Kage,

I guess it is you who is lazy. Too lazy to read the topic or think about it
straight. The majority will understand the concept of a clean wing and Vx.
But I do hope you understand the difference between the concepts of Vx and
Short Field Take Off, as they most certainly are not the same!

TMG

"kage" wrote in message
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"Dave Butler" wrote in message
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kage wrote:
"Newps" wrote in message

I don't see what is difficult to understand.
Vx is defined as best angle of climb. Do you have a hard time
understanding
that concept?


The Cessna's and Piper's discussed here have POH's. The older ones have
owners manuals. In each of these documents Vx is listed. It is always
listed
as a clean wing speed. Do you have difficulty with "clean wing?"

Thus, anytime you lower flaps, climb angle is reduced. I know you don't
want
to believe that, and you are just playing dumb. Are you too lazy to just
look in your POH?

Karl