Straight-and-Level Flight

[w3n-a]

It is impossible to emphasize too strongly the necessity for forming
correct habits in flying straight and level. All other flight
maneuvers are in essence a deviation from this fundamental flight
maneuver.

http://w3n-a.blogspot.com/2008/11/straight-and-level-flight.html

Many flight instructors and students are prone to believe that
perfection in straight-and-level flight will come of itself, but such
is not the case. It is not uncommon to find a pilot whose basic flying
ability consistently falls just short of minimum expected standards,
and upon analyzing the reasons for the shortcomings to discover that
the cause is the inability to fly straight and level properly.

Straight-and-level flight is flight in which a constant heading and
altitude are maintained. It is accomplished by making immediate and
measured corrections for deviations in direction and altitude from
unintentional slight turns, descents, and climbs. Level flight, at
first, is a matter of consciously fixing the relationship of the
position of some portion of the airplane, used as a reference point,
with the horizon. In establishing the reference points, the instructor
should place the airplane in the desired position and aid the student
in selecting reference points. The instructor should be aware that no
two pilots see this relationship exactly the same. The references will
depend on where the pilot is sitting, the pilot's height (whether
short or tall), and the pilot's manner of sitting. It is, therefore,
important that during the fixing of this relationship, the pilot sit
in a normal manner; otherwise the points will not be the same when the
normal position is resumed.

In learning to control the airplane in level flight, it is important
that the student be taught to maintain a light grip on the flight
controls, and that the control forces desired be exerted lightly and
just enough to produce the desired result. The student should learn to
associate the apparent movement of the references with the forces
which produce it. In this way, the student can develop the ability to
regulate the change desired in the airplane's attitude by the amount
and direction of forces applied to the controls without the necessity
of referring to instrument or outside references for each minor
correction.

The pitch attitude for level flight (constant altitude) is usually
obtained by selecting some portion of the airplane's nose as a
reference point, and then keeping that point in a fixed position
relative to the horizon. Using the principles of attitude flying,
that position should be cross-checked occasionally against the
altimeter to determine whether or not the pitch attitude is correct.
If altitude is being gained or lost, the pitch attitude should be
readjusted in relation to the horizon and then the altimeter rechecked
to determine if altitude is now being maintained. The application of
forward or back-elevator pressure is used to control this attitude.

The pitch information obtained from the attitude indicator also will
show the position of the nose relative to the horizon and will
indicate whether elevator pressure is necessary to change the pitch
attitude to return to level flight. However, the primary reference
source is the natural horizon.

In all normal maneuvers, the term "increase the pitch attitude"
implies raising the nose in relation to the horizon; the term
"decreasing the pitch attitude" means lowering the nose.

Straight flight (laterally level flight) is accomplished by visually
checking the relationship of the airplane's wingtips with the horizon.
Both wingtips should be equidistant above or below the horizon
(depending on whether the airplane is a high-wing or low-wing type),
and any necessary adjustments should be made with the ailerons, noting
the relationship of control pressure and the airplane's attitude. The
student should understand that anytime the wings are banked, even
though very slightly, the airplane will turn. The objective of
straight-and-level flight is to detect small deviations from laterally
level flight as soon as they occur, necessitating only small
corrections. Reference to the heading indicator should be made to note
any change in direction.

Continually observing the wingtips has advantages other than being the
only positive check for leveling the wings. It also helps divert the
pilot's attention from the airplane's nose, prevents a fixed stare,
and automatically expands the pilot's area of vision by increasing the
range necessary for the pilot's vision to cover. In practicing
straight-and-level-flight, the wingtips can be used not only for
establishing the airplane's laterally level attitude or bank, but to a
lesser degree, its pitch attitude. This is noted only for assistance
in learning straight-andlevel flight, and is not a recommended
practice in normal operations.

The scope of a student's vision is also very important, for if it is
obscured the student will tend to look out to one side continually
(usually the left) and consequently lean that way. This not only gives
the student a biased angle from which to judge, but also causes the
student to exert unconscious pressure on the controls in that
direction, which results in dragging a wing.

With the wings approximately level, it is possible to maintain
straight flight by simply exerting the necessary forces on the rudder
in the desired direction. However, the instructor should point out
that the practice of using rudder alone is not correct and may make
precise control of the airplane difficult. Straight–and-level flight
requires almost no application of control pressures if the airplane is
properly trimmed and the air is smooth. For that reason, the student
must not form the habit of constantly moving the controls
unnecessarily. The student must learn to recognize when corrections
are necessary, and then to make a measured response easily and
naturally.

To obtain the proper conception of the forces required on the rudder
during straight-and-levelflight, the airplane must be held level. One
of the most common faults of beginning students is the tendency to
concentrate on the nose of the airplane and attempting to hold the
wings level by observing the curvature of the nose cowling. With this
method, the reference line is very short and the deviation,
particularly if very slight, can go unnoticed. Also, a very small
deviation from level, by this short reference line, becomes
considerable at the wingtips and results in an appreciable dragging of
one wing. This attitude requires the use of additional rudder to
maintain straight flight, giving a false conception of neutral control
forces. The habit of dragging one wing, and compensating with rudder
pressure, if allowed to develop is particularly hard to break, and if
not corrected will result in considerable difficulty in mastering
other flight maneuvers.

For all practical purposes, the airspeed will remain constant in
straight-and-level flight with a constant power setting. Practice of
intentional airspeed changes, by increasing or decreasing the power,
will provide an excellent means of developing proficiency in
maintaining straight-and-level flight at various speeds. Significant
changes in airspeed will, of course, require considerable changes in
pitch attitude and pitch trim to maintain altitude. Pronounced changes
in pitch attitude and trim will also be necessary as the flaps and
landing gear are operated.

Common errors in the performance of straight-andlevel flight are:

Attempting to use improper reference points on the airplane to
establish attitude.
Forgetting the location of preselected reference points on subsequent
flights.
Attempting to establish or correct airplane attitude using flight
instruments rather than outside visual reference.
Attempting to maintain direction using only rudder control.
Habitually flying with one wing low.
"Chasing" the flight instruments rather than adhering to the
principles of attitude flying.
Too tight a grip on the flight controls resulting in overcontrol and
lack of feel.
Pushing or pulling on the flight controls rather than exerting
pressure against the airstream.
Improper scanning and/or devoting insufficient time to outside visual
reference. (Head in the cockpit.)
Fixation on the nose (pitch attitude) reference point.
Unnecessary or inappropriate control inputs.
Failure to make timely and measured control inputs when deviations
from straight-and-level flight are detected.
Inadequate attention to sensory inputs in developing feel for the
airplane.

[Kingfish]

On Dec 1, 8:55*am, w3n-a > wrote:

..... <snip ridiculously long post on Piloting 101> ...

To whom was this supposed to benefit??

[[email protected]]

On Dec 1, 6:55 am, w3n-a > wrote:

> Common errors in the performance of straight-andlevel flight are:
>
> Attempting to use improper reference points on the airplane to
> establish attitude.
> Forgetting the location of preselected reference points on subsequent
> flights.
> Attempting to establish or correct airplane attitude using flight
> instruments rather than outside visual reference.
> Attempting to maintain direction using only rudder control.
> Habitually flying with one wing low.
> "Chasing" the flight instruments rather than adhering to the
> principles of attitude flying.
> Too tight a grip on the flight controls resulting in overcontrol and
> lack of feel.
> Pushing or pulling on the flight controls rather than exerting
> pressure against the airstream.
> Improper scanning and/or devoting insufficient time to outside visual
> reference. (Head in the cockpit.)
> Fixation on the nose (pitch attitude) reference point.
> Unnecessary or inappropriate control inputs.
> Failure to make timely and measured control inputs when deviations
> from straight-and-level flight are detected.
> Inadequate attention to sensory inputs in developing feel for the
> airplane.

And add to the top of that list: Incorrect trimming procedure.
After the climb, level the airplane using the YOKE, not the trim. Wait
for the target speed, then set the power. THEN trim to remove control
pressure. Some more powerful craft will need a bit of trim adjustment
while waiting for the speed, but most pilots who have trouble
establishing and maintaining an altitude are leveling off while
simultaneously reducing power and then trimming immediately. The
airplane's speed then continues to creep up, which raises the nose and
screws up the altitude and the pilot then trims some more. Then he
finds that the RPM has crept up too (fixed-pitch) since the AOA on the
prop has dropped, so he reduces that and the nose falls and the
airplane descends. The whole trip is spent climbing and diving. It's
easily the most common mistake I find in the circuit and on cross-
countries.

Dan

[george]

On Dec 2, 4:55*am, Kingfish > wrote:
> On Dec 1, 8:55*am, w3n-a > wrote:
>
> .... <snip ridiculously long post on Piloting 101> ...
>
> To whom was this supposed to benefit??

If the poster keeps to the syllabus next will be Turn and Bank.
Maybe its a tyro instructor trying out its ground school lectures ?

[Beauciphus]

"george" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 2, 4:55 am, Kingfish > wrote:
> On Dec 1, 8:55 am, w3n-a > wrote:
>
> .... <snip ridiculously long post on Piloting 101> ...
>
> To whom was this supposed to benefit??
>
>If the poster keeps to the syllabus next will be Turn and Bank.
>Maybe its a tyro instructor trying out its ground school lectures ?

He's posted the flying handbook from the FAA on his blog, and is trying to
collect advertising revenue by drawing visitors to his site. It's the
bloggers version of the six dollar pyramid scheme.

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"w3n-a" > wrote in message
...
>It is impossible to emphasize too strongly the necessity for forming
>correct habits in flying straight and level. All other flight
>maneuvers are in essence a deviation from this fundamental flight
>maneuver.

Straight and level is an aberration. An exercise in flying inefficiently.
An artifact the ground based air traffic seperation system.



One should slow down and climb in rising air to maximize the benefit from
the lift, and put the nose down in sink to break through quickly and
minimize the loss. Flying straight and level has you do exactly the
opposite - resulting in a slower average air speed and increased fuel
consumption over a trip.




--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[Tman[_2_]]

wrote:

> And add to the top of that list: Incorrect trimming procedure.
> After the climb, level the airplane using the YOKE, not the trim. Wait

"pitch power trim"

right up there with
"turn time twist throttle talk think"...

[Mike]

"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk @See My Sig.com> wrote in message
...
> "w3n-a" > wrote in message
> ...
>>It is impossible to emphasize too strongly the necessity for forming
>>correct habits in flying straight and level. All other flight
>>maneuvers are in essence a deviation from this fundamental flight
>>maneuver.
>
> Straight and level is an aberration. An exercise in flying inefficiently.
> An artifact the ground based air traffic seperation system.
>
>
>
> One should slow down and climb in rising air to maximize the benefit from
> the lift, and put the nose down in sink to break through quickly and
> minimize the loss. Flying straight and level has you do exactly the
> opposite - resulting in a slower average air speed and increased fuel
> consumption over a trip.

Not only that one of the benefits of flying VFR is I DON'T have to fly
straight and level.

[Mike]

"Tman" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>
>> And add to the top of that list: Incorrect trimming procedure.
>> After the climb, level the airplane using the YOKE, not the trim. Wait
>
> "pitch power trim"
>
> right up there with
> "turn time twist throttle talk think"...

Actually I would rate the former, which is good, much higher than the later,
which is next to useless.

[BT]

soaring pilots know that..
BT

"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk @See My Sig.com> wrote in message
...
> "w3n-a" > wrote in message
> ...
>>It is impossible to emphasize too strongly the necessity for forming
>>correct habits in flying straight and level. All other flight
>>maneuvers are in essence a deviation from this fundamental flight
>>maneuver.
>
> Straight and level is an aberration. An exercise in flying inefficiently.
> An artifact the ground based air traffic seperation system.
>
>
>
> One should slow down and climb in rising air to maximize the benefit from
> the lift, and put the nose down in sink to break through quickly and
> minimize the loss. Flying straight and level has you do exactly the
> opposite - resulting in a slower average air speed and increased fuel
> consumption over a trip.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Geoff
> The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
> remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
> When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Tman" > wrote in message
| ...
| > wrote:
| >
| >> And add to the top of that list: Incorrect trimming procedure.
| >> After the climb, level the airplane using the YOKE, not the trim. Wait
| >
| > "pitch power trim"
| >
| > right up there with
| > "turn time twist throttle talk think"...
|
| Actually I would rate the former, which is good, much higher than the
later,
| which is next to useless.
|

Says the 10 year old dumb ass.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Tman" > wrote in message
> | ...
> | > wrote:
> | >
> | >> And add to the top of that list: Incorrect trimming
> procedure.
> | >> After the climb, level the airplane using the YOKE, not the trim.
> Wait
> | >
> | > "pitch power trim"
> | >
> | > right up there with
> | > "turn time twist throttle talk think"...
> |
> | Actually I would rate the former, which is good, much higher than the
> later,
> | which is next to useless.
> |
>
> Says the 10 year old dumb ass.

....sez Maxipad, the anacephalic Okie wannabe with a .7 hr introductory
flight in his logbook.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
|
| Not only that one of the benefits of flying VFR is I DON'T have to fly
| straight and level.
|

Sure you do dumb ass, you're just to ignorant to know it.

Are you really a pilot?

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
|
| ...sez Maxipad, the anacephalic Okie wannabe with a .7 hr introductory
| flight in his logbook.
|

Like you would have a clue about my log book, junior.

You have proven nothing to anyone, except your ability to hallucinate and
believe it.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> |
> | ...sez Maxipad, the anacephalic Okie wannabe with a .7 hr introductory
> | flight in his logbook.
> |
>
> Like you would have a clue about my log book, junior.

Since when did that stop you from passing judgement on Anthony, Okie?
Damnation you are dumber than a sack of hammers, Maxipad. You can't pass
judgement on someone else without having that microscope turned back in your
direction, Okie.

You have even admitted you are a wannabe in your own past messages and you
even lie about your own name. So the only evidence presented by you to the
contrary is your word, which has been proved worthless, and the knowledge
you demonstrate here which is nonexistent.

It's quite obvious to even the casual observer that you're nothing more than
a wannabe, Maxipad. If you choose to lie to yourself, so be it.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> |
> | Not only that one of the benefits of flying VFR is I DON'T have to fly
> | straight and level.
> |
>
> Sure you do dumb ass, you're just to ignorant to know it.
>
> Are you really a pilot?

Try reading some of my messages sometime, Maxipad, and the answer will be
readily apparent. Seeing as how you're my groupie, I'm sure that won't be
hard for you. Then read a few of your own messages. Mostly what you'll
find are blank stares and subject matter so rudimentary Anthony wouldn't
even post them, but you have to go back quite a ways to even find those.
Then perhaps you'll understand why you're considered nothing more than a
wannabe. But I suspect that's why you never post ANYTHING aviation related
anymore. Better to keep your mouth shut and just make people think you're
an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt, no? The problem is that
makes you a troll, Maxipad, but a very special one that doesn't mind being
the NG punching bag.

Cheers.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > |
| > | ...sez Maxipad, the anacephalic Okie wannabe with a .7 hr introductory
| > | flight in his logbook.
| > |
| >
| > Like you would have a clue about my log book, junior.
|
| Since when did that stop you from passing judgement on Anthony, Okie?
| Damnation you are dumber than a sack of hammers, Maxipad. You can't pass
| judgement on someone else without having that microscope turned back in
your
| direction, Okie.
|
| You have even admitted you are a wannabe in your own past messages and you
| even lie about your own name. So the only evidence presented by you to
the
| contrary is your word, which has been proved worthless, and the knowledge
| you demonstrate here which is nonexistent.
|
| It's quite obvious to even the casual observer that you're nothing more
than
| a wannabe, Maxipad. If you choose to lie to yourself, so be it.
|

Like I said before your usual hat dance, little mikey, how would you have a
clue about my log book. Would it be easier for you to understand if I typed
it in caps?

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > |
| > | Not only that one of the benefits of flying VFR is I DON'T have to fly
| > | straight and level.
| > |
| >
| > Sure you do dumb ass, you're just to ignorant to know it.
| >
| > Are you really a pilot?
|
| Try reading some of my messages sometime, Maxipad, and the answer will be
| readily apparent. Seeing as how you're my groupie, I'm sure that won't be
| hard for you. Then read a few of your own messages. Mostly what you'll
| find are blank stares and subject matter so rudimentary Anthony wouldn't
| even post them, but you have to go back quite a ways to even find those.
| Then perhaps you'll understand why you're considered nothing more than a
| wannabe. But I suspect that's why you never post ANYTHING aviation
related
| anymore. Better to keep your mouth shut and just make people think you're
| an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt, no? The problem is that
| makes you a troll, Maxipad, but a very special one that doesn't mind being
| the NG punching bag.
|
| Cheers.
|

Like I said before your hat dance, little mikey. Are you really a pilot?

[Bear Bottoms[_4_]]

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:22:32 GMT, Mike wrote:

> Since when

TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't work
Mikey

SHUT THE **** UP ASSHOLE
--
Bear Bottoms
Private Attorney General

[Bear Bottoms[_4_]]

On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:50:30 GMT, Mike wrote:

> Not only

TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't work
Mikey

SHUT THE **** UP ASSHOLE
--
Bear Bottoms
Private Attorney General

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > |
> | > | ...sez Maxipad, the anacephalic Okie wannabe with a .7 hr
> introductory
> | > | flight in his logbook.
> | > |
> | >
> | > Like you would have a clue about my log book, junior.
> |
> | Since when did that stop you from passing judgement on Anthony, Okie?
> | Damnation you are dumber than a sack of hammers, Maxipad. You can't
> pass
> | judgement on someone else without having that microscope turned back in
> your
> | direction, Okie.
> |
> | You have even admitted you are a wannabe in your own past messages and
> you
> | even lie about your own name. So the only evidence presented by you to
> the
> | contrary is your word, which has been proved worthless, and the
> knowledge
> | you demonstrate here which is nonexistent.
> |
> | It's quite obvious to even the casual observer that you're nothing more
> than
> | a wannabe, Maxipad. If you choose to lie to yourself, so be it.
> |
>
> Like I said before your usual hat dance, little mikey, how would you have
> a
> clue about my log book.

Because you quash any measure of doubt with every post, Okie.

[Mike]

"Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:22:32 GMT, Mike wrote:
>
>> Since when
>
> TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't work
> Mikey
>
> SHUT THE **** UP ASSHOLE
> --
> Bear Bottoms
> Private Attorney General

Nice childish tantrum you have going on there, Kookie.

http://www.historicaircraft.org/British-Aircraft/images/AVRO-Lancaster-B111.jpg

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
|
| Because you quash any measure of doubt with every post, Okie.
|

Again, we will just have to take that as a no. You are clueless about my
logbook.

You really need to attach a music file so Mexican fiesta music plays while
reading your hat dances. It would be a real professional touch. BTW, Tex,
are you a TexMex? Just how far south in Texas do you live Pedro?

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
| ...
| > On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:22:32 GMT, Mike wrote:
| >
| >> Since when
| >
| > TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't work
| > Mikey
| >
| > SHUT THE **** UP ASSHOLE
| > --
| > Bear Bottoms
| > Private Attorney General
|
| Nice childish tantrum you have going on there, Kookie.
|
|
http://www.historicaircraft.org/British-Aircraft/images/AVRO-Lancaster-B111.jpg
|

Don't worry about him little mikey, your childish tantrums are much, much
better.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
> | ...
> | > On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:22:32 GMT, Mike wrote:
> | >
> | >> Since when
> | >
> | > TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't
> work
> | > Mikey
> | >
> | > SHUT THE **** UP ASSHOLE
> | > --
> | > Bear Bottoms
> | > Private Attorney General
> |
> | Nice childish tantrum you have going on there, Kookie.
> |
> |
> http://www.historicaircraft.org/British-Aircraft/images/AVRO-Lancaster-B111.jpg
> |
>
> Don't worry about him little mikey, your childish tantrums are much, much
> better.

Dumb and dumber strike again.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > |
> | > | Not only that one of the benefits of flying VFR is I DON'T have to
> fly
> | > | straight and level.
> | > |
> | >
> | > Sure you do dumb ass, you're just to ignorant to know it.
> | >
> | > Are you really a pilot?
> |
> | Try reading some of my messages sometime, Maxipad, and the answer will
> be
> | readily apparent. Seeing as how you're my groupie, I'm sure that won't
> be
> | hard for you. Then read a few of your own messages. Mostly what you'll
> | find are blank stares and subject matter so rudimentary Anthony wouldn't
> | even post them, but you have to go back quite a ways to even find those.
> | Then perhaps you'll understand why you're considered nothing more than a
> | wannabe. But I suspect that's why you never post ANYTHING aviation
> related
> | anymore. Better to keep your mouth shut and just make people think
> you're
> | an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt, no? The problem is that
> | makes you a troll, Maxipad, but a very special one that doesn't mind
> being
> | the NG punching bag.
> |
> | Cheers.
> |
>
> Like I said before your hat dance, little mikey. Are you really a pilot?

How could you tell one way or another, wannabe?

[Mike]

"Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:50:30 GMT, Mike wrote:
>
>> Not only
>
> TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't work
> Mikey
>
> SHUT THE **** UP ASSHOLE

http://www.historicaircraft.org/British-Aircraft/images/Airspeed-QueenWasp1.jpg

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > | "Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
| > | ...
| > | > On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:22:32 GMT, Mike wrote:
| > | >
| > | >> Since when
| > | >
| > | > TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't
| > work
| > | > Mikey
| > | >
| > | > SHUT THE **** UP ASSHOLE
| > | > --
| > | > Bear Bottoms
| > | > Private Attorney General
| > |
| > | Nice childish tantrum you have going on there, Kookie.
| > |
| > |
| >
http://www.historicaircraft.org/British-Aircraft/images/AVRO-Lancaster-B111.jpg
| > |
| >
| > Don't worry about him little mikey, your childish tantrums are much,
much
| > better.
|
| Dumb and dumber strike again.
|

Your childish tantrum is repeating it's self. Or did the other person in
there with you type this one?

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| > | ...
| > | >
| > | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > | > ...
| > | > |
| > | > | Not only that one of the benefits of flying VFR is I DON'T have to
| > fly
| > | > | straight and level.
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | > Sure you do dumb ass, you're just to ignorant to know it.
| > | >
| > | > Are you really a pilot?
| > |
| > | Try reading some of my messages sometime, Maxipad, and the answer will
| > be
| > | readily apparent. Seeing as how you're my groupie, I'm sure that
won't
| > be
| > | hard for you. Then read a few of your own messages. Mostly what
you'll
| > | find are blank stares and subject matter so rudimentary Anthony
wouldn't
| > | even post them, but you have to go back quite a ways to even find
those.
| > | Then perhaps you'll understand why you're considered nothing more than
a
| > | wannabe. But I suspect that's why you never post ANYTHING aviation
| > related
| > | anymore. Better to keep your mouth shut and just make people think
| > you're
| > | an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt, no? The problem is
that
| > | makes you a troll, Maxipad, but a very special one that doesn't mind
| > being
| > | the NG punching bag.
| > |
| > | Cheers.
| > |
| >
| > Like I said before your hat dance, little mikey. Are you really a pilot?
|
| How could you tell one way or another, wannabe?
|
|

Oh, I'm sorry. Was the question too complicated?

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
| ...
| > On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:50:30 GMT, Mike wrote:
| >
| >> Not only
| >
| > TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't work
| > Mikey
| >
| > SHUT THE **** UP ASSHOLE
|
|
http://www.historicaircraft.org/British-Aircraft/images/Airspeed-QueenWasp1.jpg
|

But at least you don't deny you're an asshole.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > | "Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
> | > | ...
> | > | > On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:22:32 GMT, Mike wrote:
> | > | >
> | > | >> Since when
> | > | >
> | > | > TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't
> | > work
> | > | > Mikey
> | > | >
> | > | > SHUT THE **** UP ASSHOLE
> | > | > --
> | > | > Bear Bottoms
> | > | > Private Attorney General
> | > |
> | > | Nice childish tantrum you have going on there, Kookie.
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> http://www.historicaircraft.org/British-Aircraft/images/AVRO-Lancaster-B111.jpg
> | > |
> | >
> | > Don't worry about him little mikey, your childish tantrums are much,
> much
> | > better.
> |
> | Dumb and dumber strike again.
> |
>
> Your childish tantrum is repeating it's self. Or did the other person in
> there with you type this one?

Projecting again, I see.

But what else can anyone expect from an anencephalic Okie? It's a small
wonder you can even function at the low levels you demonstrate.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | > | ...
> | > | >
> | > | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > | > ...
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Not only that one of the benefits of flying VFR is I DON'T have
> to
> | > fly
> | > | > | straight and level.
> | > | > |
> | > | >
> | > | > Sure you do dumb ass, you're just to ignorant to know it.
> | > | >
> | > | > Are you really a pilot?
> | > |
> | > | Try reading some of my messages sometime, Maxipad, and the answer
> will
> | > be
> | > | readily apparent. Seeing as how you're my groupie, I'm sure that
> won't
> | > be
> | > | hard for you. Then read a few of your own messages. Mostly what
> you'll
> | > | find are blank stares and subject matter so rudimentary Anthony
> wouldn't
> | > | even post them, but you have to go back quite a ways to even find
> those.
> | > | Then perhaps you'll understand why you're considered nothing more
> than
> a
> | > | wannabe. But I suspect that's why you never post ANYTHING aviation
> | > related
> | > | anymore. Better to keep your mouth shut and just make people think
> | > you're
> | > | an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt, no? The problem is
> that
> | > | makes you a troll, Maxipad, but a very special one that doesn't mind
> | > being
> | > | the NG punching bag.
> | > |
> | > | Cheers.
> | > |
> | >
> | > Like I said before your hat dance, little mikey. Are you really a
> pilot?
> |
> | How could you tell one way or another, wannabe?
> |
> |
>
> Oh, I'm sorry. Was the question too complicated?

Obviously, because you didn't answer it. Not that you could, but at least a
feeble attempt would be nice. Try harder, Okie.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
> | ...
> | > On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:50:30 GMT, Mike wrote:
> | >
> | >> Not only
> | >
> | > TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't
> work
> | > Mikey
> | >
> | > SHUT THE **** UP ASSHOLE
> |
> |
> http://www.historicaircraft.org/British-Aircraft/images/Airspeed-QueenWasp1.jpg
> |
>
> But at least you don't deny you're an asshole.

At least you haven't denied that you're an anachephalic Okie who is the
product of massive inbreeding, fetal alcohol syndrome, a failed Okie
education system, and the painful truth that you're nothing more than a
pilot wannabe with absolutely nothing constructive to offer this NG.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
|
| Projecting again, I see.
|
| But what else can anyone expect from an anencephalic Okie? It's a small
| wonder you can even function at the low levels you demonstrate.
|

I still think you should add the fiesta music, little hat dancer.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| > | ...
| > | >
| > | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > | > ...
| > | > | "Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
| > | > | ...
| > | > | > On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:22:32 GMT, Mike wrote:
| > | > | >
| > | > | >> Since when
| > | > | >
| > | > | > TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks
ddn't
| > | > work
| > | > | > Mikey
| > | > | >
| > | > | > SHUT THE **** UP ASSHOLE
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > Bear Bottoms
| > | > | > Private Attorney General
| > | > |
| > | > | Nice childish tantrum you have going on there, Kookie.
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| >
http://www.historicaircraft.org/British-Aircraft/images/AVRO-Lancaster-B111.jpg
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | > Don't worry about him little mikey, your childish tantrums are much,
| > much
| > | > better.
| > |
| > | Dumb and dumber strike again.
| > |
| >
| > Your childish tantrum is repeating it's self. Or did the other person in
| > there with you type this one?
|
| Projecting again, I see.
|
| But what else can anyone expect from an anencephalic Okie? It's a small
| wonder you can even function at the low levels you demonstrate.
|

Whatever do you mean, little mikey. It's your tantrum.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| > |
| >
| > Oh, I'm sorry. Was the question too complicated?
|
| Obviously, because you didn't answer it. Not that you could, but at least
a
| feeble attempt would be nice. Try harder, Okie.
|

But it was your question, little mikey. Try to keep up.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > | "Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
| > | ...
| > | > On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:50:30 GMT, Mike wrote:
| > | >
| > | >> Not only
| > | >
| > | > TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't
| > work
| > | > Mikey
| > | >
| > | > SHUT THE **** UP ASSHOLE
| > |
| > |
| >
http://www.historicaircraft.org/British-Aircraft/images/Airspeed-QueenWasp1.jpg
| > |
| >
| > But at least you don't deny you're an asshole.
|
| At least you haven't denied that you're an anachephalic Okie who is the
| product of massive inbreeding, fetal alcohol syndrome, a failed Okie
| education system, and the painful truth that you're nothing more than a
| pilot wannabe with absolutely nothing constructive to offer this NG.
|

Once again, you spew the content of your own limited little mind mikey. It's
crystal clear you have no clue about mine.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | > | ...
> | > | >
> | > | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > | > ...
> | > | > | "Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
> | > | > | ...
> | > | > | > On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:22:32 GMT, Mike wrote:
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >> Since when
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks
> ddn't
> | > | > work
> | > | > | > Mikey
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > SHUT THE **** UP ASSHOLE
> | > | > | > --
> | > | > | > Bear Bottoms
> | > | > | > Private Attorney General
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Nice childish tantrum you have going on there, Kookie.
> | > | > |
> | > | > |
> | > | >
> | >
> http://www.historicaircraft.org/British-Aircraft/images/AVRO-Lancaster-B111.jpg
> | > | > |
> | > | >
> | > | > Don't worry about him little mikey, your childish tantrums are
> much,
> | > much
> | > | > better.
> | > |
> | > | Dumb and dumber strike again.
> | > |
> | >
> | > Your childish tantrum is repeating it's self. Or did the other person
> in
> | > there with you type this one?
> |
> | Projecting again, I see.
> |
> | But what else can anyone expect from an anencephalic Okie? It's a small
> | wonder you can even function at the low levels you demonstrate.
> |
>
> Whatever do you mean, little mikey. It's your tantrum.

You really don't need two posts to prove your idiocy, Okie.

One is more than enough.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | > |
> | >
> | > Oh, I'm sorry. Was the question too complicated?
> |
> | Obviously, because you didn't answer it. Not that you could, but at
> least
> a
> | feeble attempt would be nice. Try harder, Okie.
> |
>
> But it was your question, little mikey. Try to keep up.

But...But...But.....

You were lost on your first post, Okie. It is quite amusing to watch you
wallow in your pool of stupidity though.

Keep up the good work.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > | "Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
> | > | ...
> | > | > On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:50:30 GMT, Mike wrote:
> | > | >
> | > | >> Not only
> | > | >
> | > | > TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't
> | > work
> | > | > Mikey
> | > | >
> | > | > SHUT THE **** UP ASSHOLE
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> http://www.historicaircraft.org/British-Aircraft/images/Airspeed-QueenWasp1.jpg
> | > |
> | >
> | > But at least you don't deny you're an asshole.
> |
> | At least you haven't denied that you're an anachephalic Okie who is the
> | product of massive inbreeding, fetal alcohol syndrome, a failed Okie
> | education system, and the painful truth that you're nothing more than a
> | pilot wannabe with absolutely nothing constructive to offer this NG.
> |
>
> Once again, you spew the content of your own limited little mind mikey.
> It's
> crystal clear you have no clue about mine.

Nor would I ever pretend to, Okie. It's much more fun to simply make fun of
anacephalic Okies like you.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| > | But what else can anyone expect from an anencephalic Okie? It's a
small
| > | wonder you can even function at the low levels you demonstrate.
| > |
| >
| > Whatever do you mean, little mikey. It's your tantrum.
|
| You really don't need two posts to prove your idiocy, Okie.
|
| One is more than enough.
|

Keep crying and dancing, little mikey. Enjoy your tantrum.

Try banging your head on the floor, you have nothing to loose.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | > Oh, I'm sorry. Was the question too complicated?
| > |
| > | Obviously, because you didn't answer it. Not that you could, but at
| > least
| > a
| > | feeble attempt would be nice. Try harder, Okie.
| > |
| >
| > But it was your question, little mikey. Try to keep up.
|
| But...But...But.....
|
| You were lost on your first post, Okie. It is quite amusing to watch you
| wallow in your pool of stupidity though.
|
| Keep up the good work.
|

You're the one hat dancing, little lamer.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| > | ...
| > | >
| > | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > | > ...
| > | > | "Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
| > | > | ...
| > | > | > On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:50:30 GMT, Mike wrote:
| > | > | >
| > | > | >> Not only
| > | > | >
| > | > | > TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks
ddn't
| > | > work
| > | > | > Mikey
| > | > | >
| > | > | > SHUT THE **** UP ASSHOLE
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| >
http://www.historicaircraft.org/British-Aircraft/images/Airspeed-QueenWasp1.jpg
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | > But at least you don't deny you're an asshole.
| > |
| > | At least you haven't denied that you're an anachephalic Okie who is
the
| > | product of massive inbreeding, fetal alcohol syndrome, a failed Okie
| > | education system, and the painful truth that you're nothing more than
a
| > | pilot wannabe with absolutely nothing constructive to offer this NG.
| > |
| >
| > Once again, you spew the content of your own limited little mind mikey.
| > It's
| > crystal clear you have no clue about mine.
|
| Nor would I ever pretend to, Okie. It's much more fun to simply make fun
of
| anacephalic Okies like you.
|

You're not making fun of anyone, little boi. It's clear you know nothing
about me.

Why must you bore us with your childish/retarded pretense.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | > | But what else can anyone expect from an anencephalic Okie? It's a
> small
> | > | wonder you can even function at the low levels you demonstrate.
> | > |
> | >
> | > Whatever do you mean, little mikey. It's your tantrum.
> |
> | You really don't need two posts to prove your idiocy, Okie.
> |
> | One is more than enough.
> |
>
> Keep crying and dancing, little mikey. Enjoy your tantrum.
>
> Try banging your head on the floor, you have nothing to loose.

....sez the expert headbanging loser.

Good thing they give you soft-headed Okies helmets, eh?

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > | > |
> | > | >
> | > | > Oh, I'm sorry. Was the question too complicated?
> | > |
> | > | Obviously, because you didn't answer it. Not that you could, but at
> | > least
> | > a
> | > | feeble attempt would be nice. Try harder, Okie.
> | > |
> | >
> | > But it was your question, little mikey. Try to keep up.
> |
> | But...But...But.....
> |
> | You were lost on your first post, Okie. It is quite amusing to watch
> you
> | wallow in your pool of stupidity though.
> |
> | Keep up the good work.
> |
>
> You're the one hat dancing, little lamer.

.....sez the anachepalic Okie.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | > | ...
> | > | >
> | > | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > | > ...
> | > | > | "Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
> | > | > | ...
> | > | > | > On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:50:30 GMT, Mike wrote:
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >> Not only
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks
> ddn't
> | > | > work
> | > | > | > Mikey
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > SHUT THE **** UP ASSHOLE
> | > | > |
> | > | > |
> | > | >
> | >
> http://www.historicaircraft.org/British-Aircraft/images/Airspeed-QueenWasp1.jpg
> | > | > |
> | > | >
> | > | > But at least you don't deny you're an asshole.
> | > |
> | > | At least you haven't denied that you're an anachephalic Okie who is
> the
> | > | product of massive inbreeding, fetal alcohol syndrome, a failed Okie
> | > | education system, and the painful truth that you're nothing more
> than
> a
> | > | pilot wannabe with absolutely nothing constructive to offer this NG.
> | > |
> | >
> | > Once again, you spew the content of your own limited little mind
> mikey.
> | > It's
> | > crystal clear you have no clue about mine.
> |
> | Nor would I ever pretend to, Okie. It's much more fun to simply make
> fun
> of
> | anacephalic Okies like you.
> |
>
> You're not making fun of anyone, little boi. It's clear you know nothing
> about me.

I know you're an anachepalic Okie wannabe pilot, Maxipad, and that's really
all I care to know about you.

> Why must you bore us with your childish/retarded pretense.

Because I like hearing from all of your multiple personalities, Okie.
You're like the retard in the park, Maxie. You know it's wrong to look, but
it's just too damn funny not to.