LS-4 For Sale

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LS-4 FOR SALE:

1982 LS-4, ser. # 4209, N30RD, only 462.8 flight hours. NDH.
Standard category certified. Complete logs and manuals.
Blue tint canopy. Narrow panel for tall pilots.
Sage vario, Tasman, Dittel radio, -302A GPS/logger, iPaq 3950, GNII.
Rudder and horiz. tail/elevator refinished ’07.
New internal seals and external mylar seals all around.
Finish is darn near excellent with only minor crazing in a few typical
locations.
Completely wet sanded in ’03 with annual hard waxing and constant Wx/
Block.

Recently installed or replaced:

-Battery box (new battery)
-Boom mic.
-Electric wiring
-Gear struts
-Main tire and tube
-Pneumatic tubing (color coded)
-PTT switch
-Quiet vent
-Seat belts
-Seat cushions (astronaut foam)
-Sheepskin seat cover and headrest cover
-Speaker
-Tail wheel
-TEK TE probe
-Tip skids
-Tost release
-Wheel brake rebuilt
-Wing wheel

1982 Komet trailer (‘glass top), refinished ‘08, new axle/wheels/
tires, elec. brakes, LED tail lights.

This glider/trailer combo is immaculate and needs nothing. No
surprises!
$40,000 firm.
Serious inquiries contact: rcornay at gmail dot com (Georgia)

[AK]

On Feb 1, 10:54*am, wrote:
> LS-4 FOR SALE:
>
> 1982 LS-4, ser. # 4209, N30RD, only 462.8 flight hours. *NDH.
> Standard category certified. *Complete logs and manuals.
> Blue tint canopy. *Narrow panel for tall pilots.
> Sage vario, Tasman, Dittel radio, -302A GPS/logger, iPaq 3950, GNII.
> Rudder and horiz. tail/elevator refinished ’07.
> New internal seals and external mylar seals all around.
> Finish is darn near excellent with only minor crazing in a few typical
> locations.
> Completely wet sanded in ’03 with annual hard waxing and constant Wx/
> Block.
>
> Recently installed or replaced:
>
> -Battery box (new battery)
> -Boom mic.
> -Electric wiring
> -Gear struts
> -Main tire and tube
> -Pneumatic tubing (color coded)
> -PTT switch
> -Quiet vent
> -Seat belts
> -Seat cushions (astronaut foam)
> -Sheepskin seat cover and headrest cover
> -Speaker
> -Tail wheel
> -TEK TE probe
> -Tip skids
> -Tost release
> -Wheel brake rebuilt
> -Wing wheel
>
> 1982 Komet trailer (‘glass top), refinished ‘08, new axle/wheels/
> tires, elec. brakes, LED tail lights.
>
> This glider/trailer combo is immaculate and needs nothing. *No
> surprises!
> $40,000 firm.
> Serious inquiries contact: *rcornay at gmail dot com *(Georgia)

I saw this glider last year at Cordele (Region 5N). It indeed is in
perfect condition.

Ray, why are you selling your bird?

[[email protected]]

On Feb 1, 10:59*am, AK > wrote:
> On Feb 1, 10:54*am, wrote:
>
>
>
> > LS-4 FOR SALE:
>
> > 1982 LS-4, ser. # 4209, N30RD, only 462.8 flight hours. *NDH.
> > Standard category certified. *Complete logs and manuals.
> > Blue tint canopy. *Narrow panel for tall pilots.

What is the fit like in an LS-4 for a 6'2" 215 lb. pilot?

Jeff

[[email protected]]

I think the seller is taller than that. I don't see you having a
problem fitting in or being comfortable.

Charlie

> What is the fit like in an LS-4 for a 6'2" 215 lb. pilot?
>
> Jeff

[noel.wade]

On Feb 12, 10:10*am, wrote:
> On Feb 1, 10:59*am, AK > wrote:
>
> What is the fit like in an LS-4 for a 6'2" 215 lb. pilot?
>
> Jeff

Jeff -

I'm 6'1" and 210 lbs. I flew an LS-4 at Minden last year and found
the fit to be fine. LS gliders are a little narrower than some older
gliders; but the LS-3 and LS-4 cockpits are roomier than some of the
later models of LS aircraft. I found the ergonomics of the LS-4 to be
superior to the Discus/Ventus. In fact, I'd say that next to my
DG-300 I think the LS-4 had the best ergonomics out of the glider's
I've flown (which includes an SZD-55, Mini-Nimbus, Russia AC-4,
several Schweizers, Blaniks, G-103s, and more). My torso-to-leg ratio
seems to be a little different from folks; so some of these other
gliders I flew may fit folks better than they fit me - but in the end
i think the handling qualities combined with the decent ergonomics of
the LS-4 make it a great ship to own and fly.

Take care,

--Noel

[Andy[_1_]]

On Feb 12, 11:10*am, wrote:
>
> What is the fit like in an LS-4 for a 6'2" 215 lb. pilot?

No one will be able to answer that. You have to try it yourself. You
won't believe how many people insisted I would fit in an SH A series
fuselage. I do not. The big issue with tall people fitting into
sailplanes is the relationship between torso length and leg length. 2
people of the same height and weight may have completely different
ability to fit a sailplane depending on torso/leg length and also on
mass distribution.

Andy

[Frank[_1_]]

On Feb 12, 1:10*pm, wrote:
> On Feb 1, 10:59*am, AK > wrote:
>
> > On Feb 1, 10:54*am, wrote:
>
> > > LS-4 FOR SALE:
>
> > > 1982 LS-4, ser. # 4209, N30RD, only 462.8 flight hours. *NDH.
> > > Standard category certified. *Complete logs and manuals.
> > > Blue tint canopy. *Narrow panel for tall pilots.
>
> What is the fit like in an LS-4 for a 6'2" 215 lb. pilot?
>
> Jeff

I'm 6' 3", 200lbs, and I flew my LS-4 (X3) for many years. It *was* a
tight fit, but do-able. My knees were high enough in the air so the
backs of my legs weren't supported, and over time, this caused
problems. At about age 58 or so, I started noticing that I had to
stand for a few seconds beside the glider before I could walk after a
long X-C.

The very best glider for a tall person is the Ventus 2bx with the
extended nose. I have one now, and it is *wonderful* ;-)

Regards,

Frank (TA)

[Andy[_1_]]

On Feb 12, 2:00*pm, Frank > wrote:

> The very best glider for a tall person is the Ventus 2bx with the
> extended nose. *I have one now, and it is *wonderful* ;-)


Can you see the tailplane from you normal seated position, just by
turning your head?

Andy

[Greg Arnold[_2_]]

Andy wrote:
> On Feb 12, 2:00 pm, Frank > wrote:
>
>> The very best glider for a tall person is the Ventus 2bx with the
>> extended nose. I have one now, and it is *wonderful* ;-)
>
>
> Can you see the tailplane from you normal seated position, just by
> turning your head?
>
> Andy


Is there any glider that fits a tall person where you can do that?

[Frank Whiteley]

On Feb 13, 11:03*am, Greg Arnold > wrote:
> Andy wrote:
> > On Feb 12, 2:00 pm, Frank > wrote:
>
> >> The very best glider for a tall person is the Ventus 2bx with the
> >> extended nose. *I have one now, and it is *wonderful* ;-)
>
> > Can you see the tailplane from you normal seated position, just by
> > turning your head?
>
> > Andy
>
> Is there any glider that fits a tall person where you can do that?

Kestrel 19

[Andy[_1_]]

On Feb 13, 11:03*am, Greg Arnold > wrote:


> Is there any glider that fits a tall person where you can do that?

Yes - ASW 28 and probably all the single seat Schleichers since, and
including, the ASW 19. I'm 6 foot 2 inch and see the ends my
tailplane easily and check back there often.

In an SH B series fuselage I can't see much behind the wing tips and
won't fly one because I consider the lack of rear visibility to be
dangerous.

I have the seat back all the way aft but I don't have the rudder
pedals all the way forward in my 28. Pilots taller than me would fit
in it easily and still have the same rear visibility.

Andy

[Greg Arnold[_2_]]

Andy wrote:
> On Feb 13, 11:03 am, Greg Arnold > wrote:
>
>
>> Is there any glider that fits a tall person where you can do that?
>
> Yes - ASW 28 and probably all the single seat Schleichers since, and
> including, the ASW 19. I'm 6 foot 2 inch and see the ends my
> tailplane easily and check back there often.

I am 6' with a long torso and can't close the canopy on a 27 if I am
wearing a chute. I just fit if the seatback is removed.

>
> In an SH B series fuselage I can't see much behind the wing tips and
> won't fly one because I consider the lack of rear visibility to be
> dangerous.
>
> I have the seat back all the way aft but I don't have the rudder
> pedals all the way forward in my 28. Pilots taller than me would fit
> in it easily and still have the same rear visibility.
>
> Andy

[noel.wade]

This is why Glider Cockpit fitment is such a personal issue: A few
inches of torso-versus-leg length makes a HUGE difference in terms of
ergonomics (especially once you factor in different arm lengths and
the ability to reach the panel).

I've 6'1" and have got a somewhat-long torso; so first-gen Discus and
Ventus and Mini-Nimbus fuselages don't fit me well (have to lay down
all the way back so I don't have good visibility and cannot reach the
panel with my belts tight). But I fit the LS-4 OK and I fit _great_
in the DG-300 and DG-1000. *shrug*

Oh, and with my seating position in the DG-300 (my butt low and the
seat slightly forward, thanks to the air-bladder behind the back) I
can see all the way back to my horizontal tail just fine. :-) But
rear visibility (aft of the wingtips) was definitely an issue with a
lot of the glass ships in the 70's and 80's.

Take care,

--Noel

[Andy[_1_]]

On Feb 13, 1:01*pm, Greg Arnold > wrote:
> I am 6' with a long torso and can't close the canopy on a 27 if I am
> wearing a chute. *I just fit if the seatback is removed.

I thought I had a long torso with height 6 ft 2 inch and 32 inch
inside leg. What is your seated height or inside leg? I know the 27
cockpit is slightly different from the 28 but I thought it was longer
because of the narrower wing chord.

Being tall was sometimes a great asset in the days I was rock climbing
but it can be a real disadvantage for fitting in sports cars and
aircraft.

Andy

[Greg Arnold[_2_]]

Andy wrote:
> On Feb 13, 1:01 pm, Greg Arnold > wrote:
>> I am 6' with a long torso and can't close the canopy on a 27 if I am
>> wearing a chute. I just fit if the seatback is removed.
>
> I thought I had a long torso with height 6 ft 2 inch and 32 inch
> inside leg. What is your seated height or inside leg?


My inseam is just under 31", so your torso is about 1" longer than mine.
Do you have the high knee cutouts in the panel, and slide your body
way forward? Or maybe you have a really thin chute?


I know the 27
> cockpit is slightly different from the 28 but I thought it was longer
> because of the narrower wing chord.
>
> Being tall was sometimes a great asset in the days I was rock climbing
> but it can be a real disadvantage for fitting in sports cars and
> aircraft.
>
> Andy

[Bob Kuykendall]

On Feb 13, 12:15*pm, "noel.wade" > wrote:
> This is why Glider Cockpit fitment is such a personal issue: *A few
> inches of torso-versus-leg length makes a HUGE difference in terms of
> ergonomics (especially once you factor in different arm lengths and
> the ability to reach the panel).

Noel, how does Brad's HP-24 fuselage fit you? Have you tried it on?

Thanks, Bob K.

[noel.wade]

On Feb 13, 5:22*pm, Bob Kuykendall > wrote:

> Noel, how does Brad's HP-24 fuselage fit you? Have you tried it on?
>
> Thanks, Bob K.

Bob -

Pretty good. I'm wondering a bit about how much space the rudder
pedals are going to take up, and I may have to sit back a bit to get
good head clearance (I like 1/2 to 1 full inch between my hat and the
canopy) - so my rearwards visibility might be impacted a bit... But
overall it seems decently-proportioned (fits me way better than the
80's S-H ships); and the canopy dimensions / rail position gives great
visibility forward, to the sides, and down.

Take care,

--Noel

[Andy[_1_]]

On Feb 13, 3:37*pm, Greg Arnold > wrote:

> My inseam is just under 31", so your torso is about 1" longer than mine.
> * Do you have the high knee cutouts in the panel, and slide your body
> way forward? *Or maybe you have a really thin chute?

Instrument panel has the standard (for 28) high cutouts. My seating
position is such that my butt fits properly in the seat well and my
thighs are fully supported. Pedals are 1 or 2 holes from full
forward. Seat back is full aft (28 seat back has no recline adjustment
as is not modified). Strong backpack chute and factory standard seat
pad. I'm very slim build and only weigh 165 pounds so that may make a
difference.

The 28 has more room and is more comfortable for me than was my 19b.

Andy

[Brad[_2_]]

On Feb 14, 2:57*am, "noel.wade" > wrote:
> On Feb 13, 5:22*pm, Bob Kuykendall > wrote:
>
> > Noel, how does Brad's HP-24 fuselage fit you? Have you tried it on?
>
> > Thanks, Bob K.
>
> Bob -
>
> Pretty good. *I'm wondering a bit about how much space the rudder
> pedals are going to take up, and I may have to sit back a bit to get
> good head clearance (I like 1/2 to 1 full inch between my hat and the
> canopy) - so my rearwards visibility might be impacted a bit... But
> overall it seems decently-proportioned (fits me way better than the
> 80's S-H ships); and the canopy dimensions / rail position gives great
> visibility forward, to the sides, and down.
>
> Take care,
>
> --Noel

Noel,

Bob's cockpit will have lot's more room for rudder pedal travel and
foot area. I modified my canopy frame as you know, and Bob is using
the program designed canopy frame/forward hood that gives much more
foot room.

The changes I did for my airframe were beta versions only and are
designed around my ergonomics.

Cheers,
Brad

....................now, if we can all cross our fingers and hope I-80
is open for the DFA-8 trip!