http://www.aviationbanter.com (rec.aviation.soaring) All aspects of sailplanes and hang-gliders including equipment, maintenance, instruments, safety, training, soaring sites, current events, FAI badge rules and class definitions, meteorology, history, homebuilts, vintage sailpla en Sat, 25 May 2013 18:14:26 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.aviationbanter.com/images/002/misc/rss.jpg http://www.aviationbanter.com http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168321&goto=newpost Fri, 24 May 2013 19:28:37 GMT > Finish Cylinder 10.9.2.1 A task shall include a Finish Point not more than 2 miles from the home field and a Finish Radius not greater than 2 miles. 10.9.2.2 ‡ Minimum Finish Height 10.9.2.2.1 ‡ Each task shall include a Minimum Finish...]]> Now, this is the current rule, please read it:

10.9.2 >> Finish Cylinder
10.9.2.1 A task shall include a Finish Point not more than 2 miles from the home field and a Finish Radius not greater than 2 miles.

10.9.2.2 ‡ Minimum Finish Height
10.9.2.2.1 ‡ Each task shall include a Minimum Finish Height (MFH), set by the CD at least high enough that pilots who obtain
a valid finish can return to the home airfield for a normal pattern and landing.


The rules committee and the SSA BOD has established this as a RULE. It now requires the CD to set "AT LEAST HIGH ENOUGH" that .......for a ""NORMAL PATTERN"" and landing.

Sean Fiddler F2, or anyone else, after reading the above, is this a RULE as it reads or is it meant to be guidance as John C. says it is? It sure doesn't say guidance anywhere as I read it, but its a requirement!

Tom Kelley #711.
]]> Soaring Tom Kelley #711 http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168321 http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168320&goto=newpost Fri, 24 May 2013 18:44:33 GMT If you are running firmware v3.0 you can now activate the IGC approved Engine Noise Level Sensor (ENL) required for motor gliders through our webpage: http://powerflarm.us/pricing/ Activation is through license file; no need to send the unit in. Cost is $100, this is an introductory price, only... If you are running firmware v3.0 you can now activate the IGC approved Engine Noise Level Sensor (ENL) required for motor gliders through our webpage:
http://powerflarm.us/pricing/
Activation is through license file; no need to send the unit in.
Cost is $100, this is an introductory price, only valid until June 30 2013.

Enjoy
FLARM
]]> Soaring FLARM http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168320 http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168317&goto=newpost Fri, 24 May 2013 17:00:27 GMT What ever happened to Tor Jensen and Advanced Soaring Concepts? What ever happened to Tor Jensen and Advanced Soaring Concepts?
]]> Soaring jbentley@metroaviation.com http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168317 http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168316&goto=newpost Fri, 24 May 2013 14:04:27 GMT Man, what a pain in the ass at Mifflin. Returning on the back side of Jacks with weak ridge and no thermals, you leave the ridge at 1900-2000 because you *cannot* get higher and fly through a ton of sink (netto 4 - 6 kts down is common). The closest point of the ridge to the edge of the finish... Man, what a pain in the ass at Mifflin.

Returning on the back side of Jacks with weak ridge and no thermals, you leave the ridge at 1900-2000 because you *cannot* get higher and fly through a ton of sink (netto 4 - 6 kts down is common). The closest point of the ridge to the edge of the finish cylinder is 1.6 SM and the 700' agl finish is 1520. You'd probably prefer to cut the corner if energy allows, but that makes the distance more like 3 miles. Twice I was hanging on my flaps at 42 kts at what I guessed to be the edge of the cylinder (when the gps says 1.0 mile, you've generally finished several seconds earlier). Eyes on the panel, about 1530 feet, right in the GA traffic pattern (amazing how many GA pilots don't read Notams and show up at closed airports!). This is safer than an eyes out finish at lower altitude? I don't think so. I fly a '20.. What's a Libelle pilot supposed to do in that situation? We never found out because none of the low performance guys had to try to make this work.

I don't have a problem with penalizing actual unsafe flying. However, we're now erring on the side of penalizing (severely) *potentially* unsafe flying. Two guys I know of (there may have been others) drew no speed points after hitting the cylinder below 1320 agl. In both cases the airport arrivals were reasonable energy and safe.

Evan Ludeman / T8
]]> Soaring http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168316 http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168309&goto=newpost Fri, 24 May 2013 12:08:59 GMT I flew the Sports Class Nats with Powerflarm Brick (v 3.0), Butterfly 57mm display (v 3.1).

My experience last season was that flarm was a bit of a nuisance: in large gaggles the darned thing made more noise than my audio vario. As well, I found the "radar" tracking feature a useless distraction. So I thought I would fly a contest with Stealth mode enabled by default as well as Competition mode (higher alarm thresholds, enabled using the cflags command in the configuration file, see the dataport specification for details).

It all worked as intended. Warning threshold is "just right" for competition use and overall distraction level is happily low.

The fraction of pilots at this contest using Flarm was happily high. I heard "Thanks Flarm!" and similar on the radio many times.

Evan Ludeman / T8
]]> Soaring http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168309 http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168306&goto=newpost Fri, 24 May 2013 06:18:25 GMT I thought that a vario needed to use the 3-D inertial sensor to sort out the horizontal and vertical >components of "gusts", and I thought that nobody was doing that just yet. Or does the inertial sensor...]]> I put this into a new topic in order not to SPAM other topics where this question came up.

> I thought that a vario needed to use the 3-D inertial sensor to sort out the horizontal and vertical >components of "gusts", and I thought that nobody was doing that just yet. Or does the inertial sensor >just make the filtering better?

Well, actually a vario is an energy difference indicator. Many people (at least here in europe) want to know if total energy changes, even if the energy addition is due to a gust rather than thermal updraft. The vario needle in Butterfly Vario remains the "energy difference indicator" just as you are used to (inertial sensors are used here to e.g. acceleration induced errors etc..)

We have another indicator (blue round indicator) that indicates vertical airmass movement (kind of a that what was called netto vario in the past, but determined differently). The vertical airmass indicator is based on the inertial reference system and therefore will not show horizontal gust-induced energy changes (this can be mixed with conventional netto and tuned by many factors taking installation etc. into account).

This way you get both. Precise energy difference indication and indication of vertical airmass. Both indicators together give you a good situational overview. You know where the energy change comes from. Knowing if its worth slowing down to thermal or if the energy addition you just experienced is due to a gust is a very cool thing, especially when flying heavy gliders.
]]> Soaring Marc - Butterfly Avionics http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168306 http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168305&goto=newpost Fri, 24 May 2013 02:59:20 GMT What size radius is used for a badge or record turn point and start cylinder? 1 mile is used for contest turn point. Thanks Glen What size radius is used for a badge or record turn point and start
cylinder? 1 mile is used for contest turn point.
Thanks
Glen
]]> Soaring glen http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168305 http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168304&goto=newpost Thu, 23 May 2013 17:04:47 GMT the Examiner is at it, again, this time reprinted in Co. Springs Gazette.

http://gazette.com/faa-should-adopt-...rticle/1501137

Especially liked the "lighter than air glider" bit. I'd have liked to be lighter than air a couple of times last week....

T8
]]> Soaring http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168304 http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168297&goto=newpost Thu, 23 May 2013 02:16:05 GMT Under current FAR 61.58, paragraph (f) states:

" (f) This section will not apply to a pilot authorized by the Administrator to serve as pilot in command in experimental turbojet- powered aircraft that possesses, by original design, a single seat, when operating such single-seat aircraft."

Questions:

Is it correct to assume the 304SJ and the JS1-CJT are imported as experimental sailplanes?

FAA Admininstrator would be FSBO? What would be criteria for district FSBO to "authorize" pilot?

]]> Soaring beensoaring@gmail.com http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168297 http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168296&goto=newpost Thu, 23 May 2013 01:46:55 GMT Calling Bob Carlton

How about an update on operating your BonusJet and your effort to receive a waiver regarding FAA part 61.58 (after October 31, 2012).

Bob's origional thread: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fro...s/_lyjMTNA25gJ

Ben
]]> Soaring beensoaring@gmail.com http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168296 http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168295&goto=newpost Thu, 23 May 2013 01:40:26 GMT Calling Bob Carlton

How about an update on your effort to receive a waiver regarding FAA part 61.58 (after October 31, 2012) and operating your BonusJet.

Bob's origional thread: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fro...s/_lyjMTNA25gJ

Ben
]]> Soaring beensoaring@gmail.com http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168295 http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168293&goto=newpost Wed, 22 May 2013 23:25:21 GMT http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=INIuSXFFPRk
]]> Soaring rlake34@cox.net http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168293 http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168292&goto=newpost Wed, 22 May 2013 21:50:54 GMT The Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI) has accepted the bid of the National Aeronautic Association and the Soaring Society of America to hold a Continental Gliding Championships in the United States in 2014. The Championships will take place at the Chilhowee Gliderport in eastern... The Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI) has accepted the bid
of the National Aeronautic Association and the Soaring Society of
America to hold a Continental Gliding Championships in the United
States in 2014.

The Championships will take place at the Chilhowee Gliderport in
eastern Tennessee in late August, 2014. The competition will be held
in a single class, the International Club Class.

While FAI Continental Gliding Championships have taken place in Europe
and South America, this will be the first Continental Championships to
which pilots from both North and South America will be invited.

The details of pilot entry requirements and Local Procedures will be
available in due course.

For further information, contact Sarah Arnold

FAI, founded in 1905, is the World Air Sports Federation. It is an
international organization with the basic aim of furthering
aeronautical and astronautical activities worldwide, ratifying world
and continental records and coordinating the organization of
international competitions. For further information about FAI, go to
http://www.fai.org.
]]> Soaring http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168292 http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168291&goto=newpost Wed, 22 May 2013 20:06:13 GMT Following suggestions in Soaring, I am trying to use the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro joystick with Condor 1.1.5 and Win 7. The control of sensitivity is not sufficient for success with the Flight Training turning exercise. Is there a Logitech driver needed, or is there a way of setting Condor Inputs... Following suggestions in Soaring, I am trying to use the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro joystick with Condor 1.1.5 and Win 7. The control of sensitivity is not sufficient for success with the Flight Training turning exercise.

Is there a Logitech driver needed, or is there a way of setting Condor Inputs to allow for a usable scenario?

Is the older sidewinder preferable from a fine control standpoint?

Thanks for any advice.

rkh986
]]> Soaring rkh986 http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168291 http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168290&goto=newpost Wed, 22 May 2013 19:13:13 GMT Updates to work well with PowerFLARM 3.00 and other goodies.
http://www.nadler.com/sn10/SN10_Resource_Index.html

Enjoy,
Best Regards, Dave "YO electric"
]]> Soaring Dave Nadler http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?t=168290