LS-4 Water bag repair

[M C]

Does anyone know what material was used for the LS-4 water bags?

A friend needs to buy some material to repair a couple of small leaks.

Thanks

Mike

[Papa3]

On May 7, 1:30*am, M C > wrote:
> Does anyone know what material was used for the LS-4 water bags?
>
> A friend needs to buy some material to repair a couple of small leaks.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike

If you're talking about the original factory ones (tan color), I think
they are a rubberized vinyl (don't hold me to that). More
importantly, most of the ones I've seen are in awful shape by now;
they usually have de-laminated. I helped a fried repair one using a
plastics repair kit. As soon as we had one hole patched, others
sprung up.

Ended up buying Smiley Bags (US).

P3

[Dave Nadler]

On May 7, 1:30*am, M C > wrote:
> Does anyone know what material was used for the LS-4 water bags?
>
> A friend needs to buy some material to repair a couple of small leaks.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike

You may not really want to know the answer to that question.
Hint: are there pretty mermaids embossed in the plastic ?
See ya, Dave

PS: There are aftermarket bags of sturdier materials...

[Papa3]

On May 7, 8:27*am, Papa3 > wrote:
> On May 7, 1:30*am, M C > wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know what material was used for the LS-4 water bags?
>
> > A friend needs to buy some material to repair a couple of small leaks.
>
> > Thanks
>
> > Mike
>
> If you're talking about the original factory ones (tan color), I think
> they are a rubberized vinyl (don't hold me to that). *More
> importantly, most of the ones I've seen are in awful shape by now;
> they usually have de-laminated. * *I helped a fried repair one using a
> plastics repair kit. *As soon as we had one hole patched, others
> sprung up.
>
> Ended up buying Smiley Bags (US).
>
> P3

Quick addition: Search LS4 water bags on the google groups and
you'll see a couple of other threads on this topic. I think the
ultimate conclusions were: 1. Get new bags 2. Smiley bags not
available. 3. Source in Australia had good replacements.

[Paul Goulding[_2_]]

At 05:30 07 May 2009, M C wrote:
>Does anyone know what material was used for the LS-4 water bags?
>
>A friend needs to buy some material to repair a couple of small leaks.
>
>Thanks
>
>Mike
>

Hi

I have posted here before on this subject .. Clipper Plastics in Australia
..great bags great price ... If you need more info email me on


Paul

[[email protected]]

> I have posted here before on this subject .. > Paul

Dear Mike,

Now that you have officially received the obligatory admonishment for
inquiring about something that has been previously discussed at some
point during the entire past history of r.a.s. (the HORROR!), here's
the alluded to company's website:

http://www.clipper.com.au/

Good luck, and don't you never, ever again dare ask about anything
that has already been posted here before! ; )

[Bob Kuykendall]

On May 7, 5:27*am, Dave Nadler > wrote:

> Hint: are there pretty mermaids embossed in the plastic ?

I've heard that the paisley ones make you go faster, but the LBA has
only approved the daisy pattern.

Thanks, Bob K.
http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24

[Papa3]

On May 7, 11:43*am, wrote:
> > I have posted here before on this subject .. > Paul
>
> Dear Mike,
>
> Now that you have officially received the obligatory admonishment for
> inquiring about something that has been previously discussed at some
> point during the entire past history of r.a.s. (the HORROR!), here's
> the alluded to company's website:
>
> http://www.clipper.com.au/
>
> Good luck, and don't you never, ever again dare ask about anything
> that has already been posted here before! *; )

Not an "admonishment" at all. One of primary benefits of the
Internet is the ability to look up information which may have been
posted in the past rather than relying on the (sometimes shaky)
memories of the people posting this time around. You can consider
this an admonishment for your admonishment.

[[email protected]]

On May 7, 8:58*am, Papa3 > wrote:
> On May 7, 11:43*am, wrote:
>
> > > I have posted here before on this subject .. > Paul
>
> > Dear Mike,
>
> > Now that you have officially received the obligatory admonishment for
> > inquiring about something that has been previously discussed at some
> > point during the entire past history of r.a.s. (the HORROR!), here's
> > the alluded to company's website:
>
> >http://www.clipper.com.au/
>
> > Good luck, and don't you never, ever again dare ask about anything
> > that has already been posted here before! *; )
>
> Not an "admonishment" at all. * One of primary benefits of the
> Internet is the ability to look up information which may have been
> posted in the past rather than relying on the (sometimes shaky)
> memories of the people posting this time around. * *You can consider
> this an admonishment for your admonishment.

....actually it's an admonishment of his admonishment about
admonishments.

This, of course, is an admonishment of your incorrect admonishment
about his admonishment on admonishments.

9B

P.S. Having had an entire LS wing bag dump into my cockpit on course
during a contest years ago I'd endorse the suggestion of replacement
over repair. Funny the pressure trapped air can put on a sealed bag as
the altitude goes up.

[JS]

I think the suggestions all lean towards replacement, a good idea.
I had a bag explode in an LS-4 too. Seventy liters in the cockpit
puts the CG a little too far forward to climb, or to keep the nose off
the runway at the end of the landing roll.
Replacing waterlogged electronics could be more expensive than
replacement of the bags. Somehow I was lucky and the radio survived
the underwater experience.
Time for new bags, the best you can get. Don't be tempted to buy
shower curtains whether paisley, daisy or other fashionable embossed
or printed design.
Do you have someone with thin arms to put the bags back in, Mike?
If the LS-4 hasn't already been converted to a 4a with larger bags,
now is the time if you can get the rubber baby buggy bumpers from DG.
Check TN 4018.
Jim

> P.S. Having had an entire LS wing bag dump into my cockpit on course
> during a contest years ago I'd endorse the suggestion of replacement
> over repair. Funny the pressure trapped air can put on a sealed bag as
> the altitude goes up.

[M C]

Thanks for the info guys.

Seems the bags are aftermarket. They are sort of a rubberized ripstop
material. I originally thought they were Hypalon but maybe they are
another rubberized material- not sure.

If anyone has bags that seem similar, please post.

Thanks again,

Mike




At 05:30 07 May 2009, M C wrote:
>Does anyone know what material was used for the LS-4 water bags?
>
>A friend needs to buy some material to repair a couple of small leaks.
>
>Thanks
>
>Mike
>

[[email protected]]

> Not an "admonishment" at all. *

See the last sentence of this reply.

> One of primary benefits of the Internet is the ability to look up information which may have been posted in the past rather than relying on the (sometimes shaky) memories of the people posting this time around.

This sentence states personal opinions and mixes dissimilar points:

-A capability of the internet being one's ability to attempt
independent research is a fact.

-Whether or not this internet capability is a "primary benefit" is
personal opinion.

-Intimating that someone should perform their own independent research
rather than asking a question of a web-based forum is an opinion
wholly dissimilar to qualifying the capability of internet technology.

-Intimating that someone must perform their own independent research
as a prerequisite to asking a question of a web-based forum is an
opinion wholly dissimilar to qualifying the capability of internet
technology.

Regardless, it's a fact that one is wise to consider any information
acquired via the internet as suspect, whether obtained first-hand or
second-hand .

My opinion: In this case the responder, since he knew the answer,
should have simply supplied the URL for the benefit of all interested
parties, present and future, and 1. Skipped any commentary that could
be misconstued as admonishment for asking the question, and 2. Not
required an intermediary step of the inquirer to make contact via
email in order to receive the answer.

Whether or not this commentary is construed as admonishment is open to
personal interpretation--after all, you say "Po-tay-to" and I say "Po-
tah-to".

[Andy[_1_]]

On May 7, 10:15*am, M C > wrote:
> Thanks for the info guys.
>
> Seems the bags are aftermarket. *They are sort of a rubberized ripstop
> material. I originally thought they were Hypalon but maybe they are
> another rubberized material- not sure.

I they are the rubberized fabric Smiley bags they can be repaired
using inner tube patches. Valcanizing is probably a good idea but I
don't know if tire (tyre) repair places have the presses anymore.
It's been a long time since I saw one.

Andy

[Papa3]

On May 7, 1:47*pm, wrote:
> > Not an "admonishment" at all. *
>
> See the last sentence of this reply.
>
> > One of primary benefits of the Internet is the ability to look up information which may have been posted in the past rather than relying on the (sometimes shaky) memories of the people posting this time around.
>
> This sentence states personal opinions and mixes dissimilar points:
>
> -A capability of the internet being one's ability to attempt
> independent research is a fact.
>
> -Whether or not this internet capability is a "primary benefit" is
> personal opinion.
>
> -Intimating that someone should perform their own independent research
> rather than asking a question of a web-based forum is an opinion
> wholly dissimilar to qualifying the capability of internet technology.
>
> -Intimating that someone must perform their own independent research
> as a prerequisite to asking a question of a web-based forum is an
> opinion wholly dissimilar to qualifying the capability of internet
> technology.
>
> Regardless, it's a fact that one is wise to consider any information
> acquired via the internet as suspect, whether obtained first-hand or
> second-hand .
>
> My opinion: *In this case the responder, since he knew the answer,
> should have simply supplied the URL for the benefit of all interested
> parties, present and future, and 1. Skipped any commentary that could
> be misconstued as admonishment for asking the question, and 2. *Not
> required an intermediary step of the inquirer to make contact via
> email in order to receive the answer.
>
> Whether or not this commentary is construed as admonishment is open to
> personal interpretation--after all, you say "Po-tay-to" and I say "Po-
> tah-to".

Having a bad day, eh?

[[email protected]]

> Having a bad day, eh?-

No, but thanks for the concern.

But I am tired of people getting slammed on this forum for simply
asking a question in earnest (whether it has been asked before or not)
and others acting like they're inconvenienced by answering.

Either reply without slinging veiled arrows or shut the hell up.

[sisu1a]

Although I think one should at least lightly search for what has been
covered here- before posting... I too think it's kinda lame when
people get grief (but I appreciate the humorous replies :) for their
legitimate queries here as well... especially since technology,
available products, schools of thought, and agreed upon solutions are
constantly evolving and changing.

I hope I'm not the only one that feels there is merit to revisiting
ideas and asking questions that have already been "answered"
before... just cause it worked in 1998 or whatever doesn't mean
there's not a better solution now, or an even better one on the
horizon that has not yet even been discussed at all.

-Paul

[Frank Whiteley]

On May 7, 3:18*pm, wrote:
> > Having a bad day, eh?-
>
> No, but thanks for the concern.
>
> But I am tired of people getting slammed on this forum for simply
> asking a question in earnest (whether it has been asked before or not)
> and others acting like they're inconvenienced by answering.
>
> Either reply without slinging veiled arrows or shut the hell up.

I think it's useful for the regular posters and readers to find an old
thread that may have been useful, bundle it with a tinyurl, and share
the link. At least that's what I try to do when a topic gets
revisited and there's way too much typing involved in restating it.
Overall, RAS remains generally civil and helpful, unlike some other
aviation news groups, like to keep it that way.

Frank Whiteley