On 31 Jan 2005 14:25:31 GMT, (Pechs1) wrote:

This article from the Air Force Safety Center BRBR

Sounds like USAF type stuff. Like g-loc as well. We flew F-16s just like the
USAF did and I never heard of a gloc instance of all the USN pilots...a little
training and how to apply g's goes a long way. Of course the guys that flew the
F-16N were all fleet experienced aviators...
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Dunno what made you guys so strong. USAF aviators have all this blood
flow to the brain (that's why we're too smart to try to land on
boats!)

Seriously, there are plenty of HUD tapes of F-16 two-seaters in which
either the IP or student goes to sleep and after several queries the
other crewmember recovers the jet. Most insidious aspect is that for
20-30 seconds AFTER g-loc, the victim still may not realize it
occurred!

Even the humble T-37 had the ability, under the right conditions to
put someone to sleep. I recall one student I had in my early IP days
who was actually a very good stick. Nonetheless, one sortie I gave him
a "runaway trim" exercise in which I ran full aileron trim in while he
was in control. He saw my hand on the trim button and assumed I had
control although we had not gone through the "I got it/you got it"
exchange.

The Tweet started a series of aileron rolls, each with the nose
dropping further until we were wound up quite tightly. When I took the
airplane and started the pull-out I wound up hauling ten Gs (pegged
the G-meter!) I watched him sitting next to me fight to keep his head
up and then finally slump totally in the seat--unconscious. This was
well before the days of F-16s and G-loc, but there was no doubt it was
way beyond simple loss of vision--i.e. blackout.

And, before you say it--yes, I screwed up by letting it go that far.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org