Fokker DVII NNAM Pensacola 1/2

[ac249]

[ac249]

[Avsec]

Again my WW1 expert has offered this comment .....

It's a replica in the markings of Vzfw Willi Gabriel of Jasta 11. More or
less, anyway - the wings should be lozenge pattern fabric. Gabriel was
credited with 11 victories, but didn't get on with the last commander of
Jagdgeschwader Nr 1, one Hauptmann Hermann Goering.



The floatplane in the background is a Thomas Morse S-5.



Cheers,



Avsec



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[ac249]

Many thanks for the updates Avsec. I'm just quoting from the official guide
book. I do like to see DVII's in lozenge markings as they look much more
realistic. The one in the RAF Museum I believe is real and that is in it I
seem to remember. It would be nice to be able to check that but the RAF
Museum website, whilst good in some ways, is absolutely awful for finding
out what they actually have on show and giving some history to the exhibits.
Trying to make you pay for a guide book perhaps as it is free to enter. Poor
show.

Having been named in the Versailles Treaty as a weapon that would have to be
surrendered, the DVII, was collected by lots of countries I guess. The NNAM
guide mentions the fact that the US Army took 142 back with them. The Navy
got six for USMC training back at Quantico and they were used until 1924. "A
further twelve versions of the aircraft, which incorporated extensive welded
steel construction, were ordered from the Army in May 1920 for experimental
and developmental work in metal construction. The Museum's example was
restored by students at Pensacola Junior College." So it doesn't actually
mention it being a replica and I wonder if it is not one of those twelve
mentioned in the blurb?
Keep the corrections and additions coming please. Every little makes us all
a tad brighter.
Cheers and trust you had a good Xmas
Mike
"Avsec" > wrote in message
...
> Again my WW1 expert has offered this comment .....
>
> It's a replica in the markings of Vzfw Willi Gabriel of Jasta 11. More or
> less, anyway - the wings should be lozenge pattern fabric. Gabriel was
> credited with 11 victories, but didn't get on with the last commander of
> Jagdgeschwader Nr 1, one Hauptmann Hermann Goering.
>
>
>
> The floatplane in the background is a Thomas Morse S-5.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Avsec
>
>
>
> "ac249" > wrote in message
> . uk...
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>

[Guybrush Threepwood[_2_]]

"ac249" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
> Many thanks for the updates Avsec. I'm just quoting from the official
> guide book. I do like to see DVII's in lozenge markings as they look much
> more realistic. The one in the RAF Museum I believe is real and that is in
> it I seem to remember. It would be nice to be able to check that but the
> RAF Museum website, whilst good in some ways, is absolutely awful for
> finding out what they actually have on show and giving some history to the
> exhibits. Trying to make you pay for a guide book perhaps as it is free to
> enter. Poor show.
>
> Having been named in the Versailles Treaty as a weapon that would have to
> be surrendered, the DVII, was collected by lots of countries I guess. The
> NNAM guide mentions the fact that the US Army took 142 back with them.
> The Navy got six for USMC training back at Quantico and they were used
> until 1924. "A further twelve versions of the aircraft, which incorporated
> extensive welded steel construction, were ordered from the Army in May
> 1920 for experimental and developmental work in metal construction. The
> Museum's example was restored by students at Pensacola Junior College." So
> it doesn't actually mention it being a replica and I wonder if it is not
> one of those twelve mentioned in the blurb?
> Keep the corrections and additions coming please. Every little makes us
> all a tad brighter.
> Cheers and trust you had a good Xmas
> Mike
> "Avsec" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Again my WW1 expert has offered this comment .....
>>
>> It's a replica in the markings of Vzfw Willi Gabriel of Jasta 11. More
>> or less, anyway - the wings should be lozenge pattern fabric. Gabriel
>> was credited with 11 victories, but didn't get on with the last commander
>> of Jagdgeschwader Nr 1, one Hauptmann Hermann Goering.
>>
>>
>>
>> The floatplane in the background is a Thomas Morse S-5.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Avsec
>>
>>
>>
>> "ac249" > wrote in message
>> . uk...
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>


Please remark that all fokker airplanes built in WW1 in Germany have a
structure based on welded tubes. There are some intersting infos here:

http://www.fokker-team-schorndorf.de/



--
Gruß Guybrush

[ac249]

Thanks for the link GT. That's a really interesting site with some great
info and pictures. I just wish it was in English but, why should it be.
Thanks
Mike
"Guybrush Threepwood" > wrote in message
...
> "ac249" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> ...
>> Many thanks for the updates Avsec. I'm just quoting from the official
>> guide book. I do like to see DVII's in lozenge markings as they look much
>> more realistic. The one in the RAF Museum I believe is real and that is
>> in it I seem to remember. It would be nice to be able to check that but
>> the RAF Museum website, whilst good in some ways, is absolutely awful for
>> finding out what they actually have on show and giving some history to
>> the exhibits. Trying to make you pay for a guide book perhaps as it is
>> free to enter. Poor show.
>>
>> Having been named in the Versailles Treaty as a weapon that would have to
>> be surrendered, the DVII, was collected by lots of countries I guess. The
>> NNAM guide mentions the fact that the US Army took 142 back with them.
>> The Navy got six for USMC training back at Quantico and they were used
>> until 1924. "A further twelve versions of the aircraft, which
>> incorporated extensive welded steel construction, were ordered from the
>> Army in May 1920 for experimental and developmental work in metal
>> construction. The Museum's example was restored by students at Pensacola
>> Junior College." So it doesn't actually mention it being a replica and I
>> wonder if it is not one of those twelve mentioned in the blurb?
>> Keep the corrections and additions coming please. Every little makes us
>> all a tad brighter.
>> Cheers and trust you had a good Xmas
>> Mike
>> "Avsec" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Again my WW1 expert has offered this comment .....
>>>
>>> It's a replica in the markings of Vzfw Willi Gabriel of Jasta 11. More
>>> or less, anyway - the wings should be lozenge pattern fabric. Gabriel
>>> was credited with 11 victories, but didn't get on with the last
>>> commander of Jagdgeschwader Nr 1, one Hauptmann Hermann Goering.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The floatplane in the background is a Thomas Morse S-5.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Avsec
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "ac249" > wrote in message
>>> . uk...
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Please remark that all fokker airplanes built in WW1 in Germany have a
> structure based on welded tubes. There are some intersting infos here:
>
> http://www.fokker-team-schorndorf.de/
>
>
>
> --
> Gruß Guybrush

[Guybrush Threepwood[_2_]]

"ac249" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
. uk...
> Thanks for the link GT. That's a really interesting site with some great
> info and pictures. I just wish it was in English but, why should it be.
> Thanks
> Mike
> "Guybrush Threepwood" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "ac249" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>> ...
>>> Many thanks for the updates Avsec. I'm just quoting from the official
>>> guide book. I do like to see DVII's in lozenge markings as they look
>>> much more realistic. The one in the RAF Museum I believe is real and
>>> that is in it I seem to remember. It would be nice to be able to check
>>> that but the RAF Museum website, whilst good in some ways, is absolutely
>>> awful for finding out what they actually have on show and giving some
>>> history to the exhibits. Trying to make you pay for a guide book perhaps
>>> as it is free to enter. Poor show.
>>>
>>> Having been named in the Versailles Treaty as a weapon that would have
>>> to be surrendered, the DVII, was collected by lots of countries I guess.
>>> The NNAM guide mentions the fact that the US Army took 142 back with
>>> them. The Navy got six for USMC training back at Quantico and they were
>>> used until 1924. "A further twelve versions of the aircraft, which
>>> incorporated extensive welded steel construction, were ordered from the
>>> Army in May 1920 for experimental and developmental work in metal
>>> construction. The Museum's example was restored by students at Pensacola
>>> Junior College." So it doesn't actually mention it being a replica and I
>>> wonder if it is not one of those twelve mentioned in the blurb?
>>> Keep the corrections and additions coming please. Every little makes us
>>> all a tad brighter.
>>> Cheers and trust you had a good Xmas
>>> Mike
>>> "Avsec" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Again my WW1 expert has offered this comment .....
>>>>
>>>> It's a replica in the markings of Vzfw Willi Gabriel of Jasta 11. More
>>>> or less, anyway - the wings should be lozenge pattern fabric. Gabriel
>>>> was credited with 11 victories, but didn't get on with the last
>>>> commander of Jagdgeschwader Nr 1, one Hauptmann Hermann Goering.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The floatplane in the background is a Thomas Morse S-5.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Avsec
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "ac249" > wrote in message
>>>> . uk...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Please remark that all fokker airplanes built in WW1 in Germany have a
>> structure based on welded tubes. There are some intersting infos here:
>>
>> http://www.fokker-team-schorndorf.de/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gruß Guybrush
>
>


There is an english version available , I thought. Isn't there an english
flag to click on?

--
Gruß Guybrush

[Andrew Chaplin]

"Guybrush Threepwood" > wrote in message
...
> "ac249" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> . uk...
>> Thanks for the link GT. That's a really interesting site with some great
>> info and pictures. I just wish it was in English but, why should it be.
>> Thanks
>> Mike
>> "Guybrush Threepwood" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "ac249" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>> ...
>>>> Many thanks for the updates Avsec. I'm just quoting from the official
>>>> guide book. I do like to see DVII's in lozenge markings as they look
>>>> much more realistic. The one in the RAF Museum I believe is real and
>>>> that is in it I seem to remember. It would be nice to be able to check
>>>> that but the RAF Museum website, whilst good in some ways, is absolutely
>>>> awful for finding out what they actually have on show and giving some
>>>> history to the exhibits. Trying to make you pay for a guide book perhaps
>>>> as it is free to enter. Poor show.
>>>>
>>>> Having been named in the Versailles Treaty as a weapon that would have
>>>> to be surrendered, the DVII, was collected by lots of countries I guess.
>>>> The NNAM guide mentions the fact that the US Army took 142 back with
>>>> them. The Navy got six for USMC training back at Quantico and they were
>>>> used until 1924. "A further twelve versions of the aircraft, which
>>>> incorporated extensive welded steel construction, were ordered from the
>>>> Army in May 1920 for experimental and developmental work in metal
>>>> construction. The Museum's example was restored by students at Pensacola
>>>> Junior College." So it doesn't actually mention it being a replica and I
>>>> wonder if it is not one of those twelve mentioned in the blurb?
>>>> Keep the corrections and additions coming please. Every little makes us
>>>> all a tad brighter.
>>>> Cheers and trust you had a good Xmas
>>>> Mike
>>>> "Avsec" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Again my WW1 expert has offered this comment .....
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a replica in the markings of Vzfw Willi Gabriel of Jasta 11. More
>>>>> or less, anyway - the wings should be lozenge pattern fabric. Gabriel
>>>>> was credited with 11 victories, but didn't get on with the last
>>>>> commander of Jagdgeschwader Nr 1, one Hauptmann Hermann Goering.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The floatplane in the background is a Thomas Morse S-5.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Avsec
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "ac249" > wrote in message
>>>>> . uk...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please remark that all fokker airplanes built in WW1 in Germany have a
>>> structure based on welded tubes. There are some intersting infos here:
>>>
>>> http://www.fokker-team-schorndorf.de/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gruß Guybrush
>>
>>
>
>
> There is an english version available , I thought. Isn't there an english
> flag to click on?

No, but there's a Union Flag (the flag of the United Kingdom of Great Britain
and Northern Ireland) centre-ish on the page that brings up the English
version of the site in a new window.
http://www.collectors-edition.de/f-t-s_titel_english.htm

Here's an English flag:



http://flagspot.net/flags/gb-eng.html
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

[Avsec]

"ac249" > wrote in message
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> Many thanks for the updates Avsec.

I have forwarded your thanks to the WW1 expert. He is not interested in a/c
unless they have been constructed with canvas and wire.

Avsec

[Avsec]

I have been corrected once again....

He is a "Great War" expert not a WW1 expert.

Out to the blackboard and write fifty times ........

Avsec

"Avsec" > wrote in message
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>
> "ac249" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Many thanks for the updates Avsec.
>
> I have forwarded your thanks to the WW1 expert. He is not interested in
> a/c unless they have been constructed with canvas and wire.
>
> Avsec
>

[ac249]

You are quite right sir. Sorry about that. Too much food and booze today I'm
afraid.
Thanks a lot. It really is a very interesting site.
Mike
"Guybrush Threepwood" > wrote in message
...
> "ac249" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> . uk...
>> Thanks for the link GT. That's a really interesting site with some great
>> info and pictures. I just wish it was in English but, why should it be.
>> Thanks
>> Mike
>> "Guybrush Threepwood" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "ac249" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>> ...
>>>> Many thanks for the updates Avsec. I'm just quoting from the official
>>>> guide book. I do like to see DVII's in lozenge markings as they look
>>>> much more realistic. The one in the RAF Museum I believe is real and
>>>> that is in it I seem to remember. It would be nice to be able to check
>>>> that but the RAF Museum website, whilst good in some ways, is
>>>> absolutely awful for finding out what they actually have on show and
>>>> giving some history to the exhibits. Trying to make you pay for a guide
>>>> book perhaps as it is free to enter. Poor show.
>>>>
>>>> Having been named in the Versailles Treaty as a weapon that would have
>>>> to be surrendered, the DVII, was collected by lots of countries I
>>>> guess. The NNAM guide mentions the fact that the US Army took 142 back
>>>> with them. The Navy got six for USMC training back at Quantico and they
>>>> were used until 1924. "A further twelve versions of the aircraft, which
>>>> incorporated extensive welded steel construction, were ordered from the
>>>> Army in May 1920 for experimental and developmental work in metal
>>>> construction. The Museum's example was restored by students at
>>>> Pensacola Junior College." So it doesn't actually mention it being a
>>>> replica and I wonder if it is not one of those twelve mentioned in the
>>>> blurb?
>>>> Keep the corrections and additions coming please. Every little makes us
>>>> all a tad brighter.
>>>> Cheers and trust you had a good Xmas
>>>> Mike
>>>> "Avsec" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Again my WW1 expert has offered this comment .....
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a replica in the markings of Vzfw Willi Gabriel of Jasta 11.
>>>>> More or less, anyway - the wings should be lozenge pattern fabric.
>>>>> Gabriel was credited with 11 victories, but didn't get on with the
>>>>> last commander of Jagdgeschwader Nr 1, one Hauptmann Hermann Goering.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The floatplane in the background is a Thomas Morse S-5.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Avsec
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "ac249" > wrote in message
>>>>> . uk...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please remark that all fokker airplanes built in WW1 in Germany have a
>>> structure based on welded tubes. There are some intersting infos here:
>>>
>>> http://www.fokker-team-schorndorf.de/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gruß Guybrush
>>
>>
>
>
> There is an english version available , I thought. Isn't there an english
> flag to click on?
>
> --
> Gruß Guybrush

[ac249]

Great War to end wars eh?

"Avsec" > wrote in message
...
>I have been corrected once again....
>
> He is a "Great War" expert not a WW1 expert.
>
> Out to the blackboard and write fifty times ........
>
> Avsec
>
> "Avsec" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "ac249" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Many thanks for the updates Avsec.
>>
>> I have forwarded your thanks to the WW1 expert. He is not interested in
>> a/c unless they have been constructed with canvas and wire.
>>
>> Avsec
>>
>
>

[Guybrush Threepwood[_2_]]

"Andrew Chaplin" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
> "Guybrush Threepwood" > wrote in message
> ...

....
>>>>
>>>> Please remark that all fokker airplanes built in WW1 in Germany have a
>>>> structure based on welded tubes. There are some intersting infos here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fokker-team-schorndorf.de/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gruß Guybrush
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> There is an english version available , I thought. Isn't there an english
>> flag to click on?
>
> No, but there's a Union Flag (the flag of the United Kingdom of Great
> Britain and Northern Ireland) centre-ish on the page that brings up the
> English version of the site in a new window.
> http://www.collectors-edition.de/f-t-s_titel_english.htm
>
> Here's an English flag:
>
>
>
> http://flagspot.net/flags/gb-eng.html
> --
> Andrew Chaplin
> SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
> (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
>
>

Yes Andrew, you are right sorry for my ignorance...:-)


--
Gruß Guybrush