Re: Airbus 330 Crash - Probable Cause Is the Electromagnetic Storm

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

Eeyore > wrote in
:

>
>
> "Robert Morpheal, Morphealism, Bob Ezergailis" wrote:
>
>> I think the fly by wire, flight computers, issue is probably the most
>> significant. The fault indicators show a pattern of electrical
>> failure, including the computers.
>
> If so, how how did the ACARS mesages continue being transmitted for
> some four minutes ? They weren't getting their data from nowhere.
>
> Almost everyone is looking at the ice in the pitot tubes issue which
> explains everything much better, not least that Airbus had recommended
> replacing them with an improved type and that had not been done on the
> accident plane.
>
> Try .....
> http://www.iasa-intl.com/folders/belfast/AF447.htm
> http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/unusual-attitude/2009/06/af447---
the-
> air-caraibes-story.html
>
> Something like 38 or 39 pitot tube 'upsets' have since surfaced on
> A330s ( possibly including A340s ) . Not proof but quite damning.
>
> A backup method of indicating IAS is required. The system may be
> redundant but has a common-mode failure - icing. That reduces its
> redundancy to zero in such situations.
>


Nope, wrong again fjukkktard.


Bertie
>

[george]

On Jul 5, 10:16*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

> Nope, wrong again fjukkktard. *


:-)
For some strange reason the pitot heat prevents the pitot icing up.

[good grief]

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/7331/53/1/1

[Mike Ash]

In article >,
"good grief" > wrote:

> http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/7331/53/1/1

To quote one of my favorite books: "Can't you recognize bull****? Don't
you think it would be a useful item to add to your intellectual toolkits
to be capable of saying, when a ton of wet steaming bull**** lands on
your head, 'My goodness, this appears to be bull****'?"

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

[good grief]

>
> To quote one of my favorite books: "Can't you recognize bull****? Don't
> you think it would be a useful item to add to your intellectual toolkits
> to be capable of saying, when a ton of wet steaming bull**** lands on
> your head, 'My goodness, this appears to be bull****'?"
>
> --
> Mike Ash
> Radio Free Earth
> Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon


I dunno.........I sorta thought that would have been obvious to this group
and didn't need me to point that out. Maybe I was wrong. :-)
tp

[Jim Logajan]

"good grief" > wrote:
> http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/7331/53/1/1

Competition for The Onion?

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/investigators_determine_air_france

[Eeyore[_6_]]

george wrote:

> On Jul 5, 10:16 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> > Nope, wrong again fjukkktard.
>
> :-)
> For some strange reason the pitot heat prevents the pitot icing up.

Not if there's not enough heat.

Graham


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[Mike Ash]

In article >,
"good grief" > wrote:

> > To quote one of my favorite books: "Can't you recognize bull****? Don't
> > you think it would be a useful item to add to your intellectual toolkits
> > to be capable of saying, when a ton of wet steaming bull**** lands on
> > your head, 'My goodness, this appears to be bull****'?"
>
> I dunno.........I sorta thought that would have been obvious to this group
> and didn't need me to point that out. Maybe I was wrong. :-)

Oh sorry, I assumed you were being serious. It's hard to tell when
someone is joking on Usenet if you don't know them, since there are so
many kooks and crazies around.

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

[Jim Logajan]

Mike Ash > wrote:
> In article >,
> "good grief" > wrote:
>
>> > To quote one of my favorite books: "Can't you recognize bull****?
>> > Don't you think it would be a useful item to add to your
>> > intellectual toolkits to be capable of saying, when a ton of wet
>> > steaming bull**** lands on your head, 'My goodness, this appears to
>> > be bull****'?"
>>
>> I dunno.........I sorta thought that would have been obvious to this
>> group and didn't need me to point that out. Maybe I was wrong. :-)
>
> Oh sorry, I assumed you were being serious. It's hard to tell when
> someone is joking on Usenet if you don't know them, since there are so
> many kooks and crazies around.

When confusion like that happens, it always reminds of this exchange in the
Steve Martin movie "Roxanne":

(Gee, I guess it's online too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EtpDhQ9SoE )

Roxanne Kowalski: "I was being ironic."

C.D. Bales: "Oh, ho, ho, irony! Oh, no, no, we don't get that here. See,
uh, people ski topless here while smoking dope, so irony's not really a, a
high priority. We haven't had any irony here since about, uh, '83, when I
was the only practitioner of it. And I stopped because I was tired of being
stared at."

[Brian Whatcott]

Jim Logajan wrote:
> "good grief" > wrote:
>> http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/7331/53/1/1
>
> Competition for The Onion?
>
> http://www.theonion.com/content/news/investigators_determine_air_france

Yabbut, the Onion story hasn't been circulating in the Kremlin, has it?
Q.E.D!

Brian W

[good grief]

"Mike Ash" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "good grief" > wrote:
>
>> > To quote one of my favorite books: "Can't you recognize bull****? Don't
>> > you think it would be a useful item to add to your intellectual
>> > toolkits
>> > to be capable of saying, when a ton of wet steaming bull**** lands on
>> > your head, 'My goodness, this appears to be bull****'?"
>>
>> I dunno.........I sorta thought that would have been obvious to this
>> group
>> and didn't need me to point that out. Maybe I was wrong. :-)
>
> Oh sorry, I assumed you were being serious. It's hard to tell when
> someone is joking on Usenet if you don't know them, since there are so
> many kooks and crazies around.
>
> --
> Mike Ash
> Radio Free Earth
> Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

No problem.......I've been called both, or worse, at one time or another. ;)
I'd like to tour your broadcast studios sometime.
tonyp

[good grief]

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> "good grief" > wrote:
>> http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/7331/53/1/1
>
> Competition for The Onion?
>
> http://www.theonion.com/content/news/investigators_determine_air_france


........or CBS

[Mike Ash]

In article >,
"good grief" > wrote:

> "Mike Ash" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "good grief" > wrote:
> >
> >> > To quote one of my favorite books: "Can't you recognize bull****? Don't
> >> > you think it would be a useful item to add to your intellectual
> >> > toolkits
> >> > to be capable of saying, when a ton of wet steaming bull**** lands on
> >> > your head, 'My goodness, this appears to be bull****'?"
> >>
> >> I dunno.........I sorta thought that would have been obvious to this
> >> group
> >> and didn't need me to point that out. Maybe I was wrong. :-)
> >
> > Oh sorry, I assumed you were being serious. It's hard to tell when
> > someone is joking on Usenet if you don't know them, since there are so
> > many kooks and crazies around.
>
> No problem.......I've been called both, or worse, at one time or another. ;)
> I'd like to tour your broadcast studios sometime.

Sure, just stop by any time.

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

[Franklin[_7_]]

On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:58:10 GMT, good grief wrote:

> http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/7331/53/1/1

I find this very plausible, thanks for the major update. I will keep you
informed as to my personal observations I u unfold this mystery.

Franklin

[spanky]

On Jul 8, 5:06*pm, Franklin <"Franklin >> wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:58:10 GMT, good grief wrote:
> >http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/7331/53/1/1
>
> I find this very plausible, thanks for the major update. I will keep you
> informed as to my personal observations I u unfold this mystery.
>
> Franklin

....macedoniaonline.eu might not produce terribly plausible work, but
then there's this:

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/16dec_giantbreach.htm

....i offer no editorial insinuations vis a vis AF 447...

S McF

[Franklin[_7_]]

On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:48:11 -0700 (PDT), spanky wrote:

> On Jul 8, 5:06*pm, Franklin <"Franklin >> wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:58:10 GMT, good grief wrote:
>>>http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/7331/53/1/1
>>
>> I find this very plausible, thanks for the major update. I will keep you
>> informed as to my personal observations I u unfold this mystery.
>>
>> Franklin
>
> ...macedoniaonline.eu might not produce terribly plausible work, but
> then there's this:
>
> http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/16dec_giantbreach.htm
>
> ...i offer no editorial insinuations vis a vis AF 447...
>
> S McF

I don't concur, I have sources of information you do not.

Franklin

[Richard[_11_]]

On Jul 9, 2:24*pm, Franklin <"Franklin >> wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:48:11 -0700 (PDT), spanky wrote:
> > On Jul 8, 5:06*pm, Franklin <"Franklin >> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:58:10 GMT, good grief wrote:
> >>>http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/7331/53/1/1
>
> >> I find this very plausible, thanks for the major update. I will keep you
> >> informed as to my personal observations I u unfold this mystery.
>
> >> Franklin
>
> > ...macedoniaonline.eu might not produce terribly plausible work, but
> > then there's this:
>
> >http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/16dec_giantbreach.htm
>
> > ...i offer no editorial insinuations vis a vis AF 447...
>
> > S McF
>
> I don't concur, I have sources of information you do not.
>
> Franklin

On the internet no one knows you're a whack job.

[Franklin[_7_]]

On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:27:43 -0700 (PDT), Richard wrote:

> On Jul 9, 2:24*pm, Franklin <"Franklin >> wrote:
>> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:48:11 -0700 (PDT), spanky wrote:
>>> On Jul 8, 5:06*pm, Franklin <"Franklin >> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:58:10 GMT, good grief wrote:
>>>>>http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/7331/53/1/1
>>
>>>> I find this very plausible, thanks for the major update. I will keep you
>>>> informed as to my personal observations I u unfold this mystery.
>>
>>>> Franklin
>>
>>> ...macedoniaonline.eu might not produce terribly plausible work, but
>>> then there's this:
>>
>>>http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/16dec_giantbreach.htm
>>
>>> ...i offer no editorial insinuations vis a vis AF 447...
>>
>>> S McF
>>
>> I don't concur, I have sources of information you do not.
>>
>> Franklin
>
> On the internet no one knows you're a whack job.

Correct and no one knows aviation and has the contacts better than me.
Sorry if that rankles you.

[Gezellig]

On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:36:36 -0400, Franklin wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:27:43 -0700 (PDT), Richard wrote:
>
>> On Jul 9, 2:24*pm, Franklin <"Franklin >> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:48:11 -0700 (PDT), spanky wrote:
>>>> On Jul 8, 5:06*pm, Franklin <"Franklin >> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:58:10 GMT, good grief wrote:
>>>>>>http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/7331/53/1/1
>>>
>>>>> I find this very plausible, thanks for the major update. I will keep you
>>>>> informed as to my personal observations I u unfold this mystery.
>>>
>>>>> Franklin
>>>
>>>> ...macedoniaonline.eu might not produce terribly plausible work, but
>>>> then there's this:
>>>
>>>>http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/16dec_giantbreach.htm
>>>
>>>> ...i offer no editorial insinuations vis a vis AF 447...
>>>
>>>> S McF
>>>
>>> I don't concur, I have sources of information you do not.
>>>
>>> Franklin
>>
>> On the internet no one knows you're a whack job.
>
> Correct and no one knows aviation and has the contacts better than me.
> Sorry if that rankles you.

We are glad to have you here then.

<crickets>

[Richard[_11_]]

On Jul 10, 7:36*am, Franklin <"Franklin >>
wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:27:43 -0700 (PDT), Richard wrote:
> > On Jul 9, 2:24*pm, Franklin <"Franklin >> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:48:11 -0700 (PDT), spanky wrote:
> >>> On Jul 8, 5:06*pm, Franklin <"Franklin >> wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:58:10 GMT, good grief wrote:
> >>>>>http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/7331/53/1/1
>
> >>>> I find this very plausible, thanks for the major update. I will keep you
> >>>> informed as to my personal observations I u unfold this mystery.
>
> >>>> Franklin
>
> >>> ...macedoniaonline.eu might not produce terribly plausible work, but
> >>> then there's this:
>
> >>>http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/16dec_giantbreach.htm
>
> >>> ...i offer no editorial insinuations vis a vis AF 447...
>
> >>> S McF
>
> >> I don't concur, I have sources of information you do not.
>
> >> Franklin
>
> > On the internet no one knows you're a whack job.
>
> Correct and no one knows aviation and has the contacts better than me.
> Sorry if that rankles you.

Not at all, it amuses me, see also the definition of irony.

Someone didn't put the loon mallet back and now that I need it I can't
find it.

It's all good though!

Please, inform us all of your decades spent working at Groom
Lake....and reverse engineering all manner of fascinating and advanced
alien hardware.

[Franklin[_8_]]

Richard wrote:

> On Jul 10, 7:36*am, Franklin <"Franklin >>
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:27:43 -0700 (PDT), Richard wrote:
>> > On Jul 9, 2:24*pm, Franklin <"Franklin >>
>> > wrote
>:
>> >> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:48:11 -0700 (PDT), spanky wrote:
>> >>> On Jul 8, 5:06*pm, Franklin <"Franklin >>
>> >>> wro
> te:
>> >>>> On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:58:10 GMT, good grief wrote:
>> >>>>>http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/7331/53/1/1
>>
>> >>>> I find this very plausible, thanks for the major update. I will
>> >>>> keep
> you
>> >>>> informed as to my personal observations I u unfold this mystery.
>>
>> >>>> Franklin
>>
>> >>> ...macedoniaonline.eu might not produce terribly plausible work,
>> >>> but then there's this:
>>
>> >>>http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/16dec_giantbreach.htm
>>
>> >>> ...i offer no editorial insinuations vis a vis AF 447...
>>
>> >>> S McF
>>
>> >> I don't concur, I have sources of information you do not.
>>
>> >> Franklin
>>
>> > On the internet no one knows you're a whack job.
>>
>> Correct and no one knows aviation and has the contacts better than
>> me. Sorry if that rankles you.
>
> Not at all, it amuses me, see also the definition of irony.
>
> Someone didn't put the loon mallet back and now that I need it I can't
> find it.
>
> It's all good though!
>
> Please, inform us all of your decades spent working at Groom
> Lake....and reverse engineering all manner of fascinating and advanced
> alien hardware.


Richard, don't waste your time on that sock, "Monkey". The sock belongs to
someone who is now trying to post with a name similar to mine in order to
go around rovoking people such as yourself.

It's a typical kook trick. http://www.searchlores.org/way_kook.htm>

More than just spoofing, "Monkey" likes to hijack real-life identities. he
then weaves a story based half on fact and half on fiction.

AFAICT he's been hanging around the avaiation groups for some time under
various names where he fantasises about being a pilot. He says he used to
work for the Navy Seals and reckons he's in contact with famous special
forces operatives, and so on. SIGH.

When his bluff gets called he isn't able to make a credible reply, so he
tries to put up a vast smokescreen of sock postings to deflect attention.
He seems to spend most of his waking time posting elaborate spoofs and
trolls.

"Monkey" became increasingly destructive in alt.comp.freeware where he had
been posting as "David W". In the end something had to be done. The
anonymous mixmaster server at Gabrix went so far as to block his posts to
a.c.f. I wrote some messages which explained a few of his activities. All
this has left him very embittered.

<http://preview.tinyurl.com/l6ulo3> OR
<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/f2d224687d2c99bb>

<http://preview.tinyurl.com/maghlj> OR
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/3d5703183eab2b11>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]]

Eeyore > wrote in
:

>
>
> george wrote:
>
>> On Jul 5, 10:16 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>> > Nope, wrong again fjukkktard.
>>
>> :-)
>> For some strange reason the pitot heat prevents the pitot icing up.
>
> Not if there's not enough heat.



Yeh, right fjukkwit, so there wasn't enough heat say s the
planespotter..


>
> Graham
>
>
> --
> due to the hugely increased level of spam please make the obvious
> adjustment to my email address
>
>

How wil that prevent you form spamming luser boi?


Bertie
>