(Erik mann) wrote in message . com...
(John Cochrane) wrote in message . com...

However, as far as I can tell, you CAN call your first passage the
"finish" for scoring purposes if you're willing to take the land-out
risk. For example, if you try another turnpoint in a MAT but then turn
around and land home, or even if you make it but it gives you a slower
time overall, nothing stops you from calling the first passage a
"finish."


I agree with John' interpretation, and I think the way you accomplish
this is based on the contents of the landing card. Using the MAT
example for a second, if we have a task with: Start, Turn 1, Turn 2
assigned and assuming the pilot completes Turns 1 and 2, then the
options for the next CLAIMED point a

- Finish
- Turn 3

If the landing card says the pilot claims Finish (irrespective of
whether the trace shows he actually made Turn 3), then the scorer is
obligated to score the flight that way. As long as he was within the
limits of the Finish Cylinder, I see no reason why that isn't
legitimate. If the landing card says the pilot claims Turn 3, then
that's how it is scored. It's not unlike the old PST where you might
take a picture of a turnpoint as you went by it "just in case". You
might opt not to include it if you were going to exceed your 11
turnpoints, for example.

HOWEVER, rule 11.2.2.1 says that the landing card shall "accurately
reflect the flight that the pilot completed". As I recall, the intent
of that rule was to prevent someone from intentionally under-reporting
their flight in order to cancel out a day. That's certainly how I
would interpret this rule if I were on the Contest Competition
Committee (3.1.4).

As far as radio usage is concerned, the Appendix to the rules makes it
clear that the radio finish calls are for safety or nostalgia only
"Pilots and gate personnel should understand that the radio call... is
now mostly for show"

No?

P3

The start and finish are not required to be entered on the landing
card. Finishing is implied by checking the task complete box. Neither
the start, not the finish, are turnpoints although turnpoints may be
colocated with the start or finish. Your example of a completed
landing card does not seem to be valid.

In the case where a turnpoint falls inside the finish cylinder it is
perfectly legitimate to bag that turnpoint, then another, then return
to the finish. It is also true that a flight leg that happens to pass
through the finish cylinder does not force the pilot to abort the task
and land. No landing card claim need be associated with that event.

The radio call that "is for nostalgia" is the call of good finish by a
finish line ground observer. There have been cases where a good
finish call was given but the flight log shows no such valid finish
was made. It only applies to line finishes. The pilot call of
"finish" only applies to cylinder finishes.

Otherwise I think we are in agreement that there is no prohibition on
attempting another turnpoint after being inside the finish cylinder.
That's fortunate of course because often the start and finish are
colocated or overlap.

Andy