Ed, no one answered your "ramp check" question.

If you are ever subject to a ramp check, you only need to "show" your pilot
certificate, and medical if required for power aircraft. Show means that,
show it to them, do not hand it to them. They can ask for but you do not
have to provide them with the aircraft records nor look in the airplane
other through the windows unless you let them. Offer to bring log books etc
to their office at a later date.

They cannot delay you. If you have just landed, you need to get things put
away because you have an appointment to get to. If you are preparing to
launch in the glider, your next in line and their interrupting the all
important DI, an you are loosing the best part of the day.

BT

"Ed Byars" wrote in message
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If I remember correctly (not too likely) the Manufacturer's Flight Manual
says something like " this manual must be keep in aircraft". Also upon
review I could find no specific Reg requiring aircraft log book to be in
aircraft. It is however, the first thing the Feds will request.
I know in power craft we never carry the paperwork/log briefcase in the
airplane. We even kid with friends making them promise to burn all the
records in case we crash.
Since the glider has no recording tach or Hobbs it's been a habit of mine
for decades to keep the log in the glider where I can keep it current
after
each flight.
I would like to check my op. limitations but they went with the glider.
Incidentally I used a small font, reducing Xerox, and both sides to
condense
the bulky multi page operating limitations to an almost illegible but a
neat
card or two for the cockpit. Same for most other paperwork.
It's interesting to speculate if the placards referring to cockpit weights
will suffice for the W&B requirement.
Also I've heard that we are required only to "show" the Paperwork, not
surrender it. Is this just for the license on a ramp check or for all
"paperwork"? I sure didn't have any choice when they removed everything
from
my glider in my absence. I feel sure they were within their rights.
Weren't
they?
Remember the FAA motto: We're not happy until you're not happy. I'm
kidding.........some of my best friends are with the FAA.


"Michael McNulty" wrote in message
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"Marc Ramsey" wrote in message
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Michael McNulty wrote:
I am not aware that the flight manual is required to be in the
aircraft.
I
believe that all of the information that I am required to have on
board
is
contained on my placards (which are complete, including the weight
and
balance limits). The placards are what my operating limitations
address,
and as the aircraft is not certified, there is no such thing as an
"approved
flight manual".

Check you operating limitations again. Every set I've had has
included
a clause that requires carrying the manufacturers flight manual, along
with the placards.

Marc

I just double checked.

My operating limitations do say that I must have "the placards,
markings,
etc. required by 91.9" , but there is not any specific reference to the
flight manual. Since my aircraft is experimental, an "approved flight
manual" does not exist, and I fully believe that my placards meet the
requirements of 91.9 for "approved manual material, markings, and
placards
or any combination thereof". Again, the relevant document is the
aircraft's
particular operating limitations. My operating limitations do require a
specific placard that states the weight and balance limits, Vne, and Va.
(My operating limitations were issued in October 2001, and I believe
that
they follow the FAA inspectors handbook guidelines very closely.)

I suppose I could carry a copy of the manual, but I think I'm on pretty
solid ground without it.