LSA instructor in airplane singe engine sea

[Danny[_2_]]

If I become an LSA instructor in airplane single engine sea, can I
give dual training and log book endorsements to a private pilot that
is trying to add the class of single engine sea to his certificate? I
looked at the regs and it looks like I would be technically be giving
instruction for someone going after an LSA single engine sea class,
but I think there is an provision that training towards LSA pilot
level, can be use later to go for a private level certificate.

I personally don't see why sea plane training at the LSA level can be
used to get a single engine sea class added to a private. If I held a
regular CFI, I am very sure I could provide private level training in
an LSA aircraft.

Danny Deger

[Robert Moore]

Danny > wrote
> but I think there is an provision that training towards LSA pilot
> level, can be use later to go for a private level certificate.

YES...but only if given by a "real" CFI and not a LSA CFI. :)

Bob Moore

[Danny[_2_]]

On Aug 22, 2:54*pm, Robert Moore > wrote:
> Danny > wrote
>
> > but I think there is an provision that training towards LSA pilot
> > level, can be use later to go for a private level certificate.
>
> YES...but only if given by a "real" CFI and not a LSA CFI. *:)
>
> Bob Moore

Can you give the reference in Part 61 on this? I just asked a DE and
he told me differently. But, I think you are right. Instruction
given by a sport instructor I don't think can be logged as dual for a
private certificate. But does this mean a sport pilot that wants to
upgrade to private has to repeat all of his dual time.

I did find out that if I am LSA airplane single engine sea instructor,
I can give instruction to a private pilot, but I can not endorse their
log book to take the check ride for a private single engine land
addon. This is not a huge problem, because there is no requirement to
log dual time for a single engine sea add on to a certificate. I can
train them until they can do the job, then take a single ride with a
CFI with single engine sea class, then take the check ride.

If a private pilot with two classes (say single engine land and single
engine sea) gets a commercial, does he get it for only one of the two
classes. I don't think so. Maybe his certificate will say private
single engine sea and commercial single engine land if the check ride
is in a land air plane. How about multi-engine? Do you have to take
a separate check ride to become a commercial pilot in both classes if
you are a private pilot in both single engine land and multi-engine
land? I know a lot of people get commercial single engine land and
mult-engine land. This process should be well understood. Single
engine sea is a class add on just like muli-engine land is a class add
on. The process should be the same.

Danny

[Robert Moore]

Danny > wrote
> Can you give the reference in Part 61 on this? I just asked a DE and
> he told me differently. But, I think you are right.

Not a reference in Part 61, but a letter from the FAA in answer to
a question.

http://www.121five.com/admin/FeatureArticles/FAA_SP_onesheet.pdf

Probably answers most of your questions.

Bob Moore
PanAm (retired)
ATP ASMEL CFII

[vaughn[_2_]]

"Danny" > wrote in message
...
>... I think you are right. Instruction
>given by a sport instructor I don't think can be logged as dual for a
>private certificate. But does this mean a sport pilot that wants to
>upgrade to private has to repeat all of his dual time.

That can't be right. If that were true, unless you were 100% certain
that you would never progress beyond Sport Pilot, why would anyone take any
instruction from any Sport Pilot Instructor?

Vaughn

[Danny[_2_]]

On Aug 22, 6:05*pm, "vaughn" >
wrote:
> "Danny" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >... I think you are right. *Instruction
> >given by a sport instructor I don't think can be logged as dual for a
> >private certificate. *But does this mean a sport pilot that wants to
> >upgrade to private has to repeat all of his dual time.
>
> * * That can't be right. *If that were true, unless you were 100% certain
> that you would never progress beyond Sport Pilot, why would anyone take any
> instruction from any Sport Pilot Instructor?
>
> Vaughn

I read the letter on the link. It pretty clearly says if you get dual
from an sport pilot instructor, this dual does not count toward a
private. The solo time counts, but not the dual time. What you could
and probably should to is to make sure your instructor that is giving
you dual toward your light sport is a real CFI. This would not be
hard to do in the airplane single engine land category and class. I
think most instructors in this category and class are CFIs.

Now I wonder if a current medical is required to get a class add on to
a private certificate. Anybody know? It doesn't say current medical
required in the class add on regs -- at least I didn't see it.

Danny Deger