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Old August 13th 03, 03:51 PM
David
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Steven,

Thanks a lot for your reference which does differ from mine in some
respects although the basics are the same. My reference is Aviation
Disasters by David Gero.

In article . net,
Steven P. McNicoll writes

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Does your reference refer to a clearance to land?


"A midair collision took place over Staten Island at 5,000 ft. The Connie
was cleared to land at La Guardia Airport on Runway 04 when the United DC-8
struck the Connie tearing it apart. The Connie immediately crashed to the
ground at Miller Army Air Field on Staten Island. One passenger was sucked
out into one of the DC8s jet engines. Other passengers fell from the Connie
as the spinning fuselage fell onto Staten Island. The United jet tried to
make an emergency landing at La Guardia Airport but could not maintain
altitude and crashed into the streets of Brooklyn. Forty-four passengers on
the Constellation and eight-four passengers on the DC-8 were killed. Three
passengers from the DC-8 died shortly after. One young boy, Stephen Baltz
survived several days before succumbing to his injuries. Six people were
also killed on the ground. The United crew entered a low-altitude holding
pattern at 500 miles per hour, twice the speed it should have been going and
flew past the clearance limits and airspace allocated to the flight. One of
2 VORs on the DC-8 was not functioning. Although the crew knew this, they
failed to report this to the ATC, who probably would have provided extra
radar assistance."


My reference says the DC8 was approaching at a ground speed of 380mph
(about 410 mph true at 5,000 ft ignoring wind effects). The above also
seems inconsistent, because if the aircraft entered a holding pattern it
should not have overshot its clearance to the Preston Intersection by 10
miles. The chart included with my reference shows no signs that the DC8
diverted from its flight path in the last few minutes, after being
allowed to 'cut the corner' towards Preston.

Is your reference from a newspaper report? To me, it has a few signs
that it might be.

My reference suggests to me that any attempt to land by the DC8 was
unlikely, as it had lost its no. 4 power plant and the wing outboard
of that in the impact.

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/1960/1960-51.htm

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What is the aviation definition of 'enroute' by the way?
Is it the same as 'en route'?

[Snip]

En route procedures come after departure procedures and before arrival
procedures.

http://www1.faa.gov/atpubs/AIM/chap5toc.htm

A useful reference - thank you.

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