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Dan Marotta
August 29th 14, 05:16 PM
I can't find my copy of the CAI-302 utility program.  The link at 
Cumulus Soaring is dead.  Can anyone provide a working link or upload 
the program to the web for me to download?
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Dan Marotta
Dan Marotta
August 29th 14, 05:24 PM
Never mind.  I found it elsewhere at Cumulus.
Dan Marotta
On 8/29/2014 9:16 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
> I can't find my copy of the CAI-302 utility program.  The link at 
> Cumulus Soaring is dead.  Can anyone provide a working link or upload 
> the program to the web for me to download?
>
>
> -- 
> Dan Marotta
Luke Szczepaniak
August 29th 14, 05:25 PM
http://silentflight.ca/apps/300UtilityPC256.exe
that's the PC based one
Luke
On 08/29/2014 11:16 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
> I can't find my copy of the CAI-302 utility program.  The link at
> Cumulus Soaring is dead.  Can anyone provide a working link or upload
> the program to the web for me to download?
>
>
> --
> Dan Marotta
>
Paul Remde
August 30th 14, 01:06 AM
Hi Dan,
Which link on my site is not working?
The 300 Utility files are available here:
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/cai_downloads.htm
Best Regards,
Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
"Dan Marotta" > wrote in message ...
I can't find my copy of the CAI-302 utility program.  The link at Cumulus Soaring is dead.  Can anyone provide a working link or upload the program to the web for me to download?
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Dan Marotta
Dan Marotta
August 30th 14, 03:59 AM
Hi Paul,
This is the dead link: http://www.cambridge-aero.com/300series.htm
I found it on this page of your site: 
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/cai_302.htm
As I said, I found the utility for download on this page: 
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/cai_downloads.htm
Thanks for having it there.  I'd lost my copy during a computer crash.
Dan Marotta
On 8/29/2014 5:06 PM, Paul Remde wrote:
> Hi Dan,
> Which link on my site is not working?
> The 300 Utility files are available here:
> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/cai_downloads.htm
> Best Regards,
> Paul Remde
> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
> "Dan Marotta" > wrote in message 
> ...
> I can't find my copy of the CAI-302 utility program.  The link at 
> Cumulus Soaring is dead.  Can anyone provide a working link or upload 
> the program to the web for me to download?
>
>
> -- 
> Dan Marotta
Bob Caldwell (BC)
September 4th 14, 05:13 PM
On Friday, August 29, 2014 9:16:51 AM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:
> I can't find my copy of the CAI-302 utility program.* The link at
>     Cumulus Soaring is dead.* Can anyone provide a working link or
>     upload the program to the web for me to download?
> 
>     
> 
>     
> 
>     -- 
> Dan Marotta
Has anyone figured out how to run CAI Utilities from Oudie??
Nick Kennedy
September 4th 14, 05:57 PM
>
>Has anyone figured out how to run CAI Utilities from Oudie??
I contacted Naviter earlier this summer asking about being able to load and
run the CAI Utilities on the Oudie.
They did respond with a process to do so, but I failed to get it to work.
My IT guy Richard at Craggy Aero also tried and was unsuccessful.
They update the Oudie software quite often.
I think if all us 302 / Oudie users sent them a email asking them to add
the option of  loading the CAI Utility, or just have them do it,
maybe we could get this on our Oudies.  It is quite handy to have; right
now I have to connect a near dead ipaq to get the full CAI Utility
function, Which means disconnecting and reconnecting cables, APITA.
I'm going to send them a request this morning on this issue, maybe if
everyone else who is interested in the this did too we could get
somewhere.
On the Naviter webpage header there is a Contact Us 
Scroll down there and you can send them a email quite easily and my
experience is they do respond in a timely fashion unless they are at a
contest or convention.
>
September 4th 14, 10:23 PM
Nick,
Per your suggestion, I just sent a request to learn how to put the CAI Utility file (PC or IPAQ) onto the Oudie, if possible.
Raul Boerner
DM
MNLou
September 5th 14, 01:52 PM
Gents - 
A simple solution is to buy a serial converter cable from Cumulus Soaring.  You take your laptop to the glider, hook it up, run the CAI Utility program, input all your information, and you are done.  
You can easily upload waypoint files and tasks from the Oudie.
Lou
Muttley
September 5th 14, 01:54 PM
On Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:23:39 PM UTC+1,  wrote:
> Nick,
> 
> 
> 
> Per your suggestion, I just sent a request to learn how to put the CAI Utility file (PC or IPAQ) onto the Oudie, if possible.
> 
> 
> 
> Raul Boerner
> 
> DM
Can you not use the ConnectMe utility already installed on the Oudie, it is supposedly compatible with the Cambridge 302??
Mottley
Paul Remde
September 5th 14, 02:12 PM
Hi,
The ConnectMe program works great for uploading task declarations to the 302 
and downloading secure flight logs from the 302.  However, it can't be used 
to edit 302 settings or to load the pilot name.  The 302 utility must be 
used for those items.  Fortunately, those settings only need to be setup 
once.  You can download versions for PC and PDA (not Oudie) here:
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/cai_downloads.htm
Best Regards,
Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
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"Muttley"  wrote in message 
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On Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:23:39 PM UTC+1,  wrote:
> Nick,
>
>
>
> Per your suggestion, I just sent a request to learn how to put the CAI 
> Utility file (PC or IPAQ) onto the Oudie, if possible.
>
>
>
> Raul Boerner
>
> DM
Can you not use the ConnectMe utility already installed on the Oudie, it is 
supposedly compatible with the Cambridge 302??
Mottley
September 5th 14, 03:00 PM
I am another person who would really like the Oudie to talk to the 302 so that settings like Ballast, Bugs, Polar (two different wings for my aircraft) could be set via the Oudie.  
Is the problem that the Oudie people just don't want to install the software or is there a basic computer language problem with the systems?
Dan Marotta
September 5th 14, 04:58 PM
I use a Dell Streak 5 running XCSoar which communicates with my 302 via 
Bluetooth (K6BT that I got from Cumulus).  It allows me to set MC, bugs, 
ballast, polar, pilot name, etc., and receives GPS data, wind, speed, 
etc. from the 302.  I know at least one person who runs XCSoar on his 
Oudie so perhaps that would be a way to achieve your goal.  XCSoar is 
FREE, so all you have to do is download and install it and you're ready 
to give it a try.  You can also download a PC version of the program to 
learn and practice with.
I started this thread a while back because I'd lost my copy of the 302 
utility.  I got it from Paul's site and, one of these days, I'll carry 
my laptop to the airport and see if I have my name in the 302.  I 
probably did it with the Ipaq when I bought the glider.
BTW, when I've flown other gliders, it's been simple to select another 
polar from the list provided by the XCSoar executable.
Dan Marotta
On 9/5/2014 7:00 AM,  wrote:
> I am another person who would really like the Oudie to talk to the 302 so that settings like Ballast, Bugs, Polar (two different wings for my aircraft) could be set via the Oudie.
> Is the problem that the Oudie people just don't want to install the software or is there a basic computer language problem with the systems?
September 5th 14, 11:37 PM
I found this 23 February,2011 post by Andrej. However, there were other responses indicating freeze problems using these solutions. 
Re: Cambridge 302 Compatibility?
There are two ways to use the CAI utility on Oudie:
1. Save it to the root of the microSD card and rename it to UpdateOudie.exe. Before you use Oudie for inflight navigation you will have to remove the card otherwise it will keep running the utility.
2. Overwrite the ConnectMe.exe in 2577 folder with the utility file. That will remove ConnectMe from your Oudie and the ConnectMe button will start the utility. You can get the ConnectMe back by reinstalling the firmware.
Nick Kennedy
September 6th 14, 04:21 PM
Lou
with all due respect, bringing my laptop to the airport, purchasing a converter cable, disconnecting my Oudie cable from my 302, connected this new cable, disconnecting the new cable and them rehooking up my Oudie cable does not sound simple to me.  This is my point of my first post.  We Should be able to bypass all of the above.
Simple to me is to have Naviter put the CAI Utility on the Oudie and then open the program with the touch of your finger and do your thing.
All you 302 + Oudie fans please shoot a email to Naviter and ask them to give use the option of loading the CAI Utility during the next update, I would hazard a guess it would be quite simple for them to do so and would be another great benefit of owning a Oudie.
Paul Remde
September 8th 14, 01:39 AM
Hi Nick,
Unfortunately, the problem is not a Naviter problem - it is a Cambridge 
problem.  The Cambridge 300 Utility can be copied to an Oudie, but it 
doesn't seem to run well on an Oudie.  It must be compiled for a processor 
which is not compatible with the Oudie.  Naviter doesn't have the original 
Cambridge 300 Utility code - so they can't fix the problem.  Cambridge is no 
longer around, so they can't fix it either.  ClearNav probably doesn't have 
the code.  Even if they did - they wouldn't be motivated to work on it.
Theoretically, Naviter could create screens in SeeYou Mobile which would 
make it possible to edit the pilot name and polar data and logging interval 
in the 302 (as is done with the LX1600).  However, I doubt they would be 
motivated to do that since 302 units are not as popular in Europe and are 
being replaced with newer products (like the LXNAV V7) quite rapidly which 
work great with SeeYou Mobile.  If you are doing to lobby Naviter - lobby 
that they add 302 support (pilot name, polar and logging interval settings) 
to SeeYou Mobile.  But I wouldn't expect much.  Naviter would rather work on 
new features which would apply to a larger population of SeeYou Mobile 
users.
Best Regards,
Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
"Nick Kennedy"  wrote in message 
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Lou
with all due respect, bringing my laptop to the airport, purchasing a 
converter cable, disconnecting my Oudie cable from my 302, connected this 
new cable, disconnecting the new cable and them rehooking up my Oudie cable 
does not sound simple to me.  This is my point of my first post.  We Should 
be able to bypass all of the above.
Simple to me is to have Naviter put the CAI Utility on the Oudie and then 
open the program with the touch of your finger and do your thing.
All you 302 + Oudie fans please shoot a email to Naviter and ask them to 
give use the option of loading the CAI Utility during the next update, I 
would hazard a guess it would be quite simple for them to do so and would be 
another great benefit of owning a Oudie.
GC[_2_]
September 8th 14, 04:37 AM
On 7/09/2014 00:21, Nick Kennedy wrote:
> Lou with all due respect, bringing my laptop to the airport,
> purchasing a converter cable, disconnecting my Oudie cable from my
> 302, connected this new cable, disconnecting the new cable and them
> rehooking up my Oudie cable does not sound simple to me.  This is my
> point of my first post.  We Should be able to bypass all of the
> above. Simple to me is to have Naviter put the CAI Utility on the
> Oudie and then open the program with the touch of your finger and do
> your thing.
I love self-absorption.  It's such a pleasure to watch.
Let me see: using a laptop on the field which you probably already had 
in your car to use in the clubhouse and hooking and unhooking a cable is 
much more difficult and stressful than re-writing parts of a large 
application - including its tricky communication protocols, testing the 
re-writes, re-writing to fix the faults, re-testing, etc and then 
promulgating the result to hundreds of owners around the world - of whom 
ONLY 10 GIVE A DAMN!
....and ALL of that 10 already own the program and wouldn't pay a penny 
for the revision!
Now I'm as prospective an Oudie owner as any of the thousands of r.a.s. 
readers who also don't own one.  Will easier 302 compatibility make me 
rush out and buy one? No.  Will any price rise due to increased software 
maintenance overheads make the Oudie a more attractive purchase to me 
and thousands of other non-owners?  No also.
GC
 >
 > All you 302 + Oudie fans please shoot a email to Naviter and ask them
 > to give use the option of loading the CAI Utility during the next
 > update, I would hazard a guess it would be quite simple for them to
 > do so and would be another great benefit of owning a Oudie.
Muttley
September 8th 14, 12:24 PM
Plenty of old Ipaq's around where the CAI Utility works well on a cable connection. No need for Laptops.
Muttley
Martin Gregorie[_5_]
September 8th 14, 01:41 PM
On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 03:24:55 -0700, Muttley wrote:
> Plenty of old Ipaq's around where the CAI Utility works well on a cable
> connection. No need for Laptops.
>
It should be trivial for anybody with a soldering iron to make up a T-
cable (possibly with a switch in it) by combining the new cable and an 
Oudie-compatible cable. 
 
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martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |
Nick Kennedy
September 8th 14, 02:33 PM
Hi Paul
Thank you for response and the clear explanation why the CAI Utility is not compatible with the Oudie.
I know very little about software code and operating systems. The CAI utility, to me anyway, seemed to be a very simple program and I thought it would be easy to just Copy and Paste it into a Oudie. Obviously this is not the case.
Cheers
Nick Kennedy
JS
September 8th 14, 07:02 PM
Was saving these for glider use, but have stopped using consumer stuff hanging off the panel. I'm about to throw away two functional Dell C610/640 laptops with serial ports. They were going to the dump today, but I'll hold a couple of days.
This stuff is so old that one of these was replaced by a Macbook Pro which was replaced by a Dell Latitude, now replaced by a Dell XPS.
Free to a good home, pick up in Tehachapi, CA, USA.
Jim
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