Bill, as you no doubt remember, no flap approaches and landings were done at
6 AoA versus 7 AoA with flaps/slats. But the airspeeds for a no flapper
were typically about 40 knots faster than with flaps/slats. You'd try to
get down to about 20K lbs of fuel for a no flap landing which gave an
approach/landing speed of 184 KIAS for a 210K lb. airplane.

Cheers,

Jim

"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:fs0Rb.61523$zs4.18646@fed1read01...
ok Jim... lets do a no flap approach...

IIRC.. I believe the airspeed and proper AoA will now be around 210..
correct..

BT
B-1 GIB

"Jim Baker" wrote in message
...
Sorry, I thought it was clear I was speaking about AoA to fly final and
land
the Bone, as you said you use in the Harrier.


"Frijoles" wrote in message
ink.net...
Good job JB, you compute an airspeed for the Bone. And so your point
is...*what* about landing the Harrier?


"Jim Baker" wrote in message
news You're right Frijoles, in the Bone the correct answer for "What
airspeed
do
you fly on final" is "I don't know/care. I'm flying 7 AoA as
required
by
the Dash One". There is however, a chart of airspeed and gross
weights
that
every pilot has and, IAW the Landing Checklist, every final must
have
an
airspeed computed.

JB

"Frijoles" wrote in message
ink.net...
Nozzles aft, Harrier approach speed will be in the 155kt +/-range.
At
20
nozzles and auto flaps(normal for IFR final), you're somewhat
slower
but
to
be honest I don't recall the airspeed because my primary reference
was
always AoA. Depending on the type of landing you intend to make,
once
you're in the visual environment, you transition to a higher
nozzle
angle
(60-75 depending...), and in some instances, STOL flaps where the
flaps
program automatically as a function of nozzle angle. "On speed"
for
a
fixed-nozzle slow landing is around 110kts. The *very* slow
rolling
landings you occasionaly see are called rolling vertical
landings --
60
kts
ground speed is the target but the transition to that speed will
usually
be
over the runway, not on approach final.

"Darkwing Duck" wrote in message
...

"Tetsuji Rai" wrote in message
s.com...
Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you
have
been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit
slow
for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military
fighters
fly
in
the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft
fly
much
fast
among civilian planes.



So how fast is short final in a F-14 or whatever? Always wanted
to
know.