(Teacherjh) wrote:

Nope. TopDog is not loggable. Only HOT is loggable. If you're Top Dog (and
the situation is right) you log HOT, not Top Dog.

OK, I'll buy your definitions and your point, but then
you're logging hands on time when you're not hands on. I
was making the point that there are situations where you log
time because you're top dog

I also think you meant "left" the second time you said "right".

Yep :-)


you are mixing up PIC with TopDog and HOT. The point of doing TopDog and
HOT is to get away from the "PIC" word and express the same idea in a less
ambiguous context.

I took Top Dog to be "acting (or serving) as PIC" and HOT to
be "loggable time for a rating under 61.51." Which are more
commonly used terms. Did I misunderstand you?

If the left seat person is not a pilot, OR isn't Top Dog, then the right seat
person has to be Top Dog. (that is, assuming there are only two dogs involved

Agreed. I can also say "If the left seat person is not a
pilot, AND isn't Top Dog" if I want to, although I agree
that the first implies the second. I was just covering a
lot of situations in one logical expression.

But Top Dog doesn't get logged. Only HOT gets logged. Sometimes the Top
Dog can log HOT.

But my point is that there is only one situation I'm aware
of where you can log time legally solely because you ARE TOP
DOG even though that time does not appear under 61.51 (which
I equated to your "HOT" logging.) That time is where
there's only one pilot, he's acting as PIC (TOP DOG) and
he's not manipulating the controls, but a non-pilot is.
Take a look at 61.51 (e) (which I equated to HOT time) and
try to justify the Chief Counsel's Interpretation that
permits this logging. It isn't HOT time, but the CC says
it's loggable because it's TOP DOG time, thus I say you're
logging TOP DOG time in this one situation, and HOT time in
all the others.

There can only be one Top Dog. However, in some cases both can log HOT. In
some cases, nobody can log HOT (something I find bizzare, but then again, this
is the FAA). But nobody ever logs Top Dog.

Fine, if you want to separate the concepts of
authority/responsibility from the concept of making records,
then you're right. OTOH, if you are separating time that's
loggable under 61.51 from time that's not loggable under
61.51, but is loggable because you're TOP DOG, then my
comment makes sense.

Todd Pattist
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