Andrew Gideon wrote:
wrote:


I have been cleared, as I said, many times, on departure, "direct
FUBAR intersection"


It's been a long time since I've flown /A or /U, but I don't happen to
recall being cleared this way.

No controller who knows what he's doing clears a /A or /U direct FUBAR
when FUBAR is outside the service volume of the navaid.



However, many IFR departures out of CDW get a clearance "180 vectors LANNA
v30...". I myself have received that while /A or /U. Yet, there's no way
to fly that if RADAR happens to go down.

No clearance with vectors is flyable or issuable without radar.