BTW I am not accusing ACSS of anything just saying that without proper
documentation and a quality system that undergoes continuous external audits
there are simply no guarantee's and the simple facts are that you cannot be
sure what you have.

I have bought a lot of stuff from ACSS and I have never received paper work
that would qualify the parts for use on a certificated airplane. You simply
get an invoice listing parts, quantity and price.

ACSS is cheap but you only get what you pay for. If you want more assurances
about what you have bought then go to Avial or other supplies for the
industry and pay the premium. ACSS are homebuilders selling to homebuilders
....

This is not a comment on the quality of service (In my experience always
good) ... just about tracability of aircraft parts.



"......... :-))" wrote in message
u...
The problem with ACSS is that they are amateurs selling to amateurs ....

If they were a real aircraft parts and materials supply company they would
supply the material with certificates of compliance providing tracability
to
the source. There would be no doubt about what they supplied.

My guess is that the metal had no mill stamps and hence was assumed to be
mild steel ... in fact it could well have been anything but I don't think
they knew whether of not it was 4130 or mild steel.

Few people in the real aircraft industry would deal with aircraft spruce.
What they are selling could well amount to bogus parts without the proper
documentation. Who knows where the stuff comes from or what it really is.


"Greybeard" wrote in message
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 13:54:28 GMT, wmbjk
wrote:

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:48:54 -0800, Jerry Springer
wrote:

jls wrote:
So don't just take it from me these are shady characters.

Now watch Jim pop up here. LOL
BTW I agree with everything you said.

I don't. ACS has been around too long to be the "shady characters"
that Latchless Larry would have us believe. Check the archives, he
makes a habit of dumping on vendors for perceived slights. But make
sure you have a comfortable chair, because last I looked under the two
names he uses here (Larry Smith and jls), the total was something like
40 thousand posts.

My chuckle, it would be interesting to know by what method they
determined that it was "cheap carbon steel" rather than 41XX or
anything else. The only way to know is laboratory analysis, and
there's only a .0001% chance that anyone has done that before posting
that they got something else. The chances of anyone being able to
tell from "the way it works" are zero, other bull**** explanations
stand for nothing. 4130,4140, 4150, and 1045 all work about the same
until they're hardened, then the differences show up, but you're not
going to do much with them after they're hardened. There are three
things you can tell from "the way it works",

"It's hard"

"It's tough"

"It's soft".

Period.

Greybeard