experience.
>
> We even hooked up with this group's own Markus (largely a lurker, from
> Germany, whom we've met at Sun N Fun and Oshkosh) while we were there.
> He met us in Munich and gave us the chance to go "off-tour" with a
> native -- a real treat after being trapped in buses and cabs. We
> visited Dachau with him, both the concentration camp and the city, and
> marveled at man's capacity for cruelty -- and beauty.
>
> Since then, Mary and I have been doing lots of flying, both in the
> Ercoupe and the Pathfinder, with trips to Wisconsin, Illinois,
> Missouri, and Minnesota. We've also developed a lively email group
> made up of many former members of this group. We email daily,
> sometimes a dozen or more times -- so it's kinda like the way this
> group used to be, back in "the day"... It's funny/sad -- none of us
> would have ever met each other without this group -- a group that
> taught us all so much -- yet none of us still visit here.
>
> Businesswise, things are just like you might expect -- sloooow. The
> wheels came off our local economy the very day that Congress announced
> the $800 billion bailout plan, and hasn't recovered since. It's like
> the entire business community let out a collective gasp, and all
> business travel ceased, virtually overnight. Scary stuff.
>
> Luckily, this comes after a record-busting year for us, so we are
> perhaps better able to absorb a business slow down. Not so with
> several of our business neighbors -- we've lost three nearby
> restaurants in just the last month, as they were unable to weather the
> sudden loss of business.
>
> Our son is first year Army ROTC, doing well, flying when he can. He's
> still jazzed by all the attention he received for flying into Oshkosh
> this year, but college is keeping him busier than ever. Our daughter
> should start flight lessons next spring -- so we're keeping the
> aviation ball rolling!
>
> I hope everyone here is healthy, happy, and well. I'll hang around
> long enough to see if anyone I know responds to this -- but mostly you
> can catch me over on Pilots of America, a wonderful, moderated group
> of aviation enthusiasts.



Yes, control. that is what you need.




Fjukkkwit.




Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:BRoVk.388805$TT4.140150@attbi_s22:

>> Good to see you haven't fallen off the map Jay. I started a thread
>> upon returning to the groups about what had happened to you and many
>> other of the good people that used to post here, and man what a
>> response I got! I've been doing some island flying since we moved
>> back to Hawaii, and man is it good to be back on island and back in
>> the air :-)
>
> Hey, John -- wow, Hawaii sure sounds good right now. Let's see...it's
> 22 degrees outside, with a Westerly wind at 12. Brrrrr....too cold
> for November!
>
> I just re-read my post, and realized that I forgot to include the link
> to our Oktoberfest trip pix. Not much aviation there -- but for those
> who are ever considering making the pilgrimage to the "Mother of all
> Beer Bashes", here ya go:
>
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/trip_to_germany.htm
>
> It makes our annual Fly-In Pool Party look like a tea party, for sure!
>
>:-)



Great aviation poast there, spammer.


Bertie

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

>Great time of the year to fly both VFR and IFR. If you get a chance,
>pop in on my You Tube channel and check out my latest videos.

Will do, Allen!

Ah, to be "Down South" this time of year. It's 12 degrees outside this
morning here in sunny Iowa!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Kinda cold here too, only 80 degrees at five in the evening with a SE wind
> at 9! ;-)

I know you already know this -- but you suck!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

>Good to hear from you. Glad the POA forum worked out for you.
>Drop me a line back channel if you like. We've formed a small email
>loop of selected pilots from the forums who exchange emails once in a
>while just to chew the fat and enjoy the no hassle environment.
>Dudley

Sounds like what evolved for several of us old-time regulars. We didn't set
out to "create" it -- it just happened in response to the "troll wars", and
kept on going.

I'll email ya!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Still lots of noise here, but the occassional nugget surfaces.. :)

I see that! I poked around a bit last night, and saw that the "usual
suspects" are still stirring the pot.

Too bad.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Fjukkkwit.

Ah, I see the vocabulary-challenged village idiot is still muttering his
signature response, but from a new address that hasn't been killfiled.

Charming.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[a[_3_]]

On Nov 21, 7:29*am, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> > Fjukkkwit.
>
> Ah, I see the vocabulary-challenged village idiot is still muttering his
> signature response, but from a new address that hasn't been killfiled.
>
> Charming.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Did you expect anything different, Jay? Some people have a compulsion
to urinate into their own community wells, and Bertie does have
blatter control problems.

[Monk]

On Nov 20, 8:53*pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> So I've been contacted by half a dozen folks, telling me that my absence was
> the topic of a rather lively thread here -- so I thought I'd pop in for a
> peek at my old stomping ground. *How's everyone been?
>
> No, we're not dead. *On September 4th, after over ten years of daily
> postings on these groups, I joined the ranks of "former RAPpers" by
> quitting, cold turkey. *Nothing specific precipitated my departure -- it was
> just a long, slow, gradual culmination of many things. *The signal to noise
> ratio here had deteriorated to such a level that no number of killfiles
> could do the job -- and what was left after culling the herd of trolls was
> pathetically small. *Pilots of America called to me, warts and all, so I
> jumped in with both feet and haven't looked back....
>
> ....until now.
>
> It's been a lively few months. *Martin (if you're still out there) we made
> it to Munich for Oktoberfest, where I turned 50 years old by partying with 4
> million of my closest friends. *We drank beer with Croats, Austrians,
> Germans, Brits, Irish, Italians, and (of course) Germans, and had a
> wonderful time. *Man, my Bavarian kin certainly lived up to their advanced
> billing -- it was the Mother of All Parties.
>
> While we were there, we took a day trip up the autobahn to Salzburg, in your
> beloved Austria, and were in awe of the place. *There's something humbling
> about eating in a restaurant that has been continuously in business for over
> EIGHT HUNDRED YEARS. *It sure puts everything in perspective! *And, of
> course, sitting in the church where Mozart was baptized was a magical
> experience.
>
> We even hooked up with this group's own Markus (largely a lurker, from
> Germany, whom we've met at Sun N Fun and Oshkosh) while we were there. *He
> met us in Munich and gave us the chance to go "off-tour" with a native -- a
> real treat after being trapped in buses and cabs. *We visited Dachau with
> him, both the concentration camp and the city, and marveled at man's
> capacity for cruelty -- and beauty.
>
> Since then, Mary and I have been doing lots of flying, both in the Ercoupe
> and the Pathfinder, with trips to Wisconsin, Illinois, Missouri, and
> Minnesota. *We've also developed a lively email group made up of many former
> members of this group. *We email daily, sometimes a dozen or more times -- *
> so it's kinda like the way this group used to be, back in "the day"...
> It's funny/sad -- none of us would have ever met each other without this
> group -- a group that taught us all so much -- yet none of us still visit
> here.
>
> Businesswise, things are just like you might expect -- sloooow. *The wheels
> came off our local economy the very day that Congress announced the $800
> billion bailout plan, and hasn't recovered since. *It's like the entire
> business community let out a collective gasp, and all business travel
> ceased, virtually overnight. *Scary stuff.
>
> Luckily, this comes after a record-busting year for us, so we are perhaps
> better able to absorb a business slow down. *Not so with several of our
> business neighbors -- we've lost three nearby restaurants in just the last
> month, as they were unable to weather the sudden loss of business.
>
> Our son is first year Army ROTC, doing well, flying when he can. *He's still
> jazzed by all the attention he received for flying into Oshkosh this year,
> but college is keeping him busier than ever. * Our daughter should start
> flight lessons next spring -- so we're keeping the aviation ball rolling!
>
> I hope everyone here is healthy, happy, and well. *I'll hang around long
> enough to see if anyone I know responds to this -- but mostly you can catch
> me over on Pilots of America, a wonderful, moderated group of aviation
> enthusiasts.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Hey Jay! Sounds like you had a blast in Germany. BTW, is Paul over
at POA too? if so, can you PM me his sn there?

See you around,
Monk

[Ross]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> So I've been contacted by half a dozen folks, telling me that my absence
>snip...

> Our son is first year Army ROTC, doing well, flying when he can. He's
> still jazzed by all the attention he received for flying into Oshkosh
> this year, but college is keeping him busier than ever. Our daughter
> should start flight lessons next spring -- so we're keeping the aviation
> ball rolling!
>
> I hope everyone here is healthy, happy, and well. I'll hang around long
> enough to see if anyone I know responds to this -- but mostly you can
> catch me over on Pilots of America, a wonderful, moderated group of
> aviation enthusiasts.

Drop in more often. I have looked at POA but the set up is too much to
grasp. I still like the open of the usenet. Dudley is working a scheme.
Some of the noise has dropped, but that may be the filtering I am doing.

05U and I are still flying. Glad 100LL is going back down. Currently
$3.20 at our local airport. The Dallas areas are higher. This morning
we woke to 33*F here in North Texas.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Shirl]

Ross > wrote:
> Drop in more often. I have looked at POA but the set up is
> too much to grasp. I still like the open of the usenet.

Ditto that here. Maybe "signing up" isn't that big a deal, but I've
grown weary of having to give up personal information for something
that's supposedly "free" -- there's always some kind of "price".

> 05U and I are still flying. Glad 100LL is going back down. Currently
> $3.20 at our local airport. The Dallas areas are higher. This morning
> we woke to 33*F here in North Texas.

It was $4.17 last week near Phoenix. It was $3.19 in Casa Grande, but
the wind there was 20G28, so I opted to have the truck bring it to my
hangar! I know, I know ... "20G28? so what?" some of you ask (too windy
for me!).
;-)

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Nov 21, 9:25*am, Shirl > wrote:
> Ross > wrote:
> > Drop in more often. I have looked at POA but the set up is
> > too much to grasp. I still like the open of the usenet.
>
> Ditto that here. Maybe "signing up" isn't that big a deal, but I've
> grown weary of having to give up personal information for something
> that's supposedly "free" -- there's always some kind of "price".
>
> > 05U and I are still flying. Glad 100LL is going back down. Currently
> > $3.20 at our local airport. The Dallas areas are higher. *This morning
> > we woke to 33*F here in North Texas.
>
> It was $4.17 last week near Phoenix. It was $3.19 in Casa Grande, but
> the wind there was 20G28, so I opted to have the truck bring it to my
> hangar! I know, I know ... "20G28? so what?" some of you ask (too windy
> for me!).
> ;-)

I haven't found this to be true on POA. No need to be concerned that
I've seen. The group is well run and the pilots there are a friendly
bunch. The moderators pretty much give posters a free reign and I
haven't seen anything even remotely approaching the mess the Usenet
forums have become.
I have yet to regret suggesting this forum to anyone.
Dudley Henriques

[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

Jay Honeck schrieb:
> It's been a lively few months. Martin (if you're still out there) we made

yes, 'm still here.

> it to Munich for Oktoberfest, where I turned 50 years old by partying with 4

oh well, so I wasn't worth a call ...

> million of my closest friends. We drank beer with Croats, Austrians,
> Germans, Brits, Irish, Italians, and (of course) Germans, and had a
> wonderful time. Man, my Bavarian kin certainly lived up to their advanced
> billing -- it was the Mother of All Parties.

I've been there this year for my first time: I entered one entrance and
left about 15 minutes later on the other entrance, down to the subway,
headed away for a couple of stations and went to the German museum.

> While we were there, we took a day trip up the autobahn to Salzburg, in your
> beloved Austria, and were in awe of the place. There's something humbling

:-)
btw, close by is the hometown/house of the "Trapp family singers". :-))

> about eating in a restaurant that has been continuously in business for over
> EIGHT HUNDRED YEARS. It sure puts everything in perspective! And, of

yes, just lieje these folks:
http://www.grassmayr.at/_e/index.htm
in business since 1599.

> course, sitting in the church where Mozart was baptized was a magical
> experience.

And what was the (new?) perspective you won or learned?

> We even hooked up with this group's own Markus (largely a lurker, from
> Germany, whom we've met at Sun N Fun and Oshkosh) while we were there. He
> met us in Munich and gave us the chance to go "off-tour" with a native -- a
> real treat after being trapped in buses and cabs. We visited Dachau with
> him, both the concentration camp and the city, and marveled at man's
> capacity for cruelty -- and beauty.

yes, impressing place.

#m

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2008-11-20 17:53:44 -0800, "Jay Honeck" > said:

> So I've been contacted by half a dozen folks, telling me that my
> absence was the topic of a rather lively thread here -- so I thought
> I'd pop in for a peek at my old stomping ground. How's everyone been?

As you can see, it is still not time to come back. It is still all
about the trolls.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[RST Engineering]

This channel seems to be run on the septic tank principle, Jay.

Most of it flows down, but the really big chunks float to the top.

Jim

--
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."
--Aristotle


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:0RxVk.389431$TT4.53137@attbi_s22...
>> Fjukkkwit.
>
> Ah, I see the vocabulary-challenged village idiot is still muttering his
> signature response, but from a new address that hasn't been killfiled.
>
> Charming.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[John Clear]

In article >,
Shirl > wrote:
>Ross > wrote:
>> Drop in more often. I have looked at POA but the set up is
>> too much to grasp. I still like the open of the usenet.
>
>Ditto that here. Maybe "signing up" isn't that big a deal, but I've
>grown weary of having to give up personal information for something
>that's supposedly "free" -- there's always some kind of "price".

The signing up isn't a big deal, but web forums are slow and painful
to navigate. I don't have the time to waste doing a bunch of clicks
trying to get to the content. Even with all the crap here, between
killfiles and other filters, I can get to the few good bits in a few
seconds.

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

[RST Engineering]

I'm on Maintenance Bay over there, Jay, and haven't seen you at all. What
forum do you populate?

Jim

--
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."
--Aristotle


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:IwoVk.388782$TT4.149115@attbi_s22...
> So I've been contacted by half a dozen folks, telling me that my absence
> was the topic of a rather lively thread here -- so I thought I'd pop in
> for a peek at my old stomping ground. How's everyone been?
>
> No, we're not dead. On September 4th, after over ten years of daily
> postings on these groups, I joined the ranks of "former RAPpers" by
> quitting, cold turkey. Nothing specific precipitated my departure -- it
> was just a long, slow, gradual culmination of many things. The signal to
> noise ratio here had deteriorated to such a level that no number of
> killfiles could do the job -- and what was left after culling the herd of
> trolls was pathetically small. Pilots of America called to me, warts and
> all, so I jumped in with both feet and haven't looked back....

[[email protected]]

On Nov 21, 6:21*am, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> Ah, to be "Down South" this time of year. *It's 12 degrees outside this
> morning here in sunny Iowa!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Uhgggg...... here I was complaining it was cold with temps of 47 and
wind chill of 42 LOL

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote

> Sounds like what evolved for several of us old-time regulars. We didn't
> set out to "create" it -- it just happened in response to the "troll
> wars", and kept on going.
>
> I'll email ya!

Shoot me one too, if you would. I could not get excited over at POA, but
perhaps the new circle of friends would work for me. I ought to give it a
try and see, perhaps.

Take out the obvious capital junk from my return e-maill address.
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_2_]]

> wrote in message
...
On Nov 21, 6:21 am, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> Ah, to be "Down South" this time of year. It's 12 degrees outside this
> morning here in sunny Iowa!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Uhgggg...... here I was complaining it was cold with temps of 47 and
wind chill of 42 LOL

It was brutal here this morning, too. 35 degrees and wind out of the NW
about 20 gusting to 30, then it really started blowing! <g>
--
Jim in NC

[RST Engineering]

Keep me in the loop too, please.

Jim

--
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."
--Aristotle


>>
>> I'll email ya!
>
> Shoot me one too, if you would. I could not get excited over at POA, but
> perhaps the new circle of friends would work for me. I ought to give it a
> try and see, perhaps.

[Mike Adams[_2_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> So I've been contacted by half a dozen folks, telling me that my
> absence was the topic of a rather lively thread here -- so I thought
> I'd pop in for a peek at my old stomping ground. How's everyone been?

Hi Jay. Good to hear from you. I'm still lurking here, but not getting much out of it anymore. I browsed
around on POA a few times, but do most of my aviation reading on the CPA forums now. I hope to get
back to Oshkosh next summer, so keep in touch.

Mike

[Mike]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in
> news:BRoVk.388805$TT4.140150@attbi_s22:
>
>>> Good to see you haven't fallen off the map Jay. I started a thread
>>> upon returning to the groups about what had happened to you and many
>>> other of the good people that used to post here, and man what a
>>> response I got! I've been doing some island flying since we moved
>>> back to Hawaii, and man is it good to be back on island and back in
>>> the air :-)
>>
>> Hey, John -- wow, Hawaii sure sounds good right now. Let's see...it's
>> 22 degrees outside, with a Westerly wind at 12. Brrrrr....too cold
>> for November!
>>
>> I just re-read my post, and realized that I forgot to include the link
>> to our Oktoberfest trip pix. Not much aviation there -- but for those
>> who are ever considering making the pilgrimage to the "Mother of all
>> Beer Bashes", here ya go:
>>
>> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/trip_to_germany.htm
>>
>> It makes our annual Fly-In Pool Party look like a tea party, for sure!
>>
>>:-)
>
>
>
> Great aviation poast there, spammer.

Just as I predicted.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/browse_thread/thread/19e4aea99d0b0606

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

>Hey Jay! Sounds like you had a blast in Germany. BTW, is Paul over
>at POA too? if so, can you PM me his sn there?
>
>See you around,
>Monk

Paul (aka: "Montblack") joined PofA, but (like so many) doesn't care for the
somewhat awkward interface. He doesn't hang there much.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> oh well, so I wasn't worth a call ...

Sorry, I don't have any idea what part of Austria you're from -- nor do I
have a phone number. Being there just four days really restricted our
activities to the bare minimum. Next time, we'll have to set something up.

> I've been there this year for my first time: I entered one entrance and
> left about 15 minutes later on the other entrance, down to the subway,
> headed away for a couple of stations and went to the German museum.

I really wanted to see that museum, but see above. There just wasn't time.

> And what was the (new?) perspective you won or learned?

The one thing I discovered (that surprised me) was that I don't actually
hate big cities -- I hate AMERICAN-style big cities.

Because there are no American-style suburbs around Munich, everyone actually
lives in the city -- which turns it into a lively, fun, and safe place to
live. I love the scale of the place (no skyscrapers), and could truly live
in Munich without any trouble -- well, except for my 7th-grade German.

Sadly, the lack of GA in Germany would kill me. Markus gave us a good
primer of what it's like to fly in Germany, and it was truly depressing.
Yes, it's possible to own and fly your own plane, but the hassle level (and
costs) are truly breathtaking.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> I'm on Maintenance Bay over there, Jay, and haven't seen you at all. What
> forum do you populate?

All of them but the Spin Zone. I swore off that place early on, after
observing that it seemed to be like fly paper that attracted all the trolls.
Or, as close as one can get to being a troll in a moderated group. (Of
course, that's the wisdom of having a "Spin Zone" -- it concentrates all the
acid in one vat, leaving the rest of the site relatively free and clear to
discuss aviation.)

With the wide(r) variety of posts at PofA, I'm more a reader there than a
writer, but I still post a few times per week.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Shoot me one too, if you would. I could not get excited over at POA, but
> perhaps the new circle of friends would work for me. I ought to give it a
> try and see, perhaps.

I think the procedure is that each of us is supposed to email Dudley, for
inclusion in this august group.

Right, Dud?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Hi Jay. Good to hear from you. I'm still lurking here, but not getting
> much out of it anymore. I browsed
> around on POA a few times, but do most of my aviation reading on the CPA
> forums now. I hope to get
> back to Oshkosh next summer, so keep in touch.

Sounds good.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that there will still be an "Oshkosh" next
year -- as well as our hotel. If business keeps declining (okay, crashing)
at the rate its been going down since September, we'll all be selling apples
on street corners by next July...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Nov 21, 5:00*pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote
>
> > Sounds like what evolved for several of us old-time regulars. *We didn't
> > set out to "create" it -- it just happened in response to the "troll
> > wars", and kept on going.
>
> > I'll email ya!
>
> Shoot me one too, if you would. *I could not get excited over at POA, but
> perhaps the new circle of friends would work for me. *I ought to give it a
> try and see, perhaps.
>
> Take out the obvious capital junk from my return e-maill address.
> --
> Jim in NC

Jim;

If you'd like to give the email loop a try send me off a little bit
about yourself and I'll forward it out as an introduction to the group
and include your name on the list.
Dudley

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Nov 21, 7:15*pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> > Shoot me one too, if you would. *I could not get excited over at POA, but
> > perhaps the new circle of friends would work for me. *I ought to give it a
> > try and see, perhaps.
>
> I think the procedure is that each of us is supposed to email Dudley, for
> inclusion in this august group.
>
> Right, Dud?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

That's about it I guess. I'm just a starting point. All I do is ask
interested parties to email me a bit about themselves, then I forward
that out to the group at large. Barring no threats to from the members
to withhold my Jack Daniel's from me for allowing someone in, that's
pretty much it. The name goes in the address book of everybody in the
group and from then on, it's totally freestyle. Anybody can email
anyone or all the group or just lurk if they like. The ONLY objective
of the group is for interested aviation people who might have known
about each other on Usenet and got along well before the mess to get
to know each other a bit better in a friendly back channel email loop.
Working just fine so far. Everybody's happy with it.
Dudley

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Nov 21, 5:32*pm, "RST Engineering" > wrote:
> Keep me in the loop too, please.
>
> Jim
>
> --
> "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
> without accepting it."
> * * * * --Aristotle
>
>
>
> >> I'll email ya!
>
> > Shoot me one too, if you would. *I could not get excited over at POA, but
> > perhaps the new circle of friends would work for me. *I ought to give it a
> > try and see, perhaps.

Drop me a line or two about yourself and I'll forward it out as an
introduction to the group and add your name.
Dudley

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:FcIVk.390364$TT4.278604@attbi_s22:

>> Hi Jay. Good to hear from you. I'm still lurking here, but not
>> getting much out of it anymore. I browsed
>> around on POA a few times, but do most of my aviation reading on the
>> CPA forums now. I hope to get
>> back to Oshkosh next summer, so keep in touch.
>
> Sounds good.
>
> I'm keeping my fingers crossed that there will still be an "Oshkosh"
> next year -- as well as our hotel. If business keeps declining (okay,
> crashing) at the rate its been going down since September, we'll all
> be selling apples on street corners by next July...


I won't


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:D8IVk.445708$yE1.177928@attbi_s21:

>> I'm on Maintenance Bay over there, Jay, and haven't seen you at all.
>> What forum do you populate?
>
> All of them but the Spin Zone. I swore off that place early on, after
> observing that it seemed to be like fly paper that attracted all the
> trolls. Or, as close as one can get to being a troll in a moderated
> group. (Of course, that's the wisdom of having a "Spin Zone" -- it
> concentrates all the acid in one vat, leaving the rest of the site
> relatively free and clear to discuss aviation.)



Still to dumb toknow when you're being tolled, eh Jay?



Well, I'll clue you in eventually.


in the meantime..


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in news:0RxVk.389431
$TT4.53137@attbi_s22:

>> Fjukkkwit.
>
> Ah, I see the vocabulary-challenged village idiot is still muttering his
> signature response, but from a new address that hasn't been killfiled.


God you're an idiot. You think anyone actually believes your killfiel
nonsense wannabe boi?


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

a > wrote in news:970e99bf-72dd-4d12-ad39-
:

> On Nov 21, 7:29*am, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>> > Fjukkkwit.
>>
>> Ah, I see the vocabulary-challenged village idiot is still muttering his
>> signature response, but from a new address that hasn't been killfiled.
>>
>> Charming.
>> --
>> Jay Honeck
>> Iowa City, IA
>> Pathfinder N56993
>> Ercoupe N94856www.AlexisParkInn.com
>> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
> Did you expect anything different, Jay? Some people have a compulsion
> to urinate into their own community wells, and Bertie does have
> blatter control problems.
>

not at all. I only **** in welcoming toilets.


And Jay is as welcoming as they come.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:%uHVk.390266$TT4.40169@attbi_s22:

>>Hey Jay! Sounds like you had a blast in Germany. BTW, is Paul over
>>at POA too? if so, can you PM me his sn there?
>>
>>See you around,
>>Monk
>
> Paul (aka: "Montblack") joined PofA, but (like so many) doesn't care
> for the somewhat awkward interface. He doesn't hang there much.

Too hard for the old junkie to grasp, eh?




Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:xIHVk.445674$yE1.387099@attbi_s21:

>> oh well, so I wasn't worth a call ...
>
> Sorry, I don't have any idea what part of Austria you're from -- nor
> do I have a phone number. Being there just four days really
> restricted our activities to the bare minimum. Next time, we'll have
> to set something up.
>
>> I've been there this year for my first time: I entered one entrance
>> and left about 15 minutes later on the other entrance, down to the
>> subway, headed away for a couple of stations and went to the German
>> museum.
>
> I really wanted to see that museum, but see above. There just wasn't
> time.
>
>> And what was the (new?) perspective you won or learned?
>
> The one thing I discovered (that surprised me) was that I don't
> actually hate big cities -- I hate AMERICAN-style big cities.
>
> Because there are no American-style suburbs around Munich, everyone
> actually lives in the city -- which turns it into a lively, fun, and
> safe place to live. I love the scale of the place (no skyscrapers),
> and could truly live in Munich without any trouble -- well, except for
> my 7th-grade German.
>
> Sadly, the lack of GA in Germany would kill me. Markus gave us a good
> primer of what it's like to fly in Germany, and it was truly
> depressing. Yes, it's possible to own and fly your own plane, but the
> hassle level (and costs) are truly breathtaking.


God you're an idiot.



Bertie

[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

RST Engineering schrieb:
> Keep me in the loop too, please.
>
> Jim
>

well, there are two ways I can be of help, if interested:
I can set up a mailinglist (no ads, no nothing), moderated or whatever
you want t to be (mailman), or I simply add a newsgroup at my newsserver
under our local 'hierarchy', so one only needs to have access to our
newsserver and anybody with access to our newsserver (this is: all our
customers without interest in usenet and a handfull with free accounts)
can read and post to this new group and of course use it to access usenet.

#m

[Martin Hotze[_2_]]

Jay Honeck schrieb:
>> oh well, so I wasn't worth a call ...
>
> Sorry, I don't have any idea what part of Austria you're from -- nor do I

it is about the same distance and driving time from Munich to Salzburg
or to Innsbruck, and from Salzburg to Innsbruck it is also about the
same distance and time.

> have a phone number. Being there just four days really restricted our

you know, there's a website ....

> activities to the bare minimum. Next time, we'll have to set something up.

at least you haven't done the "Europe in 7 days" tour. :-)

>> I've been there this year for my first time: I entered one entrance and
>> left about 15 minutes later on the other entrance, down to the subway,
>> headed away for a couple of stations and went to the German museum.
>
> I really wanted to see that museum, but see above. There just wasn't time.

you need at least 1 day there,
http://www.deutsches-museum.de/index.php?id=1&L=1
and they have an outdoor division with some planes, too. This will
probably take another day.
http://www.deutsches-museum.de/index.php?id=flugwerft&L=1

>> And what was the (new?) perspective you won or learned?
>
> The one thing I discovered (that surprised me) was that I don't actually
> hate big cities -- I hate AMERICAN-style big cities.

and from the cultural perspective or from the way of living and doing
things?

> Because there are no American-style suburbs around Munich, everyone actually
> lives in the city -- which turns it into a lively, fun, and safe place to
> live. I love the scale of the place (no skyscrapers), and could truly live
> in Munich without any trouble

this is Munich, they are more relaxed than other cities in Germany (more
to the north). Frankfurt might not be your idea of a lovely city, I guess.

> -- well, except for my 7th-grade German.

I doubt that it was a really big problem.

> Sadly, the lack of GA in Germany would kill me. Markus gave us a good
> primer of what it's like to fly in Germany, and it was truly depressing.
> Yes, it's possible to own and fly your own plane, but the hassle level (and
> costs) are truly breathtaking.

there are ways, of course, and you can't fly easily into the big
airports. ultra lights etc are more and more seen

#m

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> and from the cultural perspective or from the way of living and doing
> things?

One interesting (and refreshing) thing I observed about Germans (or,
perhaps, Bavarians) was their attitude toward drinking. Around here (a
college town) the place is absolutely AWASH with beer and booze, but just
try to get any of it as an adult. You can't get a beer or a glass of wine
at any outdoor events -- period -- because it's treated like crack cocaine.

An example: We tried to do a "hangar dance" as part of the American
Barnstormers Tour here last summer. This would have been a fund-raiser to
help defray their costs. The city attorney said "nein" -- no alcohol of any
kind allowed on city property. Had their appearance not been canceled due
to our "little" flood, Iowa City would have been the ONLY stop on the tour
to not have beer and wine served at the event. Talk about childish!

Munich, on the other hand, treats beer as just another beverage. It's
everywhere, but it's no big deal. You can walk down the street with a beer,
and no one bats an eye. At Oktoberfest, literally thousands of revelers
drank beer from GLASS steins every day -- something that would be absolutely
unheard of in the U.S. (I can just hear our city attorney howling about the
"liability" issues.) Everyone had a great time, no one got rowdy -- it was
just good, clean fun, for people from all over the world.

And, best of all -- for those who had too much to drink, they had a special
tent set up with cots for revelers to "sleep it off" if needed. Here in
Iowa City, our jail is filled every weekend with young people, jailed for
"public intoxication" -- a thinly-veiled ruse to raise big bucks for the
city, and a stupid waste of valuable jail space. The Germans are much more
mature and pragmatic about the whole situation.

However, lest anyone think that Germany is a bunch of drunks careening
around the autobahn, NO ONE drinks and drives. The penalties for doing so
are severe -- as they should be -- and cabs are everywhere. Thus, drinking
is a nice, social event that is kept in proper perspective, rather than
romanticized it to the point where our young people here binge drink
themselves into oblivion.

We had a wonderful time, and we would go back tomorrow if we could. In
fact, we tried to extend our stay a couple of days (our staffing at the
hotel was rock-solid, so we felt we could be gone longer) -- but Lufthansa
would have none of it. They wanted $500 extra to move our flights back 48
hours -- so we sadly had to come home as scheduled.

Ah, well -- next time I want to get down to Stuttgart, in the area I *think*
my family is from.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Noel[_2_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> and from the cultural perspective or from the way of living and doing
>> things?
>
> One interesting (and refreshing) thing I observed about Germans (or,
> perhaps, Bavarians) was their attitude toward drinking. Around here (a
> college town) the place is absolutely AWASH with beer and booze, but
> just try to get any of it as an adult. You can't get a beer or a glass
> of wine at any outdoor events -- period -- because it's treated like
> crack cocaine.

I gather that the Germans are a bit more responsible about drinking.
Specifically not getting blitzed. Which leads to the question of
how to get that across the pond into the American culture...

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> I gather that the Germans are a bit more responsible about drinking.
> Specifically not getting blitzed. Which leads to the question of
> how to get that across the pond into the American culture...

I think you get that across the pond by treating drinking as a normal adult
pastime, and ostracizing people who over-do it. Our culture has evolved
(at the legal level, anyway) into treating drinking as quasi-criminal and
thus, for the younger crowd, romantic. In this atmosphere it becomes the
forbidden fruit.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Monk]

On Nov 22, 7:32*am, Martin Hotze > wrote:
> RST Engineering schrieb:
>
> > Keep me in the loop too, please.
>
> > Jim
>
> well, there are two ways I can be of help, if interested:
> I can set up a mailinglist (no ads, no nothing), moderated or whatever
> you want t to be (mailman), or I simply add a newsgroup at my newsserver
> * under our local 'hierarchy', so one only needs to have access to our
> newsserver and anybody with access to our newsserver (this is: all our
> customers without interest in usenet and a handfull with free accounts)
> can read and post to this new group and of course use it to access usenet..
>
> #m

What ever the group decides, count me in.

Monk

[Tobias Schnell]

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:03:05 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>Ah, well -- next time I want to get down to Stuttgart, in the area I *think*
>my family is from.

When you do that, drop me a line. I am not too far away from there and
perhaps there is a chance to show you that GA is not THAT bad in
Germany after all...

Tobias

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> When you do that, drop me a line. I am not too far away from there and
> perhaps there is a chance to show you that GA is not THAT bad in
> Germany after all...

Hey, GA is wonderful EVERYWHERE. It's just the damned cost of it that
sucks!

:-)

Thanks for the offer, though. I don't know when we'll get back, but it'll
hopefully be in the next two years. (We were hoping to go back next year,
but that's looking less likely since the bottom dropped out of our economy.
It's not a good time to own a hotel, that's for sure...)

One bright note: A few months ago, it cost over $200 to fill the "Mighty
Grape's" 55 gallon transfer tank full of mogas. Today, after a flight to
Wisconsin, it cost just $98 -- an incredible savings! Fuel now costs less
than half of what it did this summer, which SHOULD help to revive GA (and,
hopefully, or economy).
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:IYnWk.449100$yE1.23220@attbi_s21:

>> When you do that, drop me a line. I am not too far away from there
>> and perhaps there is a chance to show you that GA is not THAT bad in
>> Germany after all...
>
> Hey, GA is wonderful EVERYWHERE. It's just the damned cost of it that
> sucks!
>
>:-)
>
> Thanks for the offer, though. I don't know when we'll get back, but
> it'll hopefully be in the next two years. (We were hoping to go back
> next year, but that's looking less likely since the bottom dropped out
> of our economy. It's not a good time to own a hotel, that's for
> sure...)
>
> One bright note: A few months ago, it cost over $200 to fill the
> "Mighty Grape's" 55 gallon transfer tank full of mogas. Today, after
> a flight to Wisconsin, it cost just $98 -- an incredible savings!
> Fuel now costs less than half of what it did this summer, which SHOULD
> help to revive GA (and, hopefully, or economy).

Good grief.


Bertie

[john smith]

In article >, Bob Noel >
wrote:

> I gather that the Germans are a bit more responsible about drinking.
> Specifically not getting blitzed. Which leads to the question of
> how to get that across the pond into the American culture...

I worked as a coop student in a printing press factory in Germany from
November 1977 until June 1978.
Upon entering the manufacturing space, I noticed two bottled drink
vending machines. The first was a soft drink machine and the second, a
beer machine. That was very interesting.
My first day on the job, I watched as my coworkers would purchase a beer
at the beginning of the shift (6:30 AM). They would return to their work
station and place the unopened bottle on nearby. At break time, around
9:30 AM, they would open the bottle, take a couple swigs, replace the
cap, and place the bottle back where it was.
During the remainder of the morning, they would take a couple more
swigs, usually finishing off the 0.5 l bottle around lunch time.
The bottle came out of the machine cold. By the time they took the first
drink it had warmed up.
They preferred to drink it warm. When I inquired why they drank it warm,
I was told that cold was bad for the stomach.

[Andrew Gideon]

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:17:41 +0000, Jay Honeck wrote:

> If business keeps declining (okay,
> crashing) at the rate its been going down since September, we'll all be
> selling apples on street corners by next July...

For what it's worth, I read an interesting editorial recently. It
pointed out that business climates like this cause established companies
to pull back...which leaves opportunities for "risk takers". It further
explained that both Oracle and Microsoft had formed during similar times.

As a business owner, this may be food for your thought. I know that it
is for me.

Unfortunately, at least for me, this is translating to less time flying.

- Andrew

[F. Baum]

On Nov 20, 6:53*pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> So I've been contacted by half a dozen folks, telling me that my absence was
> the topic of a rather lively thread here -- so I thought I'd pop in for a
> peek at my old stomping ground. *How's everyone been?
>
Well Im just fine Jay and thanks for asking. Germany is cool. Its too
bad americans cant drink like Germans do. I spend a bit of time over
there and between Octoberfest and the Wine Festival in my parents
hometown I have seen alot of drinking over there but no drunk and
disorderly conduct. If you ever get the chance do some flying in
Germany , the scenery is spectacular and the local pilots have always
treated me like royalty. Too bad about the slowdown in travel, hope it
turns around soon. Mebee you and Bertie just need to sitdown at
Oshfest and chug some brew and hammer things out. Its funny that I
only come around this list once every 3 months or so and I usually
come across one of your posts. Best holiday wishes,
F. Baum

[B A R R Y[_2_]]

Andrew Gideon wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, I read an interesting editorial recently. It
> pointed out that business climates like this cause established companies
> to pull back...which leaves opportunities for "risk takers". It further
> explained that both Oracle and Microsoft had formed during similar times.

Not to mention that outsourcing opportunities often increase when larger
businesses pull back.

Everything I manage in the course of my job at a biggie is actually
completed hands-on by contractors. I used to worry about outsourcing.
Now, I realize that I've developed a whole new salable skill set of
managing outsourced work.

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

>> For what it's worth, I read an interesting editorial recently. It
>> pointed out that business climates like this cause established companies
>> to pull back...which leaves opportunities for "risk takers". It further
>> explained that both Oracle and Microsoft had formed during similar times.
>
> Not to mention that outsourcing opportunities often increase when larger
> businesses pull back.

All of these things make perfect sense -- but don't translate well into the
hotel biz.

Right now we're seeing the perfect storm in our biz. First, personal flying
is down to the point of being almost immeasurable. In fact, if our fly-in
business went away tomorrow, I'm not sure how we'd even measure the loss --
sad to say. This is the single most disheartening part of the downturn,
since we never set out to be innkeepers in the traditional sense. Rather,
we created this place to be the ultimate pilot hang-out, and finished it --
apparently just in time to see the demise of personal flying in America. Of
course, we can't blame that entirely on this particular downturn, as GA has
been declining precipitously since at least 2005, and has dropped 50% or
more in the last 12 months.

Combine this with businesses cutting back or eliminating their travel
budgets since September, and we've lost two important parts of our business.
All we're left with is the weekend "getaway with your honey in a hot tub"
business, which -- while significant -- is insufficient to support a hotel
in the long run.

As with all downturns, it's a temporary thing -- everything is cyclical --
but it still sucks, especially since we were having a record year until
October hit like a big, wet blanket, making the change appear all the more
stark.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Shirl]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> Right now we're seeing the perfect storm in our biz. First, personal flying
> is down to the point of being almost immeasurable. In fact, if our fly-in
> business went away tomorrow, I'm not sure how we'd even measure the loss --
> sad to say. This is the single most disheartening part of the downturn,
> since we never set out to be innkeepers in the traditional sense. Rather,
> we created this place to be the ultimate pilot hang-out, and finished it --
> apparently just in time to see the demise of personal flying in America. Of
> course, we can't blame that entirely on this particular downturn, as GA has
> been declining precipitously since at least 2005, and has dropped 50% or
> more in the last 12 months.
>
> Combine this with businesses cutting back or eliminating their travel
> budgets since September, and we've lost two important parts of our business.
> All we're left with is the weekend "getaway with your honey in a hot tub"
> business, which -- while significant -- is insufficient to support a hotel
> in the long run.

This current economic situation has everyone pretty scared. It isn't
only "businesses cutting back or eliminating travel budgets" ...
FAMILIES are cutting back, not taking time off work for getaways, and
eliminating travel budgets ... and rightly so. With all the talk about
higher taxes, retirement becoming a thing of the past, jobs being
eliminated right and left, and zero social security, people are not
taking vacations and are spending weekends with family right there at
home visiting local attractions that don't require hotel stays. If it
weren't associated with an economic crisis, returning the focus on
family/home life isn't a bad thing, though businesses like yours will
obviously take a huge hit, sad to say. The other thing is that people
who are already retired are going back to work, IF they can find jobs.

My own flying frequency is down. It isn't because of the fuel costs
(which have now come down considerably), it's because of the instinct to
keep nose to the grindstone and work while there IS work vs. opting to
go "play". Call it "guilty conscience," but while the passion for it is
still there, it's harder and harder to rationalize the expense.

Lastly, lots of people have lost a huge part of their nest-egg, if not
all of it, so money they'd allotted for extras like flying, vacations,
or "weekend getaways with honey in a hot tub" is now not "extra", and
the tub in the upstairs bathroom is looking pretty attractive!

Scary times.

[Andrew Gideon]

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:43:39 -0700, Shirl wrote:

> people are not taking vacations and are spending weekends with family
> right there at home visiting local attractions that don't require hotel
> stays

Well, I'm obviously not in - or anywhere near - the hotel business. But
I've this sense that, somehow, there's perhaps some small opportunity
here. For example, what if Jay's hotel manages to become a "local
attraction".

Certainly, he's invested enough money being a unique hotel. What would
it take to be an attraction to locals?

I vaguely recall that there's a nice simulator setup there; nice enough
that it's better than what most people would afford on their own.
Perhaps he could expand this and introduce something like "league play"
in air combat? I also recall reading here about what might be as
sophisticated as a "simulated aviation world" available via the Internet;
perhaps access to this with high-end gear has value?

Again, I'm no expert so I'm probably nowhere near the mark. But I like
the idea of no crisis going unexploited <grin>. Best of luck to you, Jay.

- Andrew

[Shirl]

Shirl:
> people are not taking vacations and are spending weekends with family
> right there at home visiting local attractions that don't require hotel
> stays

Andrew Gideon > wrote:
> Well, I'm obviously not in - or anywhere near - the hotel business. But
> I've this sense that, somehow, there's perhaps some small opportunity
> here. For example, what if Jay's hotel manages to become a "local
> attraction".
>
> Certainly, he's invested enough money being a unique hotel. What would
> it take to be an attraction to locals?
>
> I vaguely recall that there's a nice simulator setup there; nice enough
> that it's better than what most people would afford on their own.
> Perhaps he could expand this and introduce something like "league play"
> in air combat? I also recall reading here about what might be as
> sophisticated as a "simulated aviation world" available via the Internet;
> perhaps access to this with high-end gear has value?
>
> Again, I'm no expert so I'm probably nowhere near the mark. But I like
> the idea of no crisis going unexploited <grin>. Best of luck to you, Jay.

Very "enterprising"! :-)
My guess is Jay would have to spend some $ on advertising to get that
kind of thing rolling; then he'd have to charge for the "air combat"
arcade-type play -- does he have more than one simulator $et up? If not,
wouldn't be much fun for 20 people to stand and watch while one (or two)
are at the controls. You'd have to have support staff on hand to monitor
the sims, keep them working. Would people actually use the *hotel* for
overnight stay? or just show up for the sim play? Would sim play be
enough to cover the overhead of the whole hotel? Would people hanging
around for sim play disrupt actual paying hotel guests? What if a paying
hotel guest wants to use the sim? Would the insurance cover *customers*
on the premises for non-hotel purposes?

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Well, I'm obviously not in - or anywhere near - the hotel business. But
> I've this sense that, somehow, there's perhaps some small opportunity
> here. For example, what if Jay's hotel manages to become a "local
> attraction".

That's precisely our target market this winter, Andrew -- and every winter,
quite frankly. A HUGE proportion of our off-season business is from locals
(defined as folks who live in the same county) doing weekend getaways,
spending time "flying" the sim, soaking in the hot tubs, and watching our
(free) aviation movies. When gas was $4/gallon, we were even getting a lot
of these folks during the season. (Defined as April - November)

But that's primarily a weekend business affair, leaving the other five
nights wide open without the traditional business travelers. We need those
companies -- and families moving to the area, staying with us while looking
for a house -- to come back. And that's going to take economic confidence
to achieve.

I take some solace from the Black Friday sales, which -- by most accounts --
were actually UP over last year. Let's hope this signals a turnaround.

Either way -- it's just 236 days until our 2009 Oshkosh Fly-In Pool Party!
Winter is just a few months long...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> My guess is Jay would have to spend some $ on advertising to get that
> kind of thing rolling; then he'd have to charge for the "air combat"
> arcade-type play -- does he have more than one simulator $et up? If not,
> wouldn't be much fun for 20 people to stand and watch while one (or two)
> are at the controls. You'd have to have support staff on hand to monitor
> the sims, keep them working. Would people actually use the *hotel* for
> overnight stay? or just show up for the sim play? Would sim play be
> enough to cover the overhead of the whole hotel? Would people hanging
> around for sim play disrupt actual paying hotel guests? What if a paying
> hotel guest wants to use the sim? Would the insurance cover *customers*
> on the premises for non-hotel purposes?

We've allowed anyone and everyone to "fly" the Kiwi flight sim anytime
they'd like, ever since we built it back in '05 -- hotel guests or not.
Remember, this is a prototype of EIGHT sims were building for a new aviation
exhibit (slated to open in Summer of '09) at the Iowa Children's Museum --
so we "kid (and parent) test" it at every opportunity.

You should see the finished products! Unlike the Kiwi, they look and feel
like real airplanes, and we've incorporated all the ergonomic touches that
the Kiwi lacked. They are so cool, I doubt we'll be able to control the
mobs of kids that will be clamoring to get into the museum next summer!

:-)

From there, it's just a short step to taking flight lessons. We're working
with our local FBO so that they'll be involved with the exhibit, and
hopefully offer a discounted "discovery flight" as part of the museum
experience.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:e%3Wk.447348$yE1.325469@attbi_s21:

>> I gather that the Germans are a bit more responsible about drinking.
>> Specifically not getting blitzed. Which leads to the question of
>> how to get that across the pond into the American culture...
>
> I think you get that across the pond by treating drinking as a normal
> adult pastime, and ostracizing people who over-do it. Our culture
> has evolved (at the legal level, anyway) into treating drinking as
> quasi-criminal and thus, for the younger crowd, romantic. In this
> atmosphere it becomes the forbidden fruit.



You're an idiot


Bertie