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Robert Buck

February 28th 09, 10:45 PM

Is anyone familiar where to find plans or kits or otherwise of the
"Swiss" canopy modification, (bigger canopy with wider base), for the
Ka-6CR? Also, same for the "Cabrio" (open cockpit), canopy's for the
CR and E? Many thanks for any assistance in finding such...our location
is in the United States, the State of Vermont.

Rob Buck

vontresc

March 1st 09, 12:25 AM

On Feb 28, 4:45*pm, Robert Buck > wrote:
> Is anyone familiar where to find plans or kits or otherwise of the
> "Swiss" canopy modification, (bigger canopy with wider base), for the
> Ka-6CR? *Also, same for the "Cabrio" (open cockpit), canopy's for the
> CR and E? *Many thanks for any assistance in finding such...our location
> is in the United States, the State of Vermont.
>
> Rob Buck
>

I own a Cr, and I was looking into the possibility of the open canopy
mod. There is a TM available from Schleicher that outlines the process
of building the open canopy. Unfortunately the TM-23 is in German.

http://www.alexander-schleicher.de/tm/06/060_TM23_D.pdf

The gist of the TM is that you build a canopy frame from the plans
(which are not available in the online version), and you need to close
off the rest of the fuselage when using the open canopy.

Peter

Neal Pfeiffer

March 1st 09, 04:02 AM

The original canopy has the wood frame that curves up and inward for a
few inches. Where the Plexiglas is attached to the base is distinctly
narrower than the bottom of the wood frame. The back curve of the
Plexiglas for the original canopy does not have any reverse curvature
when viewed from the rear and it matches the fuselage behind it.

If the Plexiglas is extended down to the bottom of the opening and a
smaller 1" frame is used, the Plexiglas will need to be reverse curved
when viewed from the rear, if the original fuselage is not to be
modified. The "Swiss" canopy on one of my Ka6BRs does not have reverse
curvature, but only because the fuselage has a fair amount of filler
behind it under the wing. This may be an anomaly, however, I think that
it is probably more the rule since reverse curvature in the lower canopy
would tend to distort the view and make the additional transparency less
useful.

So if you choose to move to a "Swiss" (oder Schweizer) canopy, you may
want to consider added fuselage modifications.

You may want to follow the classified ads on segelflug.de and search for
Ka6 canopy frames (Haube) to find one that could be converted to a
Cabrio. There have also been some Cabrio canopies advertised there in
the past year. I have considered buying one myself. I'm too busy with
my restoration projects to consider building one now.

Good Luck!

...... Neal

vontresc wrote:
> On Feb 28, 4:45 pm, Robert Buck > wrote:
>
>>Is anyone familiar where to find plans or kits or otherwise of the
>>"Swiss" canopy modification, (bigger canopy with wider base), for the
>>Ka-6CR? Also, same for the "Cabrio" (open cockpit), canopy's for the
>>CR and E? Many thanks for any assistance in finding such...our location
>>is in the United States, the State of Vermont.
>>
>>Rob Buck

>
>
> I own a Cr, and I was looking into the possibility of the open canopy
> mod. There is a TM available from Schleicher that outlines the process
> of building the open canopy. Unfortunately the TM-23 is in German.
>
> http://www.alexander-schleicher.de/tm/06/060_TM23_D.pdf
>
> The gist of the TM is that you build a canopy frame from the plans
> (which are not available in the online version), and you need to close
> off the rest of the fuselage when using the open canopy.
>
> Peter
>

[email protected]

March 1st 09, 07:37 AM

On Feb 28, 6:25*pm, vontresc > wrote:
> On Feb 28, 4:45*pm, Robert Buck > wrote:
>
> > Is anyone familiar where to find plans or kits or otherwise of the
> > "Swiss" canopy modification, (bigger canopy with wider base), for the
> > Ka-6CR? *Also, same for the "Cabrio" (open cockpit), canopy's for the
> > CR and E? *Many thanks for any assistance in finding such...our location
> > is in the United States, the State of Vermont.
>
> > Rob Buck
> >
>
> I own a Cr, and I was looking into the possibility of the open canopy
> mod. There is a TM available from Schleicher that outlines the process
> of building the open canopy. Unfortunately the TM-23 is in German.
>
> http://www.alexander-schleicher.de/tm/06/060_TM23_D.pdf
>
> The gist of the TM is that you build a canopy frame from the plans
> (which are not available in the online version), and you need to close
> off the rest of the fuselage when using the open canopy.
>
> Peter

Peter, allow me to introduce Rob Buck. Rob... Peter.

Pete, Rob is a long time friend of Burt and has flown at Marfa many
times.

Rob, I helped Peter find his K6 and recently joined him in Marfa for a
week of training and fun with Burt.

I hope you guys can help each other out with this project and I look
forward to sharing a flight, a drink, and a great evening of talk with
you sometime hopefully in Marfa but anywhere will do!

Matt Michael

vontresc

March 1st 09, 08:13 PM

On Mar 1, 1:37*am, wrote:
> On Feb 28, 6:25*pm, vontresc > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 28, 4:45*pm, Robert Buck > wrote:
>
> > > Is anyone familiar where to find plans or kits or otherwise of the
> > > "Swiss" canopy modification, (bigger canopy with wider base), for the
> > > Ka-6CR? *Also, same for the "Cabrio" (open cockpit), canopy's for the
> > > CR and E? *Many thanks for any assistance in finding such...our location
> > > is in the United States, the State of Vermont.
>
> > > Rob Buck
> > >
>
> > I own a Cr, and I was looking into the possibility of the open canopy
> > mod. There is a TM available from Schleicher that outlines the process
> > of building the open canopy. Unfortunately the TM-23 is in German.
>
> >http://www.alexander-schleicher.de/tm/06/060_TM23_D.pdf
>
> > The gist of the TM is that you build a canopy frame from the plans
> > (which are not available in the online version), and you need to close
> > off the rest of the fuselage when using the open canopy.
>
> > Peter
>
> Peter, allow me to introduce Rob Buck. *Rob... Peter.
>
> Pete, Rob is a long time friend of Burt and has flown at Marfa many
> times.
>
> Rob, I helped Peter find his K6 and recently joined him in Marfa for a
> week of training and fun with Burt.
>
> I hope you guys can help each other out with this project and I look
> forward to sharing a flight, a drink, and a great evening of talk with
> you sometime hopefully in Marfa but anywhere will do!
>
> Matt Michael

I'm starting to think Matt knows EVERYONE in soaring sometimes.

Back to the subject of Canopies. I just emembered that there is
someone on the German sailplane classifieds site is selling pars from
his wrecked Ka-6.

http://www.segelflug.de/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db_id=50925&query=retrieval

He lists his personal site, too. Unfortunately I do not read Czech,
but the pic on the Segelflug.de listing sure looks like a "Schweizer
Haube"

Pete

[email protected]

March 2nd 09, 05:52 AM

On Mar 1, 2:13*pm, vontresc > wrote:
> On Mar 1, 1:37*am, wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 28, 6:25*pm, vontresc > wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 28, 4:45*pm, Robert Buck > wrote:
>
> > > > Is anyone familiar where to find plans or kits or otherwise of the
> > > > "Swiss" canopy modification, (bigger canopy with wider base), for the
> > > > Ka-6CR? *Also, same for the "Cabrio" (open cockpit), canopy's for the
> > > > CR and E? *Many thanks for any assistance in finding such...our location
> > > > is in the United States, the State of Vermont.
>
> > > > Rob Buck
> > > >
>
> > > I own a Cr, and I was looking into the possibility of the open canopy
> > > mod. There is a TM available from Schleicher that outlines the process
> > > of building the open canopy. Unfortunately the TM-23 is in German.
>
> > >http://www.alexander-schleicher.de/tm/06/060_TM23_D.pdf
>
> > > The gist of the TM is that you build a canopy frame from the plans
> > > (which are not available in the online version), and you need to close
> > > off the rest of the fuselage when using the open canopy.
>
> > > Peter
>
> > Peter, allow me to introduce Rob Buck. *Rob... Peter.
>
> > Pete, Rob is a long time friend of Burt and has flown at Marfa many
> > times.
>
> > Rob, I helped Peter find his K6 and recently joined him in Marfa for a
> > week of training and fun with Burt.
>
> > I hope you guys can help each other out with this project and I look
> > forward to sharing a flight, a drink, and a great evening of talk with
> > you sometime hopefully in Marfa but anywhere will do!
>
> > Matt Michael
>
> I'm starting to think Matt knows EVERYONE in soaring sometimes.
>
> Back to the subject of Canopies. I just emembered that there is
> someone on the German sailplane classifieds site is selling pars from
> his wrecked Ka-6.
>
> http://www.segelflug.de/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?search_an...
>
> He lists his personal site, too. Unfortunately I do not read Czech,
> but the pic on the Segelflug.de listing sure looks like a "Schweizer
> Haube"
>
> Pete

It only seems that way because you are just starting to get to know
people and I know a couple people who DO know everyone in soaring.

It's a small and amazing community. I'm proud to be a part of it.

MM

Robert Buck

March 4th 09, 10:45 PM

At 00:25 01 March 2009, vontresc wrote:
>On Feb 28, 4:45=A0pm, Robert Buck wrote:
>> Is anyone familiar where to find plans or kits or otherwise of the
>> "Swiss" canopy modification, (bigger canopy with wider base), for
the
>> Ka-6CR? =A0Also, same for the "Cabrio" (open cockpit), canopy's for
the
>> CR and E? =A0Many thanks for any assistance in finding such...our
>locatio=
>n
>> is in the United States, the State of Vermont.
>>
>> Rob Buck
>>
>
>I own a Cr, and I was looking into the possibility of the open canopy
>mod. There is a TM available from Schleicher that outlines the process
>of building the open canopy. Unfortunately the TM-23 is in German.
>
>http://www.alexander-schleicher.de/tm/06/060_TM23_D.pdf
>
>The gist of the TM is that you build a canopy frame from the plans
>(which are not available in the online version), and you need to close
>off the rest of the fuselage when using the open canopy.
>
>Peter
>
>

Robert Buck

March 4th 09, 11:15 PM

Robert Buck

March 4th 09, 11:15 PM

At 04:02 01 March 2009, Neal Pfeiffer wrote:
>
>The original canopy has the wood frame that curves up and inward for a
>few inches. Where the Plexiglas is attached to the base is distinctly
>narrower than the bottom of the wood frame. The back curve of the
>Plexiglas for the original canopy does not have any reverse curvature
>when viewed from the rear and it matches the fuselage behind it.
>
>If the Plexiglas is extended down to the bottom of the opening and a
>smaller 1" frame is used, the Plexiglas will need to be reverse curved
>when viewed from the rear, if the original fuselage is not to be
>modified. The "Swiss" canopy on one of my Ka6BRs does not have reverse

>curvature, but only because the fuselage has a fair amount of filler
>behind it under the wing. This may be an anomaly, however, I think that

>it is probably more the rule since reverse curvature in the lower canopy

>would tend to distort the view and make the additional transparency less

>useful.
>
>So if you choose to move to a "Swiss" (oder Schweizer) canopy, you may

>want to consider added fuselage modifications.
>
>You may want to follow the classified ads on segelflug.de and search for

>Ka6 canopy frames (Haube) to find one that could be converted to a
>Cabrio. There have also been some Cabrio canopies advertised there in
>the past year. I have considered buying one myself. I'm too busy with

>my restoration projects to consider building one now.
>
>Good Luck!
>
>...... Neal

Neal...

Many thanks and will keep my eyes open. Also, saw the pix of your
restored "E"...congratulations. See you at IVSM, I hope!

Rob
>
>vontresc wrote:
>> On Feb 28, 4:45 pm, Robert Buck wrote:
>>
>>>Is anyone familiar where to find plans or kits or otherwise of the
>>>"Swiss" canopy modification, (bigger canopy with wider base), for
the
>>>Ka-6CR? Also, same for the "Cabrio" (open cockpit), canopy's for
the
>>>CR and E? Many thanks for any assistance in finding such...our
location
>>>is in the United States, the State of Vermont.
>>>
>>>Rob Buck

>>
>>
>> I own a Cr, and I was looking into the possibility of the open canopy
>> mod. There is a TM available from Schleicher that outlines the process
>> of building the open canopy. Unfortunately the TM-23 is in German.
>>
>> http://www.alexander-schleicher.de/tm/06/060_TM23_D.pdf
>>
>> The gist of the TM is that you build a canopy frame from the plans
>> (which are not available in the online version), and you need to close
>> off the rest of the fuselage when using the open canopy.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>

Robert Buck

March 4th 09, 11:30 PM

At 07:37 01 March 2009, wrote:
>On Feb 28, 6:25=A0pm, vontresc wrote:
>> On Feb 28, 4:45=A0pm, Robert Buck wrote:
>>
>> > Is anyone familiar where to find plans or kits or otherwise of the
>> > "Swiss" canopy modification, (bigger canopy with wider base), for
the
>> > Ka-6CR? =A0Also, same for the "Cabrio" (open cockpit), canopy's
for
>the
>> > CR and E? =A0Many thanks for any assistance in finding such...our
>locat=
>ion
>> > is in the United States, the State of Vermont.
>>
>> > Rob Buck
>> >
>>
>> I own a Cr, and I was looking into the possibility of the open canopy
>> mod. There is a TM available from Schleicher that outlines the process
>> of building the open canopy. Unfortunately the TM-23 is in German.
>>
>> http://www.alexander-schleicher.de/tm/06/060_TM23_D.pdf
>>
>> The gist of the TM is that you build a canopy frame from the plans
>> (which are not available in the online version), and you need to close
>> off the rest of the fuselage when using the open canopy.
>>
>> Peter
>
>Peter, allow me to introduce Rob Buck. Rob... Peter.
>
>Pete, Rob is a long time friend of Burt and has flown at Marfa many
>times.
>
>Rob, I helped Peter find his K6 and recently joined him in Marfa for a
>week of training and fun with Burt.
>
>I hope you guys can help each other out with this project and I look
>forward to sharing a flight, a drink, and a great evening of talk with
>you sometime hopefully in Marfa but anywhere will do!
>
>Matt Michael

Hi Matt...

Thanks...going to IVSM in Elmira? Appreciate your assistance. Hopefully
we'll all get together before long...can't make Marfa this year...I
think.

Rob
>

vontresc

March 5th 09, 02:55 AM

On Mar 4, 5:15*pm, Robert Buck > wrote:
> At 00:25 01 March 2009, vontresc wrote:
>
> >On Feb 28, 4:45=A0pm, Robert Buck *wrote:
> >> Is anyone familiar where to find plans or kits or otherwise of the
> >> "Swiss" canopy modification, (bigger canopy with wider base), for
> the
> >> Ka-6CR? =A0Also, same for the "Cabrio" (open cockpit), canopy's for
> the
> >> CR and E? =A0Many thanks for any assistance in finding such...our
> >locatio=
> >n
> >> is in the United States, the State of Vermont.
>
> >> Rob Buck
> >>
>
> >I own a Cr, and I was looking into the possibility of the open canopy
> >mod. There is a TM available from Schleicher that outlines the process
> >of building the open canopy. Unfortunately the TM-23 is in German.
>
> >http://www.alexander-schleicher.de/tm/06/060_TM23_D.pdf
>
> >The gist of the TM is that you build a canopy frame from the plans
> >(which are not available in the online version), and you need to close
> >off the rest of the fuselage when using the open canopy.
>
> >Peter
>
> Peter...
>
> Many thanks...looked up the TM and will see if I can find plans. *From
> Schleicher? *
>
> All the Best,
>
> Rob
>
>

I sent a note to Schleicher in Poopenhausen to see how much the full
TM/Plans would be. I'll update you guys when I hear back from them

Pete

vontresc

March 5th 09, 02:08 PM

On Mar 4, 8:55*pm, vontresc > wrote:
> On Mar 4, 5:15*pm, Robert Buck > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > At 00:25 01 March 2009, vontresc wrote:
>
> > >On Feb 28, 4:45=A0pm, Robert Buck *wrote:
> > >> Is anyone familiar where to find plans or kits or otherwise of the
> > >> "Swiss" canopy modification, (bigger canopy with wider base), for
> > the
> > >> Ka-6CR? =A0Also, same for the "Cabrio" (open cockpit), canopy's for
> > the
> > >> CR and E? =A0Many thanks for any assistance in finding such...our
> > >locatio=
> > >n
> > >> is in the United States, the State of Vermont.
>
> > >> Rob Buck
> > >>
>
> > >I own a Cr, and I was looking into the possibility of the open canopy
> > >mod. There is a TM available from Schleicher that outlines the process
> > >of building the open canopy. Unfortunately the TM-23 is in German.
>
> > >http://www.alexander-schleicher.de/tm/06/060_TM23_D.pdf
>
> > >The gist of the TM is that you build a canopy frame from the plans
> > >(which are not available in the online version), and you need to close
> > >off the rest of the fuselage when using the open canopy.
>
> > >Peter
>
> > Peter...
>
> > Many thanks...looked up the TM and will see if I can find plans. *From
> > Schleicher? *
>
> > All the Best,
>
> > Rob
>
> I sent a note to Schleicher in Poopenhausen to see how much the full
> TM/Plans would be. I'll update you guys when I hear back from them
>
> Pete- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Got a reply from Schleicher. they will send you the entire TM, and
plans to build the canopy free of charge. The TM I have is in German
(not a problem for me), and I don't know if they have an English
version.

Drop me a note, and I can email you what I have.

Peter

[email protected]

March 6th 09, 04:13 AM

> Thanks...going to IVSM in Elmira? *Appreciate your assistance. *Hopefully
> we'll all get together before long...can't make Marfa this year...I
> think. *
>
> Rob

Hey Rob,

IVSM is not out of the question. We'll see how far the economic dive
takes us. I know I'd be a fool to miss it.

Planning to make Marfa for Wave Camp but even that is questionable.
My wife and I hope to be there but she's had a possible conflict come
up. We'll see...