Newps wrote in message news:5Nvnb.50619$e01.125474@attbi_s02...
Snowbird wrote:
I can tell the difference between someone who is in over their head
and someone who isn't. It is obvious on the radio, just like you heard
with that other aircraft.

Well, I guess my point is, it was obvious to one controller

Yep, the one not being trained.

I don't think any of the controllers working Greg Travis
were trainees.

Clearly even experienced ATCS are not infalliable in their
abilities to tell whether or not a pilot is really in trouble.

Seems like cause for a bit of "benefit of the doubt" in the air,
to me.

There are other factors too.

Maybe. I think it boils down to this: you believe you can
always tell what's really going on in the cockpit when you're
sitting in a chair behind a mic, so you get to make judgements
and "treat (pilots) like the idiots they are".

I think everyone is falliable, *particularly* when they're
sitting in a chair on the ground and not up in the furball,
so it's better not to treat anyone like an idiot. Even if
they really are.

Not for the first time, we disagree.

Cheers,
Sydney