Smoking, etc. in cockpit

[Robert Gaines[_2_]]

There were people that chewed tobacco in cockpit. A friend with a Libelle
had no can for spit. Those Texans were tough hombres.
GA

[jcarlyle]

Guess that's better than smoking weed to "get high and stay high"...

-John

On Aug 14, 9:15 am, Robert Gaines >
wrote:
> There were people that chewed tobacco in cockpit. A friend with a Libelle
> had no can for spit. Those Texans were tough hombres.
> GA

[vontresc]

On Aug 14, 8:15*am, Robert Gaines >
wrote:
> *There were people that chewed tobacco in cockpit. A friend with a Libelle
> had no can for spit. Those Texans were tough hombres.
> GA

Hmmmm I hope he doesn't use his pee tube to empty his spitoon :-)

[Papa3]

On Aug 14, 10:03*am, vontresc > wrote:
> On Aug 14, 8:15*am, Robert Gaines >
> wrote:
>
> > *There were people that chewed tobacco in cockpit. A friend with a Libelle
> > had no can for spit. Those Texans were tough hombres.
> > GA

One of our local legends, Bob Fitch, used to smoke cigarettes (forget
the brand, maybe Belairs?) in his glider. I was flying behind him on
final glide into Elmira one day when the glider started some really
crazy pitch and roll departures from level. Turned out he dropped a
lit one down around where his pee tube should be if you get my
drift...

P3

[Robert Gaines[_2_]]

Many years ago, there was a 2-22 in Northern Mississippi. It was nothing
but frame. No skin. Seems a cigarette was dropped and it caught fire in
flight.
GA




>One of our local legends, Bob Fitch, used to smoke cigarettes (forget
>the brand, maybe Belairs?) in his glider. I was flying behind him on
>final glide into Elmira one day when the glider started some really
>crazy pitch and roll departures from level. Turned out he dropped a
>lit one down around where his pee tube should be if you get my
>drift...
>
>P3
>
>

[Frank Whiteley]

Worth repeating. Many years ago in the UK, a Std Cirrus pilot
apparently dropped his lighter into the front of the cockpit, undid
his straps to recover it, and PIO'd himself out through the canopy.
Parachute worked though.

Frank Whiteley

[Alistair Wright]

After all these tales of disastrous happenings to cockpit smokers, how about
a funny one:

Many many years ago I had a syndicate Olympia. One of the members was an
inveterate smoker who persisted in smoking while flying. We tried to
dissuade him, what with all that wood and dope around, but he carried on
doing it. He had the last laugh though. One day he set off on a Silver
distance attempt from our airfield near Stoke on Trent, heading east in a
blustery westerly blowing about 30kts. He was seen to climb to about 3000ft
and disappeared over the horizon while doing it. Nothing was heard for quite
some time, till we got a phone call (no mobiles or radio in those days)
saying he had landed out near Nottingham, not Leicester East which he had
declared. When we got to him it turned out that, due to his speed over the
ground, at no time during the flight had he any idea how far he had gone or
indeed where he was, because in the confines of the somewhat cramped Oly
cockpit he wasn't able to open his map properly and had torn it trying.
Eventually he had looked down and there below him he saw a building which
seemed very familiar. He circled round it and when the penny dropped, he
remembered where he had seen this building before. At that time (the 1960s)
the firm that made his ciggys (the W H & D O Wills outfit which included
the famous Philip as a member) printed a picture of Nottingham Castle on the
back of their cigarette packets ('cos that was where they were made). He
fished out his fag packet, and sure enough he now knew exactly where he was
and it was far enough for Silver. It was impossible to stop him taking his
fags with him thereafter.

Alistair Wright
Melrose

[Bob Kuykendall]

There's that scene in The Sunship Game where Gleb opens the sliding
window in the canopy of his Cirrus and flicks out a cigarette butt...

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:52:58 -0700, Frank Whiteley wrote:

> Worth repeating. Many years ago in the UK, a Std Cirrus pilot
> apparently dropped his lighter into the front of the cockpit, undid his
> straps to recover it, and PIO'd himself out through the canopy.
> Parachute worked though.
>
Did this happen more than once or is it apocryphal?

I ask this because Martin Simons describes an almost identical event at
Waikerie around 1971. See "Sailplanes 1965-2000" page 147.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[Frank Whiteley]

On Aug 14, 8:01*pm, Martin Gregorie >
wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:52:58 -0700, Frank Whiteley wrote:
> > Worth repeating. *Many years ago in the UK, a Std Cirrus pilot
> > apparently dropped his lighter into the front of the cockpit, undid his
> > straps to recover it, and PIO'd himself out through the canopy.
> > Parachute worked though.
>
> Did this happen more than once or is it apocryphal?
>
> I ask this because Martin Simons describes an almost identical event at
> Waikerie around 1971. See "Sailplanes 1965-2000" page 147.
>
> --
> martin@ * | Martin Gregorie
> gregorie. | Essex, UK
> org * * * |

Can't say. Related to me in the late 1970's as a UK incident, but
maybe the provincials still consider OZ part of the empire;^)

Frank

[Mike[_8_]]

On Aug 14, 10:52*pm, Frank Whiteley > wrote:
> On Aug 14, 8:01*pm, Martin Gregorie >
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:52:58 -0700, Frank Whiteley wrote:
> > > Worth repeating. *Many years ago in the UK, a Std Cirrus pilot
> > > apparently dropped his lighter into the front of the cockpit, undid his
> > > straps to recover it, and PIO'd himself out through the canopy.
> > > Parachute worked though.
>
I recall a similar story-Cirrus pilot dropped his screwdriver while
adjusting TE for a vario.




> > Did this happen more than once or is it apocryphal?
>
> > I ask this because Martin Simons describes an almost identical event at
> > Waikerie around 1971. See "Sailplanes 1965-2000" page 147.
>
> > --
> > martin@ * | Martin Gregorie
> > gregorie. | Essex, UK
> > org * * * |
>
> Can't say. *Related to me in the late 1970's as a UK incident, but
> maybe the provincials still consider OZ part of the empire;^)
>
> Frank

[Bernie[_4_]]

FYI:

www.casa.gov.au/fsa/2000/may/07may12-15.pdf

The empire crumbled long ago Frank, let it go.

[Jim Beckman[_2_]]

At 21:42 14 August 2009, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
>There's that scene in The Sunship Game where Gleb opens the sliding
>window in the canopy of his Cirrus and flicks out a cigarette butt...

The idea that folks used to toss cigarette butts out over forested areas
is sort of appalling, isn't it?

Jim Beckman

[Brad[_2_]]

On Aug 15, 5:45*am, Jim Beckman > wrote:
> At 21:42 14 August 2009, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
>
> >There's that scene in The Sunship Game where Gleb opens the sliding
> >window in the canopy of his Cirrus and flicks out a cigarette butt...
>
> The idea that folks used to toss cigarette butts out over forested areas
> is sort of appalling, isn't it? *
>
> Jim Beckman

some idiots in cars still do it!

Brad

[Don Johnstone[_4_]]

At 14:07 15 August 2009, Brad wrote:
>On Aug 15, 5:45=A0am, Jim Beckman wrote:
>> At 21:42 14 August 2009, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
>>
>> >There's that scene in The Sunship Game where Gleb opens the sliding
>> >window in the canopy of his Cirrus and flicks out a cigarette butt...
>>
>> The idea that folks used to toss cigarette butts out over forested
areas
>> is sort of appalling, isn't it? =A0
>>
>> Jim Beckman
>
>some idiots in cars still do it!
>
>Brad

No worse than thermalling over a stubble fire in Slingsbys open cockpit,
wood and fabric, T21, watching lumps of burning straw disappear upwards
past the wingtip. Flying was also a bit difficult what with the coughing
from the smoke and the watery eyes but the lift was incredible.

[Robert Gaines[_2_]]

I have soared in Southern France and Northern Texas.
Texas was over giant stockyard. The odor of cow dung went up several
thousand feet in big thermals.
In sourthern France, the sweet smell of lavender in thermals.
GA

>
>No worse than thermalling over a stubble fire in Slingsbys open cockpit,
>wood and fabric, T21, watching lumps of burning straw disappear upwards
>past the wingtip. Flying was also a bit difficult what with the coughing
>from the smoke and the watery eyes but the lift was incredible.
>

[GM]

On Aug 15, 3:45*pm, Robert Gaines >
wrote:
> *I have soared in Southern France and Northern Texas.
> *Texas was over giant stockyard. *The odor of cow dung went up several
> thousand feet in big thermals.
> *In sourthern France, the sweet smell of lavender in thermals.
> *GA
>

How about the smell - or stench - of crude oil or whatever refineries
release into the air over Denver City, TX. It almost made me gag at
over 8,000ft. The lift was good, though. :-)
Uli Neumann

[sisu1a]

> > *I have soared in Southern France and Northern Texas.
> > *Texas was over giant stockyard. *The odor of cow dung went up several
> > thousand feet in big thermals.
> > *In sourthern France, the sweet smell of lavender in thermals.
> > *GA
>
> How about the smell - or stench - of crude oil or whatever refineries
> release into the air over Denver City, TX. It almost made me gag at
> over 8,000ft. The lift was good, though. :-)
> Uli Neumann

An Open Cirrus I almost bought a few years back only had like 600
original hours on it. Reason it stopped getting flown was it's pilot
was thermalling over some freshly sprayed field (unknown to him...)
and the thermal also carried with it a toxic cocktail of poison-
rendering him with PERMANENT vertigo and grounding him for life. Most
uncool.

Basically if you can smell it you are consuming it on some level, cow
dung (yummy!) lavender, light fraction solvents/refinery byproducts,
paint, pesticide, pot smoke (the ole' thermaling over a concert/
burning man) whatever, so a 'save' may not actually be such in the
long run. Note- very nasty stuff is sprayed on cotton, as it's not a
food crop. I'm sure there are others that get real nasty stuff too,
but even the stuff we spray on our so called food (pfft-conventional
crops...) here is pretty bad too. Thanks Monsanto's!

-Paul

PS. inspired by my hero Gleb, I too used to smoke in my ship- his old
Sisu! It's metal though, and I NEVER threw butts out (the many times
I've watched Sunship I don't recall seeing Gleb do that, I will watch
again...), burning or not. I haven't smoked for 2-1/2 yrs though, and
don't plan on starting again anytime soon!

[SP]

At Tehachapi, back in 1972, we had a 2-32 that had an ashtray
installed. Don't know if it was factory installed or not but it was
one of those chrome flip top lid types. Beirne Lay Jr. (Twelve O'clock
High, etc.) used to come up from LA and fly the 2-32. After he landed,
the ashtray was always jammed full with cigarette butts. Maybe the
ashtray capacity determined how long he could fly!
Steve

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 07:59:44 -0700, GM wrote:

> How about the smell - or stench - of crude oil or whatever refineries
> release into the air over Denver City, TX. It almost made me gag at over
> 8,000ft. The lift was good, though. :-) Uli Neumann
>
I remember getting a good climb off the Stewartby brick kiln. I could see
the smoke travelling horizontally for half a km and then bending sharply
up and going into a nice cloud at 4500 ft, so thought I'd have some of
that. There was absolutely no air movement outside the smoke plume but
there was 5-6 kts inside it all the way to cloud base. The smoke smelt of
burnt diesel oil and hot brick.

It was the only thermal I've centered by sniffing!


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[Jim Beckman[_2_]]

At 19:18 16 August 2009, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>
>It was the only thermal I've centered by sniffing!

The idea glider for that situation would be a 1-26 with the sport canopy
installed.

Jim Beckman

[smithcorp]

On Aug 17, 8:45*pm, Jim Beckman > wrote:
> At 19:18 16 August 2009, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>
>
>
> >It was the only thermal I've centered by sniffing!
>
> The idea glider for that situation would be a 1-26 with the sport canopy
> installed.
>
> Jim Beckman

What a fascinating thread this is! It's info like the stuff that's
been covered in this thread that really makes this newsgroup worth
following.

smith