Bob Moore wrote in message .8...
"John Gaquin" wrote
I may be wrong, and hope I am, and I really don't want
to get into a debate about this, but that's the way
you come across to me.

I'm with you John.


A nice little toy to look at turn rates here


http://www.csgnetwork.com/aircraftturninfocalc.html
should keep the pundits smiling