I think it would be hard for people to predict how the FAA/FBI/Secret
Service would react to a TFR violation. I would think many other aspect come
into play. I was in the pattern at Farmingdale (FRG) which was also in the
TFR on Tuesday. The tower instructed me to "Stay on downwind [for runway
32]" which put me on a direct course for the southern part of the cut-out.
As we were getting closer to the TFR, I discussed it with my safety pilot
(who is a CFI and had been flying all day) and he said just keep going and
not to worry since we were in the pattern. Well, I played it safe and asked
the tower if they can "call my base" so at least it would be in record that
I was aware and concerned about the TFR.

On another related topic, I was listening all day to the FRG live ATC feed
on the web and was surprised at how many pilots called ATC for clearances
that would have violated the TFR. These were things like touch-n-gos,
downwind departures, and staright-ins that would have cut through the TFR.
We talking at least 2-3 requests per hour. After a while the tower just told
them to contact FSS for a "re-brief" and stopped giving them service. Man,
no wonder there are so many violations! Makes us all look bad...

Marco


"Joe Johnson" wrote in message
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Returning to HPN from the northwest last night, approach cleared me to the
Tappan Zee bridge, then to HPN as usual. I said "unable, the TZ bridge is
inside the TFR" and proposed a route to the Carmel VOR, then direct HPN,
which the controller accepted. This is the relevant part of
http://tfr.faa.gov/tfr/jsp/save_page...l_4_9872.html:

PART B. OUTER AREA, PROCEDURES FOR AIRCRAFT OPERATING WITHIN THE NY CLASS
B
TFR FROM 7 NMR TO THE CLASS B 20 NM BOUNDARY, FROM THE SURFACE, UP TO BUT
NOT INCLUDING FL180, ARE LISTED BELOW: 1. FIXED WING AIRCRAFT SHALL BE ON
AN
ACTIVE IFR OR VFR FLIGHT PLAN FILED WITH AN AFSS. 2. ALL AIRCRAFT SHALL
SQUAWK A DISCRETE TRANSPONDER CODE ASSIGNED BY ATC. ALL AIRCRAFT SHALL
SQUAWK THE DISCRETE TRANSPONDER CODE PRIOR TO DEPARTURE AND AT ALL TIMES
WITHIN THE TFR. IN THE EVENT OF A TRANSPONDER FAILURE, THE PILOT SHALL
ADVISE ATC AND ATC WILL PROVIDE THE MOST DIRECT COURSE TO OUTSIDE THE
LATERAL LIMITS OF THE TFR. 3. ALL AIRCRAFT MUST REMAIN IN TWO-WAY RADIO
COMMUNICATIONS WITH ATC. 4. FIXED WING OPERATIONS ARE LIMITED TO AIRCRAFT
ARRIVING OR DEPARTING LOCAL AIRFIELDS. AIRCRAFT MAY NOT LOITER.

The TZ bridge is within the outer area mentioned above. I had a
transponder
code (point 2 above) assigned by approach, but was not on an active flight
plan filed with and AFSS(point 1 above). Questions:

1. Is my interpretation that I was not authorized to fly to the bridge
correct, or is a transponder code assigned by ATC tantamount to a flight
plan?
2. If I had flown to the bridge and been intercepted, would it have been
an
adequate defense that approach ATC had cleared me to that location?