Jay Honeck in AOPA Pilot

[Kingfish]

Anybody see the new issue? (with the Baron on the cover) Jay's been
recognized for his effort with ASN.

[Kobra[_8_]]

> Anybody see the new issue? (with the Baron on the cover) Jay's been
> recognized for his effort with ASN.

Saw it, but nobody's home here anymore. Where is everybody? These groups
feel like being at the beach in February.

Kobra

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Kobra" > wrote in message
...
>
>> Anybody see the new issue? (with the Baron on the cover) Jay's been
>> recognized for his effort with ASN.
>
> Saw it, but nobody's home here anymore. Where is everybody? These groups
> feel like being at the beach in February.

Now, few have remained, after MXsmanic and some trolls had open season on
****ing matches. They went to some other piloting web based group, but I
can't remember what its name is.

Seems like some can't ignore trolls, like they did back in the day of the
bass wars.

Very sad, that one addicted, unbalanced kid could cause so many good people
to leave.
--
Jim in NC

[Darkwing]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kobra" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>> Anybody see the new issue? (with the Baron on the cover) Jay's been
>>> recognized for his effort with ASN.
>>
>> Saw it, but nobody's home here anymore. Where is everybody? These
>> groups feel like being at the beach in February.
>
> Now, few have remained, after MXsmanic and some trolls had open season on
> ****ing matches. They went to some other piloting web based group, but I
> can't remember what its name is.
>
> Seems like some can't ignore trolls, like they did back in the day of the
> bass wars.
>
> Very sad, that one addicted, unbalanced kid could cause so many good
> people to leave.
> --


I think they went to americanpilot.com or something like that and the AOPA
forums. I checked them out but I have been posting on Usenet for over a
decade and well aware of the scene, trolls just go with the territory, SPAM
is the only thing that ****es me off.

[Robert Moore]

"Morgans" > wrote
> Very sad, that one addicted, unbalanced kid could cause so many good
> people to leave.

I think that you have the wrong culprit Jim.

Bob Moore

[[email protected]]

On Feb 4, 10:01*am, Kingfish > wrote:
> Anybody see the new issue? (with the Baron on the cover) Jay's been
> recognized for his effort with ASN.

I did see it and good for him to try to do his part in perpetuating
aviation... I browse these usenet groups but hardly post. The true
guys who love flying will contact me directly, the trolls will always
be trolls...


Tailwinds fellow pilots..
Ben.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Feb 4, 12:01*pm, Kingfish > wrote:
> Anybody see the new issue? (with the Baron on the cover) Jay's been
> recognized for his effort with ASN.

Yep. Been in contact with him just today using another forum venue.
He's doing good work.
Dudley Henriques

[Steve Hix]

In article
>,
Kingfish > wrote:

> Anybody see the new issue? (with the Baron on the cover) Jay's been
> recognized for his effort with ASN.

I was expecting someone taller...

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Robert Moore" > wrote in message
5.247...
> "Morgans" > wrote
>> Very sad, that one addicted, unbalanced kid could cause so many good
>> people to leave.
>
> I think that you have the wrong culprit Jim.

True.

It's 'kinda like how baitfish attract sharks, I guess. The shark does the
damage, but the baitfish is why he is there.
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Kingfish" > wrote in message
...
> Anybody see the new issue? (with the Baron on the cover) Jay's been
> recognized for his effort with ASN.

ASN?
--
Jim in NC

[Dave[_19_]]

Agreed...

I never considered Mx a problem here.

Dave




On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:46:38 GMT, Robert Moore
> wrote:

>"Morgans" > wrote
>> Very sad, that one addicted, unbalanced kid could cause so many good
>> people to leave.
>
>I think that you have the wrong culprit Jim.
>
>Bob Moore

[Mike Adams[_2_]]

"Morgans" > wrote:

> ASN?
>

AOPA's Airport Support Network.

[Ross]

Morgans wrote:
> "Kobra" > wrote in message
> ...
>>> Anybody see the new issue? (with the Baron on the cover) Jay's been
>>> recognized for his effort with ASN.
>> Saw it, but nobody's home here anymore. Where is everybody? These groups
>> feel like being at the beach in February.
>
> Now, few have remained, after MXsmanic and some trolls had open season on
> ****ing matches. They went to some other piloting web based group, but I
> can't remember what its name is.
>
> Seems like some can't ignore trolls, like they did back in the day of the
> bass wars.
>
> Very sad, that one addicted, unbalanced kid could cause so many good people
> to leave.

I saw it and very good for Jay. I am the ASN for my local airport. We
have had some issues, but not like Jay has had. Everybody had gone to
Pilots of America. I looked at it, but the format is just too much
harder than these newsgroups. It is too bad. They probably have
established themselves there and will not come back. I check here from
time to time just to see if there is anything going on.


--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP (ex-owner) Guess I better change my sig file.
KSWI

[Ross]

Morgans wrote:
> "Kingfish" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Anybody see the new issue? (with the Baron on the cover) Jay's been
>> recognized for his effort with ASN.
>
> ASN?
AOPA Airport Support Network. First line of notification of airport
problems. I provide quarterly reports on our airport. I am the ASN
volunteer here. At least I try to remember to report.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Martin Hotze[_3_]]

Dave schrieb:
> I never considered Mx a problem here.

true, it is more the idiots (sorry) answering him.

#m

[Peter Dohm]

"Ross" > wrote in message
...
> Morgans wrote:
>> "Kobra" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>> Anybody see the new issue? (with the Baron on the cover) Jay's been
>>>> recognized for his effort with ASN.
>>> Saw it, but nobody's home here anymore. Where is everybody? These
>>> groups feel like being at the beach in February.
>>
>> Now, few have remained, after MXsmanic and some trolls had open season
>> on ****ing matches. They went to some other piloting web based group,
>> but I can't remember what its name is.
>>
>> Seems like some can't ignore trolls, like they did back in the day of the
>> bass wars.
>>
>> Very sad, that one addicted, unbalanced kid could cause so many good
>> people to leave.
>
> I saw it and very good for Jay. I am the ASN for my local airport. We have
> had some issues, but not like Jay has had. Everybody had gone to Pilots of
> America. I looked at it, but the format is just too much harder than these
> newsgroups. It is too bad. They probably have established themselves there
> and will not come back. I check here from time to time just to see if
> there is anything going on.
>
> --
>
> Regards, Ross
> C-172F 180HP (ex-owner) Guess I better change my sig file.
> KSWI

I looked at POA as well and came to the same conclusion. It's unfortunate
in a way that so many find it necessary to argue with the troll, and in
another way it's a potentially fascinating case study for anyone interested
in psychology. However it has also made it easy for me to reduce the time
that I was spending on usenet--and the time that I saved is now fully
committed elsewhere.

Peter

[Ross]

Peter Dohm wrote:
> "Ross" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Morgans wrote:
>>> "Kobra" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>> Anybody see the new issue? (with the Baron on the cover) Jay's been
>>>>> recognized for his effort with ASN.
>>>> Saw it, but nobody's home here anymore. Where is everybody? These
>>>> groups feel like being at the beach in February.
>>> Now, few have remained, after MXsmanic and some trolls had open season
>>> on ****ing matches. They went to some other piloting web based group,
>>> but I can't remember what its name is.
>>>
>>> Seems like some can't ignore trolls, like they did back in the day of the
>>> bass wars.
>>>
>>> Very sad, that one addicted, unbalanced kid could cause so many good
>>> people to leave.
>> I saw it and very good for Jay. I am the ASN for my local airport. We have
>> had some issues, but not like Jay has had. Everybody had gone to Pilots of
>> America. I looked at it, but the format is just too much harder than these
>> newsgroups. It is too bad. They probably have established themselves there
>> and will not come back. I check here from time to time just to see if
>> there is anything going on.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards, Ross
>> C-172F 180HP (ex-owner) Guess I better change my sig file.
>> KSWI
>
> I looked at POA as well and came to the same conclusion. It's unfortunate
> in a way that so many find it necessary to argue with the troll, and in
> another way it's a potentially fascinating case study for anyone interested
> in psychology. However it has also made it easy for me to reduce the time
> that I was spending on usenet--and the time that I saved is now fully
> committed elsewhere.
>
> Peter
>
>
>

I could not agree more. The more I requested that everyone ignore MX and
MX's responders, it would not happen. They fed on each other. I learned
a lot here and enjoyed it muchly. Now the newsgroup is gone and I had to
sell my plane. Not in a happy place....

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Mike Adams" > wrote in message
...
> "Morgans" > wrote:
>
>> ASN?
>>
>
> AOPA's Airport Support Network.

Thanks.

How has the fight gone, at Jay's airport? I know they had some issues, at
last time I heard.
--
Jim in NC

[[email protected]]

On Feb 4, 11:56*pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
> "Kingfish" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Anybody see the new issue? (with the Baron on the cover) Jay's been
> > recognized for his effort with ASN.
>
> ASN?
> --
> Jim in NC

AOPA has a volunteer group to keep tabs on local airports and nip
stuff in the bud before they ruin the day.. I am the AOPA ASN for
Jackson Hole,Wy. Ya want to see a real mess ???? We are the only
airport in the world in a National Park, surrounded by national
forests and the area is full of tree huggers who don't work and that
live on trust funds and have all day to drink starbucks and they are
hell bent on closing down the airport. You want to see irony ???
These people will board a flight here in Jackson to fly to DC to
testify to congress with the intent to have this airport shut
down..... Unbelievable !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ben Haas.
www.haaspowerair.com

[Peter Dohm]

"Ross" > wrote in message
...
> Peter Dohm wrote:
>> "Ross" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Morgans wrote:
>>>> "Kobra" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>> Anybody see the new issue? (with the Baron on the cover) Jay's been
>>>>>> recognized for his effort with ASN.
>>>>> Saw it, but nobody's home here anymore. Where is everybody? These
>>>>> groups feel like being at the beach in February.
>>>> Now, few have remained, after MXsmanic and some trolls had open season
>>>> on ****ing matches. They went to some other piloting web based group,
>>>> but I can't remember what its name is.
>>>>
>>>> Seems like some can't ignore trolls, like they did back in the day of
>>>> the bass wars.
>>>>
>>>> Very sad, that one addicted, unbalanced kid could cause so many good
>>>> people to leave.
>>> I saw it and very good for Jay. I am the ASN for my local airport. We
>>> have had some issues, but not like Jay has had. Everybody had gone to
>>> Pilots of America. I looked at it, but the format is just too much
>>> harder than these newsgroups. It is too bad. They probably have
>>> established themselves there and will not come back. I check here from
>>> time to time just to see if there is anything going on.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards, Ross
>>> C-172F 180HP (ex-owner) Guess I better change my sig file.
>>> KSWI
>>
>> I looked at POA as well and came to the same conclusion. It's
>> unfortunate in a way that so many find it necessary to argue with the
>> troll, and in another way it's a potentially fascinating case study for
>> anyone interested in psychology. However it has also made it easy for me
>> to reduce the time that I was spending on usenet--and the time that I
>> saved is now fully committed elsewhere.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>
> I could not agree more. The more I requested that everyone ignore MX and
> MX's responders, it would not happen. They fed on each other. I learned a
> lot here and enjoyed it muchly. Now the newsgroup is gone and I had to
> sell my plane. Not in a happy place....
>
> --
>
> Regards, Ross
> C-172F 180HP
> KSWI

I'm really sorry about the plane. I also miss the good old days of the NG,
but there is much, much more to do than corresponding on usenet.

Peter

[Bob Fry]

>>>>> "Ross" == Ross > writes:
Ross> Now the newsgroup is gone and I had to sell my
Ross> plane. Not in a happy place....

You had to sell your plane because a ng disappeared??
--
The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine.
~ George Washington Administration Treaty

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> How has the fight gone, at Jay's airport? I know they had some issues, at
> last time I heard.

Boy, maybe I should check in here more often?

:-)

First off, Jim, let's put the blame squarely where it belongs: "Bertie the
Bunyip" single-handedly killed this group. MX was a minor annoyance who
could be mildly amusing, but the ever-caustic king of the trolls drove off
every good poster here.

Secondly, many of us have gone to "Pilots of America". It's a good group,
and, yes, the interface can be difficult. It's worth it, however, to be
able to discuss aviation again. (And, for those who really want to go on
political rants, there's a place there called "The Spin Zone" that can be a
lot of fun.)

ANYWAY, our airport here in Iowa City is doing fine. We're down to just two
runways now (we lost our North/South runway a couple of years ago), but our
airport advocacy group, "Friends of Iowa City Airport" (FOICA) and airport
commission have worked together to make sure that local Iowa City residents
and our city council are aware of the essential role our airport plays in
our local economy. This public relations effort is the key to keeping any
airport viable.

Thanks to these (and other) efforts, we've seen a lot of good things done,
although they were very painful in coming. Things like taxiways paved,
runways reconstructed, and hangars rehabilitated have been common-to-see
each construction season for the last several years.

Sadly, amongst all these victories have been terrible losses. We lost our
historic Boeing/United Hangar to the wrecking ball, after a 5-year battle.
We lost Rwy 18/36 virtually overnight, without warning. This summer our
airport is going to be completely, 100% closed for 3 to 4 weeks, while the
intersection of Rwy 12 and Rwy 25 is reconstructed -- an act of stupidity
that could have been avoided if only we hadn't lost our third runway.

Still, in the end we will have a terrific, completely refurbished airport
when -- just a few years ago -- our city council was trying to shut it down.
So, all in all, we've won more than we've lost. Victory is never complete,
however -- the anti-airport crowd is like the Frankenstein monster, never
*really* dead, always threatening to pop back to life at any moment.

It would be nice to come back here more often -- I really miss the
interface, and all of you guys! We'll see how well this post is met.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[a[_3_]]

On Feb 5, 10:11*pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> > How has the fight gone, at Jay's airport? *I know they had some issues, at
> > last time I heard.
>
> Boy, maybe I should check in here more often?
>
> :-)
>
> First off, Jim, let's put the blame squarely where it belongs: *"Bertie the
> Bunyip" single-handedly killed this group. *MX was a minor annoyance who
> could be mildly amusing, but the ever-caustic king of the trolls drove off
> every good poster here.
>
> Secondly, many of us have gone to "Pilots of America". *It's a good group,
> and, yes, the interface can be difficult. *It's worth it, however, to be
> able to discuss aviation again. (And, for those who really want to go on
> political rants, there's a place there called "The Spin Zone" that can be a
> lot of fun.)
>
> ANYWAY, our airport here in Iowa City is doing fine. *We're down to just two
> runways now (we lost our North/South runway a couple of years ago), but our
> airport advocacy group, "Friends of Iowa City Airport" (FOICA) and airport
> commission have worked together to make sure that local Iowa City residents
> and our city council are aware of the essential role our airport plays in
> our local economy. *This public relations effort is the key to keeping any
> airport viable.
>
> Thanks to these (and other) efforts, we've seen a lot of good things done,
> although they were very painful in coming. *Things like taxiways paved,
> runways reconstructed, and hangars rehabilitated have been common-to-see
> each construction season for the last several years.
>
> Sadly, amongst all these victories have been terrible losses. *We lost our
> historic Boeing/United Hangar to the wrecking ball, after a 5-year battle..
> We lost Rwy 18/36 virtually overnight, without warning. *This summer our
> airport is going to be completely, 100% closed for 3 to 4 weeks, while the
> intersection of Rwy 12 and Rwy 25 is reconstructed -- an act of stupidity
> that could have been avoided if only we hadn't lost our third runway.
>
> Still, in the end we will have a terrific, completely refurbished airport
> when -- just a few years ago -- our city council was trying to shut it down.
> So, all in all, we've won more than we've lost. * Victory is never complete,
> however -- the anti-airport crowd is like the Frankenstein monster, never
> *really* dead, always threatening to pop back to life at any moment.
>
> It would be nice to come back here more often -- I really miss the
> interface, and all of you guys! * We'll see how well this post is met.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Gotta ask -- how many hours has your son logged? I think 200 is the
magic number, or at least used to be, for the instrument rating. The
betting had been he'd do that before you.

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

>Gotta ask -- how many hours has your son logged? I think 200 is the
>magic number, or at least used to be, for the instrument rating. The
>betting had been he'd do that before you.

Sadly (but, as expected) he's rarely flown since Oshkosh. Being a freshman
in college, and away from home, he's way busy, all the time.

I fly with him every few months just so he can stay current, but I don't
expect he'll have any real time (or money) to devote to flying for a few
more years. Unless he pursues flying as a vocation, I doubt he'll get the
IR any time soon, if ever.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote

> Sadly (but, as expected) he's rarely flown since Oshkosh. Being a
> freshman in college, and away from home, he's way busy, all the time.
>
> I fly with him every few months just so he can stay current, but I don't
> expect he'll have any real time (or money) to devote to flying for a few
> more years. Unless he pursues flying as a vocation, I doubt he'll get the
> IR any time soon, if ever.
>
There is hope. My case in point.

My son got up to solo, when the plane broke, instructors moved on, and
college started. He had to quit, to pursue life.

6 years later, college is done, has a decent job and wife, and he has
started back, hopefully with the finances and desire to see it through. I
think he will, as anything he has decided to take on, he has done so.

Glad to hear things with the airport are not going too badly. The loss of
the hangar is a pity, as is the runway, but in these times, open (mostly) is
good!

I hope to see you at OSH this year, on my own, or with a friend who has
never been, but wants to. I may spend some time down in Vintage Land.
--
Jim in NC

[Monk]

On Feb 4, 12:01*pm, Kingfish > wrote:
> Anybody see the new issue? (with the Baron on the cover) Jay's been
> recognized for his effort with ASN.

Already congratulated him over in Hanger Talk.

[Monk]

On Feb 4, 5:28*pm, "Morgans" > wrote:

> Very sad, that one addicted, unbalanced kid could cause so many good people
> to leave.
> --
> Jim in NC


As already pointed out, he's just one of the ingredient in that soup.

[Ricky]

On Feb 4, 4:28*pm, "Morgans" > wrote:

> Very sad, that one addicted, unbalanced kid could cause so many good people
> to leave.
> --
> Jim in NC

It's my contention that nobody causes anyone to leave.
The decision for me to leave a particular usenet group (or anything
for that matter) is made only by me and I am not made to leave by
anybody. Others don't have that kind of control over me, nor do I have
control over others.
I refuse to give anybody the kind of control over me that they would
cause me to leave or do anything. I take full responsibility over my
decisions.

Ricky (who hasn't ever left a usenet group or plonked anyone in 15
years on usenet).

[Darrell[_2_]]

> > Very sad, that one addicted, unbalanced kid could cause so many good people
> > to leave.

I see 3 addicted, unbalanced kids (well, babies really) here (besides
me, of course).

An alleged airline pilot addicted to his illusion of controlling
everyone else,

A MSFS addict,

And the other addicted to only responding to the alleged addicted
airline pilot.

All 3 highly unbalanced (seriously, they reek of needing professional
help), and highly worth ignoring, lest they go away.

Darrell

[a[_3_]]

On Feb 6, 2:54*am, Darrell > wrote:
> > > Very sad, that one addicted, unbalanced kid could cause so many good people
> > > to leave.
>
> I see 3 addicted, unbalanced kids (well, babies really) here (besides
> me, of course).
>
> An alleged airline pilot addicted to his illusion of controlling
> everyone else,
>
> A MSFS addict,
>
> And the other addicted to only responding to the alleged addicted
> airline pilot.
>
> All 3 highly unbalanced (seriously, they reek of needing professional
> help), and highly worth ignoring, lest they go away.
>
> Darrell

There is the possibility, Darrell, that (to use one of the pair's
favorite phrase) at least one is a sock puppet of the other. The
styles differ but the intellectual content is identical, and they
often appear as a pair, joined at the keyboard, or hips, or elsewhere.
Probably elsewhere.

[Darkwing]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:eTNil.559481$yE1.336076@attbi_s21...
>> How has the fight gone, at Jay's airport? I know they had some issues,
>> at last time I heard.
>
> Boy, maybe I should check in here more often?
>
> :-)
>
> First off, Jim, let's put the blame squarely where it belongs: "Bertie
> the Bunyip" single-handedly killed this group. MX was a minor annoyance
> who could be mildly amusing, but the ever-caustic king of the trolls drove
> off every good poster here.
>
> Secondly, many of us have gone to "Pilots of America". It's a good group,
> and, yes, the interface can be difficult. It's worth it, however, to be
> able to discuss aviation again. (And, for those who really want to go on
> political rants, there's a place there called "The Spin Zone" that can be
> a lot of fun.)
>
> ANYWAY, our airport here in Iowa City is doing fine. We're down to just
> two runways now (we lost our North/South runway a couple of years ago),
> but our airport advocacy group, "Friends of Iowa City Airport" (FOICA) and
> airport commission have worked together to make sure that local Iowa City
> residents and our city council are aware of the essential role our airport
> plays in our local economy. This public relations effort is the key to
> keeping any airport viable.
>
> Thanks to these (and other) efforts, we've seen a lot of good things done,
> although they were very painful in coming. Things like taxiways paved,
> runways reconstructed, and hangars rehabilitated have been common-to-see
> each construction season for the last several years.
>
> Sadly, amongst all these victories have been terrible losses. We lost our
> historic Boeing/United Hangar to the wrecking ball, after a 5-year battle.
> We lost Rwy 18/36 virtually overnight, without warning. This summer our
> airport is going to be completely, 100% closed for 3 to 4 weeks, while the
> intersection of Rwy 12 and Rwy 25 is reconstructed -- an act of stupidity
> that could have been avoided if only we hadn't lost our third runway.
>
> Still, in the end we will have a terrific, completely refurbished airport
> when -- just a few years ago -- our city council was trying to shut it
> down. So, all in all, we've won more than we've lost. Victory is never
> complete, however -- the anti-airport crowd is like the Frankenstein
> monster, never *really* dead, always threatening to pop back to life at
> any moment.
>
> It would be nice to come back here more often -- I really miss the
> interface, and all of you guys! We'll see how well this post is met.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

I can't believe the city didn't seize the airport over imminent domain
considering it looked to be the only place in Iowa City that wasn't under
water last summer!

[JJ[_2_]]

Ross wrote:
It is too bad. They probably have
> established themselves there and will not come back. I check here from
> time to time just to see if there is anything going on.
>
>

Does nobody know how to use a kill file anymore?

JJ

[JJ[_2_]]

Ricky wrote:

> Ricky (who hasn't ever left a usenet group or plonked anyone in 15
> years on usenet).
>

I agree with your sentiments but I kill file the idiots very quickly and kill
threads when they get hijacked.
I just cannot understand the whining about the newsgroup being wrecked and
people flouncing off in their huffs when with one or two clicks the junk just
disappears for ever.

JJ

[JJ[_2_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> First off, Jim, let's put the blame squarely where it belongs: "Bertie
> the Bunyip" single-handedly killed this group. MX was a minor annoyance
> who could be mildly amusing, but the ever-caustic king of the trolls
> drove off every good poster here.

I do not think you would operate a plane without becoming familiar with its
controls, but you seem to think that a troll kills a group and chases people
off. Even a Microsuck product has kill file capability, learn to use it and
the K button to kill threads and you do not even see the junk.
What kills a group is people who do not learn how to filter properly and then
run off to some crappy web interface and claim the group was "ruined" by
someone else.

JJ

[JJ[_2_]]

wrote:
, surrounded by national
> forests and the area is full of tree huggers who don't work and that
> live on trust funds and have all day to drink starbucks

Any that you see with Starbucks in their hand have no idea what that company
is doing to the rainforests to try and keep their awful coffee supply at rock
bottom prices.

JJ

[Ross]

Bob Fry wrote:
>>>>>> "Ross" == Ross > writes:
> Ross> Now the newsgroup is gone and I had to sell my
> Ross> plane. Not in a happy place....
>
> You had to sell your plane because a ng disappeared??

Yes, there was just no need for the plane if I could not freely discuss
it here. :) No it was a medical issue. Can't fly due to the condition.
Take medicine that makes be fine. Medicine not approved by the FAA.
Catch 22?

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Ross]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> Gotta ask -- how many hours has your son logged? I think 200 is the
>> magic number, or at least used to be, for the instrument rating. The
>> betting had been he'd do that before you.
>
> Sadly (but, as expected) he's rarely flown since Oshkosh. Being a
> freshman in college, and away from home, he's way busy, all the time.
>
> I fly with him every few months just so he can stay current, but I don't
> expect he'll have any real time (or money) to devote to flying for a few
> more years. Unless he pursues flying as a vocation, I doubt he'll get
> the IR any time soon, if ever.

The 200 hour rule is gone now.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Ross]

JJ wrote:
> Ross wrote:
> It is too bad. They probably have
>> established themselves there and will not come back. I check here from
>> time to time just to see if there is anything going on.
>>
>>
>
> Does nobody know how to use a kill file anymore?
>
> JJ

Oh, I have the kill file set up and running.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Gig 601Xl Builder]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>
> Still, in the end we will have a terrific, completely refurbished
> airport when -- just a few years ago -- our city council was trying to
> shut it down. So, all in all, we've won more than we've lost. Victory
> is never complete, however -- the anti-airport crowd is like the
> Frankenstein monster, never *really* dead, always threatening to pop
> back to life at any moment.

Please tell me they took federal money for the at least some of the
refurbishment.

[Gezellig]

On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:02:28 -0800 (PST), wrote:

> AOPA has a volunteer group to keep tabs on local airports and nip
> stuff in the bud before they ruin the day.. I am the AOPA ASN for
> Jackson Hole,Wy. Ya want to see a real mess ???? We are the only
> airport in the world in a National Park, surrounded by national
> forests and the area is full of tree huggers who don't work and that
> live on trust funds and have all day to drink starbucks and they are
> hell bent on closing down the airport. You want to see irony ???
> These people will board a flight here in Jackson to fly to DC to
> testify to congress with the intent to have this airport shut
> down..... Unbelievable !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is the environmental premise for shutting the airport down?

[Martin Hotze[_3_]]

JJ schrieb:
> Does nobody know how to use a kill file anymore?

many use googlegroups. what do you expect?

#m

[Mike Ash]

In article >,
JJ > wrote:

> wrote:
> , surrounded by national
> > forests and the area is full of tree huggers who don't work and that
> > live on trust funds and have all day to drink starbucks
>
> Any that you see with Starbucks in their hand have no idea what that company
> is doing to the rainforests to try and keep their awful coffee supply at rock
> bottom prices.

Have you ever *been* to a Starbucks? Rock bottom prices does not
describe it.

Oh, I guess you meant the prices that *Starbucks* pays....

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

[B A R R Y[_2_]]

a wrote:
> I think 200 is the
> magic number, or at least used to be, for the instrument rating.

It's not. Far from it.

[[email protected]]

On Feb 6, 11:04*am, Gezellig > wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:02:28 -0800 (PST), wrote:
> > AOPA has a volunteer group to keep tabs on local airports and nip
> > stuff in the bud before they ruin the day.. I am the AOPA *ASN for
> > Jackson Hole,Wy. Ya want to see a real mess ???? We are the only
> > airport in the world in a National Park, surrounded by national
> > forests and the area is full of tree huggers who don't work and that
> > live on trust funds and have all day to drink starbucks and * they are
> > hell bent on closing down the airport. You want to see irony ???
> > These people will board a flight here in Jackson to fly to DC to
> > testify to congress with the intent to have this airport shut
> > down..... *Unbelievable !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> What is the environmental premise for shutting the airport down?

Noise is #1, even with the stage two ban and most current planes are
darn quiet they seem to want everything that was not here 100 years
ago banished, well except their 10,000 sq ft houses and hummers..
those seem to be ok... Friggin hipocrites.....

Ben,don't get me started, Haas

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> I hope to see you at OSH this year, on my own, or with a friend who has
> never been, but wants to. I may spend some time down in Vintage Land.

Cool! When's the last time you were there -- 2005-ish? Wasn't that the
year of the transmission?

:-)

You guys should stop by the inn for the pool party on you way to OSH. If
you want, you can camp out back for nuthin', and partake in the food and
festivities!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote
>
>> Sadly (but, as expected) he's rarely flown since Oshkosh. Being a
>> freshman in college, and away from home, he's way busy, all the time.
>>
>> I fly with him every few months just so he can stay current, but I don't
>> expect he'll have any real time (or money) to devote to flying for a few
>> more years. Unless he pursues flying as a vocation, I doubt he'll get
>> the IR any time soon, if ever.
>>
> There is hope. My case in point.
>
> My son got up to solo, when the plane broke, instructors moved on, and
> college started. He had to quit, to pursue life.
>
> 6 years later, college is done, has a decent job and wife, and he has
> started back, hopefully with the finances and desire to see it through. I
> think he will, as anything he has decided to take on, he has done so.
>
> Glad to hear things with the airport are not going too badly. The loss of
> the hangar is a pity, as is the runway, but in these times, open (mostly)
> is good!
>
> I hope to see you at OSH this year, on my own, or with a friend who has
> never been, but wants to. I may spend some time down in Vintage Land.
> --
> Jim in NC
>

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> I can't believe the city didn't seize the airport over imminent domain
> considering it looked to be the only place in Iowa City that wasn't under
> water last summer!

God almighty, don't suggest THAT out loud! It's too close to the truth...

;-)

(Of course, the city already OWNS the airport, so they don't really have to
"seize" it....)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Does nobody know how to use a kill file anymore?

Sure we do. It's just a lot more fun to be where the children aren't
allowed.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Please tell me they took federal money for the at least some of the
> refurbishment.

Hell, yes!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Morgans[_2_]]

"> Cool! When's the last time you were there -- 2005-ish? Wasn't that the
> year of the transmission?

That 'twas an expensive and not very enjoyable year. (yeck)

I have been there once since the transmission. '07, perhaps?

I didn't make it last year, 'cause my kid got married last year, on the
first weekend of August; the one that got back into flying. He was the
reason that I went the first time, by the way. I got involved in Aviation
Exploring, after he joined.

> You guys should stop by the inn for the pool party on you way to OSH. If
> you want, you can camp out back for nuthin', and partake in the food and
> festivities!

And we call our kids geographically challenged? Have you looked at a big
map? Iowa is "not quite" on the way to OSH from North Carolina, last I
looked! <g> It is already a thousand miles by road, from here to there. I
don't think my back would appreciate the extra detour, but thanks for the
invite!

So, without your son flying the 'coup, you and Mary been putting some hours
on it? How about Atlas? Been putting enough exercise on him, or saving
money and flying the big guy barely enough?
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_2_]]

> "> Cool! When's the last time you were there -- 2005-ish? Wasn't that
> the
>> year of the transmission?
>
> That 'twas an expensive and not very enjoyable year. (yeck)

A small follow-up, for those who never heard this tale.

I used my 3/4 ton 87 Chevy Van to haul about a ton of Aviation Explorer
camping gear and a large tow behind grill to OSH from NC, and on the way,
the tranny started slipping. I changed the oil and filter, and thought it
was going to be good to go. I took it for a short errand about two days
before I had to leave, and it started slipping like mad, again, and it was
obvious that I would not make it home without a new tranny.

I had to get back for the first days of school (teaching) or risk many
employment hassles, and had to have a transmission overnighted to a nearby
shop, but they could not install it in time, so I had to do it myself in the
campground. Through the fine folks at emergency aircraft repair, and the
EAA motor pool shop, I was able to get a tranny lift to reinstall it.
Still, there was a lot of jacking and blocking to do the job in a field, but
it was done, and I got home, but many dollars lighter.

To say the transmission shop saw me coming and knew what a bind I was in,
would be an understatement.

Also needless to say was that I did not get to see much at OSH that year.

What does not kill us makes us stronger, they say. I got a workout, that
year! <g>
--
Jim in NC

[a[_3_]]

On Feb 8, 3:28*am, "Morgans" > wrote:
> > "> Cool! *When's the last time you were there -- 2005-ish? * Wasn't that
> > the
> >> year of the transmission?
>
> > That 'twas an expensive and not very enjoyable year. *(yeck)
>
> A small follow-up, for those who never heard this tale.
>
> I used my 3/4 ton 87 Chevy Van to haul about a ton of *Aviation Explorer
> camping gear and a large tow behind grill to OSH from NC, and on the way,
> the tranny started slipping. *I changed the oil and filter, and thought it
> was going to be good to go. *I took it for a short errand about two days
> before I had to leave, and it started slipping like mad, again, and it was
> obvious that I would not make it home without a new tranny.
>
> I had to get back for the first days of school (teaching) or risk many
> employment hassles, and had to have a transmission overnighted to a nearby
> shop, but they could not install it in time, so I had to do it myself in the
> campground. *Through the fine folks at emergency aircraft repair, and the
> EAA motor pool shop, I was able to get a tranny lift to reinstall it.
> Still, there was a lot of jacking and blocking to do the job in a field, but
> it was done, and I got home, but many dollars lighter.
>
> To say the transmission shop saw me coming and knew what a bind I was in,
> would be an understatement.
>
> Also needless to say was that I did not get to see much at OSH that year.
>
> What does not kill us makes us stronger, they say. *I got a workout, that
> year! <g>
> --
> Jim in NC

Hauling a truck full of camping/aviation stuff for kids to OSH? That
sounds like anothe painful example of "No good deed goes unpunished".

[JJ[_2_]]

Mike Ash wrote:

> Oh, I guess you meant the prices that *Starbucks* pays....
>

That is why the words coffee supply where in the sentence :-)

And we call them Charbuicks in the industry.

JJ

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Feb 8, 2:29*pm, JJ > wrote:
> Mike Ash wrote:
> > Oh, I guess you meant the prices that *Starbucks* pays....
>
> That is why the words coffee supply where in the sentence :-)
>
> And we call them Charbuicks in the industry.
>
> JJ

Every time I go into Starbucks they try and push that damn Pikes Place
on me. I HATE that stuff! I told them I ought to be charging THEM for
Pikes Place. It's dastardly stuff!!! I do think however that the P51
might run on it just fine.
-D

[JJ[_2_]]

Dudley Henriques wrote:

> Every time I go into Starbucks they try and push that damn Pikes Place
> on me. I HATE that stuff! I told them I ought to be charging THEM for
> Pikes Place. It's dastardly stuff!!! I do think however that the P51
> might run on it just fine.
> -D

Three things to remember about charbuicks
They destroy rainforest to push for higher production of lower quality beans
and subsequently lower income for the producers.
They overroast everything so after you cover the taste up with mild products,
it is marginally palatable.
They charge more for single cup of burnt floor sweepings than I pay for a half
pound of excellent shade grown peaberry high up on a mountain.

JJ

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Feb 8, 5:45*pm, JJ > wrote:
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
> > Every time I go into Starbucks they try and push that damn Pikes Place
> > on me. I HATE that stuff! I told them I ought to be charging THEM for
> > Pikes Place. It's dastardly stuff!!! I do think however that the P51
> > might run on it just fine.
> > -D
>
> Three things to remember about charbuicks
> They destroy rainforest to push for higher production of lower quality beans
> and subsequently lower income for the producers.
> They overroast everything so after you cover the taste up with mild products,
> it is marginally palatable.
> They charge more for single cup of burnt floor sweepings than I pay for a half
> pound of excellent shade grown peaberry high up on a mountain.
>
> JJ

Four things actually; number 4 is pass them by and go to Dunkin
Donuts!!! :-))
-D

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> And we call our kids geographically challenged? Have you looked at a big
> map? Iowa is "not quite" on the way to OSH from North Carolina, last I
> looked! <g> It is already a thousand miles by road, from here to there.
> I don't think my back would appreciate the extra detour, but thanks for
> the invite!

Hey -- we have people fly in from Florida -- so why should you be any
different??

;-)

> So, without your son flying the 'coup, you and Mary been putting some
> hours on it? How about Atlas? Been putting enough exercise on him, or
> saving money and flying the big guy barely enough?

Our flying was down some last year (mostly due to our flooding and resultant
business insanity during the peak flying season), but we still managed about
150 hours last year between the two planes. We've got two partners in the
'Coupe, so Sweetie gets flown often enough. (Although only 1.2 hours in
January, thanks to horrendous weather here in Iowa...) We fly Atlas at
least weekly.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote
>
> Hey -- we have people fly in from Florida -- so why should you be any
> different??

Cause my plane has 4 wheels, and no wings. They are at the shop being
recovered, IIRC. ;-))

Glad you are still getting planes in the air!
--
Jim in NC

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in news:xHrjl.506936
$TT4.239831@attbi_s22:

>> Does nobody know how to use a kill file anymore?
>
> Sure we do. It's just a lot more fun to be where the children aren't
> allowed.

Bwawahwhahwhahw! Sweet irony



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

a > wrote in
:

> On Feb 6, 2:54*am, Darrell > wrote:
>> > > Very sad, that one addicted, unbalanced kid could cause so many
>> > > good
> people
>> > > to leave.
>>
>> I see 3 addicted, unbalanced kids (well, babies really) here (besides
>> me, of course).
>>
>> An alleged airline pilot addicted to his illusion of controlling
>> everyone else,
>>
>> A MSFS addict,
>>
>> And the other addicted to only responding to the alleged addicted
>> airline pilot.
>>
>> All 3 highly unbalanced (seriously, they reek of needing professional
>> help), and highly worth ignoring, lest they go away.
>>
>> Darrell
>
> There is the possibility, Darrell, that (to use one of the pair's
> favorite phrase) at least one is a sock puppet of the other. The
> styles differ but the intellectual content is identical, and they
> often appear as a pair, joined at the keyboard, or hips, or elsewhere.
> Probably elsewhere.
>


I see, do they now?


Hmmmm.



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

Darrell > wrote in
:

>
>> > Very sad, that one addicted, unbalanced kid could cause so many
>> > good people to leave.
>
> I see 3 addicted, unbalanced kids (well, babies really) here (besides
> me, of course).
>
> An alleged airline pilot addicted to his illusion of controlling
> everyone else,
>

Controlling? With posts in a newsgroup?

yeh, it's what i dream of.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]]

JJ > wrote in
:

> Ricky wrote:
>
>> Ricky (who hasn't ever left a usenet group or plonked anyone in 15
>> years on usenet).
>>
>
> I agree with your sentiments but I kill file the idiots very quickly
> and kill threads when they get hijacked.
> I just cannot understand the whining about the newsgroup being wrecked
> and people flouncing off in their huffs when with one or two clicks
> the junk just disappears for ever.
>
> JJ
>
>

Thenkew.

Bertie

[ah]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> a > wrote in
> :
>
>> On Feb 6, 2:54�am, Darrell > wrote:
>>> > > Very sad, that one addicted, unbalanced kid could cause so many
>>> > > good
>> people
>>> > > to leave.
>>>
>>> I see 3 addicted, unbalanced kids (well, babies really) here (besides
>>> me, of course).
>>>
>>> An alleged airline pilot addicted to his illusion of controlling
>>> everyone else,
>>>
>>> A MSFS addict,
>>>
>>> And the other addicted to only responding to the alleged addicted
>>> airline pilot.
>>>
>>> All 3 highly unbalanced (seriously, they reek of needing professional
>>> help), and highly worth ignoring, lest they go away.
>>>
>>> Darrell
>>
>> There is the possibility, Darrell, that (to use one of the pair's
>> favorite phrase) at least one is a sock puppet of the other. The
>> styles differ but the intellectual content is identical, and they
>> often appear as a pair, joined at the keyboard, or hips, or elsewhere.
>> Probably elsewhere.
>>
>
>
> I see, do they now?
>
>
> Hmmmm.
>
>
>
> Bertie

Quiet, s0ck.
--
ah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtX8nswnUKU