1909 film of Wright flyer in France

[Frank[_1_]]

Excellent historical film of a 1909 demo flight by the Wright brothers
in France, including a short segment from an on-board camera.

www.europafilmtreasures.eu/PY/322/fiche_technique.htm?ID=322

Note the presence of yaw strings on the forward elevator!

Frank(TA)

[Matt[_2_]]

That's the first time I have ever seen shots from the aircraft.
Amazing,. From the elevator movement, it looks like it has very poor
pitch stability and the pilot has to be on top of it all the time.

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Frank" > wrote in message
...
> Excellent historical film of a 1909 demo flight by the Wright brothers
> in France, including a short segment from an on-board camera.
>
> www.europafilmtreasures.eu/PY/322/fiche_technique.htm?ID=322
>
> Note the presence of yaw strings on the forward elevator!
>
> Frank(TA)

I assume that this one qualifies as a "light sport aircraft"...

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[Steve Hix]

In article >,
"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk @See My Sig.com> wrote:

> "Frank" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Excellent historical film of a 1909 demo flight by the Wright brothers
> > in France, including a short segment from an on-board camera.
> >
> > www.europafilmtreasures.eu/PY/322/fiche_technique.htm?ID=322
> >
> > Note the presence of yaw strings on the forward elevator!
> >
> > Frank(TA)
>
> I assume that this one qualifies as a "light sport aircraft"...

The Wright 1909 Military Flyer weighed 740 lbs, so it fits that part of
the spec.

Since it won't go faster than the upper limits, either...

[Frank[_1_]]

On Apr 1, 11:23*am, Matt > wrote:
> That's the first time I have ever seen shots from the aircraft.
> Amazing,. *From the elevator movement, it looks like it has very poor
> pitch stability and the pilot has to be on top of it all the time.

Matt, I got the same impression. From all I have read of the Wright
flyers, that forward elevator (and the fact that its top speed and its
stall speed were so close together!) made it a real bitch to fly.
Note the full up elevator at the end of the ground run, followed
immediately by a down 'pulse' to avoid a stall.

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On Apr 1, 5:40*pm, Steve Hix > wrote:
> In article >,
> *"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk @See My Sig.com> wrote:
>
> > "Frank" > wrote in message
> ....
> > > Excellent historical film of a 1909 demo flight by the Wright brothers
> > > in France, including a short segment from an on-board camera.
>
> > >www.europafilmtreasures.eu/PY/322/fiche_technique.htm?ID=322

Thanks for the clip! Usually I only see about 10 seconds of this
film.

FYI, the location was actually in Italy. The production company was
French. The film bio lists the date as April 24 1909, which is
consistant with what I remember from the Wright notebooks. (The actual
reference is in the McFarland text, volume 2 for you Wright Brothers
wonks.) Watch for the gentleman wearing the grey suit and straw
"boater". That's Orville. Also note when he turns that he's using a
cane and leaning on it rather heavily. This film was made only a few
months after the Ft. Myers crash.

As far as I know, there aren't any flying 1909 or Model A machines.
The 1909 was an enlarged copy of the 1905, which is currently housed
at Carollion Park in Dayton. Its about 60% original, making it the
most original Wright machine in existance. There are flying
reproductions of most other Wright models including:

1878 "bat" toy helicopter - mine
1899 kite - mine, Engler, Hyde, Smith, Young, Young, Crouch, and a few
others
1900 glider - Hyde/Young, Engler
1901 glider - Hyde/Young, Engler
1902 glider - mine, Engler (2 or more), Hyde/Young, Quigley
1903 flying machine - Kellet, Hyde/Wright Brothers Experience, Young/
VA museum of Aviation, Wright Redux, Engler
1905 flying machine - Engler & one other, can't remember who built it
but its on YouTube
Model B - Smith, Hyde, Wright B Flyer
Model EX - Smith

There may be others. Its getting had to keep track anymore.

Harry Frey
Wright Brothers Enterprises

[Steve Hix]

In article
>,
wrote:

> On Apr 1, 5:40*pm, Steve Hix > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > *"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk @See My Sig.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "Frank" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > > Excellent historical film of a 1909 demo flight by the Wright brothers
> > > > in France, including a short segment from an on-board camera.
> >
> > > >www.europafilmtreasures.eu/PY/322/fiche_technique.htm?ID=322
>
> Thanks for the clip! Usually I only see about 10 seconds of this
> film.

Thank Frank for the clip, not me.

> FYI, the location was actually in Italy. The production company was
> French. The film bio lists the date as April 24 1909, which is
> consistant with what I remember from the Wright notebooks. (The actual
> reference is in the McFarland text, volume 2 for you Wright Brothers
> wonks.) Watch for the gentleman wearing the grey suit and straw
> "boater". That's Orville. Also note when he turns that he's using a
> cane and leaning on it rather heavily. This film was made only a few
> months after the Ft. Myers crash.
>
> As far as I know, there aren't any flying 1909 or Model A machines.
> The 1909 was an enlarged copy of the 1905, which is currently housed
> at Carollion Park in Dayton. Its about 60% original, making it the
> most original Wright machine in existance. There are flying
> reproductions of most other Wright models including:
>
> 1878 "bat" toy helicopter - mine
> 1899 kite - mine, Engler, Hyde, Smith, Young, Young, Crouch, and a few
> others
> 1900 glider - Hyde/Young, Engler
> 1901 glider - Hyde/Young, Engler
> 1902 glider - mine, Engler (2 or more), Hyde/Young, Quigley
> 1903 flying machine - Kellet, Hyde/Wright Brothers Experience, Young/
> VA museum of Aviation, Wright Redux, Engler
> 1905 flying machine - Engler & one other, can't remember who built it
> but its on YouTube
> Model B - Smith, Hyde, Wright B Flyer
> Model EX - Smith
>
> There may be others. Its getting had to keep track anymore.
>
> Harry Frey
> Wright Brothers Enterprises

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On Apr 2, 2:45*pm, wrote:
> On Apr 1, 5:40*pm, Steve Hix > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > *"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk @See My Sig.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Frank" > wrote in message
> > ....
> > > > Excellent historical film of a 1909 demo flight by the Wright brothers
> > > > in France, including a short segment from an on-board camera.
>
> > > >www.europafilmtreasures.eu/PY/322/fiche_technique.htm?ID=322
>
> Thanks for the clip! Usually I only see about 10 seconds of this
> film.
>
> FYI, the location was actually in Italy. The production company was
> French. The film bio lists the date as April 24 1909, which is
> consistant with what I remember from the Wright notebooks. (The actual
> reference is in the McFarland text, volume 2 for you Wright Brothers
> wonks.) Watch for the gentleman wearing the grey suit and straw
> "boater". That's Orville. Also note when he turns that he's using a
> cane and leaning on it rather heavily. This film was made only a few
> months after the Ft. Myers crash.
>
> As far as I know, there aren't any flying 1909 or Model A machines.
> The 1909 was an enlarged copy of the 1905, which is currently housed
> at Carollion Park in Dayton. Its about 60% original, making it the
> most original Wright machine in existance. There are flying
> reproductions of most other Wright models including:
>
> 1878 "bat" toy helicopter - mine
> 1899 kite - mine, Engler, Hyde, Smith, Young, Young, Crouch, and a few
> others
> 1900 glider - Hyde/Young, Engler
> 1901 glider - Hyde/Young, Engler
> 1902 glider - mine, Engler (2 or more), Hyde/Young, Quigley
> 1903 flying machine - Kellet, Hyde/Wright Brothers Experience, Young/
> VA museum of Aviation, Wright Redux, Engler
> 1905 flying machine - Engler & one other, can't remember who built it
> but its on YouTube
> Model B - Smith, Hyde, Wright B Flyer
> Model EX - Smith
>
> There may be others. Its getting had to keep track anymore.
>
> Harry Frey
> Wright Brothers Enterprises

The National Soaring Museum has replicas of the Wright glider No. 3
(1902) and No. 5 (1911).

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> The National Soaring Museum has replicas of the Wright glider No. 3
> (1902) and No. 5 (1911).- Hide quoted text -


I was only counting the ships that have flown. There are nearly a
dozen 1902 gliders in existance at this time and another under
construction in CA. There are at least two dozen 1903's.

Do you know who built the 1902 in the soaring museum?

Harry

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On Apr 6, 10:22*pm, wrote:
> > The National Soaring Museum has replicas of the Wright glider No. 3
> > (1902) and No. 5 (1911).- Hide quoted text -
>
> I was only counting the ships that have flown. There are nearly a
> dozen 1902 gliders in existance at this time and another under
> construction in CA. There are at least two dozen 1903's.
>
> Do you know who built the 1902 in the soaring museum?
>
> Harry

Both of our Wright replicas were built here at the museum by
volunteers.