Judy Ruprecht wrote:
At 03:12 09 October 2004, Eric Greenwell wrote:

you should be able to have two declarations, one for
the
SSA and one for the FAI. I don't know if anyone has
tried this, but the
FAI badge rules and SSA State record rules don't prohibit
declarations
that aren't for their purposes.


Hmmmm. Don't bet the farm on it. State Record Rules
follow FAI Sporting Code requirements for World Records,
except as specifically amended for State Records. (State
Record Rules are online on the SSA web page, under
'Badges & Records' at the 'forms' link.)

They do include FAI rules by reference, but USA State Records are not
FAI records in any way, and the FAI has no control over them at all.


I don't see an excption on the one-to-a-customer/last-one-before-t
ake-off approach to declarations.

Perhaps it's about what a "declaration" is: if it's on paper, the FAI OO
has to sign it; if it's in the logger, the logger validates it, but the
FAI OO has to verify the logger is on board glider during the flight.
So, you can have a suitcase full of papers with all kinds of tasks on
them, but none qualify as declarations because they aren't signed by the
OO; similarly, you could carry several loggers, but if they aren't
verified as "on board" by the FAI OO, they are irrelevant. I don't know
of any restriction in the FAI rules on that suitcase full of tasks or
carrying more than one logger.

I think it's just a piece of paper until you point at it and say "that's
the declaration for my FAI badge flight attempt", and that's what it
becomes. If you point to another piece of paper and say "that's the
declaration for my Washington state record flight attempt", you aren't
making an FAI badge flight declaration.

I see no reason to prohibit concurrent declarations for things like
state records, club ladders, and so on. If the FAI rule about a single
declaration was intended to prohibit declarations for all non-FAI flight
purposes, they should explicitly state that, but as written, I think the
ban only applies to declarations for FAI purposes.

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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA