Aircraft patchwork?

[Andrew B]

Visited Manchester (EGCC) on Thursday 18th and the attached ATR42 landed.
I am just a little puzzled by the area at the front that looks like a large
patch, I tried a Google without success so does anyone know what is this
for?
I have seen similar areas on other ATR42 aircraft and it seems to be a
standard feature, it's just that it stands out on this one.

I will post some other shots taken that day when I have finished
sorting them out.

--
Andrew B (Cheshire, England)

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
(Lord Kelvin, president Royal Society, 1895.)

[Bill & Ange]

Might be a former military version of the aircraft. From the pics I found,
the military versions had this 'hatch/patch' located here.


"Andrew B" > wrote in message
om...
> Visited Manchester (EGCC) on Thursday 18th and the attached ATR42 landed.
> I am just a little puzzled by the area at the front that looks like a
> large
> patch, I tried a Google without success so does anyone know what is this
> for?
> I have seen similar areas on other ATR42 aircraft and it seems to be a
> standard feature, it's just that it stands out on this one.
>
> I will post some other shots taken that day when I have finished
> sorting them out.
>
> --
> Andrew B (Cheshire, England)
>
> "Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
> (Lord Kelvin, president Royal Society, 1895.)
>
>

[Bill & Ange]

Might be a former military version of the aircraft. From the pics I found,
the military versions had this 'hatch/patch' located here.


"Andrew B" > wrote in message
om...
> Visited Manchester (EGCC) on Thursday 18th and the attached ATR42 landed.
> I am just a little puzzled by the area at the front that looks like a
> large
> patch, I tried a Google without success so does anyone know what is this
> for?
> I have seen similar areas on other ATR42 aircraft and it seems to be a
> standard feature, it's just that it stands out on this one.
>
> I will post some other shots taken that day when I have finished
> sorting them out.
>
> --
> Andrew B (Cheshire, England)
>
> "Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
> (Lord Kelvin, president Royal Society, 1895.)
>
>

[Andrew B]

It appears that it was first registered with Finnair in 1986 and then Sasmat
Holdings, TAT, Cimber Air, TAT again, Air Liberte, Air Atlantique and then
had been stored by Aer Arann in December 2007 - I don't know when it
returned to service. I'm not sure there is any military history but you
could be correct.
--
Andrew B (Cheshire, England)

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
(Lord Kelvin, president Royal Society, 1895.)


>"Bill & Ange" > wrote in message
...
> Might be a former military version of the aircraft. From the pics I found,
> the military versions had this 'hatch/patch' located here.
>

[Andrew B]

It appears that it was first registered with Finnair in 1986 and then Sasmat
Holdings, TAT, Cimber Air, TAT again, Air Liberte, Air Atlantique and then
had been stored by Aer Arann in December 2007 - I don't know when it
returned to service. I'm not sure there is any military history but you
could be correct.
--
Andrew B (Cheshire, England)

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
(Lord Kelvin, president Royal Society, 1895.)


>"Bill & Ange" > wrote in message
...
> Might be a former military version of the aircraft. From the pics I found,
> the military versions had this 'hatch/patch' located here.
>

[Robert Moore]

"Andrew B" wrote

> I have seen similar areas on other ATR42 aircraft and it seems to be a
> standard feature, it's just that it stands out on this one.

It appears to be a "cargo loading" door that has been replaced and not
yet painted. See:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/CSA---Czech/ATR-ATR-42-500/1461524/L/&sid=
0330cae2681537c95687d78991642d2a

Makes sense.....FEDEX uses the ATR-42 for their package service.

Bob Moore

[Robert Moore]

"Andrew B" wrote

> I have seen similar areas on other ATR42 aircraft and it seems to be a
> standard feature, it's just that it stands out on this one.

It appears to be a "cargo loading" door that has been replaced and not
yet painted. See:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/CSA---Czech/ATR-ATR-42-500/1461524/L/&sid=
0330cae2681537c95687d78991642d2a

Makes sense.....FEDEX uses the ATR-42 for their package service.

Bob Moore

[Netko]

On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:38:22 +0100, Andrew B wrote
(in article >):

> I am just a little puzzled by the area at the front that looks like a large
> patch, I tried a Google without success so does anyone know what is this
> for?

Isn't it the cargo door, as in the attached 3-view drawing (filched
shamelessly from the ATR web site)? It hinges upwards (the door, that is).

It's depicted open in Flight's cutaway drawing at:

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/photos/civilaviation1949-
2006cutaways/aerospatiale-atr42-cutaway-6662.aspx

What a long URL.

[Andrew B]

"Netko" > wrote in message
x.com...
> On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:38:22 +0100, Andrew B wrote
> (in article >):
>
> Isn't it the cargo door, as in the attached 3-view drawing (filched
> shamelessly from the ATR web site)? It hinges upwards (the door, that
> is).
>
> It's depicted open in Flight's cutaway drawing at:
>
> http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/photos/civilaviation1949-
> 2006cutaways/aerospatiale-atr42-cutaway-6662.aspx
>
> What a long URL.
>

Thank you Netko, that explains it, I hadn't thought of a cargo hold ahead of
the passenger cabin.

--
Andrew B (Cheshire, England)

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
(Lord Kelvin, president Royal Society, 1895.)

[Andrew B]

"Netko" > wrote in message
x.com...
> On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:38:22 +0100, Andrew B wrote
> (in article >):
>
> Isn't it the cargo door, as in the attached 3-view drawing (filched
> shamelessly from the ATR web site)? It hinges upwards (the door, that
> is).
>
> It's depicted open in Flight's cutaway drawing at:
>
> http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/photos/civilaviation1949-
> 2006cutaways/aerospatiale-atr42-cutaway-6662.aspx
>
> What a long URL.
>

Thank you Netko, that explains it, I hadn't thought of a cargo hold ahead of
the passenger cabin.

--
Andrew B (Cheshire, England)

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
(Lord Kelvin, president Royal Society, 1895.)

[Andrew B]

"Robert Moore" > wrote in message
5.247...
>
> It appears to be a "cargo loading" door that has been replaced and not
> yet painted. See:
> http://www.airliners.net/photo/CSA---Czech/ATR-ATR-42-500/1461524/L/&sid=
> 0330cae2681537c95687d78991642d2a
>
> Makes sense.....FEDEX uses the ATR-42 for their package service.
>
> Bob Moore

Had not considered a cargo area forward of the passenger cabin but from your
link that is the answer, thank you very much.

--
Andrew B (Cheshire, England)

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
(Lord Kelvin, president Royal Society, 1895.)

[Andrew B]

"Robert Moore" > wrote in message
5.247...
>
> It appears to be a "cargo loading" door that has been replaced and not
> yet painted. See:
> http://www.airliners.net/photo/CSA---Czech/ATR-ATR-42-500/1461524/L/&sid=
> 0330cae2681537c95687d78991642d2a
>
> Makes sense.....FEDEX uses the ATR-42 for their package service.
>
> Bob Moore

Had not considered a cargo area forward of the passenger cabin but from your
link that is the answer, thank you very much.

--
Andrew B (Cheshire, England)

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
(Lord Kelvin, president Royal Society, 1895.)

[Andrew Chaplin]

"Andrew B" > wrote in message
om...
>
> "Netko" > wrote in message
> x.com...
>> On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:38:22 +0100, Andrew B wrote
>> (in article >):
>>
>> Isn't it the cargo door, as in the attached 3-view drawing (filched
>> shamelessly from the ATR web site)? It hinges upwards (the door, that
>> is).
>>
>> It's depicted open in Flight's cutaway drawing at:
>>
>> http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/photos/civilaviation1949-
>> 2006cutaways/aerospatiale-atr42-cutaway-6662.aspx
>>
>> What a long URL.
>>
>
> Thank you Netko, that explains it, I hadn't thought of a cargo hold ahead of
> the passenger cabin.

It's not that unusual, when CC-137s flew in combi configuration, the crated
cargo was typically forward and we self-loading cargo were aft.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

[Andrew Chaplin]

"Andrew B" > wrote in message
om...
>
> "Netko" > wrote in message
> x.com...
>> On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:38:22 +0100, Andrew B wrote
>> (in article >):
>>
>> Isn't it the cargo door, as in the attached 3-view drawing (filched
>> shamelessly from the ATR web site)? It hinges upwards (the door, that
>> is).
>>
>> It's depicted open in Flight's cutaway drawing at:
>>
>> http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/photos/civilaviation1949-
>> 2006cutaways/aerospatiale-atr42-cutaway-6662.aspx
>>
>> What a long URL.
>>
>
> Thank you Netko, that explains it, I hadn't thought of a cargo hold ahead of
> the passenger cabin.

It's not that unusual, when CC-137s flew in combi configuration, the crated
cargo was typically forward and we self-loading cargo were aft.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

[Andrew B]

"Andrew Chaplin" > wrote in message
...
> "Andrew B" > wrote in message
> om...
>>
>> "Netko" > wrote in message
>> x.com...
>>> On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:38:22 +0100, Andrew B wrote
>>> (in article >):
>>>
>>> Isn't it the cargo door, as in the attached 3-view drawing (filched
>>> shamelessly from the ATR web site)? It hinges upwards (the door, that
>>> is).
>>>
>>> It's depicted open in Flight's cutaway drawing at:
>>>
>>> http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/photos/civilaviation1949-
>>> 2006cutaways/aerospatiale-atr42-cutaway-6662.aspx
>>>
>>> What a long URL.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you Netko, that explains it, I hadn't thought of a cargo hold ahead
>> of
>> the passenger cabin.
>
> It's not that unusual, when CC-137s flew in combi configuration, the
> crated cargo was typically forward and we self-loading cargo were aft.
> --
> Andrew Chaplin
> SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
> (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

I never knew the 707/CC-137 were produced as a combi configuration, to be
truthful I didn't know about the CC-137's, I suppose that the idea for the
747 Combi had to come from somewhere. I hadn't considered a relatively
small commuter aircraft like the ATR being made in that style.

As for self loading cargo, I think I know that feeling :-)

--
Andrew B (Cheshire, England)

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
(Lord Kelvin, president Royal Society, 1895.)

[D. St-Sanvain]

Hello,

Andrew B a écrit :
> I never knew the 707/CC-137 were produced as a combi configuration, to be
> truthful I didn't know about the CC-137's, I suppose that the idea for the
> 747 Combi had to come from somewhere. I hadn't considered a relatively
> small commuter aircraft like the ATR being made in that style.

> As for self loading cargo, I think I know that feeling :-)

It had once been considered a military version, known as ATM 42. The
lack of rear cargo doors led was to be balanced by the lateral door, to
load jeeps, engines, etc...
In France, N2501s Noratlas and N262s Fregate are now replaced by the
CN-235.

Bye,

[Andrew B]

"D. St-Sanvain" > wrote in message
...
> Hello,
>
> Andrew B a écrit :
>> I never knew the 707/CC-137 were produced as a combi configuration, to be
>> truthful I didn't know about the CC-137's, I suppose that the idea for
>> the
>> 747 Combi had to come from somewhere. I hadn't considered a relatively
>> small commuter aircraft like the ATR being made in that style.
>
>> As for self loading cargo, I think I know that feeling :-)
>
> It had once been considered a military version, known as ATM 42. The lack
> of rear cargo doors led was to be balanced by the lateral door, to load
> jeeps, engines, etc...
> In France, N2501s Noratlas and N262s Fregate are now replaced by the
> CN-235.
>
> Bye,
>

The CN-235 looks like quite a capable aircraft and seems to have many
operators in various configurations.

--
Andrew B (Cheshire, England)

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
(Lord Kelvin, president Royal Society, 1895.)

[Bob (not my real pseudonym)]

On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:12:05 +0100, "Andrew B"
> wrote:

>
>"Robert Moore" > wrote in message
5.247...
>>
>> It appears to be a "cargo loading" door that has been replaced and not
>> yet painted. See:
>> http://www.airliners.net/photo/CSA---Czech/ATR-ATR-42-500/1461524/L/&sid=
>> 0330cae2681537c95687d78991642d2a
>>
>> Makes sense.....FEDEX uses the ATR-42 for their package service.
>>
>> Bob Moore
>
>Had not considered a cargo area forward of the passenger cabin but from your
>link that is the answer, thank you very much.

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