Video clip from the Sunship Game

[Guy Byars[_2_]]

Here is one of my favorite video clips from "The Sunship Game"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivmJiwqlfSg

It has a good soundtrack and lots of action. I especially liked
watching all the interesting vintage 1960s cars, trailers and related
gear pulling into Marfa for the 1969 contest.

[ventus2[_2_]]

The only thing that has remained constant that clip is the Cessna.
Everything else has evolved.
:-)

[Jim Beckman[_2_]]

At 21:55 09 August 2009, ventus2 wrote:
>The only thing that has remained constant that clip is the Cessna.
>Everything else has evolved.
>:-)

I dunno. Has anybody ever built a more beautiful
sailplane than the Libelle?

Jim Beckman

[Guy Byars[_2_]]

On Aug 9, 5:55*pm, "ventus2" > wrote:
> The only thing that has remained constant that clip is the Cessna.
> Everything else has evolved.

Everything? I don't know, a crew woman in a bikini seems the pinnacle
of evolution to me.

[[email protected][_2_]]

On Aug 10, 6:00*am, Jim Beckman > wrote:
> At 21:55 09 August 2009, ventus2 wrote:
>
> >The only thing that has remained constant that clip is the Cessna.
> >Everything else has evolved.
> >:-)
>
> I dunno. *Has anybody ever built a more beautiful
> sailplane than the Libelle?
>
> Jim Beckman

Yes. LS6. But I'm biased...

Cheers,

66

[Uncle Fuzzy]

On Aug 10, 10:53*am, " >
wrote:
> On Aug 10, 6:00*am, Jim Beckman > wrote:
>
> > At 21:55 09 August 2009, ventus2 wrote:
>
> > >The only thing that has remained constant that clip is the Cessna.
> > >Everything else has evolved.
> > >:-)
>
> > I dunno. *Has anybody ever built a more beautiful
> > sailplane than the Libelle?
>
> > Jim Beckman
>
> Yes. *LS6. *But I'm biased...
>
> Cheers,
>
> 66

Where can I get a copy of the movie?? I've never seen it.

[T8]

On Aug 10, 4:23 pm, Uncle Fuzzy > wrote:
> On Aug 10, 10:53 am, " >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 10, 6:00 am, Jim Beckman > wrote:
>
> > > At 21:55 09 August 2009, ventus2 wrote:
>
> > > >The only thing that has remained constant that clip is the Cessna.
> > > >Everything else has evolved.
> > > >:-)
>
> > > I dunno. Has anybody ever built a more beautiful
> > > sailplane than the Libelle?
>
> > > Jim Beckman
>
> > Yes. LS6. But I'm biased...
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > 66
>
> Where can I get a copy of the movie?? I've never seen it.

Call these guys on the phone http://www.directcinema.com/index.htm,
they used to have it on VHS, but it wasn't on the web site.

If that doesn't work, I'd try Burt Compton at Marfa Gliders.

It'll be worth your while. I hope one of these days it turns up on
DVD or bluray.

-Evan Ludeman / T8

[ContestID67[_2_]]

The last I heard (many times over many years) is that the movie can't
be licensed because the Bee Gees sound track was never authorized.

Still, it is a very well made MOVIE, rather than simply a
documentary. A "Fine Week of Soaring" is a great documentary and I
love to watch it. But Sunship games is in a different class
altogether.

- John

[Frank Whiteley]

On Aug 10, 8:52*pm, ContestID67 > wrote:
> The last I heard (many times over many years) is that the movie can't
> be licensed because the Bee Gees sound track was never authorized.
>
> Still, it is a very well made MOVIE, rather than simply a
> documentary. *A "Fine Week of Soaring" is a great documentary and I
> love to watch it. *But Sunship games is in a different class
> altogether.
>
> - John

'Soaring the Saguaros' is another very good 'about soaring' production
that had some sound track issues. Good video if you can find one.

Frank Whiteley

[Oscar Alonso]

On Aug 10, 1:23*pm, Uncle Fuzzy > wrote:
> On Aug 10, 10:53*am, " >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 10, 6:00*am, Jim Beckman > wrote:
>
> > > At 21:55 09 August 2009, ventus2 wrote:
>
> > > >The only thing that has remained constant that clip is the Cessna.
> > > >Everything else has evolved.
> > > >:-)
>
> > > I dunno. *Has anybody ever built a more beautiful
> > > sailplane than the Libelle?
>
> > > Jim Beckman
>
> > Yes. *LS6. *But I'm biased...
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > 66
>
> Where can I get a copy of the movie?? I've never seen it.

Try searching for zoozle for: "The Sunship Game"

http://www.zoozle.org/

[Free Flight 107]

On Aug 11, 8:19*am, Oscar Alonso > wrote:
> On Aug 10, 1:23*pm, Uncle Fuzzy > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 10, 10:53*am, " >
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 10, 6:00*am, Jim Beckman > wrote:
>
> > > > At 21:55 09 August 2009, ventus2 wrote:
>
> > > > >The only thing that has remained constant that clip is the Cessna.
> > > > >Everything else has evolved.
> > > > >:-)
>
> > > > I dunno. *Has anybody ever built a more beautiful
> > > > sailplane than the Libelle?
>
> > > > Jim Beckman
>
> > > Yes. *LS6. *But I'm biased...
>
> > > Cheers,
>
> > > 66
>
> > Where can I get a copy of the movie?? I've never seen it.
>
> Try searching for zoozle for: *"The Sunship Game"
>
> http://www.zoozle.org/- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Try http://www.torrentportal.com/torrents-search.php?search=%22The+Sunship+Game%22

3 to choose from. Greatest Glider movie ever made. Saw it first at the
Air Sailing XC Camp at ASI Reno this summer. And yes the 4 constants
are; Girls in Bikinis, Libelles, Cessnas, and doing ANYTHING TO WIN!

FreeFlight Wayne

[Ed Winchester[_2_]]

All,

I tried the zoozle link, and it just takes you to a service that you
have to pay for. I decided it was worth it, so I paid, only to find
that The Sunship Game wasn't available anywhere. I feel somewhat
scammed by this post.

The second link, at torrentportal, doesn't find this movie either. How
are you guys doing this?

Ed


Free Flight 107 wrote:
> On Aug 11, 8:19 am, Oscar Alonso > wrote:
>> On Aug 10, 1:23 pm, Uncle Fuzzy > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 10, 10:53 am, " >
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Aug 10, 6:00 am, Jim Beckman > wrote:
>>>>> At 21:55 09 August 2009, ventus2 wrote:
>>>>>> The only thing that has remained constant that clip is the Cessna.
>>>>>> Everything else has evolved.
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>> I dunno. Has anybody ever built a more beautiful
>>>>> sailplane than the Libelle?
>>>>> Jim Beckman
>>>> Yes. LS6. But I'm biased...
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 66
>>> Where can I get a copy of the movie?? I've never seen it.
>> Try searching for zoozle for: "The Sunship Game"
>>
>> http://www.zoozle.org/- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Try http://www.torrentportal.com/torrents-search.php?search=%22The+Sunship+Game%22
>
> 3 to choose from. Greatest Glider movie ever made. Saw it first at the
> Air Sailing XC Camp at ASI Reno this summer. And yes the 4 constants
> are; Girls in Bikinis, Libelles, Cessnas, and doing ANYTHING TO WIN!
>
> FreeFlight Wayne

[Guy Byars[_2_]]

On Aug 11, 12:47*pm, Free Flight 107 > wrote:
> On Aug 11, 8:19*am, Oscar Alonso > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 10, 1:23*pm, Uncle Fuzzy > wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 10, 10:53*am, " >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 10, 6:00*am, Jim Beckman > wrote:
>
> > > > > At 21:55 09 August 2009, ventus2 wrote:
>
> > > > > >The only thing that has remained constant that clip is the Cessna.
> > > > > >Everything else has evolved.
> > > > > >:-)
>
> > > > > I dunno. *Has anybody ever built a more beautiful
> > > > > sailplane than the Libelle?
>
> > > > > Jim Beckman
>
> > > > Yes. *LS6. *But I'm biased...
>
> > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > 66
>
> > > Where can I get a copy of the movie?? I've never seen it.
>
> > Try searching for zoozle for: *"The Sunship Game"
>
> >http://www.zoozle.org/-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Tryhttp://www.torrentportal.com/torrents-search.php?search=%22The+Sunshi...
>
> 3 to choose from. Greatest Glider movie ever made. Saw it first at the
> Air Sailing XC Camp at ASI Reno this summer. And yes the 4 constants
> are; Girls in Bikinis, Libelles, Cessnas, and doing ANYTHING TO WIN!
>
> FreeFlight Wayne- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I was at that contest when I was 11 years old. Alas, too young to
fully appreciate Libelles, Cessnas or even Girls in Bikinis.

[tienshanman]

I also cannot seem to find a way to download this video. I've tried the various bit torrent routes but either it's not working or I'm too dense to figure it out. I really want this film! It seems to hark back to an age I'd love to get a glimpse of. Looking for a simplified way to get it.

[TonyV[_2_]]

tienshanman wrote:
> .... I really want this film! It seems to hark back to an
> age I'd love to get a glimpse of.

Yeah, like the shot of the guy smoking a cigarette - in flight.

Tony

[mike]

LOL on take off no less. Many pilots back then use to smoke while they
flew. Ashtrays in sailplanes, just imagine, but it is true.

On Aug 13, 8:00*pm, TonyV > wrote:
> tienshanman wrote:
> > .... I really want this film! It seems to hark back to an
> > age I'd love to get a glimpse of.
>
> Yeah, like the shot of the guy smoking a cigarette - in flight.
>
> Tony

[bildan]

On Aug 9, 3:55*pm, "ventus2" > wrote:
> The only thing that has remained constant that clip is the Cessna.
> Everything else has evolved.
> :-)

Interesting observation.

Gliders evolved and Cessna's remained dinosaurs. I think we have
racing to thank for that. Racing improves the breed.

[TonyV[_2_]]

bildan wrote:
> On Aug 9, 3:55 pm, "ventus2" > wrote:
>> The only thing that has remained constant that clip is the Cessna.
>> Everything else has evolved.
>> :-)
>
> Interesting observation.
>
> Gliders evolved and Cessna's remained dinosaurs. I think we have
> racing to thank for that. Racing improves the breed.

Yeah, but that doesn't account for the fact that the cars in the movie
have evolved too. The single engine airplane (and light twin) world is
still mucking with fuel mixtures, prop speeds, cowl flaps, manual waste
gates, and the like. Gimme a break!

Tony

[John Cochrane]

> > Gliders evolved and Cessna's remained dinosaurs. *I think we have
> > racing to thank for that. *Racing improves the breed.
>
> Yeah, but that doesn't account for the fact that the cars in the movie
> have evolved too. The single engine airplane (and light twin) world is
> still mucking with fuel mixtures, prop speeds, cowl flaps, manual waste
> gates, and the like. Gimme a break!
>

What we have to thank for that is the wonders of government "safety"
regulation. Car engines and parts are much more reliable than aviation
engines, which are stuck in 1950s -- but "certified" technology. It's
not worth it to certify new designs so we get stuck with the old ones.
Ultralights and light sport seem finally to be using modern technology
-- because they don't have to spend a million bucks certifying it with
the FAA.

John Cochrane

[Brad[_2_]]

On Aug 20, 5:51*pm, John Cochrane >
wrote:
> > > Gliders evolved and Cessna's remained dinosaurs. *I think we have
> > > racing to thank for that. *Racing improves the breed.
>
> > Yeah, but that doesn't account for the fact that the cars in the movie
> > have evolved too. The single engine airplane (and light twin) world is
> > still mucking with fuel mixtures, prop speeds, cowl flaps, manual waste
> > gates, and the like. Gimme a break!
>
> What we have to thank for that is the wonders of government "safety"
> regulation. Car engines and parts are much more reliable than aviation
> engines, which are stuck in 1950s -- but "certified" technology. It's
> not worth it to certify new designs so we get stuck with the old ones.
> Ultralights and light sport seem finally to be using modern technology
> -- because they don't have to spend a million bucks certifying it with
> the FAA.
>
> John Cochrane

It will be interesting to see what becomes of Danny Howells attempts
to certify the LightHawk sailplane. If anyone has the wherewithall to
do it it is him, and the LightHawk is an amazing machine.

I wish him the best.

Brad

[TonyV[_2_]]

John Cochrane wrote:
>>> Gliders evolved and Cessna's remained dinosaurs. I think we have
>>> racing to thank for that. Racing improves the breed.
>> Yeah, but that doesn't account for the fact that the cars in the movie
>> have evolved too. The single engine airplane (and light twin) world is
>> still mucking with fuel mixtures, prop speeds, cowl flaps, manual waste
>> gates, and the like. Gimme a break!
>>
>
> What we have to thank for that is the wonders of government "safety"
> regulation. Car engines and parts are much more reliable than aviation
> engines, which are stuck in 1950s -- but "certified" technology. It's
> not worth it to certify new designs so we get stuck with the old ones.
> Ultralights and light sport seem finally to be using modern technology
> -- because they don't have to spend a million bucks certifying it with
> the FAA.


There are some hopeful signs in this direction. The general aviation
press is starting to talk about FADEC
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FADEC) retrofits for the general aviation
airplane engine. If, as is likely, 100LL fuel is to disappear, the
larger engines will require some type of electronic engine control. Off
topic, I know, sorry.

Tony, LS6-b "6N"

[Alan[_6_]]

In article > TonyV > writes:

>There are some hopeful signs in this direction. The general aviation
>press is starting to talk about FADEC
>(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FADEC) retrofits for the general aviation
>airplane engine. If, as is likely, 100LL fuel is to disappear, the
>larger engines will require some type of electronic engine control. Off
>topic, I know, sorry.

And we will probably lose a bunch of the GA fleet with engines that cannot
be modified at an affordable price. This will probably include a lot of tow
planes. The others will need to pay for the new engine or new engine controls,
and you can expect that to add to the price of tows.

As long as they last, the dinosaurs are doing the job. 30 years ago the
Cessna could haul me 400 miles each way for a weekend without a problem.
Nowdays it still can (except for the frightening price of fuel to do the
trip). For that purpose, the glider has not caught up.

Alan

[Alan[_6_]]

In article > John Cochrane > writes:

>What we have to thank for that is the wonders of government "safety"
>regulation. Car engines and parts are much more reliable than aviation
>engines, which are stuck in 1950s -- but "certified" technology. It's
>not worth it to certify new designs so we get stuck with the old ones.

Cars have been forced into modern ages by government safety requirements,
by government emissions reqirements, and a host of other non-market-driven
reqirements.

Market competition, drove some other development.

But, aircraft are stuck with FAA certification.

So government regulation has helped cars, but hindered aircraft. It sounds
strange, but is probably true.


>Ultralights and light sport seem finally to be using modern technology
>-- because they don't have to spend a million bucks certifying it with
>the FAA.

But the Light Sport still suffer from nasty requirements relative to
modifications. You can't just get a 337 for a modification, it has to
be approved as an approved option by the manufacturer.


>John Cochrane


Even with all the age of aircraft technology, I don't think that is
what has been killing general aviation. In fact, continuing to use the
older equipment has probably prevented total collapse. With the cost of
purchasing and operating newer aircraft, the old stuff looks pretty good.

Once we are there, we see avgas at $5/gal and up, and look at the fuel
consumption of the 172 at about 9 g/h = $45/hour just for fuel.

More cost, less fun. And one wonders why the airports seem devoid of
activity...


Alan

[Bob McKellar]

"Alan" > wrote in message
...
> In article > TonyV
> > writes:
>
>>There are some hopeful signs in this direction. The general aviation
>>press is starting to talk about FADEC
>>(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FADEC) retrofits for the general aviation
>>airplane engine. If, as is likely, 100LL fuel is to disappear, the
>>larger engines will require some type of electronic engine control. Off
>>topic, I know, sorry.
>
> And we will probably lose a bunch of the GA fleet with engines that
> cannot
> be modified at an affordable price. This will probably include a lot of
> tow
> planes. The others will need to pay for the new engine or new engine
> controls,
> and you can expect that to add to the price of tows.
>
> As long as they last, the dinosaurs are doing the job. 30 years ago the
> Cessna could haul me 400 miles each way for a weekend without a problem.
> Nowdays it still can (except for the frightening price of fuel to do the
> trip). For that purpose, the glider has not caught up.
>
> Alan

My club's Pawnee runs on autogas, and I suspect so do a lot of others.

Bob McKellar

[Frank Whiteley]

On Aug 21, 6:22*am, "Bob McKellar" > wrote:
> "Alan" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > In article > TonyV
> > > writes:
>
> >>There are some hopeful signs in this direction. The general aviation
> >>press is starting to talk about FADEC
> >>(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FADEC) retrofits for the general aviation
> >>airplane engine. If, as is likely, 100LL fuel is to disappear, the
> >>larger engines will require some type of electronic engine control. Off
> >>topic, I know, sorry.
>
> > *And we will probably lose a bunch of the GA fleet with engines that
> > cannot
> > be modified at an affordable price. *This will probably include a lot of
> > tow
> > planes. *The others will need to pay for the new engine or new engine
> > controls,
> > and you can expect that to add to the price of tows.
>
> > *As long as they last, the dinosaurs are doing the job. *30 years ago the
> > Cessna could haul me 400 miles each way for a weekend without a problem..
> > Nowdays it still can (except for the frightening price of fuel to do the
> > trip). *For that purpose, the glider has not caught up.
>
> > Alan
>
> My club's Pawnee runs on autogas, and I suspect so do a lot of others.
>
> Bob McKellar

Not if it's a D model.

Frank Whiteley