Maiden flight of the Arcus

[Nick Olson[_2_]]

http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.php?id=130&L=1

One that is likely to clean up at the 20m two seat competitions!.

[Maciek]

Can anyone describe that construction? At the first look it's just a
Duo-Discus...

cheers
Maciek K.

[kestrel19]

On Apr 8, 10:50*am, "Maciek" > wrote:
> Can anyone describe that construction? At the first look it's just a
> Duo-Discus...
>
> cheers
> Maciek K.

flapped

[Tuno]

Think of it as a Duo-Ventus.

[Papa3]

On Apr 8, 1:21*pm, Tuno > wrote:
> Think of it as a Duo-Ventus.

Ich mochte ein bitte!

[[email protected]]

On Apr 8, 4:08*pm, Papa3 > wrote:
> On Apr 8, 1:21*pm, Tuno > wrote:
>
> > Think of it as a Duo-Ventus.
>
> Ich mochte ein bitte!

You talk funny!
UH

[Bruce]

Tuno wrote:
> Think of it as a Duo-Ventus.
Close but no.

The wing is totally new, the fuselage is similar to XL (new - longer
fuselage Duo/Nimbus fuselage) However - it can be equipped with an
electric self launcher so is structurally somewhat different...

So more of a two seater Antares really.

Bruce

[Paul Remde]

I suppose it is a matter of personal preference, but the Arcus sure looks
sweet to me!

Paul Remde

"Nick Olson" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.php?id=130&L=1
>
> One that is likely to clean up at the 20m two seat competitions!.

[rlovinggood]

How soon till we see something similar from DG/LS? Will it be the DG
2000?

Can't wait to see these beauties (Arcus and other newbies surely to
follow) on an airfield and in the sky soon!


Ray Lovinggood
Carrboro, North Carolina, USA

[Maciek]

> The wing is totally new,

Actually, it doesn't look a "totally new" to me. I believe it's flapped as
kestrell19 said, so it propably has a little different airfoil, at least at
the flapped part, but the wing shape still looks the same, multi-trapezoidal
wing, as in DUO.

> the fuselage is similar to XL (new - longer fuselage Duo/Nimbus fuselage)
> However - it can be equipped with an electric self launcher so is
> structurally somewhat different...

And that's a good point. Looks like the electric propulsion becomes a new
trend for powered sailplanes, and I think it is going to stay there for
much longer than the little jets. But still, couldn't they just give DUO the
battery, leaving the DUO name (same fuselage, maybe the elevator...)?
Perhaps, when they show some more specific technical info and more detailed
pictures, I will change my mind.

Maciek

[Gavin Short[_2_]]

At 17:50 10 April 2009, Maciek wrote:
>
>> The wing is totally new,
>
>Actually, it doesn't look a "totally new" to me. I believe it's
flapped as
>
>kestrell19 said, so it propably has a little different airfoil, at least
>at
>the flapped part, but the wing shape still looks the same,
>multi-trapezoidal
>wing, as in DUO.
>
>> the fuselage is similar to XL (new - longer fuselage Duo/Nimbus
>fuselage)
>> However - it can be equipped with an electric self launcher so is
>> structurally somewhat different...
>
>And that's a good point. Looks like the electric propulsion becomes a
new
>trend for powered sailplanes, and I think it is going to stay there for

>much longer than the little jets. But still, couldn't they just give
DUO
>the
>battery, leaving the DUO name (same fuselage, maybe the elevator...)?
>Perhaps, when they show some more specific technical info and more
>detailed
>pictures, I will change my mind.
>
>Maciek
>
>

for more details

http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.php?id=126&L=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=300&tx_ttnews[backPid]=130&cHash=067f525889

or in German

http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.php?id=126&L=0&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=299&tx_ttnews[backPid]=130&cHash=6fbda7cbde

The Brochure

http://www.schempp-hirth.com/fileadmin/Pdfs/intern_pdf/2009/Arcus-Aero09-E_web.pdf

and more photos

http://www.planeur.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=479&Itemid=1

The wing certainly looks different to me. I have just compared it with
several photos I have of DUOs.

Gavin

[Darryl Ramm]

On Apr 10, 11:30*am, Gavin Short > wrote:
> At 17:50 10 April 2009, Maciek wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> The wing is totally new,
>
> >Actually, it doesn't look a "totally new" to me. I believe it's
> flapped as
>
> >kestrell19 said, so it propably has a little different airfoil, at least
> >at
> >the flapped part, but the wing shape still looks the same,
> >multi-trapezoidal
> >wing, as in DUO.
>
> >> the fuselage is similar to XL (new - longer fuselage Duo/Nimbus
> >fuselage)
> >> However - it can be equipped with an electric self launcher so is
> >> structurally somewhat different...
>
> >And that's a good point. Looks like the electric propulsion becomes a
> new
> >trend for powered sailplanes, and I think it *is going to stay there for
> >much longer than the little jets. But still, couldn't they just give
> DUO
> >the
> >battery, leaving the DUO name (same fuselage, maybe the elevator...)?
> >Perhaps, when they show some more specific technical info and more
> >detailed
> >pictures, I will change my mind.
>
> >Maciek
>
> for more details
>
> http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.php?id=126&L=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=300&tx_ttnews[backPid]=130&cHash=067f525889
>
> or in German
>
> http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.php?id=126&L=0&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=299&tx_ttnews[backPid]=130&cHash=6fbda7cbde
>
> The Brochure
>
> http://www.schempp-hirth.com/fileadmin/Pdfs/intern_pdf/2009/Arcus-Aer...
>
> and more photos
>
> http://www.planeur.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=479&...
>
> The wing certainly looks different to me. *I have just compared it with
> several photos I have of DUOs.
>
> Gavin

I overlaid the marketing illustrations from Schempp-Hirth for the Duo
Discus XL and Arcus, you can see them at http://www.darrylramm.com.

Darryl

[Dave Nadler]

On Apr 10, 10:47*pm, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
> On Apr 10, 11:30*am, Gavin Short > wrote:
>
>
>
> > At 17:50 10 April 2009, Maciek wrote:
>
> > >> The wing is totally new,
>
> > >Actually, it doesn't look a "totally new" to me. I believe it's
> > flapped as
>
> > >kestrell19 said, so it propably has a little different airfoil, at least
> > >at
> > >the flapped part, but the wing shape still looks the same,
> > >multi-trapezoidal
> > >wing, as in DUO.
>
> > >> the fuselage is similar to XL (new - longer fuselage Duo/Nimbus
> > >fuselage)
> > >> However - it can be equipped with an electric self launcher so is
> > >> structurally somewhat different...
>
> > >And that's a good point. Looks like the electric propulsion becomes a
> > new
> > >trend for powered sailplanes, and I think it *is going to stay there for
> > >much longer than the little jets. But still, couldn't they just give
> > DUO
> > >the
> > >battery, leaving the DUO name (same fuselage, maybe the elevator...)?
> > >Perhaps, when they show some more specific technical info and more
> > >detailed
> > >pictures, I will change my mind.
>
> > >Maciek
>
> > for more details
>
> >http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.php?id=126&L=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=300&tx_ttnews[backPid]=130&cHash=067f525889
>
> > or in German
>
> >http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.php?id=126&L=0&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=299&tx_ttnews[backPid]=130&cHash=6fbda7cbde
>
> > The Brochure
>
> >http://www.schempp-hirth.com/fileadmin/Pdfs/intern_pdf/2009/Arcus-Aer...
>
> > and more photos
>
> >http://www.planeur.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=479&...
>
> > The wing certainly looks different to me. *I have just compared it with
> > several photos I have of DUOs.
>
> > Gavin
>
> I overlaid the marketing illustrations from Schempp-Hirth for the Duo
> Discus XL and Arcus, you can see them athttp://www.darrylramm.com.
>
> Darryl

Nicely Done ! The wing is in fact very different, but the fuselage
is Duo XL with minor mods. There was a lot of interest in the electric
Arcus at Aero.

Let me know when you're ready to get an Antares 20E,
for real rather than just in Silent Wings simulator ;-)

See ya, Dave "YO electric"

[Darryl Ramm]

On Apr 12, 12:33*pm, Dave Nadler > wrote:
> On Apr 10, 10:47*pm, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 11:30*am, Gavin Short > wrote:
>
> > > At 17:50 10 April 2009, Maciek wrote:
>
> > > >> The wing is totally new,
>
> > > >Actually, it doesn't look a "totally new" to me. I believe it's
> > > flapped as
>
> > > >kestrell19 said, so it propably has a little different airfoil, at least
> > > >at
> > > >the flapped part, but the wing shape still looks the same,
> > > >multi-trapezoidal
> > > >wing, as in DUO.
>
> > > >> the fuselage is similar to XL (new - longer fuselage Duo/Nimbus
> > > >fuselage)
> > > >> However - it can be equipped with an electric self launcher so is
> > > >> structurally somewhat different...
>
> > > >And that's a good point. Looks like the electric propulsion becomes a
> > > new
> > > >trend for powered sailplanes, and I think it *is going to stay there for
> > > >much longer than the little jets. But still, couldn't they just give
> > > DUO
> > > >the
> > > >battery, leaving the DUO name (same fuselage, maybe the elevator...)?
> > > >Perhaps, when they show some more specific technical info and more
> > > >detailed
> > > >pictures, I will change my mind.
>
> > > >Maciek
>
> > > for more details
>
> > >http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.php?id=126&L=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=300&tx_ttnews[backPid]=130&cHash=067f525889
>
> > > or in German
>
> > >http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.php?id=126&L=0&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=299&tx_ttnews[backPid]=130&cHash=6fbda7cbde
>
> > > The Brochure
>
> > >http://www.schempp-hirth.com/fileadmin/Pdfs/intern_pdf/2009/Arcus-Aer....
>
> > > and more photos
>
> > >http://www.planeur.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=479&...
>
> > > The wing certainly looks different to me. *I have just compared it with
> > > several photos I have of DUOs.
>
> > > Gavin
>
> > I overlaid the marketing illustrations from Schempp-Hirth for the Duo
> > Discus XL and Arcus, you can see them athttp://www.darrylramm.com.
>
> > Darryl
>
> Nicely Done ! *The wing is in fact very different, but the fuselage
> is Duo XL with minor mods. There was a lot of interest in the electric
> Arcus at Aero.
>
> Let me know when you're ready to get an Antares 20E,
> for real rather than just in Silent Wings simulator ;-)
>
> See ya, Dave "YO electric"

Dave

Actually I *touched* a real Antares 20E on the weekend (then carefully
wiped my fingerprints off with a virgin microfibre towel spritzed with
pH neutral distilled water, only rubbing gently in one direction, no
circular motion, ...).

Very impressive engineering and construction quality everywhere I
looked. I keep offering to test fly it for Larry...

Darryl

[Nick Olson[_2_]]

Wonder if Schleicher will ever be motivated to produce a 20m two seater?

[Maciek]

>
>I overlaid the marketing illustrations from Schempp-Hirth for the Duo
>Discus XL and Arcus, you can see them at http://www.darrylramm.com.

Nice job!
Now they really look different on theese pictures. Quite interresting shape,
by the way.

Maciek K.

[Andreas Maurer]

On 13 Apr 2009 08:15:03 GMT, Nick Olson >
wrote:

> Wonder if Schleicher will ever be motivated to produce a 20m two seater?

Shall we bet that they are earning lots of real good money with
ASK-21's? ;)

[Darryl Ramm]

On Apr 13, 4:14*pm, Andreas Maurer > wrote:
> On 13 Apr 2009 08:15:03 GMT, Nick Olson >
> wrote:
>
> > Wonder if Schleicher will ever be motivated to produce a 20m two seater?
>
> Shall we bet that they are earning lots of real good money with
> ASK-21's? ;)

And I'll bet they are losing a lot of good money from people who do
initial training in an ASK-21 then end up in a Duo Discus or DG-1000S
and then maybe find their way back to a Schleicher single seater. If I
was Schleicher I'd be wanting to not give students/new pilots such a
chance to sample competing vendors products. But they can only do so
much and the ASH-25, ASH-26E, ASW-27, ASG-29, were not exactly
failures in the market.

Darryl

[Bruce Hoult]

On Apr 14, 11:14*am, Andreas Maurer > wrote:
> On 13 Apr 2009 08:15:03 GMT, Nick Olson >
> wrote:
>
> > Wonder if Schleicher will ever be motivated to produce a 20m two seater?
>
> Shall we bet that they are earning lots of real good money with
> ASK-21's? ;)

Are they still?

Our club wanted to replace our pair of aging Grob Twin Astir's (the
original, retractable one) several years ago. We looked at the ASK-21
but the DG1000 Club was near enough to the same price and also like
the ASK-21 unlimited aerobatics and suitable for basic training, but
with 20 years newer technology, low 40's L/D rather than mid 30's
(upgradable to 20m and mid-40's L/D if we ever wish to). And, unlike
the ASK-21, they spin like real gliders.

We've had two season's of students now do their first solos in the
DG1000's. I believe everyone is very happy and they are everything we
hoped for.

[Andreas Maurer]

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:44:20 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Hoult
> wrote:


>Are they still?

Yes.
Typically "exotic" gliders tend to be sold in significant numbers
outside Germany - but there are very, very few clubs in Europe who are
replacing their aging ASK-13s with something different than an ASK-21.

> And, unlike
>the ASK-21, they spin like real gliders.

.... which still is, inmy opinion, something that makes it unsuitable
as a first solo gider.;)

>
>We've had two season's of students now do their first solos in the
>DG1000's. I believe everyone is very happy and they are everything we
>hoped for.

Great!

[Nick Olson[_2_]]

I wonder how many clubs have BOTH an ASK-21 and a Duo Discus/DG1000/505?
Obviously Schleicher have their reasons -but you'd think there was (would
have been?) a market for a 20m two seater to sit betweenthe k-21 and
ash25/30.
Obviously schempp-hirth think there's a market for 2 20m ships in their
line up

[Martin Gregorie[_4_]]

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:30:04 +0000, Nick Olson wrote:

> I wonder how many clubs have BOTH an ASK-21 and a Duo Discus/DG1000/505?
>
The Scottish Gliding Union at Portmoak for one - 2 x ASK21 and a DG-505.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[John Smith]

Andreas Maurer wrote:

> outside Germany - but there are very, very few clubs in Europe who are
> replacing their aging ASK-13s with something different than an ASK-21.

Maybe, but the main reason for this is brain inertia.

>> And, unlike
>> the ASK-21, they spin like real gliders.

> ... which still is, inmy opinion, something that makes it unsuitable
> as a first solo gider.;)

But they were happy with the 13? Can I see some contradiction?

Personally, I think the DG 1000 makes a *great* primary trainer. And
hold your breath: We even do primary training in the 20m-configuration!
And of course we spin it before the first solo.

For primary aerobatics training however, the ASK is better, because it's
less slippery. But who can afford a whole two seater just for primary
aerobatics trainig?

[Andreas Maurer]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:57:47 +0200, John Smith
> wrote:


>> outside Germany - but there are very, very few clubs in Europe who are
>> replacing their aging ASK-13s with something different than an ASK-21.
>
>Maybe, but the main reason for this is brain inertia.

:)
The main reason is not brain inertia - the main reason is that an
ASK-21 has proven for decades to be an excellent basic trainer.


>> ... which still is, inmy opinion, something that makes it unsuitable
>> as a first solo gider.;)
>
>But they were happy with the 13? Can I see some contradiction?

The 13 was the best basic trainer of its generation... despite its
ability to spin. In my opinion the inability to spin an ASK-21 removes
a major danger for student pilots (although soin training is still
necessary).


>Personally, I think the DG 1000 makes a *great* primary trainer. And
>hold your breath: We even do primary training in the 20m-configuration!
>And of course we spin it before the first solo.

Well... first of all, the DG-1000 is a lot more expensive than an
ASK-21. Second, in Europe the basic trainer is usually used all the
time by student pilots... and these don'*t need the better L/D of a
DG-1000. Most clubs offer a 20m double seater these days anyway.


>For primary aerobatics training however, the ASK is better, because it's
>less slippery. But who can afford a whole two seater just for primary
>aerobatics trainig?

Only very few clubs use their 21s for aerobatic training.

[Pawnee Pilot]

On Apr 15, 3:30*am, Nick Olson > wrote:
> *I wonder how many clubs have BOTH an ASK-21 and a Duo Discus/DG1000/505?
> Obviously Schleicher have their reasons -but you'd think there was (would
> have been?) a market for a 20m two seater to sit betweenthe k-21 and
> ash25/30.
> Obviously schempp-hirth think there's a market for 2 20m ships in their
> line up *

Southern Cross Gliding Club in Sydney has both a K21 and A DG1000S. We
bought the 21 after the 1000.

[Derek Copeland[_2_]]

My club still uses K13s for most of the basic training, because it is still
the best all round trainer. It will drop wings and spin if you stall it,
just like many single seaters that students will fly later on in their
gliding careers.

The fact that a K21 won't spin makes it unsuitable as a basic trainer
IMHO. Most of the clubs that use them usually have a K13 or a Puchacz
tucked away somewhere for spin training. If you teach people to fly in
trainers that are highly spin resistant, you are just storing up problems
for the future.

We also have a couple of DG1000s which are lovely to fly, have good
performance and will do everything that the training manual requires. BUT
they are very difficult to get in and out of without a step ladder, have a
very complicated ballasting system, and spin rather too well, losing height
like a piano falling off a roof. I wouldn't fancy my chances of recovering
from a spin at circuit height in one without hitting the deck. Generally
you need a high aerotow for the spinning exercises in the DG, whereas you
can do them off a winch launch in the K13 .

Derek Copeland


At 09:40 14 April 2009, Andreas Maurer wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:44:20 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Hoult
> wrote:
>
>
>>Are they still?
>
>Yes.
>Typically "exotic" gliders tend to be sold in significant numbers
>outside Germany - but there are very, very few clubs in Europe who are
>replacing their aging ASK-13s with something different than an ASK-21.
>
>> And, unlike
>>the ASK-21, they spin like real gliders.
>
>.... which still is, inmy opinion, something that makes it unsuitable
>as a first solo gider.;)
>
>>
>>We've had two season's of students now do their first solos in the
>>DG1000's. I believe everyone is very happy and they are everything we
>>hoped for.
>
>Great!
>

[Bruce Hoult]

On Apr 17, 12:09*pm, Andreas Maurer > wrote:
> Well... first of all, the DG-1000 is a lot more expensive than an ASK-21.

No it isn't.

A quick google shows the ASK21 around 64,100 EUR. I couldn't
immediately find a current price for the DG1000 Club, but ours were
somewhere around 70k EUR.

[Andreas Maurer]

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:52:50 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Hoult
> wrote:

>On Apr 17, 12:09*pm, Andreas Maurer > wrote:
>> Well... first of all, the DG-1000 is a lot more expensive than an ASK-21.
>
>No it isn't.
>
>A quick google shows the ASK21 around 64,100 EUR. I couldn't
>immediately find a current price for the DG1000 Club, but ours were
>somewhere around 70k EUR.

That's extremel cheap - the numbers I had for the DG-1000 are a quite
different. :)

Bye
Andreas

[[email protected][_2_]]

> The 13 was the best basic trainer of its generation... despite its
> ability to spin. In my opinion the inability to spin an ASK-21 removes
> a major danger for student pilots (although soin training is still
> necessary).

Oddly, our club (St Louis Soaring Association) has a sweet little
K-13, bought new way back when, that is placarded "INTENTIONAL SPINS
PROHIBITED" - and that limit is specifically stated in the original
FAA airworthiness certificate (despite no prohibitions on spinning in
the flight manual).

Good thing K-13s can't read english...

Kirk
66

[Bruce Hoult]

On Apr 18, 1:44*am, Andreas Maurer > wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:52:50 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Hoult
>
> > wrote:
> >On Apr 17, 12:09*pm, Andreas Maurer > wrote:
> >> Well... first of all, the DG-1000 is a lot more expensive than an ASK-21.
>
> >No it isn't.
>
> >A quick google shows the ASK21 around 64,100 EUR. *I couldn't
> >immediately find a current price for the DG1000 Club, but ours were
> >somewhere around 70k EUR.
>
> That's extremel cheap - the numbers I had for the DG-1000 are a quite
> different. :)

Don't forget that there are several different models of DG1000. The
"club" is a lot cheaper than the "s". Of course it is also missing 2m
of wing, retractable undercarriage (but also no stepladder needed),
water and no doubt a few other things I can't think of right now.

[Dave Nadler]

On Apr 12, 11:39*pm, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
> On Apr 12, 12:33*pm, Dave Nadler > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 10:47*pm, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 10, 11:30*am, Gavin Short > wrote:
>
> > > > At 17:50 10 April 2009, Maciek wrote:
>
> > > > >> The wing is totally new,
>
> > > > >Actually, it doesn't look a "totally new" to me. I believe it's
> > > > flapped as
>
> > > > >kestrell19 said, so it propably has a little different airfoil, at least
> > > > >at
> > > > >the flapped part, but the wing shape still looks the same,
> > > > >multi-trapezoidal
> > > > >wing, as in DUO.
>
> > > > >> the fuselage is similar to XL (new - longer fuselage Duo/Nimbus
> > > > >fuselage)
> > > > >> However - it can be equipped with an electric self launcher so is
> > > > >> structurally somewhat different...
>
> > > > >And that's a good point. Looks like the electric propulsion becomes a
> > > > new
> > > > >trend for powered sailplanes, and I think it *is going to stay there for
> > > > >much longer than the little jets. But still, couldn't they just give
> > > > DUO
> > > > >the
> > > > >battery, leaving the DUO name (same fuselage, maybe the elevator....)?
> > > > >Perhaps, when they show some more specific technical info and more
> > > > >detailed
> > > > >pictures, I will change my mind.
>
> > > > >Maciek
>
> > > > for more details
>
> > > >http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.php?id=126&L=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=300&tx_ttnews[backPid]=130&cHash=067f525889
>
> > > > or in German
>
> > > >http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.php?id=126&L=0&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=299&tx_ttnews[backPid]=130&cHash=6fbda7cbde
>
> > > > The Brochure
>
> > > >http://www.schempp-hirth.com/fileadmin/Pdfs/intern_pdf/2009/Arcus-Aer...
>
> > > > and more photos
>
> > > >http://www.planeur.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=479&...
>
> > > > The wing certainly looks different to me. *I have just compared it with
> > > > several photos I have of DUOs.
>
> > > > Gavin
>
> > > I overlaid the marketing illustrations from Schempp-Hirth for the Duo
> > > Discus XL and Arcus, you can see them athttp://www.darrylramm.com.
>
> > > Darryl
>
> > Nicely Done ! *The wing is in fact very different, but the fuselage
> > is Duo XL with minor mods. There was a lot of interest in the electric
> > Arcus at Aero.
>
> > Let me know when you're ready to get an Antares 20E,
> > for real rather than just in Silent Wings simulator ;-)
>
> > See ya, Dave "YO electric"
>
> Dave
>
> Actually I *touched* a real Antares 20E on the weekend (then carefully
> wiped my fingerprints off with a virgin microfibre towel spritzed with
> pH neutral distilled water, only rubbing gently in one direction, no
> circular motion, ...).

Hopefully chord-wise !

> Very impressive engineering and construction quality everywhere I
> looked.

And its so inside even where you can't see...

> I keep offering to test fly it for Larry...

Larry had one helluva grin after flying it the first time Thursday !
Did you see him fly it over the weekend ?

> Darryl

See ya, Dave "YO electric"