Startup, runup, shutdown, turns and landings - 2 videos

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Monkeying around with my new camera today as well as warming up the
engine for an oil change that was due.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki79yX4bhJ4

This video that shows my startup, runup and shutdown procedures.
Entire video is on the ground. Text overlay's explain "why I did do
what I do" Any comments to improving what I do always most
appreciated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqOaE8uG1Eg

This video is my takeoff, contact with KJAN approach, various types of
turns and three landings. The last landing in this video is my best I
have captured on video to date.

[D Ramapriya]

On Jul 25, 4:15*am, " > wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqOaE8uG1Eg
>
> This video is my takeoff, contact with KJAN approach, various types of
> turns and three landings. *The last landing in this video is my best I
> have captured on video to date.


Nice videos, as usual. Just one little question. ISTR that there's a
FAA reg which states that Vref needs to be 30% above Vso on the
threshold. Since the stall warning came on just ere each of three
landings, were you closer to Vso than 30%? Or am I missing something?

Thanks in advance,

Ramapriya

[BeechSundowner]

On Jul 25, 4:16*am, Clark > wrote:
> D Ramapriya > wrote in news:0ae3a0aa-b600-4f76-8187-
> :
>
> > On Jul 25, 4:15*am, " > wrote:
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqOaE8uG1Eg
>
> >> This video is my takeoff, contact with KJAN approach, various types of
> >> turns and three landings. *The last landing in this video is my best I
> >> have captured on video to date.
>
> > Nice videos, as usual. Just one little question. ISTR that there's a
> > FAA reg which states that Vref needs to be 30% above Vso on the
> > threshold. Since the stall warning came on just ere each of three
> > landings, were you closer to Vso than 30%? Or am I missing something?
>
> I'm sure Alan can/will respond but I'll throw in my 0.02 anyway. :-)
>
> 1.3Vso is recommended for approach. It isn't a FAR reg as far as I know. That
> said, it is standard procedure to land a single engine aircraft at/about Vso.
> Landing is simply rounding out the descent and then holding the aircraft off
> the ground +/- 1 foot until it quits flying. It is much easier to type the
> description than to execute it. Anyway, the stall warning should be on when
> the wheels touch. In my aircraft, the stall warning activates about 10 kts
> above stall so it is frequently on in the round out.
>
> Look at it from the other side. If the aircraft is above Vso at touch down
> then the aircraft is much more likely to bounce. Bounces are very bad since
> they tend to lead to a nose low attitude and damage to the aircraft. If you
> always touchdown at or slightly below Vso then you won't bounce.
>
> Perhaps the part that bothers you is the approach is flown at 1.3Vso and the
> landing is at Vso. For a pilot, that is no big deal. Just pull the throttle
> back at the appropriate time and fly the roundout. The airspeed takes care of
> itself. For a new to you aircraft, a few practice landings is all it takes to
> get the timing right. If a pilot wants to cheat a bit then they leave a
> little power in to help break the descent and cushion the landing.
>
> Anyway, Alan did good. Sure he got slow on the second approach. No big deal,
> it happens to all of us. Push the nose down and give it a little more power
> then kick ourself in the butt and remember pitch for airspeed, power for
> glideslope, trim is your friend. That last landing looked like a work of art,
> the camera didn't even jiggle.
> ---
> there should be a "sig" here

I would have to agree with Clark, I hear of the 1.3 Vso number which
definitely wouldn't be "30 percent" (more like 13 percent if I have my
math correct?).

One thing to note is the outer scale of my ASI is in MPH and inner
scale is knots. I read off knots in my airspeed readbacks.

Could that be causing confusion for Ramapriya???

Clark,

I normally do 78 knot finals and another person was busting my chops
so I figured to do the book value which almost bit me on that second
approach.

Probably a rare video to see that show how to correct the slow
airspeed problem in the "real world" as you can see the cowling
lowered and stall horn a split second later stop sounding.

[D Ramapriya]

On Jul 25, 12:16*pm, Clark > wrote:
>
> 1.3Vso is recommended for approach. It isn't a FAR reg as far as I know. That
> said, it is standard procedure to land a single engine aircraft at/about Vso.
> Landing is simply rounding out the descent and then holding the aircraft off
> the ground +/- 1 foot until it quits flying. It is much easier to type the
> description than to execute it. Anyway, the stall warning should be on when
> the wheels touch. In my aircraft, the stall warning activates about 10 kts
> above stall so it is frequently on in the round out.
>
> Look at it from the other side. If the aircraft is above Vso at touch down
> then the aircraft is much more likely to bounce. Bounces are very bad since
> they tend to lead to a nose low attitude and damage to the aircraft. If you
> always touchdown at or slightly below Vso then you won't bounce.
>
> Perhaps the part that bothers you is the approach is flown at 1.3Vso and the
> landing is at Vso.


My bad actually - I mistook the approach speed for touchdown speed!
I'm not a pilot and it shows :)

Thanks a lot,

Ramapriya

[Gezellig]

On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:55:46 -0700 (PDT), D Ramapriya wrote:

> On Jul 25, 12:16*pm, Clark > wrote:
>>
>> 1.3Vso is recommended for approach. It isn't a FAR reg as far as I know. That
>> said, it is standard procedure to land a single engine aircraft at/about Vso.
>> Landing is simply rounding out the descent and then holding the aircraft off
>> the ground +/- 1 foot until it quits flying. It is much easier to type the
>> description than to execute it. Anyway, the stall warning should be on when
>> the wheels touch. In my aircraft, the stall warning activates about 10 kts
>> above stall so it is frequently on in the round out.
>>
>> Look at it from the other side. If the aircraft is above Vso at touch down
>> then the aircraft is much more likely to bounce. Bounces are very bad since
>> they tend to lead to a nose low attitude and damage to the aircraft. If you
>> always touchdown at or slightly below Vso then you won't bounce.
>>
>> Perhaps the part that bothers you is the approach is flown at 1.3Vso and the
>> landing is at Vso.
>
> My bad actually - I mistook the approach speed for touchdown speed!
> I'm not a pilot and it shows :)
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Ramapriya

You ask good questions though.

[BeechSundowner]

On Jul 25, 10:25*am, Gezellig > wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:55:46 -0700 (PDT), D Ramapriya wrote:
> > On Jul 25, 12:16*pm, Clark > wrote:
>
> >> 1.3Vso is recommended for approach. It isn't a FAR reg as far as I know. That
> >> said, it is standard procedure to land a single engine aircraft at/about Vso.
> >> Landing is simply rounding out the descent and then holding the aircraft off
> >> the ground +/- 1 foot until it quits flying. It is much easier to type the
> >> description than to execute it. Anyway, the stall warning should be on when
> >> the wheels touch. In my aircraft, the stall warning activates about 10 kts
> >> above stall so it is frequently on in the round out.
>
> >> Look at it from the other side. If the aircraft is above Vso at touch down
> >> then the aircraft is much more likely to bounce. Bounces are very bad since
> >> they tend to lead to a nose low attitude and damage to the aircraft. If you
> >> always touchdown at or slightly below Vso then you won't bounce.
>
> >> Perhaps the part that bothers you is the approach is flown at 1.3Vso and the
> >> landing is at Vso.
>
> > My bad actually - I mistook the approach speed for touchdown speed!
> > I'm not a pilot and it shows :)
>
> > Thanks a lot,
>
> > Ramapriya
>
> You ask good questions though.

Agree!

Especially when it makes me think "back to basics" and keeps me from
taking things for granted.

[Gezellig]

On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:45:05 -0700 (PDT), BeechSundowner wrote:

> On Jul 25, 10:25*am, Gezellig > wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:55:46 -0700 (PDT), D Ramapriya wrote:
>>> On Jul 25, 12:16*pm, Clark > wrote:
>>
>>>> 1.3Vso is recommended for approach. It isn't a FAR reg as far as I know. That
>>>> said, it is standard procedure to land a single engine aircraft at/about Vso.
>>>> Landing is simply rounding out the descent and then holding the aircraft off
>>>> the ground +/- 1 foot until it quits flying. It is much easier to type the
>>>> description than to execute it. Anyway, the stall warning should be on when
>>>> the wheels touch. In my aircraft, the stall warning activates about 10 kts
>>>> above stall so it is frequently on in the round out.
>>
>>>> Look at it from the other side. If the aircraft is above Vso at touch down
>>>> then the aircraft is much more likely to bounce. Bounces are very bad since
>>>> they tend to lead to a nose low attitude and damage to the aircraft. If you
>>>> always touchdown at or slightly below Vso then you won't bounce.
>>
>>>> Perhaps the part that bothers you is the approach is flown at 1.3Vso and the
>>>> landing is at Vso.
>>
>>> My bad actually - I mistook the approach speed for touchdown speed!
>>> I'm not a pilot and it shows :)
>>
>>> Thanks a lot,
>>
>>> Ramapriya
>>
>> You ask good questions though.
>
> Agree!
>
> Especially when it makes me think "back to basics" and keeps me from
> taking things for granted.

Which you demonstrated by performing your checklists by the book.