Re: *********A DEFENCE FOR MXMORAN***********

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On Mar 4, 10:54*am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> BeechSundowner writes:
> > Yes, you are right in the above about reaching for a switch and and
> > keeping the plane level, but there is more to it. *Your inner ear
> > balance gets messed up inside a cloud.
>
> The aircraft's avionics don't, however, and so, once you press the button,
> you're straight and level, no matter what sensations you might feel.
>
> Large airliners tend to move very sedately, also, so the sensations are far
> less noticeable.
>
> > I will keep
> > repeating, IMC in a cloud is something to be experienced. *Depending
> > on what you like (or not like), you would never look at MSFS the
> > same. *MSFS is only a 2D world once you get the opportunity to touch a
> > cloud
>
> How much IFR have you flown in MSFS?
>
> Everything outside the window in a real aircraft is 2D, except during take-off
> and landing. *Depth perception only works out to a distance of 100 feet or so.
> Everything else is flat.
>
> > Defending the use and benefits to learn what each instruments do, and
> > learning IFR procedures, I absolutey agree with you. *Defending the
> > use and learning how to fly an airplane, land an airplane on MSFX,
> > sorry, the two just don't intertwine.
>
> Knowing what the instruments do and knowing IFR procedures is a huge part of
> flying the airplane. *In fact, it's most of the job for commercial air
> transports. *Airliners are hardly ever even flown by hand, and they are never
> flown under VFR.
>
> > Nobody will learn how to land an airplane on MSFX.
>
> Some people will, but they have to start with an open mind.

I suspect many of the rated pilots here have experienced what I have:
vertigo as bad as it gets in a long flight while in the clouds. It is
a non-trivial exercise that takes training to overcome the viseral
instincts and fly by the instruments. JFK Jr is a well known example
of someone who could not unlink primal fear from primal but incorrect
action. A stationary simulator cannot teach that.

[Mxsmanic]

a writes:

> I suspect many of the rated pilots here have experienced what I have:
> vertigo as bad as it gets in a long flight while in the clouds.

Maybe, although I've read that a great deal of IFR flight actually takes place
in IMC, so even rated pilots might not get that much experience flying through
clouds. Flying through clouds has other hazards besides a lack of visibility.

> JFK Jr is a well known example
> of someone who could not unlink primal fear from primal but incorrect
> action.

JFK had issues, apparently.

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Mxsmanic > wrote:
> a writes:
>
>> I suspect many of the rated pilots here have experienced what I have:
>> vertigo as bad as it gets in a long flight while in the clouds.
>
> Maybe, although I've read that a great deal of IFR flight actually takes place
> in IMC, so even rated pilots might not get that much experience flying through
> clouds. Flying through clouds has other hazards besides a lack of visibility.

Not the slightest clue what "IMC" means.


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On Mar 4, 2:20*pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> a writes:
> > I suspect many of the rated pilots here have experienced what I have:
> > vertigo as bad as it gets in a long flight while in the clouds.
>
> Maybe, although I've read that a great deal of IFR flight actually takes place
> in IMC, so even rated pilots might not get that much experience flying through
> clouds. *Flying through clouds has other hazards besides a lack of visibility.
>
> > JFK Jr is a well known example
> > of someone who could not unlink primal fear from primal but incorrect
> > action.
>
> JFK had issues, apparently.
You simply have no real life data to support your statements. There
are requirements for recency of experience for IFR flight. I have had
quite a lot with no outside reference -- that is different than IMC --
and assert vertigo is quite real, and unless one is trained and
current, it can be life threatening.

JFK Jr had issues, he was also unrated for instruments, had plenty of
training that did not seem to help which is why he was still unrated.
It took him, it's been estimated, about 30 seconds from disconnecting
his auto pilot at something like 5,500 feet to impact. Ego greater
than skill has killed a number of pilots.

[Mxsmanic]

writes:

> Not the slightest clue what "IMC" means.

Many IR pilots know what it means, but some don't.

I should have said VMC, though; that is, a great deal of IFR flight actually
takes place in VMC, which means that many IR pilots (at least private pilots)
don't have much experience with situations in which they truly must fly by
instruments. They have just enough to get the rating, and that's it.

[Mxsmanic]

a writes:

> You simply have no real life data to support your statements.

It was rumor in this case.

[Mxsmanic]

-b- writes:

> He was not alone.
> There are many who suffer from delusions of competency.
> The results are often fatal.

The NTSB has a whole database full of them.

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Mxsmanic > wrote:
> writes:
>
>> Not the slightest clue what "IMC" means.
>
> Many IR pilots know what it means, but some don't.
>
> I should have said VMC, though; that is, a great deal of IFR flight actually
> takes place in VMC, which means that many IR pilots (at least private pilots)
> don't have much experience with situations in which they truly must fly by
> instruments. They have just enough to get the rating, and that's it.

Your are totally unaware of the currency requirements, aren't you.


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In article >,
says...
>
>
>a writes:
>
>> I suspect many of the rated pilots here have experienced what I have:
>> vertigo as bad as it gets in a long flight while in the clouds.
>
>Maybe, although I've read that a great deal of IFR flight actually takes place
>in IMC, so even rated pilots might not get that much experience flying through
>clouds. Flying through clouds has other hazards besides a lack of visibility.
>
>> JFK Jr is a well known example
>> of someone who could not unlink primal fear from primal but incorrect
>> action.
>
>JFK had issues, apparently.

He was not alone.
There are many who suffer from delusions of competency.
The results are often fatal.

[-b-]

In article >,
says...
>
>
>-b- writes:
>
>> He was not alone.
>> There are many who suffer from delusions of competency.
>> The results are often fatal.
>
>The NTSB has a whole database full of them.

Good that you have taken note.
It's a small beginning,; but you have to start somewhere.

[-b-]

In article >,
says...
>
>
writes:
>
>> Not the slightest clue what "IMC" means.
>
>Many IR pilots know what it means, but some don't.
>
>I should have said VMC, though; that is, a great deal of IFR flight actually
>takes place in VMC, which means that many IR pilots (at least private pilots)
>don't have much experience with situations in which they truly must fly by
>instruments. They have just enough to get the rating, and that's it.

Better than nothing though.
Some people talk up a storm, but have really nothing to show for it.
These are the ones who have something to prove, but become dangers for others.

[Mxsmanic]

writes:

> Your are totally unaware of the currency requirements, aren't you.

I just go by what the experts say, and a lack of practice is a serious problem
for many instrument-rated pilots. Staying current is not synonymous with
staying competent, unfortunately.

[Mxsmanic]

-b- writes:

> Better than nothing though.

That depends. It might encourage them to take on more than they can handle
when some serious IMC comes along.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> writes:
>
>> Your are totally unaware of the currency requirements, aren't you.
>
> I just go by what the experts say, and a lack of practice is a serious
> problem
> for many instrument-rated pilots. Staying current is not synonymous with
> staying competent, unfortunately.

You're right, you stay current flying your desk, but remain completely
incompetent at all else.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
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> writes:
>
>> Not the slightest clue what "IMC" means.
>
> Many IR pilots know what it means, but some don't.
>
> I should have said VMC, though; that is, a great deal of IFR flight
> actually
> takes place in VMC, which means that many IR pilots (at least private
> pilots)
> don't have much experience with situations in which they truly must fly by
> instruments. They have just enough to get the rating, and that's it.

You really are a clueless twit if you believe that.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
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> -b- writes:
>
>> Better than nothing though.
>
> That depends. It might encourage them to take on more than they can
> handle
> when some serious IMC comes along.

No it doesn't, twit. Again, you just can't understand.

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Mxsmanic > wrote:
> writes:
>
>> Your are totally unaware of the currency requirements, aren't you.
>
> I just go by what the experts say

What experts and where did they say that?

> Staying current is not synonymous with staying competent

Babble.



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On Mar 5, 11:30*am, wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote:
> > writes:
>
> >> Your are totally unaware of the currency requirements, aren't you.
>
> > I just go by what the experts say
>
> What experts and where did they say that?
>
> > Staying current is not synonymous with staying competent
>
> Babble.
>
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Would you agree this thread has become boring?

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a > wrote:
> On Mar 5, 11:30Â*am, wrote:
>> Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> > writes:
>>
>> >> Your are totally unaware of the currency requirements, aren't you.
>>
>> > I just go by what the experts say
>>
>> What experts and where did they say that?
>>
>> > Staying current is not synonymous with staying competent
>>
>> Babble.
>>
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>
> Would you agree this thread has become boring?

Oh yeah.

The amusement value is in watching MX try to change the subject as he
finds himself deeper in a hole and desperately attempts to prove he
is "correct" in all things.


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