Understanding the splices in AC43.13

[mhorowit]

I’m trying to understand Figures 4.45, and have a question about a
technique shown in 4.44.

First, 4.44 – here they show fabricating an inner tube by cutting,
reforming and welding outer tube material. Is there any reason this
can’t be done with round tubing if one can’t locate the correct size
inner tubing for an internal splice?

Second, 4.45 – are they showing cutting slots in the outer tubing?
In the lower drawing what is that streamline shape illustrating?

Thanks for your time - Mike

[Stealth Pilot[_2_]]

On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 05:19:21 -0700 (PDT), mhorowit >
wrote:

>
> I’m trying to understand Figures 4.45, and have a question about a
>technique shown in 4.44.
>
> First, 4.44 – here they show fabricating an inner tube by cutting,
>reforming and welding outer tube material. Is there any reason this
>can’t be done with round tubing if one can’t locate the correct size
>inner tubing for an internal splice?

my answer. yes, the reason is that the round tubing isnt used here is
that it isnt stiff enough and would provide only line contact. you may
as well just use a piece of flat for all that achieves. the use of a
streamline tube inside a streamline tube provides full support for the
damaged wall and it also provides the necessary wall contact for the
rosette welds.
streamline tube might be about $35 a foot but I'm sure aircraft spruce
can sell you a foot or so.

if you look carefully you will notice that the repair is made in the
same size streamline tube as what you are trying to repair. you cut it
at 80% of the chord, heat it and persuade it into a shape that will
slide neatly into the other tube, then weld the back edge up again.

>
> Second, 4.45 – are they showing cutting slots in the outer tubing?
>In the lower drawing what is that streamline shape illustrating?
>
the top view is from the wide side, the lower view is from the narrow
side and all it really shows is the appearance of the end of the
oblique slice through the tube. the left most illustration at the top
is an end on view of the tube showing how the plates protrude through
each side.
that method of repair uses two plates slotted into the streamline
tube. each plate is made slightly wider (not thicker, wider) than the
slot it goes into.

mike what you are trying to achieve with each of these welds is a
repair that will resist the buckling under compression that an
undercarriage strut will see.
round tube would simply not provide the necessary buckling resistance.

I should imagine that there are a few failed undercarriage struts
behind those recommendations.
Stealth Pilot

[Mike[_19_]]

On Aug 5, 9:34*am, Stealth Pilot >
wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 05:19:21 -0700 (PDT), mhorowit >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > * I’m trying to understand Figures 4.45, and have a question about a
> >technique shown in 4.44.
>
> > * First, 4.44 – here they show fabricating an inner tube by cutting,
> >reforming and welding outer tube material. Is there any reason this
> >can’t be done with round tubing if one can’t locate the correct size
> >inner tubing for an internal splice?
>
> my answer. yes, the reason is that the round tubing isnt used here is
> that it isnt stiff enough and would provide only line contact. you may
> as well just use a piece of flat for all that achieves. the use of a
> streamline tube inside a streamline tube provides full support for the
> damaged wall and it also provides the necessary wall contact for the
> rosette welds.
> streamline tube might be about $35 a foot but I'm sure aircraft spruce
> can sell you a foot or so.
>
> if you look carefully you will notice that the repair is made in the
> same size streamline tube as what you are trying to repair. you cut it
> at 80% of the chord, heat it and persuade it into a shape that will
> slide neatly into the other tube, then weld the back edge up again.
>
>
>
> > * Second, 4.45 – are they showing cutting slots in the outer tubing?
> >In the lower drawing what is that streamline shape illustrating?
>
> the top view is from the wide side, the lower view is from the narrow
> side and all it really shows is the appearance of the end of the
> oblique slice through the tube. the left most illustration at the top
> is an end on view of the tube showing how the plates protrude through
> each side.
> that method of repair uses two plates slotted into the streamline
> tube. each plate is made slightly wider (not thicker, wider) than the
> slot it goes into.
>
> mike what you are trying to achieve with each of these welds is a
> repair that will resist the buckling under compression that an
> undercarriage strut will see.
> round tube would simply not provide the necessary buckling resistance.
>
> I should imagine that there are a few failed undercarriage struts
> behind those recommendations.
> Stealth Pilot

Hi Stealth - thanks for the reply. In the first example I apparently
wasn't clear - I was generalizing from one example to another.
In other words, if you can cut/form/weld using streamlined tubing, is
there any reason I can't cut/form/weld for round tubing? - Mike

[Stealth Pilot[_2_]]

On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:41:55 -0700 (PDT), Mike >
wrote:

>On Aug 5, 9:34*am, Stealth Pilot >
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 05:19:21 -0700 (PDT), mhorowit >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > * I’m trying to understand Figures 4.45, and have a question about a
>> >technique shown in 4.44.
>>
>> > * First, 4.44 – here they show fabricating an inner tube by cutting,
>> >reforming and welding outer tube material. Is there any reason this
>> >can’t be done with round tubing if one can’t locate the correct size
>> >inner tubing for an internal splice?
>>

>
>Hi Stealth - thanks for the reply. In the first example I apparently
>wasn't clear - I was generalizing from one example to another.
>In other words, if you can cut/form/weld using streamlined tubing, is
>there any reason I can't cut/form/weld for round tubing? - Mike

there no reason at all. it is the wall thickness that matters not how
it was formed. just dont hurry the work do it neatly.

on my Auster we didnt have round tubing so the repair was formed from
flat sheet. heated to red heat 4130 becomes quite plastic and is
easily formed.

if you ever get to see the back end of a bucker jungman (rudder and
fin) you'll see beautifully tapered tubes all formed by taking a slice
out of the tube and then beating it down almost conical. beautiful
stuff.

Stealth Pilot