Yenc

[John Crawford]

Do you have to flood the group with this crap

--
John Crawford


Edmonton Alberta

For every action there is an equal
and opposite government program

[hielan' laddie]

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:12:55 -0400, John Crawford wrote
(in article >):

> Do you have to flood the group with this crap
>
>

Yes.

[heavyhorses]

"John Crawford" > wrote in message
...
> Do you have to flood the group with this crap
>
> --
> John Crawford
>
>
> Edmonton Alberta
>
> For every action there is an equal
> and opposite government program

Just regard them as being a bit dim and remember to drop a few coins in the
charity box so they will looked after :-)

[hielan' laddie]

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 03:49:10 -0400, heavyhorses wrote
(in article >):

>
> "John Crawford" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Do you have to flood the group with this crap
>>
>> --
>> John Crawford
>>
>>
>> Edmonton Alberta
>>
>> For every action there is an equal
>> and opposite government program
>
> Just regard them as being a bit dim and remember to drop a few coins in the
> charity box so they will looked after :-)
>
>

Ah. Another MSOE/MS Mail user heard from. Pity about your crippled
newsreader...

[Clairbear]

"John Crawford" > wrote in news:cZ3Il.65112$LA7.36474
@newsfe20.iad:

> Do you have to flood the group with this crap
>

John yenc is not a problem if you use a news reader like xnews

[Fabio]

The problem is not only Yenc! And Yenc is a problem because I do not want to
add a yenc reader on my already overcrowded old PC. But that is my problem.
When somebody floods the group with a lot of pictures in most of the cases
not more than one half of the pieces show on my PC. There are always some
parts missing and it is impossible for me to open the damn things with
whatsoever software. I lose this way many pics and who posted them, for me
to see them, wasted his time. Thanks to Mitch and all those who continue to
post simple Jpg etc. I lost all of Br'er Rabid
and most of J3 >
So is up to you.
ciao
Fabio



"Clairbear" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
> "John Crawford" > wrote in news:cZ3Il.65112$LA7.36474
> @newsfe20.iad:
>
>> Do you have to flood the group with this crap
>>
>
> John yenc is not a problem if you use a news reader like xnews
>

[Br'er Rabid[_2_]]

"Fabio" > wrote in
:

> The problem is not only Yenc! And Yenc is a problem because I do not

(snip)

Fabio, I have never posted anything in any group
using yEncoding. If you missed these pictures I
posted in the last 24 hours, it had to be because
they were multi-part files. I did not reduce them
down to a smaller jpg size.

Just a suggestion here... but you've seen the little
wars about yEnc/MSOE. One thing that I haven't seen
argued is that MSOE is also a big fat memory hog.

It is.

You might consider uninstalling MSOE completely.

My guess is that you use an email service that is
not dependant on MSOE (e.g. Hotmail). Make a back
up of your system, then un-ass MSOE (and a few
others MicroSoft-related, which escape me at the
moment). Then use smaller, independent programs.
Most are *tiny* in size compared to MSOE.
They are also more memory-thrifty. They will cure
the common MSOE ills encountered in usenet.

The learning curve on most are smaller compared to
MSOE. Try 'em out! Ask questions. You'll save room
on your harddrive, conserve memory, maybe get more
life out of your current computer and be much
happier.

The disclaimer is that there *are* people who have
been able to utilize MSOE without any problems, I
just don't know any of them. I like my little XNews
program mainly because I'm an old-time command-line
guy... But anyone can use it however they wish.

I'm NOT anti-MicroSoft. I'm running this computer on
Vista. BUT... I do HATE MS-Word. I'm still using the
word processor which does stuff the way I want to do
it, rather than the other way around.

By the way, I've enjoyed (and snagged) your posts.
Thanks

[Br'er Rabid[_2_]]

"Br'er Rabid" > wrote in
6.82:

> "Fabio" > wrote in
> :
>
>> The problem is not only Yenc! And Yenc is a problem because I do not
>
> (snip)
>

Fabio,

I keep forgetting to include in arguments,
the MAJOR reason to get rid of MSOE.

FINALLY I remembered it!

One thing about MSOE that makes it *the*
program to NOT have on your computer...

How many viruses, trojans, etc. are designed
to attack MSOE? I have no clue, but I would
bet that in the last 5 years, 70% of all of
the junk the ****heads write is aimed directly
at that great big bulls-eye on your computer...
the program called MSOE.

Br'er Rabid

[Fabio]

Thanks for suggestions. For different reasons (provider, terms of contract
for the ADSL connection etc) I am not supposed to change MSOE and my PC is
over crowded with SW. I know you posted multi part files and for me that
it's the problem. Of your last batch I got just half or less. For instance
: of your Assorted Militaria (read the Zero file) - File 33 of 37 -
AG-Fighter__47.rar (01/94) out of 94 I got only 40 bit and pieces.
It is not your fault. I'm sorry I am missing so many beautiful pictures.
That's all folks
thanks again
ciao
Fabio


"Br'er Rabid" > ha scritto nel messaggio
6.82...
> "Fabio" > wrote in
> :
>
>> The problem is not only Yenc! And Yenc is a problem because I do not
>
> (snip)
>
> Fabio, I have never posted anything in any group
> using yEncoding. If you missed these pictures I
> posted in the last 24 hours, it had to be because
> they were multi-part files. I did not reduce them
> down to a smaller jpg size.
>
> Just a suggestion here... but you've seen the little
> wars about yEnc/MSOE. One thing that I haven't seen
> argued is that MSOE is also a big fat memory hog.
>
> It is.
>
> You might consider uninstalling MSOE completely.
>
> My guess is that you use an email service that is
> not dependant on MSOE (e.g. Hotmail). Make a back
> up of your system, then un-ass MSOE (and a few
> others MicroSoft-related, which escape me at the
> moment). Then use smaller, independent programs.
> Most are *tiny* in size compared to MSOE.
> They are also more memory-thrifty. They will cure
> the common MSOE ills encountered in usenet.
>
> The learning curve on most are smaller compared to
> MSOE. Try 'em out! Ask questions. You'll save room
> on your harddrive, conserve memory, maybe get more
> life out of your current computer and be much
> happier.
>
> The disclaimer is that there *are* people who have
> been able to utilize MSOE without any problems, I
> just don't know any of them. I like my little XNews
> program mainly because I'm an old-time command-line
> guy... But anyone can use it however they wish.
>
> I'm NOT anti-MicroSoft. I'm running this computer on
> Vista. BUT... I do HATE MS-Word. I'm still using the
> word processor which does stuff the way I want to do
> it, rather than the other way around.
>
> By the way, I've enjoyed (and snagged) your posts.
> Thanks
>

[Clairbear]

"Fabio" > wrote in
:

> The problem is not only Yenc! And Yenc is a problem because I do not
> want to add a yenc reader on my already overcrowded old PC. But that
> is my problem. When somebody floods the group with a lot of pictures
> in most of the cases not more than one half of the pieces show on my
> PC. There are always some parts missing and it is impossible for me to
> open the damn things with whatsoever software. I lose this way many
> pics and who posted them, for me to see them, wasted his time. Thanks
> to Mitch and all those who continue to post simple Jpg etc. I lost
> all of Br'er Rabid and most of J3
> > So is up to you.
> ciao
> Fabio
>
>
>
> "Clairbear" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> ...
>> "John Crawford" > wrote in news:cZ3Il.65112$LA7.36474
>> @newsfe20.iad:
>>
>>> Do you have to flood the group with this crap
>>>
>>
>> John yenc is not a problem if you use a news reader like xnews
>>
>
>

Simple solution get another HD I use multiple external drives to store
every thing

[Fabio]

That's a pretty good solution. Thanks for the advice.
I've still some lay-out problems I'm trying to overcome thou. I know there
are drives of all sizes and for all pockets.
ciao
Fabio
"Clairbear" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
> "Fabio" > wrote in
> :
>
>> The problem is not only Yenc! And Yenc is a problem because I do not
>> want to add a yenc reader on my already overcrowded old PC. But that
>> is my problem. When somebody floods the group with a lot of pictures
>> in most of the cases not more than one half of the pieces show on my
>> PC. There are always some parts missing and it is impossible for me to
>> open the damn things with whatsoever software. I lose this way many
>> pics and who posted them, for me to see them, wasted his time. Thanks
>> to Mitch and all those who continue to post simple Jpg etc. I lost
>> all of Br'er Rabid and most of J3
>> > So is up to you.
>> ciao
>> Fabio
>>
>>
>>
>> "Clairbear" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> ...
>>> "John Crawford" > wrote in news:cZ3Il.65112$LA7.36474
>>> @newsfe20.iad:
>>>
>>>> Do you have to flood the group with this crap
>>>>
>>>
>>> John yenc is not a problem if you use a news reader like xnews
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Simple solution get another HD I use multiple external drives to store
> every thing
>

[Elmo von Thud]

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:12:55 -0600, "John Crawford" >
wrote:

>Do you have to flood the group with this crap

The best solution to this problem for you would be to go back to
sleep.

Elmo

[Herman]

"Elmo von Thud" > schreef in bericht
...
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:12:55 -0600, "John Crawford" >
> wrote:
>
>>Do you have to flood the group with this crap
>
> The best solution to this problem for you would be to go back to
> sleep.
>
> Elmo

The best solution really is for the nerds to stop flooding NG's with encoded
crap.
Just post pictures, thank you very much.

Regards,
Herman

[Lee[_2_]]

Sj > wrote in
:

> On Fri, 1 May 2009 00:30:50 +0200, "Herman"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Elmo von Thud" > schreef in bericht
...
>>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:12:55 -0600, "John Crawford"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Do you have to flood the group with this crap
>>>
>>> The best solution to this problem for you would be to go back to
>>> sleep.
>>>
>>> Elmo
>>
>>The best solution really is for the nerds to stop flooding NG's with
>>encoded crap.
>>Just post pictures, thank you very much.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Herman
>
> Well, seems you have to have some
> sort of 'encoded crap' (your words ;-)
>
> MIME, UUencode, yEenc ... which
> would you like?
>
> My news reader handles all 3 ...
>
> Seamlessly, at that :)
>
> Course, you could always stay away
> from the binary ngs ...
>
> Sj,


Herman, your problem is easily noted your header:

"Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512"
"MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579"

MSOE is NOT a newsreader. And MicroSoft doesn't care.
Of course this has been falling on deaf ears in here for ages.
Count me as one of the happy few who has NEVER used MSOE.
Without MSOE, my virus software doesn't get much of a workout.

(Herman, that means that over the past several years, at least
75% of various iterations of viruii/malware has been designed
to attack MSOE)

A five minute fix to most newsgroup problems has been offered,
but this one group, out of over 85,000 that I have, refuse to
move out of the 80's and at least into the 90's.
Amazing stridency.

[hielan' laddie]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:30:50 -0400, Herman wrote
(in article e.nl>):

>
> "Elmo von Thud" > schreef in bericht
> ...
>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:12:55 -0600, "John Crawford" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you have to flood the group with this crap
>>
>> The best solution to this problem for you would be to go back to
>> sleep.
>>
>> Elmo
>
> The best solution really is for the nerds to stop flooding NG's with encoded
> crap.

All pix are 'encoded crap', USENET runs as text-only. Any binary _must_ be
encoded to be posted to USENET. Your problems include the fact that MSOE does
not handle certain types of encoding.

You may:

1 get an add-on for MSOE which can handle that encoding

2 get a real newsreader, which can handle that encoding

3 avoid downloading files encoded with methods you can't decode

4 bitch and moan.

If you pick 1 or 2, you will get the pix. If you pick 3, you will avoid
downloading something you cannot use. If you pick 4, I will get to laugh at
you.

Pleas pick 4.

> Just post pictures, thank you very much.

All pix posted _are_ encoded in some way, you ignoramus.

And you don't get to say how other people post. If you don't like the post,
don't download it, or better yet, apply your killfile... oops, MSOE is
severely lacking in filtering ability, too. Sucks to be you...

[John Crawford]

Doesnt work to well with Vista

--
John Crawford


Edmonton Alberta

For every action there is an equal
and opposite government program

[Elmo von Thud]

On Fri, 1 May 2009 00:30:50 +0200, "Herman"
> wrote:

>
>"Elmo von Thud" > schreef in bericht
...
>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:12:55 -0600, "John Crawford" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Do you have to flood the group with this crap
>>
>> The best solution to this problem for you would be to go back to
>> sleep.
>>
>> Elmo
>
>The best solution really is for the nerds to stop flooding NG's with encoded
>crap.
>Just post pictures, thank you very much.

When you become the undisputed owner and big boss of this news group,
you can make such demands on others. Until then, pleasant dreams
Herman.

Elmo

[Herman]

"Elmo von Thud" > schreef in bericht
...
> On Fri, 1 May 2009 00:30:50 +0200, "Herman"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Elmo von Thud" > schreef in bericht
...
>>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:12:55 -0600, "John Crawford" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Do you have to flood the group with this crap
>>>
>>> The best solution to this problem for you would be to go back to
>>> sleep.
>>>
>>> Elmo
>>
>>The best solution really is for the nerds to stop flooding NG's with
>>encoded
>>crap.
>>Just post pictures, thank you very much.
>
> When you become the undisputed owner and big boss of this news group,
> you can make such demands on others. Until then, pleasant dreams
> Herman.
>
> Elmo

<<PLONK>>

[hielan' laddie]

On Tue, 5 May 2009 14:38:50 -0400, Herman wrote
(in article e.nl>):

>
> "Elmo von Thud" > schreef in bericht
> ...
>> On Fri, 1 May 2009 00:30:50 +0200, "Herman"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Elmo von Thud" > schreef in bericht
>>> ...
>>>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:12:55 -0600, "John Crawford" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you have to flood the group with this crap
>>>>
>>>> The best solution to this problem for you would be to go back to
>>>> sleep.
>>>>
>>>> Elmo
>>>
>>> The best solution really is for the nerds to stop flooding NG's with
>>> encoded
>>> crap.
>>> Just post pictures, thank you very much.
>>
>> When you become the undisputed owner and big boss of this news group,
>> you can make such demands on others. Until then, pleasant dreams
>> Herman.
>>
>> Elmo
>
> <<PLONK>>
>
>

And here's yet one more MSOE user who simply can't handle the truth.

[John Crawford]

You can still take this Yenc flood and shove it. I sleep very well at
night's looking at
good Jpeg pics on this newsgroup. Give it a try some times

--
John Crawford


Edmonton Alberta

For every action there is an equal
and opposite government program

[hielan' laddie]

On Thu, 7 May 2009 02:58:23 -0400, John Crawford wrote
(in article >):

> You can still take this Yenc flood and shove it. I sleep very well at
> night's looking at
> good Jpeg pics on this newsgroup. Give it a try some times
>
>

No prob. You don't want to download YENC-encoded files, fine. It's your
system, your newsfeed, your personal requirements. I certainly can't reach
over to your machine and force you to change. (Well, I could, because I know
that your IP is 96.52.176.71, and I know you're running Windows, and I know
you're using MSOE which is a backdoor-infested piece of crap and easily
subverted, but I won't 'cause that would be illegal.)

Just don't try to tell others what they can or can't do. You will be laughed
at, as you have no power to enforce your wishes.

Some of us post using nothing but YENC for several reasons. These would
include efficiency; YENC makes smaller files than other encoding systems.
And, of course, as those who insist on using MSOE and refuse to get hold of
the free or cheap methods of reading YENC files from MSOE like to bitch and
moan about it, every YENC post produces considerable entertainment.

And, again... the 'good Jpeg pics' you like so much are encoded text. _All_
binaries, including all pics, on USENET are encoded text. It's just that MSOE
can read some encoding methods but not others.

[Clairbear]

"John Crawford" > wrote in news:mL_Kl.13267$Rf7.3475
@newsfe21.iad:

> Doesnt work to well with Vista
>

I am using vista on a desk top and a laptop and both have absolutely no
problem with external HDs I prefe Wester digatl drive aqnd they work
perfectly

[hielan' laddie]

On Sat, 2 May 2009 12:44:00 -0400, John Crawford wrote
(in article >):

> Doesnt work to well with Vista
>
>

I'm looking right at two machines running Vista (Vista Business on one, Vista
Home Premium on the other) both of which have external drives currently
attached (one each FireWire, plus for the Business machine two USB and for
the HP machine one USB). One (the HP machines) is a Toshiba laptop and one
(the Business machine) is a home-built full-size tower. The tower also has
several internal hard drives: one 500 GB attached to SATA for booting, and
three 750 GB also on SATA in a RAID 5 array.

It would appear that whatever faults Vista may have (and it has many), being
unable to handle multiple hard drives is not among them.

[hielan' laddie]

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:37:00 -0400, Fabio wrote
(in article >):

> The problem is not only Yenc! And Yenc is a problem because I do not want to
> add a yenc reader on my already overcrowded old PC. But that is my problem.
> When somebody floods the group with a lot of pictures in most of the cases
> not more than one half of the pieces show on my PC. There are always some
> parts missing and it is impossible for me to open the damn things with
> whatsoever software. I lose this way many pics and who posted them, for me
> to see them, wasted his time. Thanks to Mitch and all those who continue to
> post simple Jpg etc. I lost all of Br'er Rabid
> and most of J3 >
> So is up to you.
> ciao
> Fabio
>

That's not a YENC problem, that's a multi-part post problem. And the solution
to that is twofold:

1 get a good newsfeed that doesn't drop parts of posts

2 if the poster also posts .PARs, download the .PARs and use them to
reassemble the pix. I _always_ post .PARs when I post multipart files.

>
>
> "Clairbear" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> ...
>> "John Crawford" > wrote in news:cZ3Il.65112$LA7.36474
>> @newsfe20.iad:
>>
>>> Do you have to flood the group with this crap
>>>
>>
>> John yenc is not a problem if you use a news reader like xnews
>>
>
>

[hielan' laddie]

On Sat, 9 May 2009 10:32:24 -0400, Clairbear wrote
(in article >):

> "John Crawford" > wrote in news:mL_Kl.13267$Rf7.3475
> @newsfe21.iad:
>
>> Doesnt work to well with Vista
>>
>
> I am using vista on a desk top and a laptop and both have absolutely no
> problem with external HDs I prefe Wester digatl drive aqnd they work
> perfectly

WDs die easily. I've had multiple WD external drives (from the My Book
series) die over the last six months, while Seagate, Maxtor, and LaCie
drives, all of them older than the WDs, still live. As the WDs die I'm
replacing them with Seagates and LaCies.

[Clairbear]

hielan' laddie > wrote in news:gu46rc2b4
@news3.newsguy.com:

> On Sat, 9 May 2009 10:32:24 -0400, Clairbear wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> "John Crawford" > wrote in news:mL_Kl.13267$Rf7.3475
>> @newsfe21.iad:
>>
>>> Doesnt work to well with Vista
>>>
>>
>> I am using vista on a desk top and a laptop and both have absolutely no
>> problem with external HDs I prefe Wester digatl drive aqnd they work
>> perfectly
>
> WDs die easily. I've had multiple WD external drives (from the My Book
> series) die over the last six months, while Seagate, Maxtor, and LaCie
> drives, all of them older than the WDs, still live. As the WDs die I'm
> replacing them with Seagates and LaCies.
>
>

I have a several WDs with no failures after long term use Maxtors have at
least 10% failure rate The seagate I have run fine after long use. LaCie I
only kno by rep and the are among the best

[Bob (not my real pseudonym)]

On Sat, 9 May 2009 11:18:04 -0400, hielan' laddie
> wrote:

>On Sat, 9 May 2009 10:32:24 -0400, Clairbear wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> "John Crawford" > wrote in news:mL_Kl.13267$Rf7.3475
>> @newsfe21.iad:
>>
>>> Doesnt work to well with Vista
>>>
>>
>> I am using vista on a desk top and a laptop and both have absolutely no
>> problem with external HDs I prefe Wester digatl drive aqnd they work
>> perfectly
>
>WDs die easily. I've had multiple WD external drives (from the My Book
>series) die over the last six months, while Seagate, Maxtor, and LaCie
>drives, all of them older than the WDs, still live. As the WDs die I'm
>replacing them with Seagates and LaCies.

I had a WD MyBook external die on me a few months ago, too - the first
hard drive death I've had in twenty years. Internal WDs seem to work
quite happily for me.

[John Crawford]

I.m not talking about drives, My comment was about Xmail

--
John Crawford


Edmonton Alberta

For every action there is an equal
and opposite government program

[Mike[_26_]]

I concur!!!!
"John Crawford" > wrote in message
...
> You can still take this Yenc flood and shove it. I sleep very well at
> night's looking at
> good Jpeg pics on this newsgroup. Give it a try some times
>
> --
> John Crawford
>
>
> Edmonton Alberta
>
> For every action there is an equal
> and opposite government program

[Mike[_26_]]

When in Rome do as the Romas do A-Hole
"hielan' laddie" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 7 May 2009 02:58:23 -0400, John Crawford wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> You can still take this Yenc flood and shove it. I sleep very well at
>> night's looking at
>> good Jpeg pics on this newsgroup. Give it a try some times
>>
>>
>
> No prob. You don't want to download YENC-encoded files, fine. It's your
> system, your newsfeed, your personal requirements. I certainly can't reach
> over to your machine and force you to change. (Well, I could, because I
> know
> that your IP is 96.52.176.71, and I know you're running Windows, and I
> know
> you're using MSOE which is a backdoor-infested piece of crap and easily
> subverted, but I won't 'cause that would be illegal.)
>
> Just don't try to tell others what they can or can't do. You will be
> laughed
> at, as you have no power to enforce your wishes.
>
> Some of us post using nothing but YENC for several reasons. These would
> include efficiency; YENC makes smaller files than other encoding systems.
> And, of course, as those who insist on using MSOE and refuse to get hold
> of
> the free or cheap methods of reading YENC files from MSOE like to bitch
> and
> moan about it, every YENC post produces considerable entertainment.
>
> And, again... the 'good Jpeg pics' you like so much are encoded text.
> _All_
> binaries, including all pics, on USENET are encoded text. It's just that
> MSOE
> can read some encoding methods but not others.
>

[hielan' laddie]

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:46:16 -0400, Mike wrote
(in article >):

> When in Rome do as the Romas do A-Hole

I'm not in Rome. And the Romans can bite me.

> "hielan' laddie" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 7 May 2009 02:58:23 -0400, John Crawford wrote
>> (in article >):
>>
>>> You can still take this Yenc flood and shove it. I sleep very well at
>>> night's looking at
>>> good Jpeg pics on this newsgroup. Give it a try some times
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No prob. You don't want to download YENC-encoded files, fine. It's your
>> system, your newsfeed, your personal requirements. I certainly can't reach
>> over to your machine and force you to change. (Well, I could, because I
>> know
>> that your IP is 96.52.176.71, and I know you're running Windows, and I
>> know
>> you're using MSOE which is a backdoor-infested piece of crap and easily
>> subverted, but I won't 'cause that would be illegal.)
>>
>> Just don't try to tell others what they can or can't do. You will be
>> laughed
>> at, as you have no power to enforce your wishes.
>>
>> Some of us post using nothing but YENC for several reasons. These would
>> include efficiency; YENC makes smaller files than other encoding systems.
>> And, of course, as those who insist on using MSOE and refuse to get hold
>> of
>> the free or cheap methods of reading YENC files from MSOE like to bitch
>> and
>> moan about it, every YENC post produces considerable entertainment.
>>
>> And, again... the 'good Jpeg pics' you like so much are encoded text.
>> _All_
>> binaries, including all pics, on USENET are encoded text. It's just that
>> MSOE
>> can read some encoding methods but not others.
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