O-200 overhaul & Vari EZ value

[Steve Ruse]

I am considering buying an O-200 powered Vari EZ in a couple of
months. I like everything about this specific plane, except the
engine. It has about 1400hrs on it, so only 400hrs left to TBO. I know
I don't have to overhaul it, but I wouldn't be comfortable going
400hrs past TBO, so an overhaul would have to happen in the next few
years. Am I just stuck paying $8K-$10K for an overhaul? I don't mind
doing the work myself with an A & P looking over my shoulder...still,
just the cost for parts would be significant. Is there any way to save
money on an O-200 overhaul and still get a safe, non-certified engine?
From what I've seen I'll be looking at $5,000 just for parts, IF the
crank and block are fine. Is that accurate?

So I'm wondering if I should just skip this plane and spend the extra
money to get a Long EZ with a lower time engine. The problem is I
really like this Vari EZ...it has several features that I like
(autopilot, GPS, etc.) and I have plenty of faith in the structure and
workmanship. On the other hand, with a Long EZ, I'll probably get some
extra useable load, and MUCH greater range (6+hrs instead of 3+hrs).

Any suggestions or input will be appreciated!

[Barnyard BOb --]

On 17 Oct 2003 11:41:55 -0700, (Steve Ruse)
wrote:

>I am considering buying an O-200 powered Vari EZ in a couple of
>months. I like everything about this specific plane, except the
>engine. It has about 1400hrs on it, so only 400hrs left to TBO. I know
>I don't have to overhaul it, but I wouldn't be comfortable going
>400hrs past TBO, so an overhaul would have to happen in the next few
>years. Am I just stuck paying $8K-$10K for an overhaul? I don't mind
>doing the work myself with an A & P looking over my shoulder...still,
>just the cost for parts would be significant. Is there any way to save
>money on an O-200 overhaul and still get a safe, non-certified engine?
>From what I've seen I'll be looking at $5,000 just for parts, IF the
>crank and block are fine. Is that accurate?
>
>So I'm wondering if I should just skip this plane and spend the extra
>money to get a Long EZ with a lower time engine. The problem is I
>really like this Vari EZ...it has several features that I like
>(autopilot, GPS, etc.) and I have plenty of faith in the structure and
>workmanship. On the other hand, with a Long EZ, I'll probably get some
>extra useable load, and MUCH greater range (6+hrs instead of 3+hrs).
>
>Any suggestions or input will be appreciated!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I wouldn't buy an aircraft in need of overhaul unless
I could deduct the price of the overhaul plus a little
for time and trouble.... BEFORE buying it.

If you figure 1800 hours TBO for $9000....
that's $5.00 per hour for the remaining 400 hours.

Figure it all out and make your offer.
The worst that happens is you will be
searching for a longer range Long EZ. <g>


Barnyard BOb -- 50 years of flight.

[Gig Giacona]

"Steve Ruse" > wrote in message
m...

>
> So I'm wondering if I should just skip this plane and spend the extra
> money to get a Long EZ with a lower time engine. The problem is I
> really like this Vari EZ...it has several features that I like
> (autopilot, GPS, etc.) and I have plenty of faith in the structure and
> workmanship. On the other hand, with a Long EZ, I'll probably get some
> extra useable load, and MUCH greater range (6+hrs instead of 3+hrs).
>
> Any suggestions or input will be appreciated!


Here is the situation you will usually see.

All other things being equal and say a 2000 hour engine that costs $5000 to
overhaul...

Plane A 0 SMOH 20,000
Plane B 1000 SMOH 17,500
Plane C 2000 SMOH 15,000

Which plane is the better deal? I'd take C because I'd KNOW by whom and how
well it was overhauled.

[Jeff]

Do you ever let a doctor or dentist work on you or are you also smarter than
they are?

Jeff


"Stan Kapushinski" > wrote in message
news:1066438236.305349@cache3...
> Steve,
>
I wouldn't let an A&P or IA work on my car let alone my
> airplane.

[Barnyard BOb --]

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:36:27 -0400, "Stan Kapushinski"
> wrote:

>Steve,

>
>Also, when we bought the 150 it had about 500hr's left on the engine and it
>took a few years to fly off that much time and we both flew the plane
>regularly. I problaby flew it 1 to 1.5 hrs per week myself. Believe me a
>few hundred hours goes a long way when only one or two people use it, unless
>your rich and don't have to work.
>
>Stan K.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

1. I'm not rich.
2. Don't work.
3. Fly a lot.

Am I the only one?


Barnyard BOb - retired airport bum

[Stan Kapushinski]

Steve,

My dad overhualed our O-200 about 7 years ago and did it for around $5000 ~
$6000 it ran better than other 150's I've flown that were overhauled by
certified shops. I wouldn't let an A&P or IA work on my car let alone my
airplane. Fortunatley we knew an IA who my dad would somtimes do work for
so he oversaw the rebuild and signed it off.

Also, when we bought the 150 it had about 500hr's left on the engine and it
took a few years to fly off that much time and we both flew the plane
regularly. I problaby flew it 1 to 1.5 hrs per week myself. Believe me a
few hundred hours goes a long way when only one or two people use it, unless
your rich and don't have to work.

Stan K.

"Steve Ruse" > wrote in message
m...
> I am considering buying an O-200 powered Vari EZ in a couple of
> months. I like everything about this specific plane, except the
> engine. It has about 1400hrs on it, so only 400hrs left to TBO. I know
> I don't have to overhaul it, but I wouldn't be comfortable going
> 400hrs past TBO, so an overhaul would have to happen in the next few
> years. Am I just stuck paying $8K-$10K for an overhaul? I don't mind
> doing the work myself with an A & P looking over my shoulder...still,
> just the cost for parts would be significant. Is there any way to save
> money on an O-200 overhaul and still get a safe, non-certified engine?
> From what I've seen I'll be looking at $5,000 just for parts, IF the
> crank and block are fine. Is that accurate?
>
> So I'm wondering if I should just skip this plane and spend the extra
> money to get a Long EZ with a lower time engine. The problem is I
> really like this Vari EZ...it has several features that I like
> (autopilot, GPS, etc.) and I have plenty of faith in the structure and
> workmanship. On the other hand, with a Long EZ, I'll probably get some
> extra useable load, and MUCH greater range (6+hrs instead of 3+hrs).
>
> Any suggestions or input will be appreciated!

[Larry Smith]

"Barnyard BOb --" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:36:27 -0400, "Stan Kapushinski"
> > wrote:
>
> >Steve,
>
> >
> >Also, when we bought the 150 it had about 500hr's left on the engine and
it
> >took a few years to fly off that much time and we both flew the plane
> >regularly. I problaby flew it 1 to 1.5 hrs per week myself. Believe me
a
> >few hundred hours goes a long way when only one or two people use it,
unless
> >your rich and don't have to work.
> >
> >Stan K.
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> 1. I'm not rich.

Well, sometimes, you're a little rich.

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

> 2. Don't work.
> 3. Fly a lot.
>
> Am I the only one?
>
>
> Barnyard BOb - retired airport bum

[Model Flyer]

"Barnyard BOb --" > wrote in message
...

> >your rich and don't have to work.
> >
> >Stan K.
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> 1. I'm not rich.

Nore am I but it's not because of flying.

> 2. Don't work.

I do work but as I live in the SE or Ireland I don't get a lot of
printer repair work and I can't spell.

> 3. Fly a lot.

I wish I could, however the weather is closing in for the weather and
neither my self or the chap I fly with have an IMC rating.:-(
--

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>
> Am I the only one?
>
>
> Barnyard BOb - retired airport bum

[Big John]

Johathan

Are you Irish or do you spend a lot of time in IRE?

How can I contact you off News Group (e-mail or letter mail?

Erin go bragh

Big John


On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:30:23 +0100, "Model Flyer" >
wrote:

>
>"Barnyard BOb --" > wrote in message
...
>
>> >your rich and don't have to work.
>> >
>> >Stan K.
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> 1. I'm not rich.
>
>Nore am I but it's not because of flying.
>
>> 2. Don't work.
>
>I do work but as I live in the SE or Ireland I don't get a lot of
>printer repair work and I can't spell.
>
>> 3. Fly a lot.
>
>I wish I could, however the weather is closing in for the weather and
>neither my self or the chap I fly with have an IMC rating.:-(
>--
>
>.

[Richard Riley]

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:30:23 +0100, "Model Flyer" >
wrote:

:I do work but as I live in the SE or Ireland I don't get a lot of
:printer repair work and I can't spell.

Jim, at SnF several years ago I met a homebuilder that was an
architect in his day job. He'd overseen the restoration of the Abby
and the Gate theaters in Dublin. I don't know kind of an airplane he
was building, but since I was there with the Berkut it might have been
a canard.

I've tried to find him and get in touch with him ever since, but
that's all I have. One of these days I'm going to get there and I
*really* want a backstage tour of the Abby.

Any idea of who it might have been? I'm thinking perhaps there aren't
that many builders in eastern Ireland.

Richard (Grandpa was from Wexford) Riley
Richard atsign riley period net

[Model Flyer]

"Big John" > wrote in message
...
> Johathan
>
> Are you Irish or do you spend a lot of time in IRE?
>
> How can I contact you off News Group (e-mail or letter mail?
>

If your email address is genuine I sent you a message with mine on
it, hope it gets to you.
--

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Jonathan Lowe
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Antispam trap in place


> Erin go bragh
>
> Big John
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:30:23 +0100, "Model Flyer"
>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Barnyard BOb --" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >> >your rich and don't have to work.
> >> >
> >> >Stan K.
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>
> >> 1. I'm not rich.
> >
> >Nore am I but it's not because of flying.
> >
> >> 2. Don't work.
> >
> >I do work but as I live in the SE or Ireland I don't get a lot of
> >printer repair work and I can't spell.
> >
> >> 3. Fly a lot.
> >
> >I wish I could, however the weather is closing in for the weather
and
> >neither my self or the chap I fly with have an IMC rating.:-(
> >--
> >
> >.
>

[Model Flyer]

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:30:23 +0100, "Model Flyer"
>

> Jim, at SnF several years ago I met a homebuilder that was an
> architect in his day job. He'd overseen the restoration of the
Abby
> and the Gate theaters in Dublin. I don't know kind of an airplane
he
> was building, but since I was there with the Berkut it might have
been
> a canard.

I think there are only two or three canard's among the group of home
builders here in the Ireland. Like the EAA we have the Society of
Amature Aircraft Constructors (SAAC) and operate out of a field in
the SW corner of Co Wexford. However I'm involved with a group that
operate a Rallye 100 out of the same field. I dream about building
some day.

>
> I've tried to find him and get in touch with him ever since, but
> that's all I have. One of these days I'm going to get there and I
> *really* want a backstage tour of the Abby.
>
> Any idea of who it might have been? I'm thinking perhaps there
aren't
> that many builders in eastern Ireland.
>
> Richard (Grandpa was from Wexford) Riley
> Richard atsign riley period net

There are Riley's living down the road from myself.
--

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Jonathan Lowe
whatever at antispam dot net
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Antispam trap in place

[Richard Riley]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:38:34 +0100, "Model Flyer" >
wrote:

:I think there are only two or three canard's among the group of home
:builders here in the Ireland. Like the EAA we have the Society of
:Amature Aircraft Constructors (SAAC) and operate out of a field in
:the SW corner of Co Wexford. However I'm involved with a group that
:operate a Rallye 100 out of the same field. I dream about building
:some day.

Can you give me any contact information for SAAC?

[Big John]

Johnathan

No it isn't. I have a address I don't check but rarely so use it.

>

Big John

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:34:08 +0100, "Model Flyer" >
wrote:

>
>"Big John" > wrote in message
...
>> Johathan
>>
>> Are you Irish or do you spend a lot of time in IRE?
>>
>> How can I contact you off News Group (e-mail or letter mail?
>>
>
>If your email address is genuine I sent you a message with mine on
>it, hope it gets to you.
>--
>
>.