Easy to say "I'm not the problem, everybody else is" but in your previous
posts you demonstrated a lack of understanding of the whole energy issue.
Placing the blame on "Liberals and Enviornmentalists" is simply ignorant.
The problem is that WE are consuming fossil fuels at a rate 400 times
greater than they are being replaced. The current energy price increase is
a function of rapidly rising demand for a finite, non-renewable commodity at
the same time that production of that commodity is peaking. It is also
partly a function of the declining dollar which is loosing its status as the
worlds reserve currency (the price of oil denominated in gold has not risen
nearly as much as in dollars). Consider that, until recently, only a small
(well under 20%) of the world population used much energy. Now that other
80% is going to use much more (multiples of their prior use) as they
industrialize. There is no way that any solution based on drilling for more
oil is going to keep the price down where it has been over the past two
decades. On one hand we have a huge increase in the rate of growth in
demand and on the other, all the wells drilled over the past 100yrs are
declining. To keep prices where they have been (lets say under $40/bbl) oil
production need to at least double in the next 20yrs and probably quadruple.
That is not going to happen.

Rising prices will keep the supply/demand in balance by reducing demand and
increasing supply but the world is going to have to live with the higher
prices. We could have made things easier on ourselves but we didn't. We
could have built a society where people live closer to where they work, and
make more efficient use of energy for both transportation and
heating/cooling. This would have also forestalled the rise in energy prices
by significantly lowering demand. We chose not to do these things and so we
are where we are today. This is not a judgement just a fact.

The real issue is how should we react to the situation. Should we extract
and consume the remaining resources as fast as possible so that we can avoid
changing our habits for a few decades? Or should we achknowledge that price
of energy will rise so that new sources become economically and technically
viable? In the meantime we will react to the higher prices by becoming more
efficient.

Mike
MU-2

"kontiki" wrote in message
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Mike Rapoport wrote:

It has very little to do with liberals or conservatives. You seem to
believe that:
1) There is significant oil to be found in the US. This is not true.
There are considerable reserves sir. Not as much as in the middle east,
but
considerable and they are doing no one any good sitting in the ground.
2) It is the right of this generation to use all the natural resources on
the planet.
All generations do what they need to do, both giving and taking.
3) That all availible resources should be extracted to facilitate your
(and my) wasteful consumption.
Speak for yourself!!!! I DO NOT WASTE. Maybe YOU do, buty I don't and I
resent your insinuating that I do. get a life.




It is very expensive to add refining capacity. Consider that a refinery
takes at least a square mile of land on the coast at a major port. The
places that really need it (California) have very high real estate
prices. Current refining margins don't justify adding major capacity.
Why don't you invest in natural gas instead of complaining about the
price of energy? That is something YOU can do that will solve YOUR
problem.

So What??? its expensive to do ANYTHING in this world today. Flying is
expensive... that means we all should not do it? Thank you Mr. Negative.


They have always done this. Gasoline in MN needs to be different from
that in AZ.
and WHY? This is NOT necessary, it is pure politics and costs us all
money and wasted
time and overhead. Thank you again Mr. Negative.



This I agree with, it makes very little sense to burn precious petroleum
to produce electricity.. There was recently a new permit application
filed for a nuclear plant. Hopefullt there will be more.

Well... finally *something* Mr. Negative agrees with.
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Snip the rest because its alll the same BS....
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WE are the problem, not the "government", not the liberals, not the
conservatives, not the enviornmentalists, not the oil companies and not
the auto companies.
Maybe YOU are the problem sir, but *I* am not. Again, please speak for
yourself.
I am sorry that you have such an inferiority complex, but I am a net
producer
and contributor to this economy and I am *not* the problem.